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+x+x+x3-1 in the end, Japan too good. I cant remember the last time we beat Japan at any level, no wonder we never learn and its only about more games either but the Japanese clearly do things differently over there and clear to see how they play their football is more smart and savvy. I recalled Japan important alot of coaches and players from Brazil when they first started the J-League, plenty to learn for the future. The last time was U17 Asian cup 2013 we beat them 3-1 in the quarter final and made the U17 world cup. Japan lost and didn't make it. 10 years is such a long time, and we are still trying to play long ball/second ball in the process whilst Japanese football has evolved. Playing more games just scratches the surface if our coaching hasn't evolved like our players. Frustrating. As we have seen at all levels, playing out the back and through an opposition's lines is more difficult if you have less games together. It takes a while to form combinations. Also most a league clubs keep the ball on the deck, a recent survey of leagues actually found us the least direct of all leagues But the a league also struggles for lack of games and we get found out in the ACL when trying to play out against an organized press On top of combinations, game time leads to game time. The top teams including Japan have a dozen games a year. Today had 900 completed passes and little time on the ball despite the oppressive heat. It was easily a league level. If you are playing a dozen a league level games at u17 that leads to more time in actual a league games which launches a virtuous cycle
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+x+xat the moment we have to top the group to qualify for the world cup because Japan are too difficult for us We could close the gap more with more games Japan had a training camp, a croatian tour and 2 local mini tournaments in the last 12 months for this age group. I believe this age group has just had a training camp in the last 12 months. So 1 quarter the preparation. If we can't afford 12 games of prep a year against other nations, maybe we can find a way to have 12 games locally. NPL all stars, lower a league level opposition....there has to be something we can do to better prepare these lads I didn't realise that re: preparation but the games had that feeling to them. We need to do better resourcing preparation and not leaving it to individual brilliance and hope. It's easy for me to criticise the coaching but if there isn't support to prepare the team properly its probably a difficult one to fairly judge. This cohort had much better preparation than previous generations, besides the training camps, they also played in the Antalya Youth Cup in February this year where they played the Czech Republic, Morocco and Uzbekistan (who drew with Japan last week). However, it is worth noting that their development has been impacted by lockdowns - particularly the Victorian lads.
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+x+x+x+x3-1 in the end, Japan too good. I cant remember the last time we beat Japan at any level, no wonder we never learn and its only about more games either but the Japanese clearly do things differently over there and clear to see how they play their football is more smart and savvy. I recalled Japan important alot of coaches and players from Brazil when they first started the J-League, plenty to learn for the future. The last time was U17 Asian cup 2013 we beat them 3-1 in the quarter final and made the U17 world cup. Japan lost and didn't make it. 10 years is such a long time, and we are still trying to play long ball/second ball in the process whilst Japanese football has evolved. Playing more games just scratches the surface if our coaching hasn't evolved like our players. Frustrating. As we have seen at all levels, playing out the back and through an opposition's lines is more difficult if you have less games together. It takes a while to form combinations. Also most a league clubs keep the ball on the deck, a recent survey of leagues actually found us the least direct of all leagues But the a league also struggles for lack of games and we get found out in the ACL when trying to play out against an organized press On top of combinations, game time leads to game time. The top teams including Japan have a dozen games a year. Today had 900 completed passes and little time on the ball despite the oppressive heat. It was easily a league level. If you are playing a dozen a league level games at u17 that leads to more time in actual a league games which launches a virtuous cycle Game time is crucial but I noticed how different the Japanese lads played compared to our lads, they always looked to show for the ball and play through the lines and there off the ball movement was alot better than our players where they just stood still. Also their combination play was alot better than ours, where we just relied on crosses for chances. I cant recall the last time we played a Japanese team at any level and outplayed them, the Japanese even under the tough conditions in the first half were great to watch. I would like us to improve our method of football because in the bigger picture that's more important than the result.
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The fact is that we were poor the entire tournament besides the first half against China.
We simply lack quality in defence (especially the fullbacks) and midfield (besides Di Pizio) and weren't helped by poor coaching, plus questionable selections / tactics from Brad Maloney - I'm sick of Football Australia hiring former Socceroos to be the coaches of our juniors, the last time we qualified for consecutive youth WCs was when Jan Versleijen was the U20's coach.
That being said, shame that Noa Skoko wasn't part of the squad as he would've made a massive difference!
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+x+x+x+x+x3-1 in the end, Japan too good. I cant remember the last time we beat Japan at any level, no wonder we never learn and its only about more games either but the Japanese clearly do things differently over there and clear to see how they play their football is more smart and savvy. I recalled Japan important alot of coaches and players from Brazil when they first started the J-League, plenty to learn for the future. The last time was U17 Asian cup 2013 we beat them 3-1 in the quarter final and made the U17 world cup. Japan lost and didn't make it. 10 years is such a long time, and we are still trying to play long ball/second ball in the process whilst Japanese football has evolved. Playing more games just scratches the surface if our coaching hasn't evolved like our players. Frustrating. As we have seen at all levels, playing out the back and through an opposition's lines is more difficult if you have less games together. It takes a while to form combinations. Also most a league clubs keep the ball on the deck, a recent survey of leagues actually found us the least direct of all leagues But the a league also struggles for lack of games and we get found out in the ACL when trying to play out against an organized press On top of combinations, game time leads to game time. The top teams including Japan have a dozen games a year. Today had 900 completed passes and little time on the ball despite the oppressive heat. It was easily a league level. If you are playing a dozen a league level games at u17 that leads to more time in actual a league games which launches a virtuous cycle Game time is crucial but I noticed how different the Japanese lads played compared to our lads, they always looked to show for the ball and play through the lines and there off the ball movement was alot better than our players where they just stood still. Also their combination play was alot better than ours, where we just relied on crosses. I cant recall the last time we played a Japanese team at any level and outplayed them, the Japanese even under the tough conditions in the first half were great to watch. They are indeed impressive and just seem to get better. They did beat Germany and Spain at the last world cup. We are yet to get even a point against a world cup winner in 5 world cup games and two knockout games We can only hope expansion and the nsd closes the gap slightly
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+x+x+x+x+x+x3-1 in the end, Japan too good. I cant remember the last time we beat Japan at any level, no wonder we never learn and its only about more games either but the Japanese clearly do things differently over there and clear to see how they play their football is more smart and savvy. I recalled Japan important alot of coaches and players from Brazil when they first started the J-League, plenty to learn for the future. The last time was U17 Asian cup 2013 we beat them 3-1 in the quarter final and made the U17 world cup. Japan lost and didn't make it. 10 years is such a long time, and we are still trying to play long ball/second ball in the process whilst Japanese football has evolved. Playing more games just scratches the surface if our coaching hasn't evolved like our players. Frustrating. As we have seen at all levels, playing out the back and through an opposition's lines is more difficult if you have less games together. It takes a while to form combinations. Also most a league clubs keep the ball on the deck, a recent survey of leagues actually found us the least direct of all leagues But the a league also struggles for lack of games and we get found out in the ACL when trying to play out against an organized press On top of combinations, game time leads to game time. The top teams including Japan have a dozen games a year. Today had 900 completed passes and little time on the ball despite the oppressive heat. It was easily a league level. If you are playing a dozen a league level games at u17 that leads to more time in actual a league games which launches a virtuous cycle Game time is crucial but I noticed how different the Japanese lads played compared to our lads, they always looked to show for the ball and play through the lines and there off the ball movement was alot better than our players where they just stood still. Also their combination play was alot better than ours, where we just relied on crosses. I cant recall the last time we played a Japanese team at any level and outplayed them, the Japanese even under the tough conditions in the first half were great to watch. They are indeed impressive and just seem to get better. They did beat Germany and Spain at the last world cup. We are yet to get even a point against a world cup winner in 5 world cup games and two knockout games We can only hope expansion and the nsd closes the gap slightly Agree!
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+x+x+xat the moment we have to top the group to qualify for the world cup because Japan are too difficult for us We could close the gap more with more games Japan had a training camp, a croatian tour and 2 local mini tournaments in the last 12 months for this age group. I believe this age group has just had a training camp in the last 12 months. So 1 quarter the preparation. If we can't afford 12 games of prep a year against other nations, maybe we can find a way to have 12 games locally. NPL all stars, lower a league level opposition....there has to be something we can do to better prepare these lads I didn't realise that re: preparation but the games had that feeling to them. We need to do better resourcing preparation and not leaving it to individual brilliance and hope. It's easy for me to criticise the coaching but if there isn't support to prepare the team properly its probably a difficult one to fairly judge. This cohort had much better preparation than previous generations, besides the training camps, they also played in the Antalya Youth Cup in February this year where they played the Czech Republic, Morocco and Uzbekistan (who drew with Japan last week). However, it is worth noting that their development has been impacted by lockdowns - particularly the Victorian lads. Oh interesting. How did we go in that? Need one home and one away tournament every year to catch up
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from reddit, it's a pretty jaw dropping contrast in youth opportunities "I record total games in each cohort since Jan 2022, not including official afc tournament games (since those are the games we are preparing for) Australia u15-u17: 3 Japan u15-u17: 27 Portugal u15-u17: 43 France u15-u17: 37 Saudi Arabia u15-u17: 24 (2022 u17 data incomplete but looks like around 6 games) The gap is just as bad at the next level up
Australia u18-u20: 6 Japan u18-u20: 12 Portugal u18-u20: 37 France u18-u20: 37 Saudi Arabia u18-u20: 11"
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Hoof it, hoof it again and hoof it some more. So many waylaid, aimless passes last night with some good stuff thrown in to be fair.
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+xfrom reddit, it's a pretty jaw dropping contrast in youth opportunities "I record total games in each cohort since Jan 2022, not including official afc tournament games (since those are the games we are preparing for) Australia u15-u17: 3 Japan u15-u17: 27 Portugal u15-u17: 43 France u15-u17: 37 Saudi Arabia u15-u17: 24 (2022 u17 data incomplete but looks like around 6 games) The gap is just as bad at the next level up
Australia u18-u20: 6 Japan u18-u20: 12 Portugal u18-u20: 37 France u18-u20: 37 Saudi Arabia u18-u20: 11" Wow. That's an amazing stat.
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+x+xfrom reddit, it's a pretty jaw dropping contrast in youth opportunities "I record total games in each cohort since Jan 2022, not including official afc tournament games (since those are the games we are preparing for) Australia u15-u17: 3 Japan u15-u17: 27 Portugal u15-u17: 43 France u15-u17: 37 Saudi Arabia u15-u17: 24 (2022 u17 data incomplete but looks like around 6 games) The gap is just as bad at the next level up
Australia u18-u20: 6 Japan u18-u20: 12 Portugal u18-u20: 37 France u18-u20: 37 Saudi Arabia u18-u20: 11" Wow. That's an amazing stat. Yep, but I’d like to know how we improve to ensure we are competitive at the top or do we just throw our hands up and not bother. I’d appreciate a better explanation of the Situation rather than they are more experienced than us. Even if we said we cannot do cause we don’t have the resources than fine but not weak excuses every time.
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Amanatidis, Di Pizio and Irankunda should be on fast track development pathways so we can get them into u23 or Socceroos asap. They all need to be playing a-league regularly even if FFA pays for it I don't care.
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+x+x+xat the moment we have to top the group to qualify for the world cup because Japan are too difficult for us We could close the gap more with more games Japan had a training camp, a croatian tour and 2 local mini tournaments in the last 12 months for this age group. I believe this age group has just had a training camp in the last 12 months. So 1 quarter the preparation. If we can't afford 12 games of prep a year against other nations, maybe we can find a way to have 12 games locally. NPL all stars, lower a league level opposition....there has to be something we can do to better prepare these lads I didn't realise that re: preparation but the games had that feeling to them. We need to do better resourcing preparation and not leaving it to individual brilliance and hope. It's easy for me to criticise the coaching but if there isn't support to prepare the team properly its probably a difficult one to fairly judge. If we are short of cash we need to organize friendlies with a league clubs for all age groups. Minimum of 6 a year for each age group If FIFA is going to let middle east clubs buy up all the players and create a super league they should force them to up their youth development and get them and China to host more AFC junior tournaments. Them two have unlimited money and it will only the benefit the confederation more in the long term.
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+xThe Japanese once again are a different class and its not what you expect either, we talk about how good technically they are but what the separator here is their decision making, off the ball movement, ability to find space is alot better than us. They close alot better down too which again how well coached they are. While Australia just relies on second balls and playing over the channels, that is such a basic level of playing and exposes the coaching in Australian football at this level. They do alot better in many aspects but Australian football has to up front about its deficiences and im not talking about technique which we have definetly improved but the way of playing isnt sufficient for this of level or not conductive to being successful. Well said Barca.... but also, regarding technique, holy Jesus their first touch was sublime compared to our lads..... night and day difference.
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+x+xThe Japanese once again are a different class and its not what you expect either, we talk about how good technically they are but what the separator here is their decision making, off the ball movement, ability to find space is alot better than us. They close alot better down too which again how well coached they are. While Australia just relies on second balls and playing over the channels, that is such a basic level of playing and exposes the coaching in Australian football at this level. They do alot better in many aspects but Australian football has to up front about its deficiences and im not talking about technique which we have definetly improved but the way of playing isnt sufficient for this of level or not conductive to being successful. Well said Barca.... but also, regarding technique, holy Jesus their first touch was sublime compared to our lads..... night and day difference. nothing changed hey, they have had the "touch" for yonks compared to our players for as long as I can recall.
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+x+x+xThe Japanese once again are a different class and its not what you expect either, we talk about how good technically they are but what the separator here is their decision making, off the ball movement, ability to find space is alot better than us. They close alot better down too which again how well coached they are. While Australia just relies on second balls and playing over the channels, that is such a basic level of playing and exposes the coaching in Australian football at this level. They do alot better in many aspects but Australian football has to up front about its deficiences and im not talking about technique which we have definetly improved but the way of playing isnt sufficient for this of level or not conductive to being successful. Well said Barca.... but also, regarding technique, holy Jesus their first touch was sublime compared to our lads..... night and day difference. nothing changed hey, they have had the "touch" for yonks compared to our players for as long as I can recall. Our lads dont play enough mate... thats the problem... You cant learn touch and feel from crappy rondos and Dutch training drills... Doing it in a game under pressure is an entirely different thing... The three standouts, for me, were Irankunda, Amanatidis and DiPazio ... but do they play full time in the Aleague or are they squad players with cameo appearances? If we had a second division or at least 6-8 more clubs in the Aleague they would be walk on first 11 players ........ Nippon Football knows what it is doing, we hide behind bullshit platitudes and protectionist garbage..... Where is the National Youth league the APL promised years ago even???? Something, anything to get more minutes into these kids legs? Other countries are arranging 20-40 matches in the same space of time we have had 3 !!!!!!!!!
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+x+xThe Japanese once again are a different class and its not what you expect either, we talk about how good technically they are but what the separator here is their decision making, off the ball movement, ability to find space is alot better than us. They close alot better down too which again how well coached they are. While Australia just relies on second balls and playing over the channels, that is such a basic level of playing and exposes the coaching in Australian football at this level. They do alot better in many aspects but Australian football has to up front about its deficiences and im not talking about technique which we have definetly improved but the way of playing isnt sufficient for this of level or not conductive to being successful. Well said Barca.... but also, regarding technique, holy Jesus their first touch was sublime compared to our lads..... night and day difference. They always been technically top class, but what stood out for me was how smart they are and how they were able to problem solve with and without the ball. The way they exposed the defensive structure for the 2nd goal was very impressive even at under 17 level. I wish we can play football like them instead of resounding to long ball football when it got too hard because our players are capable of being better than that.
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+xAmanatidis, Di Pizio and Irankunda should be on fast track development pathways so we can get them into u23 or Socceroos asap. They all need to be playing a-league regularly even if FFA pays for it I don't care. Agree with those three and thought the keeper was impressive too.
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+x+x+xThe Japanese once again are a different class and its not what you expect either, we talk about how good technically they are but what the separator here is their decision making, off the ball movement, ability to find space is alot better than us. They close alot better down too which again how well coached they are. While Australia just relies on second balls and playing over the channels, that is such a basic level of playing and exposes the coaching in Australian football at this level. They do alot better in many aspects but Australian football has to up front about its deficiences and im not talking about technique which we have definetly improved but the way of playing isnt sufficient for this of level or not conductive to being successful. Well said Barca.... but also, regarding technique, holy Jesus their first touch was sublime compared to our lads..... night and day difference. They always been technically top class, but what stood out for me was how smart they are and how they were able to problem solve with and without the ball. The way they exposed the defensive structure for the 2nd goal was very impressive even at under 17 level. I wish we can play football like them instead of resounding to long ball football when it got too hard because our players are capable of being better than that. they have always been a yard faster at Snr level, fitness and movement off the ball has you chasing shadows, we were shown @ U17 level now. We are capable at being better against lesser opponents, not those on the ball, fitter/faster and add the "touch". GA keeps saying we need more football of late says it all as MSC mentions above, infact last 20yrs. IMO we punch above our weight, kudos credit to the fellas, see how evident the pace is of Irankunda, he's one of our outlier's, hope this kid kicks on.
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I will get myself into trouble with this but is club football the best way of developing our 15 and over age group special players?
Do we need to take the best players out of their clubs for special training camps during the season and form them into regional squads over summer that play against other regional squads in a national competition? We could have competitions running for each year group from under 15 through with the A-League/NST looking after under 18 and above. Out of these competitions we would form national squads for each year group for regular international games and to play in international competitions.
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+xI will get myself into trouble with this but is club football the best way of developing our 15 and over age group special players? Do we need to take the best players out of their clubs for special training camps during the season and form them into regional squads over summer that play against other regional squads in a national competition? We could have competitions running for each year group from under 15 through with the A-League/NST looking after under 18 and above. Out of these competitions we would form national squads for each year group for regular international games and to play in international competitions. Not a dumb question at all; heck a reasoning for the AIS’ ⚽️ program in the first place was that individual clubs couldn’t always be trusted w/their youth-players’(older age group than 15yo, yes, but the point stands) effective transition to senior football. Of course that still leaves the underlying issues of the whole pay-to-play system, in contrast to the other codes’ charging virtually nothing for the equivalent..
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+x+x+x+x3-1 in the end, Japan too good. I cant remember the last time we beat Japan at any level, no wonder we never learn and its only about more games either but the Japanese clearly do things differently over there and clear to see how they play their football is more smart and savvy. I recalled Japan important alot of coaches and players from Brazil when they first started the J-League, plenty to learn for the future. The last time was U17 Asian cup 2013 we beat them 3-1 in the quarter final and made the U17 world cup. Japan lost and didn't make it. 10 years is such a long time, and we are still trying to play long ball/second ball in the process whilst Japanese football has evolved. Playing more games just scratches the surface if our coaching hasn't evolved like our players. Frustrating. Also most a league clubs keep the ball on the deck, a recent survey of leagues actually found us the least direct of all leagues Which survey was that, Grazor?
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+x+x+x+xThe Japanese once again are a different class and its not what you expect either, we talk about how good technically they are but what the separator here is their decision making, off the ball movement, ability to find space is alot better than us. They close alot better down too which again how well coached they are. While Australia just relies on second balls and playing over the channels, that is such a basic level of playing and exposes the coaching in Australian football at this level. They do alot better in many aspects but Australian football has to up front about its deficiences and im not talking about technique which we have definetly improved but the way of playing isnt sufficient for this of level or not conductive to being successful. Well said Barca.... but also, regarding technique, holy Jesus their first touch was sublime compared to our lads..... night and day difference. They always been technically top class, but what stood out for me was how smart they are and how they were able to problem solve with and without the ball. The way they exposed the defensive structure for the 2nd goal was very impressive even at under 17 level. I wish we can play football like them instead of resounding to long ball football when it got too hard because our players are capable of being better than that. they have always been a yard faster at Snr level, fitness and movement off the ball has you chasing shadows, we were shown @ U17 level now. We are capable at being better against lesser opponents, not those on the ball, fitter/faster and add the "touch". GA keeps saying we need more football of late says it all as MSC mentions above, infact last 20yrs. IMO we punch above our weight, kudos credit to the fellas, see how evident the pace is of Irankunda, he's one of our outlier's, hope this kid kicks on. At least Japan as a country in the Asian Confederation gives us something to aspire to. We may not ever match Japan given our modest resources compared to theirs, but trying to match them can can only be beneficial. At senior level, for the first time, Asia had 3 teams in the last 16 in Qatar.
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+x+x+x+xThe Japanese once again are a different class and its not what you expect either, we talk about how good technically they are but what the separator here is their decision making, off the ball movement, ability to find space is alot better than us. They close alot better down too which again how well coached they are. While Australia just relies on second balls and playing over the channels, that is such a basic level of playing and exposes the coaching in Australian football at this level. They do alot better in many aspects but Australian football has to up front about its deficiences and im not talking about technique which we have definetly improved but the way of playing isnt sufficient for this of level or not conductive to being successful. Well said Barca.... but also, regarding technique, holy Jesus their first touch was sublime compared to our lads..... night and day difference. nothing changed hey, they have had the "touch" for yonks compared to our players for as long as I can recall. Our lads dont play enough mate... thats the problem... You cant learn touch and feel from crappy rondos and Dutch training drills... Doing it in a game under pressure is an entirely different thing... The three standouts, for me, were Irankunda, Amanatidis and DiPazio ... but do they play full time in the Aleague or are they squad players with cameo appearances? If we had a second division or at least 6-8 more clubs in the Aleague they would be walk on first 11 players ........ Nippon Football knows what it is doing, we hide behind bullshit platitudes and protectionist garbage..... Where is the National Youth league the APL promised years ago even???? Something, anything to get more minutes into these kids legs? Other countries are arranging 20-40 matches in the same space of time we have had 3 !!!!!!!!! Rondos and various KNVB training group drills are as good as one can do on the training ground, but I agree it is important to be able to perform under match pressure. We need to play more games.
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+xfrom reddit, it's a pretty jaw dropping contrast in youth opportunities "I record total games in each cohort since Jan 2022, not including official afc tournament games (since those are the games we are preparing for) Australia u15-u17: 3 Japan u15-u17: 27 Portugal u15-u17: 43 France u15-u17: 37 Saudi Arabia u15-u17: 24 (2022 u17 data incomplete but looks like around 6 games) The gap is just as bad at the next level up
Australia u18-u20: 6 Japan u18-u20: 12 Portugal u18-u20: 37 France u18-u20: 37 Saudi Arabia u18-u20: 11" This is astonishing!
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+x+x+xThe Japanese once again are a different class and its not what you expect either, we talk about how good technically they are but what the separator here is their decision making, off the ball movement, ability to find space is alot better than us. They close alot better down too which again how well coached they are. While Australia just relies on second balls and playing over the channels, that is such a basic level of playing and exposes the coaching in Australian football at this level. They do alot better in many aspects but Australian football has to up front about its deficiences and im not talking about technique which we have definetly improved but the way of playing isnt sufficient for this of level or not conductive to being successful. Well said Barca.... but also, regarding technique, holy Jesus their first touch was sublime compared to our lads..... night and day difference. They always been technically top class, but what stood out for me was how smart they are and how they were able to problem solve with and without the ball. The way they exposed the defensive structure for the 2nd goal was very impressive even at under 17 level.I wish we can play football like them instead of resounding to long ball football when it got too hard because our players are capable of being better than that. That was very disheartening from a defensive point of view.... Great move from the Japanese but, and it could just bee the conditions, our defence was sleeping for that one.....
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+xI will get myself into trouble with this but is club football the best way of developing our 15 and over age group special players? Do we need to take the best players out of their clubs for special training camps during the season and form them into regional squads over summer that play against other regional squads in a national competition? We could have competitions running for each year group from under 15 through with the A-League/NST looking after under 18 and above. Out of these competitions we would form national squads for each year group for regular international games and to play in international competitions. I agree with BA81 Flytox... Nothing "troublesome" about your post... Maybe club football is NOT the answer. for this age group... The problem seems to be funding as a state based equivalent of AIS might be better suited to pick up the slack. Aleague franchises dont seem to want to sustain a national youth competition and federation NPL clubs cant afford it in their wildest dreams but FV, FNSW, FSA etc etc should indeed work with the FA to do yearly, or even quarterly camp/tournament .... I would have hoped this was the broad framework for national age group selection currently, is it not?
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+xfrom reddit, it's a pretty jaw dropping contrast in youth opportunities "I record total games in each cohort since Jan 2022, not including official afc tournament games (since those are the games we are preparing for) Australia u15-u17: 3 Japan u15-u17: 27 Portugal u15-u17: 43 France u15-u17: 37 Saudi Arabia u15-u17: 24 (2022 u17 data incomplete but looks like around 6 games) The gap is just as bad at the next level up
Australia u18-u20: 6 Japan u18-u20: 12 Portugal u18-u20: 37 France u18-u20: 37 Saudi Arabia u18-u20: 11" Given the paucity of games our boys play and infrequent camps we do very well to be as competitive as we are when playing these teams.I only saw highlights of the Japan game but it was interesting to note that their first goal came from inept defending following a long throw in into the penalty area.Their second goal came from a judicious long ball which isolated our RB in a one on one with his opponent.The assist was smart and a good finish though maybe our goalie could have done better.The third goal was beautifully worked with our midfield and CBs skewered by that through ball and the striker then wrong footing the keeper. Irankunda's goal was well taken and I would have liked to see how he played otherwise.From the glimpses I did see our defence was wanting and this would reflect lack of time together
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+x+xfrom reddit, it's a pretty jaw dropping contrast in youth opportunities "I record total games in each cohort since Jan 2022, not including official afc tournament games (since those are the games we are preparing for) Australia u15-u17: 3 Japan u15-u17: 27 Portugal u15-u17: 43 France u15-u17: 37 Saudi Arabia u15-u17: 24 (2022 u17 data incomplete but looks like around 6 games) The gap is just as bad at the next level up
Australia u18-u20: 6 Japan u18-u20: 12 Portugal u18-u20: 37 France u18-u20: 37 Saudi Arabia u18-u20: 11" Given the paucity of games our boys play and infrequent camps we do very well to be as competitive as we are when playing these teams.I only saw highlights of the Japan game but it was interesting to note that their first goal came from inept defending following a long throw in into the penalty area.Their second goal came from a judicious long ball which isolated our RB in a one on one with his opponent.The assist was smart and a good finish though maybe our goalie could have done better.The third goal was beautifully worked with our midfield and CBs skewered by that through ball and the striker then wrong footing the keeper. Irankunda's goal was well taken and I would have liked to see how he played otherwise.From the glimpses I did see our defence was wanting and this would reflect lack of time together Our keeper couldn't have done much more for the second goal - the main reason why they scored that one was our LB just ball watching at halfway & just strolling back to allow their Striker all the time in the world to pick his mark. Our defence was horrendous, apart from Lebib, who was inexplicably subbed off & replaced at CB by the same LB that was having an absolute shocker - massive coaching error there, because we were still in it up to the 3rd goal.
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+x+xfrom reddit, it's a pretty jaw dropping contrast in youth opportunities "I record total games in each cohort since Jan 2022, not including official afc tournament games (since those are the games we are preparing for) Australia u15-u17: 3 Japan u15-u17: 27 Portugal u15-u17: 43 France u15-u17: 37 Saudi Arabia u15-u17: 24 (2022 u17 data incomplete but looks like around 6 games) The gap is just as bad at the next level up
Australia u18-u20: 6 Japan u18-u20: 12 Portugal u18-u20: 37 France u18-u20: 37 Saudi Arabia u18-u20: 11" Given the paucity of games our boys play and infrequent camps we do very well to be as competitive as we are when playing these teams.I only saw highlights of the Japan game but it was interesting to note that their first goal came from inept defending following a long throw in into the penalty area.Their second goal came from a judicious long ball which isolated our RB in a one on one with his opponent.The assist was smart and a good finish though maybe our goalie could have done better.The third goal was beautifully worked with our midfield and CBs skewered by that through ball and the striker then wrong footing the keeper. Irankunda's goal was well taken and I would have liked to see how he played otherwise.From the glimpses I did see our defence was wanting and this would reflect lack of time together yer why I mentioned we punch above our weight, thats been our DNA most times from Jnr to Snr at various times/games. Damn those stats are damming. Following BA81/MSC Flytox agree something should be done having the "picked standouts" in camps more or more games arranged against other close by Nations top Jnrs. Its a FA job to manage this being we have no AIS something needs to be set up for the budding stand outs co ordinated with the State Feds agree MSC.
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