For me absolutely.

Id like to think most are ok...but the Paris thing has made even going to a large shopping centre requiring a sense of vigilance. im going to be honest and say that with the bulk of the Syrians coming to Sydney its made it hit home even more since its where I live

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They're coming here to get away from that shit... Not start it here

You do realise that these people are FLEEING people like the Islamic State and Assad.

The biggest sufferers at the hands of the Islamic State are Muslims.

If it comforts you, a lot of the 1200 will probably be Christian. Not that it should matter but meh.

In any event, there's just as much chance that some Anglo-Saxon ranga with no friends will fall prey to the preaching of Islamic extremists. Oh wait. That has already happened.

For there to be any reasonable chance that among the asylum seekers a would-be terrorist may lurk, there would have to be a significantly higher number. The kind of number which we ought to be taking in.

And again, there's still every chance that some disenfranchised youth with no prior connection to Islam will be radicalised and end up doing something dreadful.

Are you scared of that happening? What measures do you propose are taken to prevent that from happening?

What i like to know is how will they find jobs. and what will set them back is the language barrier.
They will find it much more difficult to find jobs when their last name isnt Smith or Jones

People become disenfrachised when thry cant find work and rely on a welfare system that is becoming less and less generous

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There's lots of agencies out there that help refugees specifically with these kids of things :)
They do some seriously good work for refugees in Australia. I've had the pleasure of seeing some of that work very close to home.

my point being is that i think its less likely for them to be radicalized if they can find full time work

The onus is on our society not to be discriminatory.

In any event, Australia needs to grow. We need more young people in this country from everywhere. If they're from some of the most war-torn places on the planet, so be it.

If you really are worried about how the refugees will fare in Australia - you can be certain that even with language barriers or a low skill set they'll be much better off here than back in Syria.

But the question you've posed in the thread title is drawing a direct link between terrorism and Syrian immigration, which suggests to me that it's not the refugees who you're concerned for.

yes it does need to grow...yes we do need to take refugees...but not to the point where national security is the last priority.

Why should i place the needs of refugees above the needs of my own personal safety...especially after the events of Paris? Im not saying they are all terrorists...the prospect that there is possibilty of even one or two amongst them is concerning.
i think its concerning your trying to pigeonhole me into thinking its wrong to feel slightly concerned over safety

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Because the arrival of refugees isn't going to compromise your personal safety...

Nearly 500,000 Muslims live in Australia and have avoided radicalisation; the number that are truly 'radicalised' is probably in the dozens, maybe hundreds if we're being generous. If it were any more we'd be seeing plenty more acts of terrorism in Australia than we do at the moment.

Another 12,000 Muslims will be inconsequential when it comes to terrorism. A handful might be radicalised, and that will be utterly irrelevant to your 'personal safety.'

:roll: 'One or two' more radical Islamists in Australia will not affect your personal safety.

National security won't be any more imperiled as a result of taking in 1200 refugees for the reasons mentioned above.

youve got to be joking?
so what will it take ....a thousand more radicals to make unsafe in your books.

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The dozens (maybe hundreds) of radical Islamists who already live in Australia have managed - between them - a stabbing, a shooting, and an eighteen-person hostage situation. Five Australians have died as the result of Islamic terrorism; two of those were the terrorists themselves.

If every additional radical Islamist in the country poses such a threat, then why have the dozens (or hundreds, or however many it is) of radical Islamists in the Australia been so ineffective in creating acts of terror?

If you seriously think one or two more extremists in this country is going to tip the balance and make terrorism some sort of pervasive threat in Australian society, then the terrorists have already won.

You've bought into their fear campaign.

i dont agree with your assessment here, i think you believe we should accept whatever comes our way and just cop it sweet. oh well you have your view and i have mine so thats where ill leave it.

That this question is even being asked is a victory for the Islamic State.

By your own admission, if young Muslims cannot find work, they may become alienated and then radicalised. Do you not think that questions like this might help them become alienated? Do you not suppose that this kind of thinking may make it difficult for them to find work?

The Islamic State wants young Muslims to feel alienated. These kind of posts encourage that. You've fallen for the Islamic State's bait; hook, line and sinker.

Why do you think France has more terrorist attacks than other Western countries? To a large extent because they do an absolutely stellar job at making young Muslims feel alienated. They've been doing this for over a hundred years.

There's more chance that a homegrown terrorist will commit some atrocity than one of just 1200 Syrian refugees, fleeing the Islamic State and Assad, will do so. And even then the chance of dying as a result of a terrorist act in Australia is very, very slim.

You're far more likely to die in a car accident (God forbid).

Things like road safety, alcohol-related issues, drug-related issues, cancer, heart disease, bullying and depression are far more lethal for Australians.

That is - quite clearly - not what I'm saying at all. :oops:

Might be worth rereading my posts; perhaps by the time you've done so you'll have come up with a better response than "I'm all out of ideas - let's agree to disagree."

Let them in. Hatred breeds hate, as I'm learning right now.

I can guarantee that 99.999999% of them won't have even thought to bring warfare to Australia. They just want to get away from very shitty lives.

Yes it has made me more concerned. This is not the end of muslim violence against the west, it is only the start. Unfortunately we all know that the Parramatta and Paris shootings will happen again.

But it's more than that, its the growing influence of this horrendous ideaology in our peaceful society

I live in Western Sydney too. Do I want to send my girls to school with people who believe a book that tells Muslims to make war on non Muslims, or that it is ok for husbands to hit wives?

Do I want to send my girls to school with people who worship a "prophet" that Koran says fucked a 9 year old child?

Like hell I do.

At the very least, part of the migration process for all Muslims should be to sign something saying they denounce muhammed's ped0phila.

The american presidential candidate Ben Carson has said some stupid things recently , but I think he nailed it when he said that any jihadist leader who doesnt get his people into the refugees going to Europe, is basically guilty of malpractice.

It's also worth punting out the people convicted of the plot against Holdsworthy were all recently arrived migrants

Muhammad is only mentioned 4 times in the Koran, and none of these SAY he fucked a 9 year old child.

As for your other references, context is a pretty fantastic thing. For example christian, jewish texts from the same or previous time periods say quite similar things. These people (Apart from some impossibly hypocritical elements), have taken their meaning in the context of the time it was written. The modern follower of islam does the same.

Stop being an ignorant prick. I should have know when you started quoting Ben Carson....

As long as they're vetted correctly and go through all the same processes of checks/balances then I'm ok with it.

-PB

I hope you're right Blackmac79, trust me I hope you are really, really, really, REALLY REALLY hope you are right and I am Incredibly ignorant and stupid on this one. I genuinely do. I woul love nothing more than to find out I am wrong in about Md marrying Aisha when she was 6 and deflowering her when she was 9 and i say that without any sarcasm at all.

But from everything I can see, everything I can find I'm not wrong. And if there's something that someone can point me to that I haven't read yet, I'm happy to change my view.

I'm kinda more worried about the ice problem on the streets where nearly everyone knows of someone who has suffered from its effects, rather than terrorist attacks. Then again I might be a bleeding heart who volunteers helping out refugee kids with their homework after school in St Albans, they are very happy, intelligent children who love a good game of football.

Maybe in a couple years we could get a Socceroo or Matilda or two out of this lot?

The level of generalisations being made and illogical arguments being thrown around is astounding. Terrorism has always existed, and always will exist. Read some history books.

Unless you want to live in a Police State with zero freedoms, there will always be a risk of something terrible occurring. When all you need is a gun or a knife to create terror, there is no way you can be 100% safe. We have to decide what type of society we want to live in - if you really believe in values such as freedom, liberty, tolerance, then we have to uphold those values, not discard them in the face of terrorist acts.

IS has an openly stated strategy of provoking a crackdown on muslims in the west through these actions. Their goal is for muslims to be increasingly vilified, attacked and marginalised in the west, in order that they will be more likely to turn to groups like IS.

So think about this - every time you do or write something that vilifies or singles out muslims for criticism out of some fear of terrorism, you are actually doing what IS predicted you would do, and what they want you to do.

I think you make some valid points as you usually do...but i think parisians would feel safe living under a police state atm.
you do realise that after the attacks the other night there were some firecrackers that went off and people ran for their lives and it turned out to be a false alarm.
how can you not people to be fearful after whats happened?...its human nature. you cant dictate what people are feeling especially after what has happened. yes isis want this...but you cant expect people to just go about their daily lives and pretend nothinf happened

the paris attacks i believe has acheived a different mental objective compared to Sept 11.
Sept 11 was nonetheless savage yes...but it was aimed at key landmarks which was different. but the fact that the paris attacks occured in cafes, a football , a restaraunt has made it really possible that it can happen anywhere in suburbia or locally where you and me and average joe blow would be .
it might sound like fearmongering but not everyone is cut from the same clothe where they have the mental will to pretend nothing happened.
Some do gooders say yes it should be human right to accept every refugee out of compassion but they forget that its also a human right for anyone to go about their daily business without getting attacked

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exactly my point re the refugees.

But what if the bag of jelly beans were people trying to escape being killed in their homeland? And the chances of one of them killing anyone was really fucking low?