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Munrubenmuz wrote:socceroo_06 wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:Gotta get the excuses in early. Do you need reminding of who the 1999 runners-up Joeys were? The correlation between winning U-17 World Cups and success at senior level is insignificant. Yes it is but then why are we even playing if we don't think it'll help. The FFA could save themselves millions by disbanding these teams ASAP. Of course it's important and results matter (but not the be all and end all.) As a hypothetical if we won this tournament and these lads went on and won the under 19's and then they made the semis or the final at the Olympics and then they got selected in numbers to play for the socceroos would you still be telling me that results don't matter? Or are they still in a "development phase"? Edited by munrubenmuz: 29/10/2015 11:22:29 AM I'm not interested in hypotheticals, I care about evidence-based facts only. The correlation between success at U-17 level and success at senior world cup level is not significant. Top 4 U-17 performing countries: 1. Nigeria 2. Brazil 3. Mexico 4 Soviet Union Top 4 Fifa World Cup performing nations: 1. Brazil 2. Germany 3. Italy 4. Argentina However, should underage national teams be disbanded in order to save the FFA money and look to develop these players by other means? I think that is a question worth investigating.
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Munrubenmuz wrote:Roar #1 wrote:Omg we fucking suck, Nigeria aren't even that good Wait, what?! Roar #1 wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:Gotta get the excuses in early. :roll: we don't need excuses, [size=7] they are simply a better team[/size], deal with it. I thought the sarcasm was obvious :lol:
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Muz
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socceroo_06 wrote:
I'm not interested in hypotheticals, I care about evidence-based facts only. The correlation between success at U-17 level and success at senior world cup level is not significant.
Top 4 U-17 performing countries: 1. Nigeria 2. Brazil 3. Mexico 4 Soviet Union
Top 4 Fifa World Cup performing nations: 1. Brazil 2. Germany 3. Italy 4. Argentina
Every one of those teams you listed for the 17's have and do perform better at the senior world cup then us.
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Muz
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Beautiful finish.
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highkick05
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Seen enough, these boys need to cheer the fuck up. The Nigerian defense just has to sit on a player and we're fucked. How stupid this philosophy is.. first it was supposed to be positive, we're supposed to BREAK OUT of this Dutch defensive mould. Now we're just pathetic and wasting possession passing to manned players
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Muz
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Foul my arse. Shoulder to shoulder. For the pen the Oz bloke kicked the Nigerian.
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highkick05 wrote:Seen enough, these boys need to cheer the fuck up.
The Nigerian defense just has to sit on a player and we're fucked. How stupid this philosophy is.. first it was supposed to be positive, we're supposed to BREAK OUT of this Dutch defensive mould. Now we're just pathetic and wasting possession passing to manned players Shhhhhhh. The Cruyff turns where we are dispossessed are good too.
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Muz
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Getting absolutely caned now. They could have 7 at this rate.
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Munrubenmuz wrote:socceroo_06 wrote:
I'm not interested in hypotheticals, I care about evidence-based facts only. The correlation between success at U-17 level and success at senior world cup level is not significant.
Top 4 U-17 performing countries: 1. Nigeria 2. Brazil 3. Mexico 4 Soviet Union
Top 4 Fifa World Cup performing nations: 1. Brazil 2. Germany 3. Italy 4. Argentina
Every one of those teams you listed for the 17's have and do perform better at the senior world cup then us. Means literally nothing. We perform better at junior level than at senior level.
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Barca4Life
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You must be enjoying this Munrubenmuz....
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Roar #1
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Munrubenmuz wrote:Foul my arse. Shoulder to shoulder.
For the pen the Oz bloke kicked the Nigerian. :lol: you're very anti Australian Atm, clear foul
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No imagination or fantasy.
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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socceroo_06
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Munrubenmuz wrote:socceroo_06 wrote:
I'm not interested in hypotheticals, I care about evidence-based facts only. The correlation between success at U-17 level and success at senior world cup level is not significant.
Top 4 U-17 performing countries: 1. Nigeria 2. Brazil 3. Mexico 4 Soviet Union
Top 4 Fifa World Cup performing nations: 1. Brazil 2. Germany 3. Italy 4. Argentina
Every one of those teams you listed for the 17's have and do perform better at the senior world cup then us. Wrong. Nigeria - best result is Round of 16, same as Australia Mexico - best result is Quarter-finals, prior to any success at U-17 level Soviet Union - best result Fourth Place in 1966, long before the U-17 WC existed and when they were an amalgamation of many different nations. The odd one out is Brazil, which is no suprise.
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Muz
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Are you listening to the commentary Decentric. All the stuff about technique and naive defending, missing vision, wayward passing, positioning? All the stuff I was saying we lack but all you can crap on about is diamonds and triangles and how I don't "understand" what the curriculum is about. FFS.
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Pretty happy with the performance apart from the finishing some beautiful skills on display the group younger than this are a step up again
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socceroo_06 wrote: Wrong.
Nigeria - best result is Round of 16, same as Australia Mexico - best result is Quarter-finals, prior to any success at U-17 level Soviet Union - best result Fourth Place in 1966, long before the U-17 WC existed and when they were an amalgamation of many different nations.
The odd one out is Brazil, which is no suprise.
Seriously you would prefer Australia over any of those 4 teams above? Put our socceroos up against any of their senior sides and 9 out of 10 times we'd come away with a loss.
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Roar #1
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Munrubenmuz wrote:Are you listening to the commentary Decentric. All the stuff about technique and naive defending, missing vision, wayward passing, positioning?
All the stuff I was saying we lack but all you can crap on about is diamonds and triangles and how I don't "understand" what the curriculum is about.
FFS.
Are you the one commentating? He's very negative about everything. When Bournemouth get beaten by Man city they don't bitch and complain about how shit they are they just deal with the fact they lost to one of the best teams in the world.
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Munrubenmuz wrote:socceroo_06 wrote: Wrong.
Nigeria - best result is Round of 16, same as Australia Mexico - best result is Quarter-finals, prior to any success at U-17 level Soviet Union - best result Fourth Place in 1966, long before the U-17 WC existed and when they were an amalgamation of many different nations.
The odd one out is Brazil, which is no suprise.
Seriously you would prefer Australia over any of those 4 teams above? Put our socceroos up against any of their senior sides and 9 out of 10 times we'd come away with a loss. Confident we'd destroy the Soviets 3-0 these days.
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grazorblade wrote:the group younger than this are a step up again I've heard this here a few times but not exactly sure what that's based on. Are those players developing in better clubs or something?
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Barca4Life
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Nigeria are good but doesnt mean anything at under 17 when at senior level they flop, just saying.
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Roar #1 wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:Roar #1 wrote:Omg we fucking suck, Nigeria aren't even that good Wait, what?! Roar #1 wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:Gotta get the excuses in early. :roll: we don't need excuses, [size=7] they are simply a better team[/size], deal with it. I thought the sarcasm was obvious :lol: Bullshit. The "eyeroll" gives you away.
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socceroo_06
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Munrubenmuz wrote:socceroo_06 wrote: Wrong.
Nigeria - best result is Round of 16, same as Australia Mexico - best result is Quarter-finals, prior to any success at U-17 level Soviet Union - best result Fourth Place in 1966, long before the U-17 WC existed and when they were an amalgamation of many different nations.
The odd one out is Brazil, which is no suprise.
Seriously you would prefer Australia over any of those 4 teams above? Put our socceroos up against any of their senior sides and 9 out of 10 times we'd come away with a loss. We are talking about correlation between U-17 WC success and Senior WC success. ](*,) Also you are talking about hypotheticals again. People in denial always try and build strawman arguments. Edited by socceroo_06: 29/10/2015 11:48:22 AM
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Barca4Life
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Geez 6-0, feel sorry for these kids.
We have far more work to do in youth development, we have made some strides but still we have a very long way to go.
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Roar #1
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Munrubenmuz wrote:Roar #1 wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:Roar #1 wrote:Omg we fucking suck, Nigeria aren't even that good Wait, what?! Roar #1 wrote:Munrubenmuz wrote:Gotta get the excuses in early. :roll: we don't need excuses, [size=7] they are simply a better team[/size], deal with it. I thought the sarcasm was obvious :lol: Bullshit. The "eyeroll" gives you away. The eye roll was directed at your comment
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Barca4Life wrote:You must be enjoying this Munrubenmuz.... Not at all. I hate it. I think we could be so much better that's all. The coaching concerns me greatly. (And when you have blokes like decentric (and other here) not even willing to even question the aspects of the methodology or have a discussion about how it could be improved then you've got problems.)
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exactly as predicted.
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Roar #1
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Nigeria have been clinical this game.
They are finishing like 10 year professionals and not 17 year old kids. Pretty incredible
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Munrubenmuz wrote:Barca4Life wrote:You must be enjoying this Munrubenmuz.... Not at all. I hate it. I think we could be so much better that's all. The coaching concerns me greatly. (And when you have blokes like decentric (and other here) not even willing to even question the aspects of the methodology or have a discussion about how it could be improved then you've got problems.) What is your advice for improvement ?
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