Howd they know he was radicalised in 2010?

-PB

Ironic that Japanese aren't considered racist since they committed some of the most horrific war crimes against the Chinese in WW2.

What do you suggest then?
This isn't just an Islamic thing.
Christianity has their form of barbarity....ie The Crusades, IRA, etc.
I haven't heard much by means of proposing solutions to the current problem except constant criticism so I'd like your take on what your solution is.


Edited by SocaWho: 15/11/2015 01:55:09 PM

I suppose it helps to define what barbaric is, from a Western point of view. From what I've seen, having a typical (Western style) relationship with a Muslim woman in Indonesia would soon lead to some pretty barbaric things.

It's interesting that a country like Japan is not viewed as racist nor is a target of extremists despite taking in just 18 refugees in 2012. Countries that have had a large Muslim migration over the last few decades are the countries that suffer the most from terrorist acts.

One of the terrorists has been identified as a French national radicalised in 2010.

prayers with the victims and their families
As for islam if any muslims are reading this thread know that many of us welcome you in this country, many of us are capable of using google to find muslims speaking out against these travesties rather relying on media narratives, many of us are capable of learning about your religion and reading the quran rather than relying on rumour and viral social media posts even if my conscioence leads me to have profoundly different beliefs. Many of us are greatful for the friendships we have with you and hope we can do whatever we can to make your life in this country as enjoyable as mine

TIL: Indonesia = barbaric.

100 percent right.

I agree to some point but the Left needs to start treating islamic extremism the say way it would treat the KKK. both preach hate....but the problem is the Left has allowed these groups to grow to the extent they have.
i think the Events of Paris should be a wakeup call .for the left to realise just how destructive islamic extremists can be.
The Left needs to start recognizing that their constiuency would also be under threat from these groups

Edited by Socawho: 15/11/2015 12:43:31 PM

To say that ISIS is indicative of Islam is as logical as saying that the KKK is indicative of Christianity. Banning Islam would only a) Make Australia a bigger target, and b) piss off moderate muslims that may turn to extremism in order to defend their faith. There needs to be a bigger, better Muslim backlash against these extremists but in the Middle East itself it is almost impossible. There is too much destabilization and theocratic encroachment for any intelligent liberal movements to last in the Middle East, so therefore the only progressive Muslim voices emanate from the West which is viewed in the Middle East as the perpetual enemy, rendering their progressive dialogue as heretical white noise.

I thought these people didnt have any documents.

dat source :oops:

hes too busy on the golf course to give a shit whats goin on

Edited by Socawho: 15/11/2015 10:18:44 AM

the key is reforming it so it is line with current times...the problem is some people follow it literally to the letter. the majority dont but the ones that do are the ones you need to look out for .
its a bit hard to ban when its an idealology...i could be a christian one day , muslim the next.


and its just counterproductive to ban the entire religion. you need to identify the extreme ones then weed em out and maintain the moderates who are ok.

Edited by Socawho: 15/11/2015 10:19:42 AM

Rabbi preaching the immigration invasion of Europe and the destruction of Christianity is excellent news for the jews.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0c3_1441769526

Rather prophetic........

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You're right, if we ban it they'll go into hiding. Need to know who they are.
But as much as it draws the ire or people here who actually still think taking a democratic stance or giving sympathy to the majority is the way, wake up and smell the roses people. It's not a minority problem, its the teachings of a religion.

Edited by MrBrisbane: 17/3/2016 10:08:30 PM

Edited by MrBrisbane: 17/3/2016 09:59:08 PM

Actually a lot of people predicted it. But whenever someone speak out they are labelled racist xenophobes :lol:

If people want to wear rose coloured glasses and just let 100,000+ people onto a continent they'll ultimately pay the price.

If you notice right next to where i wrote "Salon" I put in a facepalm emoji to say I disagree with the article for using the terror attack to attack and slander the right.

As far as your points in the above, I generally agree with you and had a very similar experience with At my house we have a spare room and we occasionally let international students stay, for the last 4 months we had a Saudi guy. He described himself as a moderate, hasn't read the quran, never really prayed, only went to the mosque on holy days, like christians here, had sex before marriage, drinks and ate bacon. Sounds pretty moderate on these issues

However, despite saying he's against the killing of civilians, doesn't like ISIS or Al Qaeda, he supports the killing of people who draw Mohammed, wants all of the middle east to invade Israel to kill all the Jews and loves Hitler and wished he won the war.

Ofcourse this is just one guy, so it would be tough to use this as a stretch to all Saudi's, however polls do indicate that he probably is a moderate. And if thats the case we need to redefine moderate for muslims. A christian gets called a fundamentalist is they aren't pro gay marriage, pro choice and go to church once a week, a complete double standard. The Westboro Baptists would be moderate muslims.

FMD, Infowars :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

OBAMA CLAIMS ISIS “CONTAINED” DAY BEFORE PARIS ATTACKS



http://www.infowars.com/obama-claims-isis-contained-day-before-paris-attacks/

Since your post followed mine, I wonder if you can specify anything that I wrote that fits the definition of "hate".

The liberal left gives a different twist to the word "hate" to mean anyone who has a different opinion. I hope you're not defining "hate" as anything that disagrees with you.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/and_so_the_hate_speech_begins_let_paris_be_the_end_of_the_rights_violent_language_toward_activists/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Salon #-o

Edited by tbitm: 15/11/2015 02:05:28 AM

I hope to show you that you're the one drawing a long bow, if you're a person willing to shift your stance when you hear and understand reason.

Yours is a long bow because you assume that the behaviour of a mass population is the sole result of the sentiments of the people. By your reasoning, if the average Communist-Chinese citizen is a nice peace-loving person, then Communist China can't possibly pose a war-threat. That is the bow you have drawn, and I hope you can see that.

No. People are like sheep. In spite of their personal feelings, they submit to rulership and governments.

The average Muslim, upon hearing the awful things in the Koran, does not feel inclined to leave Islam. They stick to it because they see Islam as their culture. They submit to the precepts of Islam.

Historically, over 1400 years, the nature of the rulership of Islam changes as it grows larger.

SocaWho, do you think the average Saudi Arabian is a raving Middle-Ages thinker who insists on stoning etc. No, but they submit to a system because they submit to their concept of Allah.

e.g. Muslims I've met might detest violence -- but in the same dinner table conversation -- will affirm that Osama Bin Laden was a good man, because he was following the Koran. I've had that experience.

In summary, an Islamic rulership's nature will change as it becomes more dominant -- and the average Islamic person will go along with it because they see it is following the Koran and the Prophet Mohammed's example.

It is the rulership that changes as it becomes a majority.

That is how peace-loving Muslims submit to that evolving rulership.

Do you see the distinction I've made?

its drawing a long bow to say every peace loving muslim has a hidden agenda...until they become a majority.

Yes those poor sods thought showing compassion to refugees would conquer evil. It didn't.

It appears Tony Abbotts speech at the Thatcher event, which were widely lampooned on social media, might be entirely justified.

Some people in the media and in politics need to study-up on Islam -- and not from liberal scholars. Read books by people who tell it like it is.