it's clear the new car of today, tomorrow and the future , will be all about the Computer code and battery...

why would the car manufacturers of the last 100 years, suddenly become expert at computers coding , how can they change 100 year , with in 5 year

Toyota, General Motors, Ford, Volkswagen, Nissan   , Fiat, Renault, Daimler...they are all dead

You are right.

Tesla is the future.

Electric cars FTW :) :) :)

Cars already require many computers to run. Switching from an combustion engine to an electric engine would not vastly change the amount of control systems that are required. It most probably simplify your control as you only need a control points for how much energy your drawing through the electric motor to replace the many control points for a combustion engine: combustion heat and pressure, injection pressure, air intake, spark timing, etc.

but it's not just Electric cars ...it the cars become computers...Tesla new autopilot is learning as you drive

when you look at what happen to all the mobile phone manufacturers, Nokia , Ericsson, they are all dead because they was never software developer...replace by Android (google) Apple , Microsoft

how the fuck can ford survive :lol:

computers not the same as software ,,,billions of line of software code is going to go into cars soon

Its great, we wont need to drive which is a good thing as people make mistakes. Computers make better decisions.
Self driving cars are the best invention ever.

The carbon based cars will die out like the dinosaurs and take a few manufacturers with them :)

good for old people, they can have a nap :lol:

also, drink and autopilot drive home..."i wasnn't driving constable, the computer was "




Edited by adrtho: 3/1/2016 07:16:46 PM

Computers don't do anything without software. I'm not sure what your point is? The big car manufacturers already hire software developers (or contract others to provide it for them), what exactly is going to be different?

they do? i can see the job dilemma now for software developers..Google, Apple, Telsa or Ford

the company that does the best software, will be the biggest sellers of cars

Yep plus the finance sector , defence etc. It's one of the things I like about being a developer is that there is a lot of different possibilities.

I would say it's already like that, manufacturers that already have better code produce cars with improved safety and fuel economy which are factors that people weigh up when purchasing cars.

Cars have already been using computers for decades the top manufacturers had no trouble adjusting, of course the real quality of cars is down to the mechanics, engineering and interior finishes in which computer companies have no experience

do you work at DSTO?

as i said above , Nokia had Software developers , but it was still killed with in 3 years by Apple and Google (Android) phones if car manufacturer doesn't become a software 1st type of company, it be dead

Tesla already showing this is not the case anymore ...Tesla is a battery-software company .. Tesla already value at 50% of Ford market cap

They should have been allowed to die anyway post GFC. The amount of money they got as a dying industry was obscene.

I think you are underestimating the level of software that is generated specifically for the development of cars.

VW is in trouble because they wrote programs into their diesel cars to manipulate the engine performance during testing so that it could detect what was being tested and run the engine in such a way so as to appear to meet the levels of performance that they claimed without actually doing so.

It is not like the big companies are going to be blindsided by Tesla and Google in producing technologies. They are already active in creating their own electric (or equivalent) and autonomous cars. Daimler and Toyota both have had collaborations with, and owned stakes in, Tesla to produce electric cars.

I think you're under estimating the amount software that will come....as i said, Ford will need to become a software company...

in 2013, the Model S (Tesla) was the top selling car in the full-size luxury sedan category in the U.S., ahead of the Mercedes-Benz S-Class (13,303), the top selling car in the category in 2012, and also surpassing the BMW 7 Series (10,932), Lexus LS (10,727), Audi A8 (6,300) and Porsche Panamera (5,421)

I image that the same in 2014



Edited by adrtho: 3/1/2016 09:18:23 PM

So what, Tesla makes a good product and does well in selling it. The Nissan Leaf is also the top selling highway capable electric car.

Tesla leaves their copyrights open source (i.e. anyone can use the technology they create) so that these sort of developments will hopefully bring uniformity across the board making it easier at the user end of the scale and hence quicker take up. Its the same as when Volvo created the seat belt. They recognise that it is better for everyone if they don't lock it away, so using them as a reason why the other manufacturers will die is not a good example. They want the other manufacturers to use their technology.

Yep, free market capitalism means some industries will die out and replaced by more efficient/advanced ones.

No private corporation should receive tax-payers help.

sure, it sell about 60,000 cars a year...but that Hatchback (low cost) , and Nissan sells about 5m car a year, so it's not going to change much

it's hard to out sell Mercedes S-Class in that category , BMW 7 Series, Lexus LS, Audi A8 couldn't

and when you read the future development in cars...it's all Google, Apple , Amazon, Tesla ..you hear a little bit for Mercedes or Nissan, but the car manufacturers are not leading this change, it software companies

By 2018, Elon Musk expects Tesla Motors to have developed mature serial production version of fully self-driving cars, where the driver can fall asleep. However, he expects they would be allowed only some years after that, due to regulatory issues

number one car manufacturers in Full size Luxury Class is a Software- battery focus company, not a car company

Tesla Motors is a car and energy company.

Google and Apple are companies that like to boast about what they are doing. That's how they advertise. Of course you are going to hear about it if they intend to do something.

The major companies want to keep up profits of the cars that they have in production so why would they significantly detract attention from their current products for something they have in development. They will show where they are at during car shows and through their own channels but they aren't going to boast loudly that in 2019 we will have an fully autonomous electric car in production that performs just as well as your current combustion engine one. That could dent their sales as people wait to before buying and cripple their ability to actually produce such a product.

Tesla and the like may be driving innovation but the current stakeholders aren't far behind.

The thing that will sink companies, not just the current ones but Tesla, Google and Apple too, is lack of proper testing and filling holes before releasing the product. Most software is sold as a seemingly complete product and the holes are then filled with patches and updates as they are found. This is not acceptable practice for the car industry where lives are at risk.

There are already software issues with cars on the market. Some cars that incorporate automatic parking and lane changing have been found to be able to be hacked through the phone wifi system allowing control over steering and acceleration. Others have had issues where the car users phone, when receiving or making a call, disrupts the keyless ignition system causing the car to turn off while driving. They aren't things you want to learn after you bought a car.

With such drastic changes in the long run it may not be desirable to be first on the market with a bang but to ease your way into it making sure you have got it right.

The lack of autonomy in cars is putting lives at risk.
Unfortunately, unsubstantiated fear mongering will stall autonomous technology.
The IT industry needs to come out with graphic advertising like the old TAC ads, with narration along the lines of "1,372 people died today, as a result of fallible human beings behind the wheel of a car. Help make cars autonomous, now. An autonomous car may one day be the reason for you being alive"....

Edited by Murdoch Rags Ltd: 4/1/2016 12:01:32 AM

they are behide , it why Tesla is now $32B company and GM, Ford is only $53B

again, we seen with mobile phone , how quickly establish Market leaders, go from hero to zero in 3 years base on software..the car industry no longer has a barrier to entry because of size, as the like of Google or Apple can buy a Ford or GM with one year cash profit

two year behide is now the same as 10 years behide in 1990

They can come out with a ad like this
"remember the good old day when you could drink and drive , well today with autonomous cars , you can " :lol:

"drink and drive, you be a bloody idiot if you don't "

Edited by adrtho: 4/1/2016 12:20:13 AM

Do not disagree with your first point. That doesn't stop it needing to be a completely finished product for it to be released. The current technology for car autonomy has been in development since the early 90's. There are so many factors that have to have to built in correctly. The fact that at least initially the roads going are going to be shared with unreliable humans makes it even more critical.

I think the slow introduction of autonomy, through parking and lane change assistance and the like, is the right method to ease us in to full autonomy. Most people would lack the courage to immediately sit in a car that drives itself at 100km/h. When we can't see or understand how its being done we become unsure.

Telsa driver already have this...the report are the Car get smarter as the driver does more Km

Funny you mention that. Being a lefty, you'd think I'm all for the legalisation of weed. Nope. Not until cars are autonomous.

Yes, I know. So do Mercedes, Audi and BMW.

no they don't , Mercedes can follow the car in front of it...that it

:lol:

Seriously clueless