This NYL?







o:)

Like the NYL is?

In a provocative move by Sage on Tuesday, the forthright mining magnate said the costs of funding the NYL team had simply become unsustainable.

Perth Glory, Brisbane Roar and Central Coast Mariners have put Football Federation Australia (FFA) on notice of their intention to withdraw from the 10-team competition, with Adelaide United and Newcastle Jets believed to pondering whether to follow suit.

The National Youth League (NYL) could be on the brink of folding with three teams set to pull out next season in a bid to cut costs, and two more believed to be considering their options.

The idea of it sounds awesome in theory, but unless the whole of Australia is one small city-state, it ain't gonna happen.

The current system works fine. I'd happily have another round before R32, and fully randomise the draw with A-League teams, but that'd be about it (although I also like the seeding idea that a state club gets to the semi finals. Not exactly a pure draw, but it's cool for the club)

You mental? Paulc still harps on about it. As is TheObliviousTroll. Assuming they aren't the same.

Don't remember anyone on here being against the national cup.

I do remember that there were suggestions (by people who were dreamin') that the national cup should be a fully random draw featuring every club in the country from round #1, with 4th division NSW teams flying across the country to play 2nd division WA teams (etc...) in the first round.

The more realistic of us knew it would piggyback off existing state cups, featuring the A-League teams + X state league teams, where X is the appropriate value for a cup featuring 16 / 32 / 64 teams. I was pleasantly surprised when the FFA cup was announced as a 32-team competition rather than a 16 team competition.


Never-the-less, there's a massive difference in travel/accommodation costs between a 31-match cup competition and a 132-match (12 team) league competition. That's what people are still hesitant about.

But I do have my sources and I do regularly speak my mind with both the Executive and the FFA.

People against P/R can't fathom it because they have a warped view due to the AFL / NRL model

They think a second division has to be fully professional with its own TV deal and attendances

They think we'll be adding team after team to the A League until we reach 25 or 30 teams and then we can split them into 2 leagues, and it would be viable because the code is in hot demand

In other words, something that no other code in this country can do despite their billion+ dollars - but strangely possible in 10 - 20 years


Once they accept low cost clubs fully funded by a shared TV deal, and shock horror, low attendances, then they'll realise P/R is not just possible, but it is possible tomorrow

We simply have to let go of our "security blanket" model and implement a structure that works for us

I-League and ISL merger to be opposed by clubs
The AIFF is planning to merge the ISL and the I-League in 2018

Chennaiyin FC won the previous edition of the ISL
I-League clubs in India are set to oppose the planned merger of the ISL with the I-League in 2018. I-League clubs are likely to have a problem with the planned merger wherein only the top two or three clubs from the I-League will join the ISL while the others will be left to play in a second tier league in the country. The All India Football Federation has invited the media for an “interaction on the future of football in India” in New Delhi on Tuesday.
While there is no comment over the exact details of the planned merger, it is expected that the proposed plan to be tabled on Tuesday will include the continuation of the I-League and the ISL in their present forms next year. The changes will be brought in in 2018 when there will be three divisions of national football leagues with two teams from the I-League being added to the ISL.
Also read: AIFF confirms ISL, I-League merger in 2018

The teams which join the ISL are expected to be two from the three most successful clubs in the country; Mohun Bagan, East Bengal and Bengaluru FC. One of the two Bengal based teams are expected to be asked to partner with ISL franchise Atletico de Kolkata.
A source told the Times of India, “The AIFF is trying to copy the American model where the top franchisees play in the Major League Soccer (MLS) while the second tier clubs play in the North American Soccer League (NASL). There will be no promotion relegation to the top league and teams will be added to the top league as and when the organizers feel they are ready."
A senior official from a football club in Goa was unhappy with the way things were being planned by the AIFF. He told the Times, “The AIFF president Praful Patel has always maintained that the ISL is just a tournament and India has just one league, the I-League. Rather than making ISL franchisees join the I-League as corporate entries, why is the AIFF working the other way round?"
The planned merger could result in major I-League clubs like Salgaocar FC, Sporting Clube de Goa, Mumbai FC and Shillong Lajong FC missing out on the newly formed tournament after making significant investments to meet stringent Club Licensing Criteria.
It would be unfair to them if this were to happen inspite of the teams taking such measures to continue as a club in the I-League.

Didn't these same stupid arguments come up about a national cup?

How long did they last?

MLS has a continuity problem

By Alex Morgan on May 12, 2016

Leicester City’s glorious rags-to-riches Premier League triumph captures the essence of the beautiful game: the ability for any team, player or coach to rise from the bottom with nothing but hard work, talent, and a shrewd outlook.

The same general theory applies in Major League Soccer. Well, sort of. Any given team can beat another on any given day, that’s for sure, but the problem this season more than others has become the lack of rhyme or reason behind this unpredictability.

For instance, the Chicago Fire, bottom of the Eastern conference, secured their only win so far this season over the Philadelphia Union, top of the division. Then Philadelphia went on to lose just one of their next five games. And that is no outlier in the league this season.

So far in 2016, there has been little to no consistency throughout the league and no team has had the same consecutive result for more than four matches. At this point in the current the Premier League season, there were four streaks of similar or larger lengths, the largest losing run being Aston Villa’s seven straight losses and the biggest winning streak of five games jointly shared between Manchester City and Arsenal.

By comparison, no team in MLS has even managed to string together more than three consecutive victories this season.

MLS scheduling is partly to blame. The fact that the league ignores most FIFA International breaks leaves the top teams exposed during the summer months, and the Seattle Sounders will potentially be missing six players for the Copa Centenario next month. For the past two years, for example, the San Jose Earthquakes have lost their main forward Chris Wondolowski to international duty and have subsequently suffered dry spells in the summer that have cost them playoff berths.

Additionally, MLS’ unbalanced fixture list skews the table until mid-summer. For instance, the last-place Fire have played four fewer games than second-placed FC Dallas, confusing the league table significantly. If Chicago had won all four games in hand at this point, they would be in third, just one point behind Dallas. However hard professional players try to overlook the standings, this can have an untold effect on the Fire’s confidence and that of their fanbase.

The heart of the issue, though, lies beyond these individual cases: it’s that there is no clear key to winning in MLS. Last season, there was no correlation between salary and performance in MLS and although many claim the LA Galaxy have “bought” the MLS Cup for three out of the last five years, the reality is much more nuanced.

In other American sports such as the NFL, the annual Draft helps determines the fate of organizations, preventing any single team from being stuck at the bottom of the table many years in a row and allowing teams to slowly build up strength over time.

In MLS, though, the SuperDraft isn’t very deep and certainly can’t be the focal point of a team’s recruitment system.

Success in MLS relies on smart tactics, a shrewd scouting system, a little bit of luck in the SuperDraft, a good youth development system and most of all, synergies between Designated Players and the rest of the squad: in other words, a good balance of everything. The problem is that MLS’ various scheduling flaws can throw that delicate balance this way and that.

It is perhaps more useful to judge a team by their weakest link than their best player, as a well-rounded FC Dallas have begun shown in recent years with their stellar consistency, but that directly conflicts with MLS’ high-level marketing strategy of bringing in big names to spur TV viewership and ticket sales.

With no consistency in results week-by-week or season-to-season, the league is lacking a coherent plot that can help fans link results from year-to-year. For this reason, MLS will isn’t capable of having a rags-to-riches story like Leicester City’s Premier League title victory in England, or even Chelsea’s massive capitulation. Promotion and relegation, in theory (because that’s the extent of its existence in MLS right now: barely a thought experiment), isn’t the only solution to this problem, or even the most likely one, though it would certainly focus more on results than marketing; therefore, inherently creating more balance in the system.

Few fans would wish for the balance of power situation in markets such as Germany or Spain, where at most three teams have even a shot at winning the title. Yet the MLS contrast, where last year’s league winners find themselves near the bottom of the table the following season, is hardly a superior balance. The talent gap would be forgiven a lot quicker if European soccer fans based in America (or non-soccer fans at all) could understand why their local team wins and loses. And that’s the heart of Major League Soccer’s continuity problem.

People against P/R can't fathom it because they have a warped view due to the AFL / NRL model

They think a second division has to be fully professional with its own TV deal and attendances

They think we'll be adding team after team to the A League until we reach 25 or 30 teams and then we can split them into 2 leagues, and it would be viable because the code is in hot demand

In other words, something that no other code in this country can do despite their billion+ dollars - but strangely possible in 10 - 20 years


Once they accept low cost clubs fully funded by a shared TV deal, and shock horror, low attendances, then they'll realise P/R is not just possible, but it is possible tomorrow

We simply have to let go of our "security blanket" model and implement a structure that works for us

Didn't these same stupid arguments come up about a national cup?

How long did they last?

What criteria ?



10 years so far and none have, why so sure ?

Are you a financial analyst with keen insight into the operations of football here and abroad.

They would be crazy not to consider SMFC when they meet all the criteria,

It's inevitable that some of the clubs are going to step up .

Easy to say it's when, not if. You can't go wrong there as I'm sure it will happen one day as I have said. That's the question though, when. And it doesn't seem it will be soon just like when SMH thought they were going to buy Melb Heart about 10 times over or CCM :lol:

No I am not a member of the executive.

But I do have my sources and I do regularly speak my mind with both the Executive and the FFA.

It's a case of when not if.

I have had a reaction from the Governing Body, no once, but two times. SMFC is a serious option for them and things are not far off now as we stand.

Edited by Aikhme: 17/5/2016 01:00:00 PM

We cannot develop a sophisticated football market without implementation of promotion and relegation.

Developing one part of the football ecosystem to the exclusion of the rest can lead to dire consequences for the game.

Like how you can't help yourself when a thread involes the NSL or former NSL teams in any way

Are you part of the executive committee, have access to a report or better still own a crystal ball? Given the reaction of the governing body to date I'd suggest you may be further out in your tipping than you think.

Deflection to suggest that you can't help yourself :lol:

Why do people keep crapping on about this. There is zero chance it will happen in the next 10 years, and highly unlikely even in 20 years time. 30-40 maybe by then we'll have a sophisticated enough market to have p+r, but we're a long way from there currently.

I think you're dreaming.

there will be changes a lot sooner than 10 years let me give you the tip. They are mulling over things right now.

Why do people keep crapping on about this. There is zero chance it will happen in the next 10 years, and highly unlikely even in 20 years time. 30-40 maybe by then we'll have a sophisticated enough market to have p+r, but we're a long way from there currently.

Deflection to suggest that you can't help yourself :lol:

Why do people keep crapping on about this. There is zero chance it will happen in the next 10 years, and highly unlikely even in 20 years time. 30-40 maybe by then we'll have a sophisticated enough market to have p+r, but we're a long way from there currently.

Why do people keep crapping on about this. There is zero chance it will happen in the next 10 years, and highly unlikely even in 20 years time. 30-40 maybe by then we'll have a sophisticated enough market to have p+r, but we're a long way from there currently.