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true heroism, Chris Mintz these are the people who should get the publicity. not the shooter. you can donate to his expenses here https://www.gofundme.com/s75ge9y4no trolling thanks Quote:[size=8]Oregon shooting: Army veteran Chris Mintz shot seven times protecting classmates[/size]Updated Sat at 11:07am Chris Mintz  PHOTO: Hailed a hero ... army veteran Chris Mintz was shot trying to save his classmates. (Supplied: Go Fund Me) An army veteran is being hailed as a hero for charging the gunman during a mass shooting at a college in Oregon, before being shot himself despite pleading that it was his son's birthday. Chris Mintz, 30, who was studying to become a fitness trainer at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, was shot seven times by the gunman identified as Christopher Harper Mercer. Mr Mintz underwent seven hours of surgery and suffered two broken legs and significant blood loss from his injuries in the tragedy that left 10 dead, including the shooter. The gunman burst into a classroom, shot a professor in the head and then ordered cowering students to stand up and state their religion before shooting them one by one, according to survivors' accounts. Obama wants you to see this chart  US president Barack Obama has asked media outlets to chart gun deaths versus terrorism deaths in the United States. Here's what that looks like. As Mercer moved toward an adjoining classroom, Mr Mintz, an army combat veteran who served in Iraq, threw himself against the classroom door to prevent the gunman from entering. But Mercer managed to blast his way in and repeatedly shot Mr Mintz, ignoring pleas that it was his son Tirek's sixth birthday. "He gets shot three times, hits the floor, looks up at the gunman and says 'it's my son's birthday' and gets shot more times," Mr Mintz's aunt, Wanda Mintz, told local television state Fox 8. "He could have very easily died." She said Mr Mintz was shot in the back, abdomen, left hand and once in each leg but is expected to recover. "He's going to have to learn to walk again," Ariana Earnhardt, Mr Mintz's cousin, said. "But he walked away with his life and that's more than so many other people did." http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-03/chris-mintz-shot-protecting-classmates-in-oregon-shooting/6825016 Edited by trident: 4/10/2015 06:11:22 PM
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lukerobinho wrote:u4486662 wrote:Nice try. He killed one person because his weapon was crap. If this was America he would've killed 20. He had a handgun he could of at least taken several victims if he wanted but he was In front of a police station and wanted to cause a scene, and was intercepted quite quickly The question remains, why didn't the much lauded gun laws prevent a dangerous individual obtaining a weapon ? The Parra teenager had a handgun?? -PB
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trident wrote:paulbagzFC wrote:u4486662 wrote:Nice try. He killed one person because his weapon was crap. If this was America he would've killed 20. I haven't seen any article that stated what he used? -PB You wont read much about him now because they dont want to glorify these shooters. The sheriff already said this and some of the media are complying. Good idea in my opinion. I'm talking about Parramatta. -PB
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u4486662 wrote:Nice try. He killed one person because his weapon was crap. If this was America he would've killed 20. He had a handgun he could of at least taken several victims if he wanted but he was In front of a police station and wanted to cause a scene, and was intercepted quite quickly The question remains, why didn't the much lauded gun laws prevent a dangerous individual obtaining a weapon ?
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paulbagzFC wrote:u4486662 wrote:Nice try. He killed one person because his weapon was crap. If this was America he would've killed 20. I haven't seen any article that stated what he used? -PB You wont read much about him now because they dont want to glorify these shooters. The sheriff already said this and some of the media are complying. Good idea in my opinion.
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u4486662 wrote:Nice try. He killed one person because his weapon was crap. If this was America he would've killed 20. I haven't seen any article that stated what he used? -PB
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u4486662 wrote:Nice try. He killed one person because his weapon was crap. If this was America he would've killed 20. exactly. who knows how many people he would've killed in the area had that gun been an automatic kind freely available all over the USA
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Nice try. He killed one person because his weapon was crap. If this was America he would've killed 20.
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Drunken_Fish wrote:lukerobinho wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:433 wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:lukerobinho wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:marconi101 wrote:Inb4 stupid Texan says: 'Well if the teacher had a gun...." My uncle did. He is a typcial red neck gun toting republican. He hates immigrants yet he is a filipino :lol: Why don't you believe children should have protection ? We'll know Obama is serious about gun control when he gets rid of his armed bodyguards The day that some americans chose their right to arms instead of caring about the their own kids after sandy hook is a sad day also a parent i can protect my kids with out guns. If your reasoning is guns will save my kids . Then you sir are a fuckwit. You seem to be under the impression that taking arms away from law-abiding citizens and leaving them in the hands of criminals (which is what a gun ban would do) will somehow make your children safer. :lol: you think by having a gun/s will make kids safer? :lol: :lol: the people who are up in arms are the ones like yourself who see the righr to bare arms as a right and not a privilege. The hunters know that the gun control is needed . Why should a person with mental health issues own a gun? Back ground checks are needed. But nah my right to bear arms is more important Not sure how they'd be "safer" in a home invasion and no means to defend yourself. You are at home in bed, asleep. You wake up to find a man with a gun in your bedroom stealing stuff. Is it safer to lay there and pretend to be asleep or to reach for your gun and try and use it? You are at home in bed, asleep. You are awoken by a man who has a gun trained on you. Is it safer to do what he wants or to go for your gun. And where is that gun? Is it laying beside the bed where the man in both cases has already got it? Is it under your pillow? Or is it locked away so your children are unable to find it and perhaps shoot themselves, each other or even you? Practically how is a gun going to help you if you are in bed, asleep at night? Most people would be awoken when they enter the property via break and enter
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in before video games and grand theft auto are the problem
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:I think if we could all just have one night where everyone gets a free pass on murder, rape etc. we can let out our bloodlust in a controlled manner, whilst living rage-free for 364 days in the year. Americans have that, its called Black Friday sales hahah -PB
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bottom line is:
If the newtown shooting (20 kids got shot) didnt change anything, then nothing will change
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I worked with a guy who emigrated from South africa. He was of the opinion that it was almost suicidal and insane not to bear arms where he lived over there. Home invasions and crime were a serious problem. I guess Australians couldn't possibly understand living in a relatively peaceful, economic sound society where it really isnt necessary and fairly silly for regular citizens to be owning guns for protection purposes. The same could probably be said for a lot of places in The USA I suppose. Such a varying complicated place come to think of it, unlike Australia. It makes you wonder if the same precautions in particular areas like Detroit for example in the USA may be a wise investment for your safety. http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/08/25/detroit-police-chief-less-crime-home-invasions-way-down-amid-rising-gun-ownershipQuote:The Detroit police chief has called on the law-abiding people of his community to arm themselves.
Now, James Craig says his city has seen a drop in crime of 12%, as Detroit moves lower on the list of America's deadliest cities.
In 2014, the Detroit police department issued more than 1,100 handgun permits, while more than 8,100 guns were registered in the city.
The number of shootings and robberies dropped from 2013. Home invasions are down 17% so far this year, Craig said, following a drop of 38% last year.
Craig noted that in a survey of 1,800 felons, the respondents pointed to "armed citizens" as the thing they were most afraid of.
Craig said his police officers are doing tremendous work, but said that there are more and more incidents in recent years in which a criminal encounters an armed individual.
He said his time working in Maine taught him about the importance of Americans exercising their Second Amendment right and he brought those lessons with him to Detroit two years ago.
"My time in Maine was pivotal for me taking another look at what good Americans who are armed can have on reducing violence," said Craig.
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Quote:The gunman who killed nine people in a shooting rampage at a college in Oregon had 13 weapons, federal agents said. Dressed in a flak jacket, Chris Harper Mercer brought six guns to Umpqua Community College in Roseburg and opened fire on Thursday morning. He was killed by police in a gun battle and another seven weapons were found at his home. All 13 were bought legally. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34428410 All purchased legally, thanks to decades of right wing fear mongering
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lukerobinho wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:433 wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:lukerobinho wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:marconi101 wrote:Inb4 stupid Texan says: 'Well if the teacher had a gun...." My uncle did. He is a typcial red neck gun toting republican. He hates immigrants yet he is a filipino :lol: Why don't you believe children should have protection ? We'll know Obama is serious about gun control when he gets rid of his armed bodyguards The day that some americans chose their right to arms instead of caring about the their own kids after sandy hook is a sad day also a parent i can protect my kids with out guns. If your reasoning is guns will save my kids . Then you sir are a fuckwit. You seem to be under the impression that taking arms away from law-abiding citizens and leaving them in the hands of criminals (which is what a gun ban would do) will somehow make your children safer. :lol: you think by having a gun/s will make kids safer? :lol: :lol: the people who are up in arms are the ones like yourself who see the righr to bare arms as a right and not a privilege. The hunters know that the gun control is needed . Why should a person with mental health issues own a gun? Back ground checks are needed. But nah my right to bear arms is more important Not sure how they'd be "safer" in a home invasion and no means to defend yourself. You are at home in bed, asleep. You wake up to find a man with a gun in your bedroom stealing stuff. Is it safer to lay there and pretend to be asleep or to reach for your gun and try and use it? You are at home in bed, asleep. You are awoken by a man who has a gun trained on you. Is it safer to do what he wants or to go for your gun. And where is that gun? Is it laying beside the bed where the man in both cases has already got it? Is it under your pillow? Or is it locked away so your children are unable to find it and perhaps shoot themselves, each other or even you? Practically how is a gun going to help you if you are in bed, asleep at night?
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They should do something about gun regulation, but there's too much money going on in that business. This will just happen again.
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99 Problems wrote:Still yet to see a single legitimate reason a civilian needs a gun You're pretty much right, but logic doesn't apply in the mind of a fear driven right winger. And right wing fear mongering is blocking change in the USA.
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trident wrote:Without regulation, the US would be like a Mad Max movie There's an abject lack of regulation in the US and it already is like that. Haven't seen the movie but I get the gist of what you're saying. In terms of economics, the Global Financial Crisis showed the extent of US deregulation and the consequences. In much the same way that they now confuse the right to bear arms with protecting individual rights, they confused the idea of a laissez-faire capitalist structure maximising profit with letting banks pretend to be whatever the fuck they want to be. They thought capitalism meant deregulation of every market and financial structure (when it doesn't). And here, well the right to bear arms is basically deregulated. Behold the results.
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Without regulation, the US would be like a Mad Max movie
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The right to keep and bare arms is not infringed by regulation. If people honestly believe it is, then think about the absolute opposite scenario where there is no regulation and people can walk around with bazookas. Wake up to yourselves.
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Or it works, in which case the constitution doesn't need to be changed anyway.
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Obama should just repeal every gun control law. Let criminals buy machine guns.
If that's what the people want, if that is "in the constitution" then let it be so.
Let the guns flood the streets.
Maybe after a bloodletting to rival any in history, the American people might wake up to themselves.
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To reiterate what I wrote a while ago...
The strength of the political system of the United States has always been that it has protected individual rights.
The protection of the individual from tyranny (visited upon them by the government or other citizens or whatever) has been the hallmark of that system.
Protecting the individual's rights are a government's first responsibility. As Locke said, we enter into a social contract with the government insofar that we surrender certain freedoms (like going around shooting people) for the sake of our individual rights being guaranteed.
Now, back in 1791 when there was no proper police force and a huge degree of lawlessness, one of the best ways of protecting the individual's rights was to guarantee the individual the right to bear arms.
Fastforward over two centuries and there is (supposedly) law and order. There are police forces. There is a criminal justice system (which, in the US, has more emphasis on the word "criminal" than the word "justice" ).
This means that the individual's rights are no longer best protected by giving the individual the right to bear arms.
We have seen that instead this right has resulted in thousands of individuals having their rights infringed insofar as they've been mowed down by other individuals holding guns.
As such, the best means of protecting the individual is not to afford them the right to bear arms.
As such the Second Amendment is not only redundant, it's now dangerous. It cannot be reconciled with other essential human rights listed in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, to which the United States subscribes.
So anybody thinking the right to bear arms is justified is labouring under several misapprehensions.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:433 wrote:99 Problems wrote:Still yet to see a single legitimate reason a civilian needs a gun It's a right, you don't need one. These days it shouldnt be a right. It should be a privilege. If you fuck up that privilege is taken away. Just like every privileges we earn the right to them. So what have the majority of Americans (who you want to take guns from) "fucked up" at?
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this is all Obama wants to do: completely harmless. I dont know why the republicans are opposing this Quote:President Obama is not waiting to take acton. On january 26, 2013, he announced 23 executive actions to reduce gun violence that will: 1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system. 2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system. 3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system. 4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks. 5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun. 6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers. 7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign. 8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission). 9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations. 10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement. 11. Nominate an ATF director. 12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations. 13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. 14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence. 15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies. 16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes. 17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities. 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers. 19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education. 20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover. 21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges. 22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations. 23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
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paulbagzFC wrote:99 Problems wrote:Still yet to see a single legitimate reason a civilian needs a gun Other than sports and hunting there isn't any (bar security contractors). -PB Yep. And I don't exactly consider them 'civilians' in this debate. They're (or should be) licensed and have demonstrated the ability to use a firearm and the need for it.
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433 wrote:99 Problems wrote:Still yet to see a single legitimate reason a civilian needs a gun It's a right, you don't need one. These days it shouldnt be a right. It should be a privilege. If you fuck up that privilege is taken away. Just like every privileges we earn the right to them.
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99 Problems wrote:Still yet to see a single legitimate reason a civilian needs a gun It's a right, you don't need one.
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99 Problems wrote:Still yet to see a single legitimate reason a civilian needs a gun Other than sports and hunting there isn't any (bar security contractors). -PB
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