Let them in. Hatred breeds hate, as I'm learning right now.

I can guarantee that 99.999999% of them won't have even thought to bring warfare to Australia. They just want to get away from very shitty lives.

That is - quite clearly - not what I'm saying at all. :oops:

Might be worth rereading my posts; perhaps by the time you've done so you'll have come up with a better response than "I'm all out of ideas - let's agree to disagree."

That this question is even being asked is a victory for the Islamic State.

By your own admission, if young Muslims cannot find work, they may become alienated and then radicalised. Do you not think that questions like this might help them become alienated? Do you not suppose that this kind of thinking may make it difficult for them to find work?

The Islamic State wants young Muslims to feel alienated. These kind of posts encourage that. You've fallen for the Islamic State's bait; hook, line and sinker.

Why do you think France has more terrorist attacks than other Western countries? To a large extent because they do an absolutely stellar job at making young Muslims feel alienated. They've been doing this for over a hundred years.

There's more chance that a homegrown terrorist will commit some atrocity than one of just 1200 Syrian refugees, fleeing the Islamic State and Assad, will do so. And even then the chance of dying as a result of a terrorist act in Australia is very, very slim.

You're far more likely to die in a car accident (God forbid).

Things like road safety, alcohol-related issues, drug-related issues, cancer, heart disease, bullying and depression are far more lethal for Australians.

i dont agree with your assessment here, i think you believe we should accept whatever comes our way and just cop it sweet. oh well you have your view and i have mine so thats where ill leave it.

The dozens (maybe hundreds) of radical Islamists who already live in Australia have managed - between them - a stabbing, a shooting, and an eighteen-person hostage situation. Five Australians have died as the result of Islamic terrorism; two of those were the terrorists themselves.

If every additional radical Islamist in the country poses such a threat, then why have the dozens (or hundreds, or however many it is) of radical Islamists in the Australia been so ineffective in creating acts of terror?

If you seriously think one or two more extremists in this country is going to tip the balance and make terrorism some sort of pervasive threat in Australian society, then the terrorists have already won.

You've bought into their fear campaign.

youve got to be joking?
so what will it take ....a thousand more radicals to make unsafe in your books.

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National security won't be any more imperiled as a result of taking in 1200 refugees for the reasons mentioned above.

:roll: 'One or two' more radical Islamists in Australia will not affect your personal safety.

Because the arrival of refugees isn't going to compromise your personal safety...

Nearly 500,000 Muslims live in Australia and have avoided radicalisation; the number that are truly 'radicalised' is probably in the dozens, maybe hundreds if we're being generous. If it were any more we'd be seeing plenty more acts of terrorism in Australia than we do at the moment.

Another 12,000 Muslims will be inconsequential when it comes to terrorism. A handful might be radicalised, and that will be utterly irrelevant to your 'personal safety.'

Why should i place the needs of refugees above the needs of my own personal safety...especially after the events of Paris? Im not saying they are all terrorists...the prospect that there is possibilty of even one or two amongst them is concerning.
i think its concerning your trying to pigeonhole me into thinking its wrong to feel slightly concerned over safety

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yes it does need to grow...yes we do need to take refugees...but not to the point where national security is the last priority.

If you really are worried about how the refugees will fare in Australia - you can be certain that even with language barriers or a low skill set they'll be much better off here than back in Syria.

But the question you've posed in the thread title is drawing a direct link between terrorism and Syrian immigration, which suggests to me that it's not the refugees who you're concerned for.

The onus is on our society not to be discriminatory.

In any event, Australia needs to grow. We need more young people in this country from everywhere. If they're from some of the most war-torn places on the planet, so be it.

my point being is that i think its less likely for them to be radicalized if they can find full time work

There's lots of agencies out there that help refugees specifically with these kids of things :)
They do some seriously good work for refugees in Australia. I've had the pleasure of seeing some of that work very close to home.

What i like to know is how will they find jobs. and what will set them back is the language barrier.
They will find it much more difficult to find jobs when their last name isnt Smith or Jones

People become disenfrachised when thry cant find work and rely on a welfare system that is becoming less and less generous

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You do realise that these people are FLEEING people like the Islamic State and Assad.

The biggest sufferers at the hands of the Islamic State are Muslims.

If it comforts you, a lot of the 1200 will probably be Christian. Not that it should matter but meh.

In any event, there's just as much chance that some Anglo-Saxon ranga with no friends will fall prey to the preaching of Islamic extremists. Oh wait. That has already happened.

For there to be any reasonable chance that among the asylum seekers a would-be terrorist may lurk, there would have to be a significantly higher number. The kind of number which we ought to be taking in.

And again, there's still every chance that some disenfranchised youth with no prior connection to Islam will be radicalised and end up doing something dreadful.

Are you scared of that happening? What measures do you propose are taken to prevent that from happening?

They're coming here to get away from that shit... Not start it here

For me absolutely.

Id like to think most are ok...but the Paris thing has made even going to a large shopping centre requiring a sense of vigilance. im going to be honest and say that with the bulk of the Syrians coming to Sydney its made it hit home even more since its where I live

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