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Quote:Ecuador has agreed to allow Wikileaks founder Julian Assange to be questioned by the Swedish authorities at the Ecuadorean embassy in London. Mr Assange took refuge there three years ago to avoid extradition to Sweden on charges of sexual assault against two women in 2010. He denies the accusations and says he fears Sweden would extradite him to the United States for possible trial there. In 2010 Wikileaks published a huge number of US classified documents. Britain has accused Ecuador of perverting the course of justice by allowing Mr Assange to remain in its embassy. A spokeswoman for the Foreign Office said, "It is for the Swedish prosecutor to decide how they now proceed with the legal case." The agreement was signed in Ecuador after about six months of investigations. The co-ordinator of Mr Assange's international legal defence team, Baltasar Garzon said, "Julian Assange's rights need to be respected by Sweden and the United Kingdom. These countries have failed to do so until now. "Julian Assange's only demands are that his fundamental rights are acknowledged and respected, including the asylum granted to him by Ecuador." According to the British news agency PA, it is unlikely Mr Assange will be questioned by Sweden until the New Year. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-35089041
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Isn't he getting questioned over a rape or something?
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BETHFC wrote:Isn't he getting questioned over a rape or something? Yes, he is accused of having raped two women and has been hiding out to avoid extradition to Sweden to face the charges.
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Forgot this bloke even existed. The guy has practically been under house arrest for the past few years. Surely he could claim time served :d
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Scotch&Coke wrote:Forgot this bloke even existed. The guy has practically been under house arrest for the past few years. Surely he could claim time served :d Not at Guantanomo
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biscuitman1871 wrote:BETHFC wrote:Isn't he getting questioned over a rape or something? Yes, he is accused of having raped two women and has been hiding out to avoid extradition to Sweden to face the charges. there no criminal charges ...he been wanted for question (he not been charge with any Crime) Assange maintain that Sweden could question him in England, and that for Sweden to put a Europol arrest warrant on Assange was designed to get Assange into custody so that he could then be extradited to USA for WikiLeaks, Edited by adrtho: 15/12/2015 03:19:47 AM
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On 20 August 2010, two women, a 26-year-old living in Enköping and a 31-year-old living in Stockholm,[3][4] went together to the Swedish police in order to track Assange down and persuade him to be tested for sexually transmitted diseases after having separate sexual encounters with him.[5] The police told them that they could not simply tell Assange to take a test, but that their statements would be passed to the prosecutor.[6] Later that day, the duty prosecutor ordered the arrest of Julian Assange on the suspicion of rape and molestation.[7] The next day, the case was transferred to Chefsåklagare (Chief Public Prosecutor) Eva Finné. In answer to questions surrounding the incidents, the following day, Finné declared, "I don't think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape." However, Karin Rosander from the Swedish Prosecution Authority, said Assange remained suspected of molestation. Police gave no further comment at that time, but continued the investigation The preliminary investigation concerning suspected rape was discontinued by Finné on 25 August,[7] but two days later Claes Borgström, the attorney representing the two women, requested a review of the prosecutor's decision to terminate part of the investigation.[7][10] On 30 August, Assange was questioned by the Stockholm police regarding the allegations of sexual molestation.[11][12] He denied the allegations, saying he had consensual sexual encounters with the two women.[9][13][14] Investigation reinstated[edit] On 1 September 2010, Överåklagare (Director of Public Prosecution) Marianne Ny decided to resume the preliminary investigation concerning all of the original allegations. On 18 August 2010, Assange had applied for a work and residence permit in Sweden.[15][16] On 18 October 2010, his request was denied.[15][16][17] He left Sweden on 27 September 2010.[18] The Swedish authorities have asserted that this is the same day that they notified Assange's lawyer of his imminent arrest. Arrest warrant[edit] On 18 November 2010, Marianne Ny ordered the detention of Julian Assange on suspicion of rape, three cases of sexual molestation and unlawful coercion. The Stockholm District Court acceded to the order and issued a European Arrest Warrant to execute it.[7] The warrant was appealed to the Svea Court of Appeal which upheld it but lowered it to suspicion of rape of a lesser degree, unlawful coercion and two cases of sexual molestation rather than three,[20][21] and the warrant was also appealed to the Supreme Court of Sweden,[22] which decided not to hear the case. At this time Assange had been living in the United Kingdom for 1–2 months. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_Authorityby the look of it. the arrest warrant has expired for three cases of sexual molestation and unlawful coercion , and now Sweden will question Assange on rape on which the 1st chief Public Prosecutor Eva Finné said at the start that she doesn see reason to suspect that he has committed rape
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adrtho wrote:On 20 August 2010, two women, a 26-year-old living in Enköping and a 31-year-old living in Stockholm,[3][4] went together to the Swedish police in order to track Assange down and persuade him to be tested for sexually transmitted diseases after having separate sexual encounters with him.[5] The police told them that they could not simply tell Assange to take a test, but that their statements would be passed to the prosecutor.[6] Later that day, the duty prosecutor ordered the arrest of Julian Assange on the suspicion of rape and molestation.[7] The next day, the case was transferred to Chefsåklagare (Chief Public Prosecutor) Eva Finné. In answer to questions surrounding the incidents, the following day, Finné declared, "I don't think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape." However, Karin Rosander from the Swedish Prosecution Authority, said Assange remained suspected of molestation. Police gave no further comment at that time, but continued the investigation The preliminary investigation concerning suspected rape was discontinued by Finné on 25 August,[7] but two days later Claes Borgström, the attorney representing the two women, requested a review of the prosecutor's decision to terminate part of the investigation.[7][10] On 30 August, Assange was questioned by the Stockholm police regarding the allegations of sexual molestation.[11][12] He denied the allegations, saying he had consensual sexual encounters with the two women.[9][13][14] Investigation reinstated[edit] On 1 September 2010, Överåklagare (Director of Public Prosecution) Marianne Ny decided to resume the preliminary investigation concerning all of the original allegations. On 18 August 2010, Assange had applied for a work and residence permit in Sweden.[15][16] On 18 October 2010, his request was denied.[15][16][17] He left Sweden on 27 September 2010.[18] The Swedish authorities have asserted that this is the same day that they notified Assange's lawyer of his imminent arrest. Arrest warrant[edit] On 18 November 2010, Marianne Ny ordered the detention of Julian Assange on suspicion of rape, three cases of sexual molestation and unlawful coercion. The Stockholm District Court acceded to the order and issued a European Arrest Warrant to execute it.[7] The warrant was appealed to the Svea Court of Appeal which upheld it but lowered it to suspicion of rape of a lesser degree, unlawful coercion and two cases of sexual molestation rather than three,[20][21] and the warrant was also appealed to the Supreme Court of Sweden,[22] which decided not to hear the case. At this time Assange had been living in the United Kingdom for 1–2 months. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_Authorityby the look of it. the arrest warrant has expired for three cases of sexual molestation and unlawful coercion , and now Sweden will question Assange on rape on which the 1st chief Public Prosecutor Eva Finné said at the start that she doesn see reason to suspect that he has committed rape [youtube]YI8a7cI-NHg[/youtube]
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Sweden is a very liberal progressive country. Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy.
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biscuitman1871 wrote:BETHFC wrote:Isn't he getting questioned over a rape or something? Yes, he is accused of having raped two women and has been hiding out to avoid extradition to Sweden to face the charges. Yeah and if he did go outside the embassy for questioning the next we see of him is his name in a record of guantanamo bay ten years down the track.
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Socceroofan4life wrote:biscuitman1871 wrote:BETHFC wrote:Isn't he getting questioned over a rape or something? Yes, he is accused of having raped two women and has been hiding out to avoid extradition to Sweden to face the charges. Yeah and if he did go outside the embassy for questioning the next we see of him is his name in a record of guantanamo bay ten years down the track. you reckon? https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/julian-assange-unlikely-to-face-us-charges-over-publishing-classified-documents/2013/11/25/dd27decc-55f1-11e3-8304-caf30787c0a9_story.html
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adrtho wrote:biscuitman1871 wrote:BETHFC wrote:Isn't he getting questioned over a rape or something? Yes, he is accused of having raped two women and has been hiding out to avoid extradition to Sweden to face the charges. there no criminal charges ...he been wanted for question (he not been charge with any Crime) Assange maintain that Sweden could question him in England, and that for Sweden to put a Europol arrest warrant on Assange was designed to get Assange into custody so that he could then be extradited to USA for WikiLeaks, Edited by adrtho: 15/12/2015 03:19:47 AM correct
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He wouldn't still be in the embassy otherwise. Sweden can't do shit while he's in london without US support lol
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he in the embassy still, because he now broke UK bail laws , he will be arrested for this
i don't like Julian Assange, i think he left wing twat...but as Australia government officials said at the time, it was US fuck up (embarrassment) , it was US signed personnel who stole the documents
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trident wrote:Sweden is a very liberal progressive country. Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy. Sweden is out of control.
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scott21 wrote:trident wrote:Sweden is a very liberal progressive country. Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy. Sweden is out of control. Have you been there lately?
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trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:Sweden is a very liberal progressive country. Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy. Sweden is out of control. Have you been there lately? Yes
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scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:Sweden is a very liberal progressive country. Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy. Sweden is out of control. Have you been there lately? Yes Explain :)
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trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:Sweden is a very liberal progressive country. Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy. Sweden is out of control. Have you been there lately? Yes Explain :) I live in Sweden with my Swedish wife. I have lived in Sweden longer than have Sydney FC existed and probably arrived here when you were still in kindergarten. Edited by scott21: 15/12/2015 07:21:31 PM
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scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:Sweden is a very liberal progressive country. Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy. Sweden is out of control. Have you been there lately? Yes Explain :) I live in Sweden with my Swedish wife. I have lived in Sweden longer than have Sydney FC existed and probably arrived here when you were still in kindergarten. Edited by scott21: 15/12/2015 07:21:31 PM Explain how Sweden is "out of control". It sound like you've been here a very long time. :) There are others on this forum with vast Swedish experience. :)
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trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:Sweden is a very liberal progressive country. Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy. Sweden is out of control. Have you been there lately? Yes Explain :) I live in Sweden with my Swedish wife. I have lived in Sweden longer than have Sydney FC existed and probably arrived here when you were still in kindergarten. Edited by scott21: 15/12/2015 07:21:31 PM Explain how Sweden is "out of control". It sound like you've been here a very long time. :) There are others on this forum with vast Swedish experience. :) Don't believe everything you read in the vänster media.
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scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:Sweden is a very liberal progressive country. Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy. Sweden is out of control. Have you been there lately? Yes Explain :) I live in Sweden with my Swedish wife. I have lived in Sweden longer than have Sydney FC existed and probably arrived here when you were still in kindergarten. lol.
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u4486662 wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:Sweden is a very liberal progressive country. Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy. Sweden is out of control. Have you been there lately? Yes Explain :) I live in Sweden with my Swedish wife. I have lived in Sweden longer than have Sydney FC existed and probably arrived here when you were still in kindergarten. lol. I think there isn't a doubt about that.
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scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:Sweden is a very liberal progressive country. Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy. Sweden is out of control. Have you been there lately? Yes Explain :) I live in Sweden with my Swedish wife. I have lived in Sweden longer than have Sydney FC existed and probably arrived here when you were still in kindergarten. Edited by scott21: 15/12/2015 07:21:31 PM Explain how Sweden is "out of control". It sound like you've been here a very long time. :) There are others on this forum with vast Swedish experience. :) Don't believe everything you read in the vänster media. You're accusing the left wing media of being wrong so am I to read the right wing media for an accurate account on Sweden in 2015, or could I just ask you? Please explain how Sweden is out of control. :)
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trident wrote:
You're accusing the left wing media of being wrong so am I to read the right wing media for an accurate account on Sweden in 2015, or could I just ask you?
Please explain how Sweden is out of control. :)
Anyone who writes things like Quote:trident wrote:Try this out today. Its a good way to unfriend closet racists :)
and Quote: Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy. Is not going to understand. Youre like the most unliberal liberal there is Edited by scott21: 15/12/2015 11:09:58 PM
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If Sweden ever interview Assange, is he going to have to assemble the furniture in the interview room himself??
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scott21 wrote:trident wrote:
You're accusing the left wing media of being wrong so am I to read the right wing media for an accurate account on Sweden in 2015, or could I just ask you?
Please explain how Sweden is out of control. :)
Anyone who writes things like Quote:trident wrote:Try this out today. Its a good way to unfriend closet racists :)
and Quote: Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy. Is not going to understand. Youre like the most unliberal liberal there is Edited by scott21: 15/12/2015 11:09:58 PM You make a lot of edits. Its quite difficult to follow your line of thinking when you persist editing your posts. :)
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 You assume guilt for this ^ man but you defend the white male. Has he been formally charged with anything?
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trident wrote: You assume guilt for this ^ man but you defend the white male. Has he been formally charged with anything? So Cosby is innocent, Julian is guilty, people in Australia are racist and you are not open to discussion with people who dont share your political views?
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scott21 wrote:trident wrote: You assume guilt for this ^ man but you defend the white male. Has he been formally charged with anything? So Cosby is innocent, Julian is guilty, people in Australia are racist and you are not open to discussion with people who dont share your political views? I dont know who is guilty and who is innocent. However one man has been charged and the other hasnt. What do you think is more likely? :)
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trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote: You assume guilt for this ^ man but you defend the white male. Has he been formally charged with anything? So Cosby is innocent, Julian is guilty, people in Australia are racist and you are not open to discussion with people who dont share your political views? I dont know who is guilty and who is innocent. However one man has been charged and the other hasnt. What do you think is more likely? :) Americans put pressure on the Swedish government. What is all this "white male" crap you keep saying?
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scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote: You assume guilt for this ^ man but you defend the white male. Has he been formally charged with anything? So Cosby is innocent, Julian is guilty, people in Australia are racist and you are not open to discussion with people who dont share your political views? I dont know who is guilty and who is innocent. However one man has been charged and the other hasnt. What do you think is more likely? :) Americans put pressure on the Swedish government. What is all this "white male" crap you keep saying? I dont think you can prove any of that. Anyway, I thought Sweden was "out of control" as you put it.
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trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote: You assume guilt for this ^ man but you defend the white male. Has he been formally charged with anything? So Cosby is innocent, Julian is guilty, people in Australia are racist and you are not open to discussion with people who dont share your political views? I dont know who is guilty and who is innocent. However one man has been charged and the other hasnt. What do you think is more likely? :) Americans put pressure on the Swedish government. What is all this "white male" crap you keep saying? I dont think you can prove any of that. Anyway, I thought Sweden was "out of control" as you put it. You just called me a racist you dumb f*ck, f*ck u
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scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote: You assume guilt for this ^ man but you defend the white male. Has he been formally charged with anything? So Cosby is innocent, Julian is guilty, people in Australia are racist and you are not open to discussion with people who dont share your political views? I dont know who is guilty and who is innocent. However one man has been charged and the other hasnt. What do you think is more likely? :) Americans put pressure on the Swedish government. What is all this "white male" crap you keep saying? I dont think you can prove any of that. Anyway, I thought Sweden was "out of control" as you put it. You just called me a racist you dumb f*ck, f*ck u Did I? I dont think so. :)
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trident wrote:
Did I? I dont think so.
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Quote:You assume guilt for this ^ man but you defend the white male you mean I assume one is innocent because he is white and the other is guilty because he is black. Much like you called Australians racist Quote: Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy.
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scott21 wrote:trident wrote:
Did I? I dont think so.
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Quote:You assume guilt for this ^ man but you defend the white male you mean I assume one is innocent because he is white and the other is guilty because he is black. Much like you called Australians racist Quote: Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy.
You called yourself racist and you called Australians racist. I didnt :) Maybe I helped you find yourself :)
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Yibbida Yibbida Ricey :lol:
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scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:scott21 wrote:trident wrote:Sweden is a very liberal progressive country. Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy. Sweden is out of control. Have you been there lately? Yes Explain :) I live in Sweden with my Swedish wife. I have lived in Sweden longer than have Sydney FC existed and probably arrived here when you were still in kindergarten. Edited by scott21: 15/12/2015 07:21:31 PM [size=8]Explain how Sweden is "out of control".[/size] It sound like you've been here a very long time. :) There are others on this forum with vast Swedish experience. :) Don't believe everything you read in the vänster media. Still waiting for an answer here
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This little exchange has confirmed his identity for sure. This is his classic modus operandi.
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trident wrote:Sweden is a very liberal progressive country. Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy. Worst post this forum has ever seen. This is what is wrong with kids these days.
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BETHFC wrote:trident wrote:Sweden is a very liberal progressive country. Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy. Worst post this forum has ever seen. This is what is wrong with kids these days. Its definitely ricecrackers. I'm now convinced. He's trolling.
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People like trident are part of the reason I don't like calling myself left wing.
For the first time, but certainly not the last, I began to believe that Arsenals moods and fortunes somehow reflected my own. - Hornby
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:u4486662 wrote:BETHFC wrote:trident wrote:Sweden is a very liberal progressive country. Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy. Worst post this forum has ever seen. This is what is wrong with kids these days. Its definitely ricecrackers. I'm now convinced. He's trolling. You mean you weren't convinced before? I have to confess, BETH called him out for crackers a long time ago and then all the pieces fell into place. Even his assumed name makes sense too. Props to you =d>
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:u4486662 wrote:BETHFC wrote:trident wrote:Sweden is a very liberal progressive country. Assange is a hero in Australia probably because of his white privilege. Imagine if he was black and facing these allegations. I sincerely doubt he'd be afforded the same sympathy. Worst post this forum has ever seen. This is what is wrong with kids these days. Its definitely ricecrackers. I'm now convinced. He's trolling. You mean you weren't convinced before? I was highly suspicious when I noticed he would start sentences with a lower case and when I pointed that out he stopped doing it. also the highlighting of people's text by enlarging it rather than bolding is classic crackers. His hatred of white Australians is also rather evident.
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salmonfc wrote:People like trident are part of the reason I don't like calling myself left wing. He's not left wing so you don't need to worry.
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salmonfc wrote:People like trident are part of the reason I don't like calling myself left wing. Work on your right foot then
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mcjules wrote:salmonfc wrote:People like trident are part of the reason I don't like calling myself left wing. He's not left wing so you don't need to worry. His parody alter-ego trident is classically a leftist authoritarian.
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Buggalugs - you should have listened... wrote:salmonfc wrote:People like trident are part of the reason I don't like calling myself left wing. Work on your right foot then Will pay that.
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u4486662 wrote:mcjules wrote:salmonfc wrote:People like trident are part of the reason I don't like calling myself left wing. He's not left wing so you don't need to worry. His parody alter-ego trident is classically a leftist authoritarian. Yes I meant he's a parody and not genuine. Just like ricey's posts lacked sincerity.
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u4486662 wrote:mcjules wrote:salmonfc wrote:People like trident are part of the reason I don't like calling myself left wing. He's not left wing so you don't need to worry. His parody alter-ego trident is classically a leftist authoritarian. Is there such a thing as leftist libertarianism? I was under the assumption that libertarians are (slightly) right wing. Edited by salmonfc: 17/12/2015 01:51:33 PM
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salmonfc wrote:u4486662 wrote:mcjules wrote:salmonfc wrote:People like trident are part of the reason I don't like calling myself left wing. He's not left wing so you don't need to worry. His parody alter-ego trident is classically a leftist authoritarian. Is there such a thing as leftist libertarianism? I was under the assumption that libertarians are (slightly) right wing. Of course, the Greens are as well as a number of smaller parties like the Pirate Party and the Australian Sex Party.
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salmonfc wrote:u4486662 wrote:mcjules wrote:salmonfc wrote:People like trident are part of the reason I don't like calling myself left wing. He's not left wing so you don't need to worry. His parody alter-ego trident is classically a leftist authoritarian. Is there such a thing as leftist libertarianism? I was under the assumption that libertarians are (slightly) right wing. Edited by salmonfc: 17/12/2015 01:51:33 PM "libertarians" are small government and right leaning. A non-authoritarian leftist is a social democrat. Most of the younger posters on here are this way. They believe in the social distribution of wealth and social services but also civil libertarians who believe largely in freedom of association, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, gay marriage etc. A leftist authoritarian believes free speech should be curtailed if it hurts people's feelings, that the population should be culled and people should be restricted from breeding too much and that controversial figures should not be allowed to speak freely or enter the country lest they might hurt a poor soul's precious feelings.
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mcjules wrote:salmonfc wrote:u4486662 wrote:mcjules wrote:salmonfc wrote:People like trident are part of the reason I don't like calling myself left wing. He's not left wing so you don't need to worry. His parody alter-ego trident is classically a leftist authoritarian. Is there such a thing as leftist libertarianism? I was under the assumption that libertarians are (slightly) right wing. Of course, the Greens are as well as a number of smaller parties like the Pirate Party and the Australian Sex Party. The Greens are definitely not a Libertarian Left party - they have Libertarian values on a very very small range of issues (such as Internet Privacy only when it relates to privacy from government and corporations), but they also advocate extremely Authoritarian stances in the majority of their policies. Things may change slightly under Di Natale as he is by far the most pragmatic leader that The Greens have ever had, but they have a long way to go to be considered Libertarian. The closest to a Left Libertarian party in Australia is The Sex Party, although even they fall prey to their Authoritarian SJW base at times. They are doing the best work for personal liberty in Victoria out of any of the parties at the moment, including being instrumental in legislating a buffer zone around abortion centres.
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u4486662 wrote:salmonfc wrote:u4486662 wrote:mcjules wrote:salmonfc wrote:People like trident are part of the reason I don't like calling myself left wing. He's not left wing so you don't need to worry. His parody alter-ego trident is classically a leftist authoritarian. Is there such a thing as leftist libertarianism? I was under the assumption that libertarians are (slightly) right wing. Edited by salmonfc: 17/12/2015 01:51:33 PM "libertarians" are small government and right leaning. A non-authoritarian leftist is a social democrat. Most of the younger posters on here are this way. They believe in the social distribution of wealth and social services but also civil libertarians who believe largely in freedom of association, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, gay marriage etc. A leftist authoritarian believes free speech should be curtailed if it hurts people's feelings, that the population should be culled and people should be restricted from breeding too much and that controversial figures should not be allowed to speak freely or enter the country lest they might hurt a poor soul's precious feelings. You believe its ok to shout fire in a crowded theatre then, good luck with that. I stand with the political stance of fine 442 moderators like paladisious :)
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notorganic wrote:mcjules wrote:salmonfc wrote:u4486662 wrote:mcjules wrote:salmonfc wrote:People like trident are part of the reason I don't like calling myself left wing. He's not left wing so you don't need to worry. His parody alter-ego trident is classically a leftist authoritarian. Is there such a thing as leftist libertarianism? I was under the assumption that libertarians are (slightly) right wing. Of course, the Greens are as well as a number of smaller parties like the Pirate Party and the Australian Sex Party. The Greens are definitely not a Libertarian Left party - they have Libertarian values on a very very small range of issues (such as Internet Privacy only when it relates to privacy from government and corporations), but they also advocate extremely Authoritarian stances in the majority of their policies. Things may change slightly under Di Natale as he is by far the most pragmatic leader that The Greens have ever had, but they have a long way to go to be considered Libertarian. The closest to a Left Libertarian party in Australia is The Sex Party, although even they fall prey to their Authoritarian SJW base at times. They are doing the best work for personal liberty in Victoria out of any of the parties at the moment, including being instrumental in legislating a buffer zone around abortion centres. I agree but I will say there's no black or white with this lots of shades of grey. It's why the labels are dumb.
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u4486662 wrote:salmonfc wrote:u4486662 wrote:mcjules wrote:salmonfc wrote:People like trident are part of the reason I don't like calling myself left wing. He's not left wing so you don't need to worry. His parody alter-ego trident is classically a leftist authoritarian. Is there such a thing as leftist libertarianism? I was under the assumption that libertarians are (slightly) right wing. Edited by salmonfc: 17/12/2015 01:51:33 PM "libertarians" are small government and right leaning. A non-authoritarian leftist is a social democrat. Most of the younger posters on here are this way. They believe in the social distribution of wealth and social services but also civil libertarians who believe largely in freedom of association, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, gay marriage etc. A leftist authoritarian believes free speech should be curtailed if it hurts people's feelings, that the population should be culled and people should be restricted from breeding too much and that controversial figures should not be allowed to speak freely or enter the country lest they might hurt a poor soul's precious feelings. Yes a Social Democrate is centre left. Leftist authoritarian is a communist or in some cases feminist. The trouble with these types is they tend to think centre right people are extremists like the far right.
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notorganic wrote:mcjules wrote:salmonfc wrote:u4486662 wrote:mcjules wrote:salmonfc wrote:People like trident are part of the reason I don't like calling myself left wing. He's not left wing so you don't need to worry. His parody alter-ego trident is classically a leftist authoritarian. Is there such a thing as leftist libertarianism? I was under the assumption that libertarians are (slightly) right wing. Of course, the Greens are as well as a number of smaller parties like the Pirate Party and the Australian Sex Party. The Greens are definitely not a Libertarian Left party - they have Libertarian values on a very very small range of issues (such as Internet Privacy only when it relates to privacy from government and corporations), but they also advocate extremely Authoritarian stances in the majority of their policies. Things may change slightly under Di Natale as he is by far the most pragmatic leader that The Greens have ever had, but they have a long way to go to be considered Libertarian. The closest to a Left Libertarian party in Australia is The Sex Party, although even they fall prey to their Authoritarian SJW base at times. They are doing the best work for personal liberty in Victoria out of any of the parties at the moment, including being instrumental in legislating a buffer zone around abortion centres. The Greens are about as far from Libertarian as any party in Australia, old school Stalinists with a hippy veneer.
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BETHFC wrote:Isn't he getting questioned over a rape or something? Leftists are pro-rape when it is one of their own, even someone as vile as Roman Polanski.
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scott21 wrote:u4486662 wrote:salmonfc wrote:u4486662 wrote:mcjules wrote:salmonfc wrote:People like trident are part of the reason I don't like calling myself left wing. He's not left wing so you don't need to worry. His parody alter-ego trident is classically a leftist authoritarian. Is there such a thing as leftist libertarianism? I was under the assumption that libertarians are (slightly) right wing. Edited by salmonfc: 17/12/2015 01:51:33 PM "libertarians" are small government and right leaning. A non-authoritarian leftist is a social democrat. Most of the younger posters on here are this way. They believe in the social distribution of wealth and social services but also civil libertarians who believe largely in freedom of association, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, gay marriage etc. A leftist authoritarian believes free speech should be curtailed if it hurts people's feelings, that the population should be culled and people should be restricted from breeding too much and that controversial figures should not be allowed to speak freely or enter the country lest they might hurt a poor soul's precious feelings. Yes a Social Democrate is centre left. Leftist authoritarian is a communist or in some cases feminist. The trouble with these types is they tend to think centre right people are extremists like the far right. Nice deflection. So how is it that Sweden is "out of control"?
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