OH FFS Adam Goodes was get booed because he is a cunt on the opposing side not for doing an Aboriginal dance

Fair article. We should move the day from the 26th to be more sensitive to indigenous people. The minister for aboriginal affairs should most definitely be aboriginal. It's pathetic that it is not.

I disagree on the Adam Goodes front. While a lot of it surely must have been racism, he was booed initially not for being aboriginal. I think he'd have been booed by the Carlton fans if he ran at them and did any sort of action. No one booed Jetta for his war dance.

Invasion is a divisive word. No progress will be made when we're considered imperialists or invaders. We cannot continue to be called invaders if we want to get anywhere with the indigenous people. Furthermore, it seems to be a growing trend for people to write articles making white Australians feel ashamed of celebrating. I resent that sentiment. We were born 200 years after colonisation. Why should we be punished for the sins of those long dead?

This yeas seems to have really amped up the amount of articles like this, at least this one is balanced.

-PB

i respect indigenous culture and deplore the wrongs commited on them....i just get the feeling that the only way they feel they will get closure is if the government gave back every piece of land to them and everyone who is not aboriginal jump on a ship and go back to their ethnic origin country.
i cant see what other solution they deem viable because every that has been done to fix things from saying sorry to giving them handouts hasnt seem to have worked

Edited by Socawho: 26/1/2016 09:33:05 AM

Which Aboriginal leaders have ever called for that to happen?

I think he is confusing the african ameircan feelings of getting 40 acres and a mule

Look up Eddie Mabo...you obviously flunked Australian History

Its Mabo...its the constitution...its just the vibe:-"

and its conclusive...youre a flog

Edited by Socawho: 26/1/2016 10:43:56 AM

You're rubbing their noses in it - change the date and name. Why not have it a day, by name and approximation of time if possible, that Aboriginal lore suggests people settled Australia.

Constitution? We are not america you imbecile

Again, you don't seem to know what you're talking about. Mabo never argued that non-Indigenous Australians should leave the country, and he certainly didn't want them to give back "every piece of land." He advocated for indigenous land rights and measured compensation for the dispossession. You're not just misunderstanding Mabo, you're missing the point entirely. A quick google search would tell you how wrong you are.

You're reverting to your usual MO for any discussion - rather than actually engaging with what someone's said you just repeat the same bullshit from the original post and tell them they're a flog.

youre an even bigger flog for not understanding what i meant

fuck off back to your bunghole you rookie

Edited by Socawho: 26/1/2016 10:59:45 AM

just stating facts...youre a flog.
youre a shit troller too.

Edited by Socawho: 26/1/2016 10:58:18 AM

So MVFCArsenal is a flog because he didn't understand a reference to an Australian movie, but you're fine - even though you completely failed to understand what Eddie Mabo was fighting for (probably a bit more significant than 'Castle' references, I reckon).

Im flog yay good news peopl i got put in my place by Socawho

You keep proving my point. All you have is personal insults.

Nothing that you posted is a "fact," it's just bullshit. At no point did Eddie Mabo ever argue that non-Indigenous Australians should pack up and leave, nor did he ever argue that all land should be returned to the traditional owners. Those are the facts, and you should read up on them before you decided to have such a strongly-held opinion on them.

Nothing wrong with celebrating oz day but those who whinge about the aboringals whinging annoy me. Let them have their say. To them it is hurtful and who are we to say other wise. Live and let live

I agree. I don't think I've ever heard such a date suggested so it may not exist (I'm aware calendars in a western sense were not a thing for aboriginals).

Personally I think we should just hurry up and become a republic and change our flag to something more inclusive. Then we can have the date that happens be our republic day. Another alternative is 3 March. The day the Australia act was enacted. It could be called "Australian independence day"

Terrible idea. The treaty of Waitangi has held NZ back for decades. This sort of argument would do the same thing to Australia.

Why should this generation suffer because of what previous ones did?

To be clear I was just offering a cursive explanation of Mabo to SocaWho, since he doesn't seem to understand the issue.

And I think you're looking at things the wrong way. We shouldn't be arguing about whether this generation should suffer for the mistakes of its forefathers - instead we should be discussing how to compensate an obviously underprivileged group in our society for the past oppression that has left them so disadvantaged. Because the latter is what this is really about - today's Indigenous Australians are massively disadvantaged because of two centuries of oppression, and if we want to correct for that disadvantage, we need to right those mistakes as best we can.

We can't just 'wipe the slate clean' and forget past mistakes, because today's Indigenous Australians are still suffering from those mistakes.

And hey, at least SocaWho's shut up. Perhaps he discovered the Wikipedia page on Mabo?

youre a flog.
mate all you do is follow my posts up with a retort for the sake of trollling me.
theres no point in having a solid convo with you...since all you do is try to get on my wrong side.
so run along and flog on

Edited by Socawho: 26/1/2016 11:51:47 AM

Vae Victus bitches

You made an obviously uninformed post about Mabo, I corrected you on it, and then instead of admitting that you were wrong or trying to defend your view, you just resorted to calling me a flog - which is what you do when pretty much anyone disagrees with you.

Perhaps it should be obvious to me that you're not worth the time. The problem is that like lots of ignorant people, you're also entirely confident in the truth of the bullshit you spout. Whether you're discussing Sydney FC's need for a striker or Eddie Mabo, you state your opinion with absolute certainty, even when it's obvious to any neutral observer that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

So please do go ahead and explain why you're right about Mabo. If you have a genuine viewpoint I'd be very interested to hear it. But unfortunately, your response to this will probably involve personal attacks rather than substance.

I think people need to be reminded that the prime minister of this country, elected by the people, apologised to the indigenous population for past injustices almost 8 years ago. Yep, its been almost 8 years.

There will never be a moment in our history that acknowledges wrongs of the past as strong as this one. The fact that this victim mentality and projection of white guilt is still perpetuated in this nation with even more fervour tells me that even if Australia day was changed, even if the Aboriginal flag was adopted as the national flag, even if Australia day was changed to invasion day and was made as a day of mourning for the nation, people will not be satisfied.

The aboriginal people will never be free, until successful aboriginal people like Stan Grant, remind his people that the reason he is where he is at the moment, is because he put his head down, worked hard, got an education and started at the bottom and didn't act like a victim.

The reality is that if you want to be successful in the western world, The Brookings institute showed that you have to do three things:

1) stay in school and get an education
2) don't have children before you get married. ie, don't become a single parent.
3) Get a job, any job and start at the bottom and work your way up.

There is a mentality out there that past injustices perpetuate current failure. They do not. This is a myth.

Let's look at some examples:

Jewish people have suffered an enormous level of persecution, resulting in almost their entire extermination as recently as just 70 years ago. This is a far greater injustice than the Aborigines suffered and it was more recent. Despite this, Jewish people are extremely successful. The assumption is that there is some zionist conspiracy. The reality is that CULTURALLY, jewish people teach their children as a bare minimum, that they must get an education. A good education. The stereotype is that you are not really Jewish until you get into law school or medicine. This is drummed into them by their families and culture from a young age. So in just a few years, Jewish people rose from people exterminated like vermin, to dominating the world. Mostly because the US is a meritocracy that rewards hard work and education.

Lets look at another example. 30 or 40 years ago, Asian and SE Asian populations came to Australia with virtually nothing, from poverty and persecution and suffered racism.

Despite this, you could argue that Asian people are perhaps the most successful demographic in Australia. They dominate the halls of academia. They dominate school test scores. Universities are overwhelmingly dominated by Asians. The reason is again CULTURAL. Asian families instill into their children that if they want to be successful they need to work hard, get a good education at a bare minimum and be disciplined. We all know the "tiger mum" stereotype and thats cos it works.

The reason why Aboriginal people do poorly is cultural. It is instilled into them by their families that they are entitled to things, that white people are out to get them and are responsible for their failure and that there is no point in trying. This is perpetuated by every man and his dog writing articles that constantly link past injustices to current failure instead of cultural problems. This victim mentality helps no-one.

No-one in human history has ever been successful without hard work, dedication and discipline. Even children born into extreme wealth, will eventually fail if a strong mentality is not forced into them from a young age. Privileged, spoilt children eventually fail.

I know people on here may have difficulty believing this but its true. Capitalism is colour blind. It cares only about the colour green. Make yourself valuable by getting an education and working hard. Instill into your children that no-one is going to help them unless they help themselves. Don't be a victim or you will fail spectacularly.

Obviously, children who grow up with parents who are useless drug addicts are not going to have this mentality drilled into them because their parents are hopeless, but rewarding this with a victim mentality solves no deep cultural problem, thats why successful Aboriginals in society need to be good role models by showing their people they became successful through hard work, and that it is possible for Aborigines, like it is for everyone, to be succesful if good values are drummed into them.

Posts like this one ^ are why its still an issue.

I don't know what they do in school now but certainly we didn't do nearly enough Australian history. Way too much focus on European history.

I understand the sentiment from an aboriginals perspective from the things that happened back then are now morally wrong. However does anyone ever think that alot of the people who were sent here... didn't want to be here. They too were taken from their families as well. Again, that was something that in today is morally wrong, being sent thousands of kilometers away because you illegally tried to feed your childre/wife/self.
There's alot of bad shit under the bridge the vast majority are trying to bring this together but unless they are all doing it for the potential positives and not for the historical negatives... it won't work.

I think this is the most unintentionally hilarious post in a very long time.

Typical right wing mentality.
Firstly, define success in monetary & career terms
Secondly, demonise the disadvantaged, so as to sear one's conscience from having to vet the cornucopia of issues that leads to someone being disadvantaged - to the right winger 'apparent' complex problems have simple causes & hence simple solutions.