Oil era is over, we have lost, Sberbank of Russia Head German Gref


Oil era is over, we have lost, Sberbank of Russia Head German Gref

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Speaking at the Gaidar Forum, Head of the Russian Sberbank Bank German Gref said that Russia appeared to be among the countries that "are losing".

According to Gref, the world will follow the path of development of renewable energy only, Censor.NET reports citing the Russian media.
He has noted that China is going to increase the total capacity of power plants generating renewable energy to 560 GW in the coming years.
"As a comparison, this is 2.5 times more than the total capacity of the Russian Federation," the head of Sberbank said. Source:

"The closest forecast is that China will consume ... about 45 percent less conventional energy sources at the rate which it currently develops alternative energy. This is our coal, which we develop and deliver on a large scale and keep making substantial investment in coal intended for the Chinese market. And hydrocarbon. One can say that this era has become history," RBC quoted German Gref as saying.
German Gref also spoke about the crisis in the oil market, which, according to him, was caused by the "sweeping changes in consumption". "The era of hydrocarbons is over. As the Stone Age was over not because there were no stones, the oil age is over the same way," Gref said.
"The future has come sooner than we expected. We already live in this future now. Welcome to the future!" the head of Sberbank said.
German Gref believes that the question of oil price is irrelevant. "We will be very far behind, if we do not change the concept of our social approach," Gref warned.
"We lost the competition and ended up in the camp of countries that are losing, the countries-downshifters. The countries and people, who have managed to adapt and invest in it in due time, are the winners. Those who have not are going to lose a lot," he concluded. According to Gref, Russia is facing "a huge income gap" compared to the "countries-winners".


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Gaidar forum.
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MFW adrtho has gone back to posting about Russia.



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paulbagzFC wrote:
MFW adrtho has gone back to posting about Russia.


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it more about Oil Paul...if you remember, i said Oil is dead and going to $20 barrel when Oil was at $60s

I also said Russia will defaults on its loans, this bet is still very much in the money


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The was an "Oil Crisis" in 1973 and we survived that.


this oil Crisis, is more about the world no longer needing oil..and those countries who are depend on oil export are now all fucked
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well russia is fucked then.
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This bloke.
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8-[ ....never ceases to amaze

Edited by Socawho: 16/1/2016 02:27:30 PM
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SocaWho wrote:
8-[ ....never ceases to amaze

Edited by Socawho: 16/1/2016 02:27:30 PM


whats amazing, is you didn't bet on oil falling to $20 a barrel from $60...considering how smart and overall winner you are
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This bloke.


:oops:

A bit like Lukerobinho wouldn't you say :lol:

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Well as long as the Saudi's can slide into irrelevance, I'll be pretty chuffed.
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433 wrote:
Well as long as the Saudi's can slide into irrelevance, I'll be pretty chuffed.


it clear the US want (is) to pull out from Middle East , there just no reason for USA to protect world Oil supply when USA has 100% of it own capacity....those oil countries that haven't diversified are f-cked
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Oil below $28


Oil could go to $15 from here

Edited by adrtho: 20/1/2016 09:32:11 PM
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Especially with Iran about to go back online as an oil producer
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Oil $26
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adrtho wrote:
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Well as long as the Saudi's can slide into irrelevance, I'll be pretty chuffed.


it clear the US want (is) to pull out from Middle East , there just no reason for USA to protect world Oil supply when USA has 100% of it own capacity....those oil countries that haven't diversified are f-cked

At the Paris global warming conference, the Saudi delegation were noted for their pedantic nitpicking over wording in the agreement
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adrtho wrote:
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The was an "Oil Crisis" in 1973 and we survived that.


this oil Crisis, is more about the world no longer needing oil..and those countries who are depend on oil export are now all fucked


The world is consuming and producing more oil than ever, the low prices are because the Saudis have flooded the market to apply pressure on the Russians and Iranians in support of the ongoing proxy wars over regional power. An added bonus to them is that it makes US domestic production from shake oil and fracking economically unviable.

You could not be more wrong if you tried.
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adrtho wrote:
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Well as long as the Saudi's can slide into irrelevance, I'll be pretty chuffed.


it clear the US want (is) to pull out from Middle East , there just no reason for USA to protect world Oil supply when USA has 100% of it own capacity....those oil countries that haven't diversified are f-cked


China lie about all of there figures to please Western greenies, and just before the latest gathering of Eco-fundamentalists in Paris they announced that they have been lieing about their CO2 emissions which are actually 18% higher than claimed (although even that is an understatement). Those countries who have diversified are fucked because they are pissing money away on the most inefficient forms of power generation at a time when fossil fuels are cheaper and more abundant than ever.
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Crusader wrote:
adrtho wrote:
433 wrote:
Well as long as the Saudi's can slide into irrelevance, I'll be pretty chuffed.


it clear the US want (is) to pull out from Middle East , there just no reason for USA to protect world Oil supply when USA has 100% of it own capacity....those oil countries that haven't diversified are f-cked


China lie about all of there figures to please Western greenies, and just before the latest gathering of Eco-fundamentalists in Paris they announced that they have been lieing about their CO2 emissions which are actually 18% higher than claimed (although even that is an understatement). Those countries who have diversified are fucked because they are pissing money away on the most inefficient forms of power generation at a time when fossil fuels are cheaper and more abundant than ever.


when USA kills oil pipe line from Canada to Gulf of Mexico, when USA make deal with Iran to end there sanctions , which is a fuck you to Saudi Arabia and other Sunni Arabs oil producing countries,,this is a sign the USA no longer see oil as the energy Source that needs to be secure

Oil is dead, get on broad , or be a loser over the next 10 years
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Crusader wrote:
adrtho wrote:
433 wrote:
Well as long as the Saudi's can slide into irrelevance, I'll be pretty chuffed.


it clear the US want (is) to pull out from Middle East , there just no reason for USA to protect world Oil supply when USA has 100% of it own capacity....those oil countries that haven't diversified are f-cked


China lie about all of there figures to please Western greenies, and just before the latest gathering of Eco-fundamentalists in Paris they announced that they have been lieing about their CO2 emissions which are actually 18% higher than claimed (although even that is an understatement). Those countries who have diversified are fucked because they are pissing money away on the most inefficient forms of power generation at a time when fossil fuels are cheaper and more abundant than ever.


by the way , Oil not cheap on a historic inflation adjustment average, Oil should be at $18 to be at the inflation adjustment average...that still 33% drop from today oil prices

and, when the top selling luxury sedan car is electronic, that tell me it will very likely trickle down the car category, as that what happens to improvements in cars, luxury sedan car to compact executive car to Large family car (S-Class down to C-class to Holdem Commodore)

Edited by adrtho: 23/1/2016 11:27:30 PM
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adrtho wrote:
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adrtho wrote:
433 wrote:
Well as long as the Saudi's can slide into irrelevance, I'll be pretty chuffed.


it clear the US want (is) to pull out from Middle East , there just no reason for USA to protect world Oil supply when USA has 100% of it own capacity....those oil countries that haven't diversified are f-cked


China lie about all of there figures to please Western greenies, and just before the latest gathering of Eco-fundamentalists in Paris they announced that they have been lieing about their CO2 emissions which are actually 18% higher than claimed (although even that is an understatement). Those countries who have diversified are fucked because they are pissing money away on the most inefficient forms of power generation at a time when fossil fuels are cheaper and more abundant than ever.


when USA kills oil pipe line from Canada to Gulf of Mexico, when USA make deal with Iran to end there sanctions , which is a fuck you to Saudi Arabia and other Sunni Arabs oil producing countries,,this is a sign the USA no longer see oil as the energy Source that needs to be secure

Oil is dead, get on broad , or be a loser over the next 10 years


No, that was a combination of green lunatics and the Saudis driving down the price of oil to make US domestic production less economically viable.
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Crusader wrote:
adrtho wrote:
Crusader wrote:
adrtho wrote:
433 wrote:
Well as long as the Saudi's can slide into irrelevance, I'll be pretty chuffed.


it clear the US want (is) to pull out from Middle East , there just no reason for USA to protect world Oil supply when USA has 100% of it own capacity....those oil countries that haven't diversified are f-cked


China lie about all of there figures to please Western greenies, and just before the latest gathering of Eco-fundamentalists in Paris they announced that they have been lieing about their CO2 emissions which are actually 18% higher than claimed (although even that is an understatement). Those countries who have diversified are fucked because they are pissing money away on the most inefficient forms of power generation at a time when fossil fuels are cheaper and more abundant than ever.


when USA kills oil pipe line from Canada to Gulf of Mexico, when USA make deal with Iran to end there sanctions , which is a fuck you to Saudi Arabia and other Sunni Arabs oil producing countries,,this is a sign the USA no longer see oil as the energy Source that needs to be secure

Oil is dead, get on broad , or be a loser over the next 10 years


No, that was a combination of green lunatics and the Saudis driving down the price of oil to make US domestic production less economically viable.


that the short term play for Saudis ..US domestic oil production can be turn off and on like a switch, other oil countries can't do this, so it doesn't matter what Saudis do in short term ....but what you don't understand is other thing like, USA trying to pull out of Middle east, US killing oil pipe lines, and US letting US oil to now be exported

what happen when 50% of all cars in USA is run on electricity, what does that do to oil?, oil supply

when something new happens in the luxury car market, it ends up trickling down to the mass market car ...guys paying $120k for a car in USA, don't tend to be all green lunatics

Edited by adrtho: 25/1/2016 08:47:53 AM
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Yeh but sparky cars wont give me the torwue of a phat V8 m8 so your points are invalid.

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paulbagzFC wrote:
Yeh but sparky cars wont give me the torwue of a phat V8 m8 so your points are invalid.

-PB


:lol: Tesla car shit all over V8 for torque

[youtube]6eGhjhx8O9M[/youtube]



Edited by adrtho: 25/1/2016 12:00:28 PM
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Plunging oil prices have been blamed for a sharp rise in the number of UK oil and gas companies going bust.
Last year, 28 oil and gas service firms entered insolvency, up from 18 in 2014, according to research by accountancy firm Moore Stephens.
The company said the increase was "an almost inevitable result" of the drop in the oil price and the consequent cancellation of projects worldwide.
It estimates some $200bn (£140bn) worth of projects were cancelled last year.
Moore Stephens said the rise in oil and gas firm insolvencies was in stark contrast to 2010, when just four firms went bust in the 12 months to the end of September.
"Oil and gas service companies expanded their businesses over the last decade based on an oil price well above the current one.
"The pain caused by the oil price fall has translated into a rising tide of financial distress across the sector," said Moore Stephens head of restructuring and insolvency, Jeremy Willmont.
The figures from Moore Stephens come just days after oil services giant Schlumberger said it had cut 10,000 jobs in the past three months amid the plunge in oil prices.
Norwegian company DNV GL, an industry consultant, said its survey of 921 senior industry players showed the majority believed the industry was repeating the same mistakes of previous downturns, with 56% concerned over loss of jobs and experience.
Nearly three quarters of those it surveyed said they were preparing their company for a sustained period of low oil prices.
Opec resolute
Law firm Pinsent Masons said its survey showed that many of those in the oilfield services industry were hoping to capitalise on the drop in oil prices by buying up distressed firms.
In total, 70% of the 200 senior executives it surveyed were actively considering an acquisition within the next year, it found.
Oil prices have fallen by 70% in the past 15 months.
The drop in the price of oil has been driven by oversupply, mainly due to US shale oil flooding the market.
At the same time, demand has fallen because of a slowdown in economic growth in China and Europe.
Historically, Opec has cut production to support prices. But led by Saudi Arabia, by far the group's most powerful member, the group has resolutely refused to trim supply this time.
Many analysts have slashed their 2016 oil price forecasts, with Morgan Stanley analysts saying that "oil in the $20s is possible."
[size=8]Economists at the Royal Bank of Scotland say that oil could fall to $16, while Standard Chartered predicts that prices could hit just $10 a barrel.[/size]
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35397038

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adrtho wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
Yeh but sparky cars wont give me the torwue of a phat V8 m8 so your points are invalid.

-PB


:lol: Tesla car shit all over V8 for torque

[youtube]6eGhjhx8O9M[/youtube]



Edited by adrtho: 25/1/2016 12:00:28 PM


Where's the torque numbers?

-PB

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paulbagzFC wrote:
Yeh but sparky cars wont give me the torwue of a phat V8 m8 so your points are invalid.

-PB

How are you measuring the torque?
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Here's the long-term Crude Oil chart to provide some context:



People who know a thing or two about investing aren't writing off oil just yet. Buffett has recently spent pocket change on a Texan oil company (US$4.5 billion). Goldman Sachs president discusses his thoughts on oil:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2016-01-22/cohn-the-oil-market-is-rebalancing-now

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chillbilly wrote:
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Yeh but sparky cars wont give me the torwue of a phat V8 m8 so your points are invalid.

-PB

How are you measuring the torque?

Instant torque is much higher.
The P90D is even more powerful
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Les Gock wrote:
Here's the long-term Crude Oil chart to provide some context:



People who know a thing or two about investing aren't writing off oil just yet. Buffett has recently spent pocket change on a Texan oil company (US$4.5 billion). Goldman Sachs president discusses his thoughts on oil:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2016-01-22/cohn-the-oil-market-is-rebalancing-now

There's no guarantees in this world, but i'd take the opinion of market big boys over a couple of quacks on a football forum...


Cheers for that - I agree with the long term context.

I don't know why some people are taking cheap oil to mean "the end of oil". The simple economic of the oil industry mean that once you have the oil rigs set up and pumping oil, it is generally more expensive to turn the taps off and mothball production than it is to keep pumping - your sunk costs have already been paid. The only relevant figure is the marginal cost of the next gallon. And generally that is pretty cheap.

Weren't those proclaiming the end of oil predicting that oil would become prohibitively expensive and run out in the next couple of decades?

I do think that we are looking at a "new normal" price that is much lower than previously, for 3 reasons:
-Chinese economic growth slowing structurally as they become a much bigger economy than they were 10 years ago
- Natural / shale gas production coming online and becoming much more efficient (therefore cost competitive)
- Iran rejoining the oil market

But none of the above means the end of oil, it is just rebalancing the market towards consumers, instead of producers.
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