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+xit's clear the new car of today, tomorrow and the future , will be all about the Computer code and battery... why would the car manufacturers of the last 100 years, suddenly become expert at slope game computers coding , how can they change 100 year , with in 5 year Toyota, General Motors, Ford, Volkswagen, Nissan , Fiat, Renault, Daimler...they are all dead The transition from traditional internal combustion engine vehicles to electric and software-driven cars is indeed a massive challenge for legacy automakers
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+xIts great, we wont need to drive which is a good thing as people make mistakes. Computers make better decisions. Self driving cars are the best invention ever.
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StiflersMom wrote:trident wrote:You are right.
Tesla is the future.
Electric cars FTW :) :) :)
Yup, gonna be so cool topping up on Fraser island or taking a trip outback by the time you buy , you car will have solar power on the roof and your car will power up on the go :p
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trident wrote:You are right.
Tesla is the future.
Electric cars FTW :) :) :)
Yup, gonna be so cool topping up on Fraser island or taking a trip outback
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chillbilly wrote:Quote:Humans are slamming into driverless cars and exposing a key flaw SOUTHFIELD, Michigan The self-driving car, that cutting-edge creation that's supposed to lead to a world without accidents, is achieving the exact opposite right now: The vehicles have racked up a crash rate double that of those with human drivers. The glitch? They obey the law all the time, without exception. This may sound like the right way to program a robot to drive a car, but good luck trying to merge onto a chaotic, jam-packed highway with traffic flying along well above the speed limit. As the accidents have piled up – all minor scrape-ups for now – the arguments among programmers at places like Google and Carnegie Mellon University are heating up: should they teach the cars how to commit infractions from time to time to stay out of trouble? "It's a constant debate inside our group," says Raj Rajkumar, co-director of the General Motors-Carnegie Mellon Autonomous Driving Collaborative Research Lab in Pittsburgh. "And we have basically decided to stick to the speed limit. But when you go out and drive the speed limit on the highway, pretty much everybody on the road is just zipping past you. And I would be one of those people." Last year, Rajkumar offered test drives to members of Congress in his lab's self-driving Cadillac SRX sport utility vehicle. The Caddy performed perfectly, except when it had to merge onto I-395 South and swing across three lanes of traffic in 150 yards (137 metres) to head toward the Pentagon. The car's cameras and laser sensors detected traffic in a 360-degree view but didn't know how to trust that drivers would make room in the ceaseless flow, so the human minder had to take control to complete the manoeuvre. "We end up being cautious," Rajkumar said. "We don't want to get into an accident because that would be front-page news. People expect more of autonomous cars." Turns out, though, their accident rates are twice as high as for regular cars, according to a study by the University of Michigan's Transportation Research Institute. Driverless vehicles have never been at fault, the study found: they're usually hit from behind in slow-speed crashes by inattentive or aggressive humans unaccustomed to machine motorists that always follow the rules and proceed with caution. "It's a dilemma that needs to be addressed," Rajkumar says. It's similar to the thorny ethical issues driverless car creators are wrestling with over how to program them to make life-or-death decisions in an accident. For example, should an autonomous vehicle sacrifice its occupant by swerving off a cliff to avoid killing a school bus full of children? California is urging caution in the deployment of driverless cars. It published proposed rules this week that would require a human always to be ready to take the wheel and also compel companies creating the cars to file monthly reports on their behaviour. Google – which developed a model with no steering wheel or gas pedal – says it is "gravely disappointed" in the proposed rules, which could set the standard for autonomous-car regulations nationwide. Google cars have been in 17 minor crashes in 2 million miles (3.2 million kilometres) of testing and account for most of the reported accidents, according to the Michigan study. That's partly because the company is testing mainly in California, where accidents involving driverless cars must be reported. The most recent reported incident was occurred on November 2 in Mountain View, California, Google's headquarters, when a self-driving Google Lexus SUV attempted to turn right on a red light. It came to a full stop, activated its turn signal and began creeping slowly into the intersection to get a better look, according to a report the company posted online. Another car stopped behind it and also began rolling forward, rear-ending the SUV at 4 mph. There were no injuries and only minor damage to both vehicles. Ten days later, a Mountain View motorcycle cop noticed traffic stacking up behind a Google car going 24 mph in a busy 35 mph zone. He zoomed over and became the first officer to stop a robot car. He didn't issue a ticket – who would he give it to? –but he warned the two engineers on board about creating a hazard. While Google rejects the notion that its careful cars cause crashes, "we err on the conservative side," says Dmitri Dolgov, principal engineer of the program. "They're a little bit like a cautious student driver or a grandma." Google is working to make the vehicles more "aggressive" like humans – law-abiding, safe humans – so they "can naturally fit into the traffic flow, and other people understand what we're doing and why we're doing it," Dolgov says. "Driving is a social game." Google has already programmed its cars to behave in more familiar ways, such as inching forward at a four-way stop to signal they're going next. But autonomous models still surprise human drivers with their quick reflexes, coming to an abrupt halt, for example, when they sense a pedestrian near the edge of a sidewalk who might step into traffic. "These vehicles are either stopping in a situation or slowing down when a human driver might not," says Brandon Schoettle, co-author of the Michigan study. "They're a little faster to react, taking drivers behind them off guard." That could account for the prevalence of slow-speed, rear-end crashes, he adds.. "They do behave differently," says Egil Juliussen, senior director at consultant IHS Technology and author of a study on how Google leads development of autonomous technology. "It's a problem that I'm sure Google is working on, but how to solve it is not clear." One approach is to teach the vehicles when it's OK to break the rules, such as crossing a double yellow line to avoid a bicyclist or road workers. "It's a sticky area," Schoettle says. "If you program them to not follow the law, how much do you let them break the law?" Initially, crashes may rise as more robot autos share the road, but injuries should diminish because most accidents will be minor, Schoettle says. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/humans-are-slamming-into-driverless-cars-and-exposing-a-key-flaw-20151222-gltebr.html#ixzz3wG5HjS8N Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook Driverless vehicles have never been at fault, the study found: they're usually hit from behind in slow-speed crashes by inattentive or aggressive humans unaccustomed to machine motorists that always follow the rules and proceed with caution. :lol: that just reinforces why it be a software company that develops, mathematics behide self-driving car is to much for car companies
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Draupnir wrote:adrtho wrote:suddenly become expert at computers coding :lol: Seriously clueless yes i'am , but that still make me smarter than you
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Quote:Humans are slamming into driverless cars and exposing a key flaw SOUTHFIELD, Michigan The self-driving car, that cutting-edge creation that's supposed to lead to a world without accidents, is achieving the exact opposite right now: The vehicles have racked up a crash rate double that of those with human drivers. The glitch? They obey the law all the time, without exception. This may sound like the right way to program a robot to drive a car, but good luck trying to merge onto a chaotic, jam-packed highway with traffic flying along well above the speed limit. As the accidents have piled up – all minor scrape-ups for now – the arguments among programmers at places like Google and Carnegie Mellon University are heating up: should they teach the cars how to commit infractions from time to time to stay out of trouble? "It's a constant debate inside our group," says Raj Rajkumar, co-director of the General Motors-Carnegie Mellon Autonomous Driving Collaborative Research Lab in Pittsburgh. "And we have basically decided to stick to the speed limit. But when you go out and drive the speed limit on the highway, pretty much everybody on the road is just zipping past you. And I would be one of those people." Last year, Rajkumar offered test drives to members of Congress in his lab's self-driving Cadillac SRX sport utility vehicle. The Caddy performed perfectly, except when it had to merge onto I-395 South and swing across three lanes of traffic in 150 yards (137 metres) to head toward the Pentagon. The car's cameras and laser sensors detected traffic in a 360-degree view but didn't know how to trust that drivers would make room in the ceaseless flow, so the human minder had to take control to complete the manoeuvre. "We end up being cautious," Rajkumar said. "We don't want to get into an accident because that would be front-page news. People expect more of autonomous cars." Turns out, though, their accident rates are twice as high as for regular cars, according to a study by the University of Michigan's Transportation Research Institute. Driverless vehicles have never been at fault, the study found: they're usually hit from behind in slow-speed crashes by inattentive or aggressive humans unaccustomed to machine motorists that always follow the rules and proceed with caution. "It's a dilemma that needs to be addressed," Rajkumar says. It's similar to the thorny ethical issues driverless car creators are wrestling with over how to program them to make life-or-death decisions in an accident. For example, should an autonomous vehicle sacrifice its occupant by swerving off a cliff to avoid killing a school bus full of children? California is urging caution in the deployment of driverless cars. It published proposed rules this week that would require a human always to be ready to take the wheel and also compel companies creating the cars to file monthly reports on their behaviour. Google – which developed a model with no steering wheel or gas pedal – says it is "gravely disappointed" in the proposed rules, which could set the standard for autonomous-car regulations nationwide. Google cars have been in 17 minor crashes in 2 million miles (3.2 million kilometres) of testing and account for most of the reported accidents, according to the Michigan study. That's partly because the company is testing mainly in California, where accidents involving driverless cars must be reported. The most recent reported incident was occurred on November 2 in Mountain View, California, Google's headquarters, when a self-driving Google Lexus SUV attempted to turn right on a red light. It came to a full stop, activated its turn signal and began creeping slowly into the intersection to get a better look, according to a report the company posted online. Another car stopped behind it and also began rolling forward, rear-ending the SUV at 4 mph. There were no injuries and only minor damage to both vehicles. Ten days later, a Mountain View motorcycle cop noticed traffic stacking up behind a Google car going 24 mph in a busy 35 mph zone. He zoomed over and became the first officer to stop a robot car. He didn't issue a ticket – who would he give it to? –but he warned the two engineers on board about creating a hazard. While Google rejects the notion that its careful cars cause crashes, "we err on the conservative side," says Dmitri Dolgov, principal engineer of the program. "They're a little bit like a cautious student driver or a grandma." Google is working to make the vehicles more "aggressive" like humans – law-abiding, safe humans – so they "can naturally fit into the traffic flow, and other people understand what we're doing and why we're doing it," Dolgov says. "Driving is a social game." Google has already programmed its cars to behave in more familiar ways, such as inching forward at a four-way stop to signal they're going next. But autonomous models still surprise human drivers with their quick reflexes, coming to an abrupt halt, for example, when they sense a pedestrian near the edge of a sidewalk who might step into traffic. "These vehicles are either stopping in a situation or slowing down when a human driver might not," says Brandon Schoettle, co-author of the Michigan study. "They're a little faster to react, taking drivers behind them off guard." That could account for the prevalence of slow-speed, rear-end crashes, he adds.. "They do behave differently," says Egil Juliussen, senior director at consultant IHS Technology and author of a study on how Google leads development of autonomous technology. "It's a problem that I'm sure Google is working on, but how to solve it is not clear." One approach is to teach the vehicles when it's OK to break the rules, such as crossing a double yellow line to avoid a bicyclist or road workers. "It's a sticky area," Schoettle says. "If you program them to not follow the law, how much do you let them break the law?" Initially, crashes may rise as more robot autos share the road, but injuries should diminish because most accidents will be minor, Schoettle says. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/humans-are-slamming-into-driverless-cars-and-exposing-a-key-flaw-20151222-gltebr.html#ixzz3wG5HjS8N Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook
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adrtho wrote:suddenly become expert at computers coding :lol: Seriously clueless
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chillbilly wrote:adrtho wrote:chillbilly wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:chillbilly wrote:This is not acceptable practice for the car industry where lives are at risk. The lack of autonomy in cars is putting lives at risk. Unfortunately, unsubstantiated fear mongering will stall autonomous technology. The IT industry needs to come out with graphic advertising like the old TAC ads, with narration along the lines of "1,372 people died today, as a result of fallible human beings behind the wheel of a car. Help make cars autonomous, now. An autonomous car may one day be the reason for you being alive".... Edited by Murdoch Rags Ltd: 4/1/2016 12:01:32 AM Do not disagree with your first point. That doesn't stop it needing to be a completely finished product for it to be released. The current technology for car autonomy has been in development since the early 90's. There are so many factors that have to have to built in correctly. The fact that at least initially the roads going are going to be shared with unreliable humans makes it even more critical. I think the slow introduction of autonomy, through parking and lane change assistance and the like, is the right method to ease us in to full autonomy. Most people would lack the courage to immediately sit in a car that drives itself at 100km/h. When we can't see or understand how its being done we become unsure. Telsa driver already have this...the report are the Car get smarter as the driver does more Km Yes, I know. So do Mercedes, Audi and BMW. no they don't , Mercedes can follow the car in front of it...that it
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adrtho wrote:chillbilly wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:chillbilly wrote:This is not acceptable practice for the car industry where lives are at risk. The lack of autonomy in cars is putting lives at risk. Unfortunately, unsubstantiated fear mongering will stall autonomous technology. The IT industry needs to come out with graphic advertising like the old TAC ads, with narration along the lines of "1,372 people died today, as a result of fallible human beings behind the wheel of a car. Help make cars autonomous, now. An autonomous car may one day be the reason for you being alive".... Edited by Murdoch Rags Ltd: 4/1/2016 12:01:32 AM Do not disagree with your first point. That doesn't stop it needing to be a completely finished product for it to be released. The current technology for car autonomy has been in development since the early 90's. There are so many factors that have to have to built in correctly. The fact that at least initially the roads going are going to be shared with unreliable humans makes it even more critical. I think the slow introduction of autonomy, through parking and lane change assistance and the like, is the right method to ease us in to full autonomy. Most people would lack the courage to immediately sit in a car that drives itself at 100km/h. When we can't see or understand how its being done we become unsure. Telsa driver already have this...the report are the Car get smarter as the driver does more Km Yes, I know. So do Mercedes, Audi and BMW.
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adrtho wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:chillbilly wrote:This is not acceptable practice for the car industry where lives are at risk. The lack of autonomy in cars is putting lives at risk. Unfortunately, unsubstantiated fear mongering will stall autonomous technology. The IT industry needs to come out with graphic advertising like the old TAC ads, with narration along the lines of "1,372 people died today, as a result of fallible human beings behind the wheel of a car. Help make cars autonomous, now. An autonomous car may one day be the reason for you being alive".... They can come out with a ad like this "remember the good old day when you could drink and drive , well today with autonomous cars , you can " :lol: "drink and drive, you be a bloody idiot if you don't " Funny you mention that. Being a lefty, you'd think I'm all for the legalisation of weed. Nope. Not until cars are autonomous.
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chillbilly wrote:Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:chillbilly wrote:This is not acceptable practice for the car industry where lives are at risk. The lack of autonomy in cars is putting lives at risk. Unfortunately, unsubstantiated fear mongering will stall autonomous technology. The IT industry needs to come out with graphic advertising like the old TAC ads, with narration along the lines of "1,372 people died today, as a result of fallible human beings behind the wheel of a car. Help make cars autonomous, now. An autonomous car may one day be the reason for you being alive".... Edited by Murdoch Rags Ltd: 4/1/2016 12:01:32 AM Do not disagree with your first point. That doesn't stop it needing to be a completely finished product for it to be released. The current technology for car autonomy has been in development since the early 90's. There are so many factors that have to have to built in correctly. The fact that at least initially the roads going are going to be shared with unreliable humans makes it even more critical. I think the slow introduction of autonomy, through parking and lane change assistance and the like, is the right method to ease us in to full autonomy. Most people would lack the courage to immediately sit in a car that drives itself at 100km/h. When we can't see or understand how its being done we become unsure. Telsa driver already have this...the report are the Car get smarter as the driver does more Km
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:chillbilly wrote:This is not acceptable practice for the car industry where lives are at risk. The lack of autonomy in cars is putting lives at risk. Unfortunately, unsubstantiated fear mongering will stall autonomous technology. The IT industry needs to come out with graphic advertising like the old TAC ads, with narration along the lines of "1,372 people died today, as a result of fallible human beings behind the wheel of a car. Help make cars autonomous, now. An autonomous car may one day be the reason for you being alive".... Edited by Murdoch Rags Ltd: 4/1/2016 12:01:32 AM Do not disagree with your first point. That doesn't stop it needing to be a completely finished product for it to be released. The current technology for car autonomy has been in development since the early 90's. There are so many factors that have to have to built in correctly. The fact that at least initially the roads going are going to be shared with unreliable humans makes it even more critical. I think the slow introduction of autonomy, through parking and lane change assistance and the like, is the right method to ease us in to full autonomy. Most people would lack the courage to immediately sit in a car that drives itself at 100km/h. When we can't see or understand how its being done we become unsure.
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:chillbilly wrote:This is not acceptable practice for the car industry where lives are at risk. The lack of autonomy in cars is putting lives at risk. Unfortunately, unsubstantiated fear mongering will stall autonomous technology. The IT industry needs to come out with graphic advertising like the old TAC ads, with narration along the lines of "1,372 people died today, as a result of fallible human beings behind the wheel of a car. Help make cars autonomous, now. An autonomous car may one day be the reason for you being alive".... Edited by Murdoch Rags Ltd: 4/1/2016 12:01:32 AM They can come out with a ad like this "remember the good old day when you could drink and drive , well today with autonomous cars , you can " :lol: "drink and drive, you be a bloody idiot if you don't " Edited by adrtho: 4/1/2016 12:20:13 AM
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chillbilly wrote:Tesla Motors is a car and energy company.
Google and Apple are companies that like to boast about what they are doing. That's how they advertise. Of course you are going to hear about it if they intend to do something.
The major companies want to keep up profits of the cars that they have in production so why would they significantly detract attention from their current products for something they have in development. They will show where they are at during car shows and through their own channels but they aren't going to boast loudly that in 2019 we will have an fully autonomous electric car in production that performs just as well as your current combustion engine one. That could dent their sales as people wait to before buying and cripple their ability to actually produce such a product.
Tesla and the like may be driving innovation but the current stakeholders aren't far behind. they are behide , it why Tesla is now $32B company and GM, Ford is only $53B again, we seen with mobile phone , how quickly establish Market leaders, go from hero to zero in 3 years base on software..the car industry no longer has a barrier to entry because of size, as the like of Google or Apple can buy a Ford or GM with one year cash profit two year behide is now the same as 10 years behide in 1990
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chillbilly wrote:This is not acceptable practice for the car industry where lives are at risk. The lack of autonomy in cars is putting lives at risk. Unfortunately, unsubstantiated fear mongering will stall autonomous technology. The IT industry needs to come out with graphic advertising like the old TAC ads, with narration along the lines of "1,372 people died today, as a result of fallible human beings behind the wheel of a car. Help make cars autonomous, now. An autonomous car may one day be the reason for you being alive".... Edited by Murdoch Rags Ltd: 4/1/2016 12:01:32 AM
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The thing that will sink companies, not just the current ones but Tesla, Google and Apple too, is lack of proper testing and filling holes before releasing the product. Most software is sold as a seemingly complete product and the holes are then filled with patches and updates as they are found. This is not acceptable practice for the car industry where lives are at risk.
There are already software issues with cars on the market. Some cars that incorporate automatic parking and lane changing have been found to be able to be hacked through the phone wifi system allowing control over steering and acceleration. Others have had issues where the car users phone, when receiving or making a call, disrupts the keyless ignition system causing the car to turn off while driving. They aren't things you want to learn after you bought a car.
With such drastic changes in the long run it may not be desirable to be first on the market with a bang but to ease your way into it making sure you have got it right.
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Tesla Motors is a car and energy company.
Google and Apple are companies that like to boast about what they are doing. That's how they advertise. Of course you are going to hear about it if they intend to do something.
The major companies want to keep up profits of the cars that they have in production so why would they significantly detract attention from their current products for something they have in development. They will show where they are at during car shows and through their own channels but they aren't going to boast loudly that in 2019 we will have an fully autonomous electric car in production that performs just as well as your current combustion engine one. That could dent their sales as people wait to before buying and cripple their ability to actually produce such a product.
Tesla and the like may be driving innovation but the current stakeholders aren't far behind.
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chillbilly wrote:So what, Tesla makes a good product and does well in selling it. The Nissan Leaf is also the top selling highway capable electric car.
Tesla leaves their copyrights open source (i.e. anyone can use the technology they create) so that these sort of developments will hopefully bring uniformity across the board making it easier at the user end of the scale and hence quicker take up. Its the same as when Volvo created the seat belt. They recognise that it is better for everyone if they don't lock it away, so using them as a reason why the other manufacturers will die is not a good example. They want the other manufacturers to use their technology. sure, it sell about 60,000 cars a year...but that Hatchback (low cost) , and Nissan sells about 5m car a year, so it's not going to change much it's hard to out sell Mercedes S-Class in that category , BMW 7 Series, Lexus LS, Audi A8 couldn't and when you read the future development in cars...it's all Google, Apple , Amazon, Tesla ..you hear a little bit for Mercedes or Nissan, but the car manufacturers are not leading this change, it software companies By 2018, Elon Musk expects Tesla Motors to have developed mature serial production version of fully self-driving cars, where the driver can fall asleep. However, he expects they would be allowed only some years after that, due to regulatory issuesnumber one car manufacturers in Full size Luxury Class is a Software- battery focus company, not a car company
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melbourne_terrace wrote:They should have been allowed to die anyway post GFC. The amount of money they got as a dying industry was obscene. Yep, free market capitalism means some industries will die out and replaced by more efficient/advanced ones. No private corporation should receive tax-payers help.
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So what, Tesla makes a good product and does well in selling it. The Nissan Leaf is also the top selling highway capable electric car.
Tesla leaves their copyrights open source (i.e. anyone can use the technology they create) so that these sort of developments will hopefully bring uniformity across the board making it easier at the user end of the scale and hence quicker take up. Its the same as when Volvo created the seat belt. They recognise that it is better for everyone if they don't lock it away, so using them as a reason why the other manufacturers will die is not a good example. They want the other manufacturers to use their technology.
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chillbilly wrote:adrtho wrote:chillbilly wrote:Cars already require many computers to run. Switching from an combustion engine to an electric engine would not vastly change the amount of control systems that are required. It most probably simplify your control as you only need a control points for how much energy your drawing through the electric motor to replace the many control points for a combustion engine: combustion heat and pressure, injection pressure, air intake, spark timing, etc. computers not the same as software ,,,billions of line of software code is going to go into cars soon I think you are underestimating the level of software that is generated specifically for the development of cars. VW is in trouble because they wrote programs into their diesel cars to manipulate the engine performance during testing so that it could detect what was being tested and run the engine in such a way so as to appear to meet the levels of performance that they claimed without actually doing so. It is not like the big companies are going to be blindsided by Tesla and Google in producing technologies. They are already active in creating their own electric (or equivalent) and autonomous cars. Daimler and Toyota both have had collaborations with, and owned stakes in, Tesla to produce electric cars. I think you're under estimating the amount software that will come....as i said, Ford will need to become a software company... in 2013, the Model S (Tesla) was the top selling car in the full-size luxury sedan category in the U.S., ahead of the Mercedes-Benz S-Class (13,303), the top selling car in the category in 2012, and also surpassing the BMW 7 Series (10,932), Lexus LS (10,727), Audi A8 (6,300) and Porsche Panamera (5,421)
I image that the same in 2014 Edited by adrtho: 3/1/2016 09:18:23 PM
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adrtho wrote:chillbilly wrote:Cars already require many computers to run. Switching from an combustion engine to an electric engine would not vastly change the amount of control systems that are required. It most probably simplify your control as you only need a control points for how much energy your drawing through the electric motor to replace the many control points for a combustion engine: combustion heat and pressure, injection pressure, air intake, spark timing, etc. computers not the same as software ,,,billions of line of software code is going to go into cars soon I think you are underestimating the level of software that is generated specifically for the development of cars. VW is in trouble because they wrote programs into their diesel cars to manipulate the engine performance during testing so that it could detect what was being tested and run the engine in such a way so as to appear to meet the levels of performance that they claimed without actually doing so. It is not like the big companies are going to be blindsided by Tesla and Google in producing technologies. They are already active in creating their own electric (or equivalent) and autonomous cars. Daimler and Toyota both have had collaborations with, and owned stakes in, Tesla to produce electric cars.
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They should have been allowed to die anyway post GFC. The amount of money they got as a dying industry was obscene.
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lukerobinho wrote:Cars have already been using computers for decades the top manufacturers had no trouble adjusting, of course the real quality of cars is down to the mechanics, engineering and interior finishes in which computer companies have no experience Tesla already showing this is not the case anymore ...Tesla is a battery-software company .. Tesla already value at 50% of Ford market cap
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mcjules wrote:adrtho wrote:mcjules wrote:adrtho wrote:chillbilly wrote:Cars already require many computers to run. Switching from an combustion engine to an electric engine would not vastly change the amount of control systems that are required. It most probably simplify your control as you only need a control points for how much energy your drawing through the electric motor to replace the many control points for a combustion engine: combustion heat and pressure, injection pressure, air intake, spark timing, etc. computers not the same as software ,,,billions of line of software code is going to go into cars soon Computers don't do anything without software. I'm not sure what your point is? The big car manufacturers already hire software developers (or contract others to provide it for them), what exactly is going to be different? they do? i can see the job dilemma now for software developers..Google, Apple, Telsa or Ford the company that does the best software, will be the biggest sellers of cars Yep plus the finance sector , defence etc. It's one of the things I like about being a developer is that there is a lot of different possibilities. I would say it's already like that, manufacturers that already have better code produce cars with improved safety and fuel economy which are factors that people weigh up when purchasing cars. do you work at DSTO? as i said above , Nokia had Software developers , but it was still killed with in 3 years by Apple and Google (Android) phones if car manufacturer doesn't become a software 1st type of company, it be dead
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Cars have already been using computers for decades the top manufacturers had no trouble adjusting, of course the real quality of cars is down to the mechanics, engineering and interior finishes in which computer companies have no experience
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adrtho wrote:mcjules wrote:adrtho wrote:chillbilly wrote:Cars already require many computers to run. Switching from an combustion engine to an electric engine would not vastly change the amount of control systems that are required. It most probably simplify your control as you only need a control points for how much energy your drawing through the electric motor to replace the many control points for a combustion engine: combustion heat and pressure, injection pressure, air intake, spark timing, etc. computers not the same as software ,,,billions of line of software code is going to go into cars soon Computers don't do anything without software. I'm not sure what your point is? The big car manufacturers already hire software developers (or contract others to provide it for them), what exactly is going to be different? they do? i can see the job dilemma now for software developers..Google, Apple, Telsa or Ford the company that does the best software, will be the biggest sellers of cars Yep plus the finance sector , defence etc. It's one of the things I like about being a developer is that there is a lot of different possibilities. I would say it's already like that, manufacturers that already have better code produce cars with improved safety and fuel economy which are factors that people weigh up when purchasing cars.
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mcjules wrote:adrtho wrote:chillbilly wrote:Cars already require many computers to run. Switching from an combustion engine to an electric engine would not vastly change the amount of control systems that are required. It most probably simplify your control as you only need a control points for how much energy your drawing through the electric motor to replace the many control points for a combustion engine: combustion heat and pressure, injection pressure, air intake, spark timing, etc. computers not the same as software ,,,billions of line of software code is going to go into cars soon Computers don't do anything without software. I'm not sure what your point is? The big car manufacturers already hire software developers (or contract others to provide it for them), what exactly is going to be different? they do? i can see the job dilemma now for software developers..Google, Apple, Telsa or Ford the company that does the best software, will be the biggest sellers of cars
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adrtho wrote:chillbilly wrote:Cars already require many computers to run. Switching from an combustion engine to an electric engine would not vastly change the amount of control systems that are required. It most probably simplify your control as you only need a control points for how much energy your drawing through the electric motor to replace the many control points for a combustion engine: combustion heat and pressure, injection pressure, air intake, spark timing, etc. computers not the same as software ,,,billions of line of software code is going to go into cars soon Computers don't do anything without software. I'm not sure what your point is? The big car manufacturers already hire software developers (or contract others to provide it for them), what exactly is going to be different?
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