Mike Baird getting ripped a new one


Mike Baird getting ripped a new one

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Having lived in Sydney and recently been back there i can tell you the place is dead. Baird says more bars are opening but that is bullshit in the main areas of the city. Walk down King street and ,if you're into it, Oxford street. There are for lease and for sale signs left right and center. Sydney is dead, Melbourne is the new place to be, with no bs lock out laws and with very little comparable crime.

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Come on mate, play the ball not the man. It doesn't matter if he is evangelical, it is his policy that needs to be evaluated. And it seems to be working. The term wowser, like nanny-state, socialist, etc. should be included under godwin's law.


His background can be greatly attributed to these laws. This state is directly turning in to a nanny state which is heavily influenced by old bats and their dying desert religion. Or it could be attributed to the Liberal parties association with the Casinos who are coincidentally unaffected by these laws
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The issue is that alcohol related violence has long been reducing.

And it goes way beyond just "stopping people from getting trashed".

There was the restaurant that had police turn up and try to tell them that their wine list is "encouraging problem drinking". It goes far beyond what anyone would see as reasonable. Honestly, just read up on some of the stuff that has happened - it is becoming authoritarian.

You might be happy having a city with a dead heart, but I think its wrong.

The evangelical line is appropriate because what they are doing is not evidence-based, it is punishing the "sin" of drinking.

Edited by AzzaMarch: 11/2/2016 01:25:23 PM
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AzzaMarch wrote:
Its only working because people don't go out in the city anymore! Foot traffic is like 80% down.

Mike is an evangelical wowser as is Scipione.

If you read in detail some of what is being done, and how they are killing off all nightlife, it is totally ridiculous!


Come on mate, play the ball not the man. It doesn't matter if he is evangelical, it is his policy that needs to be evaluated. And it seems to be working. The term wowser, like nanny-state, socialist, etc. should be included under godwin's law.

The second issue is a question of whether it is thus worth it. Is a decrease in the nightlife for some enough to cancel the good done in reduced alcohol related crime and injury. I think no way. If you have to go home a bit earlier on a Saturday or can't get as trashed, then that's a small price to pay.
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Its only working because people don't go out in the city anymore! Foot traffic is like 80% down.

Mike is an evangelical wowser as is Scipione.

If you read in detail some of what is being done, and how they are killing off all nightlife, it is totally ridiculous!
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Even if Baird's stats were "misleading" or not fully taking in context - the stats that the bureau guy has rebutted with are still a pretty good indicator that the measures are working IMO.
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I'm with Mike on this one 100%. At worst the figures were misleading - but nonetheless what he says is accurate. The reduction he says happened. Yes, there was already a downward trend that he doesn't mention, but the figures are still accurate. Moreover, even if you take into account the downward trend, the reduction in violence is still extremely significant and there has not been an equivalent rise in violence elsewhere. Thus, the streets are safer, crime is down, and the savings to the economy are massive - sounds like a good initiative to me.

Personally, I feel like alcohol is the Australian version of guns in America (albeit admittedly not nearly as serious). We find it ridiculous that in America they won't even put restrictions on guns because the gun lobby and gun owners don't want to relinquish their rights.

And yet in Australia, alcohol abuse, alcohol related violence and alcohol related accidents cost our country billions of dollars and does indeed cost many lives. Like with guns, it is clearly only the abuse of alcohol that is the issue rather than alcohol itself (I personally love a drink). And yet as soon as we try to put restrictions in place to curb the problem, everyone cries on about "nanny states", about how it is costing jobs, about individual freedoms. This is exactly what is said in the gun debate in America.

I feel that if people want to come down against Baird on this using the above rhetoric yet want to come down on America for guns, they're hypocrites.
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New hashtag, new calamity for the ever pointless state government. It's funny as he always tries to model himself as a man of the people and now he has done this.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mike-baird-using-misleading-stats-to-back-sydneys-lockout-laws-weatherburn-20160210-gmq7bl.html

The post that caused the shit storm and some of the quite funny responses to it
https://www.facebook.com/mikebairdMP/
http://pedestrian.tv/news/arts-and-culture/casinomike-baird-copping-the-backlash-hard-accused/e9cc2459-3831-44b7-af60-39438db1e237.htm

Thoughts? Should politicians just stay away from social media?


Edited by scotch&coke: 11/2/2016 11:06:24 AM
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