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Linda Morris, appearing in the Sydney Morning Herald on 29 April, 2016 wrote:Carrie Bickmore's stretch marks became a topic of conversation as Dame Edna Everage played comedic havoc on The Project, targeting co-host Waleed Aly. Aly, who has lately assumed the role of The Project's political conscience, became Dame Edna's main fall guy during the comedian's television appearance - and he wasn't comfortable with the attention. It was classic Dame Edna, who has roasted everyone from Charlton Heston to the Queen during a long career in the public eye. "I'm going very well, little Wally," Edna said after being introduced on the show. "And I have to tell the viewers, that he really does look like this. He does! It's not a trick of the lights." Aly looked confused: "I'm just trying to figure out what response you are looking for here." Dame Edna, the queen of the purple rinse, is the alter ego of Barry Humphries who was appearing on Ten's magazine-format current affairs program to promote his association with a well-known pyjamas retailer. Dame Edna's comedic forte is acerbic cut-downs of tall poppies. Humphries recently angered the transgender community when he was quoted as saying people who undergo gender reassignment surgery are merely "mutilated men", and Caitlyn Jenner, formerly known as the Olympic athlete Bruce Jenner, was a "publicity-seeking ratbag". Saying it was important to make bedtime fun, Dame Edna had a go at the non-smoking, non-drinking Aly. "I don't know if you believe in that, Waleed." "All kinds of fun," Aly responded as Bickmore elbowed him and told him to stop. "Fun you wouldn't believe." "Do you?" deadpanned Dame Edna. "Imagine if you had company in bed." Asking Bickmore about the birth of her daughter, Evie, a year ago, Edna asked, "Did you have stretch marks as a result?" Dame Edna suggested a remedy of wombat spleen jelly. "I have some with me in a very private area. I will show you the miracle effect." Asked about Queen Elizabeth's 90th birthday, Dame Edna said: "Isn't it wonderful? Waleed doesn't think so. I bet you're an old pinko, are you?" Aly insisted: "I like the Queen, I've got nothing against her." Dame Edna ruled out entering politics before giving the Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull her endorsement, kind of. "There are so many dreadful people involved in that. I don't think we have the politicians we deserve, I'm afraid I don't, though I would disagree with Waleed. I think Mr Turnbull is a very strong and impressive Prime Minister. I don't like him very much personally but I think he is a good chap, good fellow for the job." http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/comedy/dame-edna-skewers-waleed-aly-talks-up-malcolm-turnbull-on-the-project-20160429-gohrwc.html Edited by quickflick: 29/4/2016 11:03:17 PM
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Decidedly odd.
Dame Edna is an odd character.
Often with this type of humour, it's satirical in such a way as to disparage the background/views of the character being portrayed.
Often, but not always. So Steve Coogan really does take the piss out of Little Englanders with Alan Partridge.
Dame Edna is a bit different. I'm under the impression that Humphries often approves of Dame Edna's message.
It's very hard to know how to react to Dame Edna. And, for that reason, poor old Waleed was at a bit of a loss.
How much irony is there?
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Turnbull a man so spineless who would sellout his own personal beliefs just to be PM.
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Aly is a humourless, self important boor, he was never going to come out of that well.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:quickflick wrote:Decidedly odd.
Dame Edna is an odd character.
Often with this type of humour, it's satirical in such a way as to disparage the background/views of the character being portrayed.
Often, but not always. So Steve Coogan really does take the piss out of Little Englanders with Alan Partridge.
Dame Edna is a bit different. I'm under the impression that Humphries often approves of Dame Edna's message.
It's very hard to know how to react to Dame Edna. And, for that reason, poor old Waleed was at a bit of a loss.
How much irony is there? So middle eastern Muslims can't have the piss taken out of them? Isn't that racist? :lol: :lol: :lol: how did you get that out of quickflicks original quote?
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paulbagzFC wrote:Edna ftw :lol:
-PB X2. Old style comedy vs wannabe boring souls like Aly..
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:quickflick wrote:Decidedly odd.
Dame Edna is an odd character.
Often with this type of humour, it's satirical in such a way as to disparage the background/views of the character being portrayed.
Often, but not always. So Steve Coogan really does take the piss out of Little Englanders with Alan Partridge.
Dame Edna is a bit different. I'm under the impression that Humphries often approves of Dame Edna's message.
It's very hard to know how to react to Dame Edna. And, for that reason, poor old Waleed was at a bit of a loss.
How much irony is there? So middle eastern Muslims can't have the piss taken out of them? Isn't that racist? No doubt the ABC, pedestrian TV, Buzzfeed and the usual "progressive" circle-jerk crowd will rush to the defence of their poster boy and say just this.
There are only two intellectually honest debate tactics: (a) pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s facts, or (b) pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s logic. All other debate tactics are intellectually dishonest - John T. Reed
The Most Popular Presidential Candidate Of All Time (TM) cant go to a sports stadium in the country he presides over. Figure that one out...
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:Scotch&Coke wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:quickflick wrote:Decidedly odd.
Dame Edna is an odd character.
Often with this type of humour, it's satirical in such a way as to disparage the background/views of the character being portrayed.
Often, but not always. So Steve Coogan really does take the piss out of Little Englanders with Alan Partridge.
Dame Edna is a bit different. I'm under the impression that Humphries often approves of Dame Edna's message.
It's very hard to know how to react to Dame Edna. And, for that reason, poor old Waleed was at a bit of a loss.
How much irony is there? So middle eastern Muslims can't have the piss taken out of them? Isn't that racist? :lol: :lol: :lol: how did you get that out of quickflicks original quote? I've never seen such a post about Edna before. The bolded part implies there is some underlying ideology from Humphries and quickflick has leapt to the defence of "poor Waleed" and not the countless secular/Judeo-Christian celebrities he has skewered. Combined with quickflick's penchant for supporting our Islamic friends, it's not such a long bow to draw. QuickFlicks a looney fella....on one hand he thinks the West has demonised the world by accusing them of being redneck and trying to bring the world back to the dreaded 19th century...all whilst forgetting extremists want to bring us back to the 8th century...:lol:
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:Scotch&Coke wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:quickflick wrote:Decidedly odd.
Dame Edna is an odd character.
Often with this type of humour, it's satirical in such a way as to disparage the background/views of the character being portrayed.
Often, but not always. So Steve Coogan really does take the piss out of Little Englanders with Alan Partridge.
Dame Edna is a bit different. I'm under the impression that Humphries often approves of Dame Edna's message.
It's very hard to know how to react to Dame Edna. And, for that reason, poor old Waleed was at a bit of a loss.
How much irony is there? So middle eastern Muslims can't have the piss taken out of them? Isn't that racist? :lol: :lol: :lol: how did you get that out of quickflicks original quote? I've never seen such a post about Edna before. The bolded part implies there is some underlying ideology from Humphries and quickflick has leapt to the defence of "poor Waleed" and not the countless secular/Judeo-Christian celebrities he has skewered. Combined with quickflick's penchant for supporting our Islamic friends, it's not such a long bow to draw. Just wow. I think this might have gone over your head. Most comedy has some kind of underlying message or target. Basil Fawlty- John Cleese is parodying chauvinistic, old-fashioned Englishmen who yearn for the days of Empire and like the class system. Alan Partridge- fairly similar on the part of Steve Coogan. The Office (UK)- Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant are mocking office wankers like Brent, Gareth and so on. These kind of characters exist in real life and just make us sigh. Ja'mie Private Schoolgirl- Lilley is taking the piss out of Melbourne/Sydney private school girls who are totally up themselves (the show might as well be about my sister's friends). Do you see an emerging pattern? The majority of these characters are not the type of people you want to be. Coogan does not actually want to be like Alan Partridge nor does he agree with his views. He uses Partridge to disparage people like Partridge. It's not always the case. Some of Lilley's characters evoke pathos. Comedy is not always formulaic. It is blurred in terms of messages it sends and the emotions it inspires within its audience. But there's definitely a trend of using these kind of characters to make fun of these people Now Barry Humphries-Dame Enda doesn't fit into this category. I don't think Humphries is quite making fun of Dame Edna (or people like her). Maybe to an extent, but not consistently. I happen to know Humphries agrees politically with a lot of the Dame Edna's agenda. Perhaps this make the character utterly brilliant. What it does mean is that it's difficult for Waleed Aly, not knowing who is the target of Humphries' humour, to know how to react. Edited by quickflick: 1/5/2016 02:39:57 AM
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SocaWho wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:Scotch&Coke wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:quickflick wrote:Decidedly odd.
Dame Edna is an odd character.
Often with this type of humour, it's satirical in such a way as to disparage the background/views of the character being portrayed.
Often, but not always. So Steve Coogan really does take the piss out of Little Englanders with Alan Partridge.
Dame Edna is a bit different. I'm under the impression that Humphries often approves of Dame Edna's message.
It's very hard to know how to react to Dame Edna. And, for that reason, poor old Waleed was at a bit of a loss.
How much irony is there? So middle eastern Muslims can't have the piss taken out of them? Isn't that racist? :lol: :lol: :lol: how did you get that out of quickflicks original quote? I've never seen such a post about Edna before. The bolded part implies there is some underlying ideology from Humphries and quickflick has leapt to the defence of "poor Waleed" and not the countless secular/Judeo-Christian celebrities he has skewered. Combined with quickflick's penchant for supporting our Islamic friends, it's not such a long bow to draw. QuickFlicks a looney fella....on one hand he thinks the West has demonised the world by accusing them of being redneck and trying to bring the world back to the dreaded 19th century...all whilst forgetting extremists want to bring us back to the 8th century...:lol: Extremists, as opposed to just Muslims. =d> I'm glad to see somebody is learning.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:quickflick wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:Scotch&Coke wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:quickflick wrote:Decidedly odd.
Dame Edna is an odd character.
Often with this type of humour, it's satirical in such a way as to disparage the background/views of the character being portrayed.
Often, but not always. So Steve Coogan really does take the piss out of Little Englanders with Alan Partridge.
Dame Edna is a bit different. I'm under the impression that Humphries often approves of Dame Edna's message.
It's very hard to know how to react to Dame Edna. And, for that reason, poor old Waleed was at a bit of a loss.
How much irony is there? So middle eastern Muslims can't have the piss taken out of them? Isn't that racist? :lol: :lol: :lol: how did you get that out of quickflicks original quote? I've never seen such a post about Edna before. The bolded part implies there is some underlying ideology from Humphries and quickflick has leapt to the defence of "poor Waleed" and not the countless secular/Judeo-Christian celebrities he has skewered. Combined with quickflick's penchant for supporting our Islamic friends, it's not such a long bow to draw. Just wow. I think this might have gone over your head. Most comedy has some kind of underlying message or target. Basil Fawlty- John Cleese is parodying chauvinistic, old-fashioned Englishmen who yearn for the days of Empire and like the class system. Alan Partridge- fairly similar on the part of Steve Coogan. The Office (UK)- Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant are mocking office wankers like Brent, Gareth and so on. These kind of characters exist in real life and just make us sigh. Ja'mie Private Schoolgirl- Lilley is taking the piss out of Melbourne/Sydney private school girls who are totally up themselves (the show might as well be about my sister's friends). Do you see an emerging pattern? The majority of these characters are not the type of people you want to be. Coogan does not actually want to be like Alan Partridge nor does he agree with his views. He uses Partridge to disparage people like Partridge. It's not always the case. Some of Lilley's characters evoke pathos. Comedy is not always formulaic. It is blurred in terms of messages it sends and the emotions it inspires within its audience. But there's definitely a trend of using these kind of characters to make fun of these people Now Barry Humphries-Dame Enda doesn't fit into this category. I don't think Humphries is quite making fun of Dame Edna (or people like her). Maybe to an extent, but not consistently. I happen to know Humphries agrees politically with a lot of the Dame Edna's agenda. Perhaps this make the character utterly brilliant. What it does mean is that it's difficult for Waleed Aly, not knowing who is the target of Humphries' humour, to know how to react. Edited by quickflick: 1/5/2016 02:39:57 AM  Yeah I can see how all that went over my head, wtf are you even on about. He's a dude that dresses as a chick and rips on people. I can see how Waleed would be uncomfortable being challenged in a public forum, it's not like anyone else highlights his numerous flaws, let alone stops with their superfluous praise. You, my friend, are resorting to the informal fallacy known as argumentum ad lapidem. That is to say, you're dismissing an explanation, which in this case is fairly obvious and simple, as 'incoherent rambling' as you're unable (or too lazy) actually to address it properly yourself. Nice try. You should listen to Miss Lippy more carefully :lol: Edited by quickflick: 1/5/2016 11:44:06 AM
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quickflick wrote:SocaWho wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:Scotch&Coke wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:quickflick wrote:Decidedly odd.
Dame Edna is an odd character.
Often with this type of humour, it's satirical in such a way as to disparage the background/views of the character being portrayed.
Often, but not always. So Steve Coogan really does take the piss out of Little Englanders with Alan Partridge.
Dame Edna is a bit different. I'm under the impression that Humphries often approves of Dame Edna's message.
It's very hard to know how to react to Dame Edna. And, for that reason, poor old Waleed was at a bit of a loss.
How much irony is there? So middle eastern Muslims can't have the piss taken out of them? Isn't that racist? :lol: :lol: :lol: how did you get that out of quickflicks original quote? I've never seen such a post about Edna before. The bolded part implies there is some underlying ideology from Humphries and quickflick has leapt to the defence of "poor Waleed" and not the countless secular/Judeo-Christian celebrities he has skewered. Combined with quickflick's penchant for supporting our Islamic friends, it's not such a long bow to draw. QuickFlicks a looney fella....on one hand he thinks the West has demonised the world by accusing them of being redneck and trying to bring the world back to the dreaded 19th century...all whilst forgetting extremists want to bring us back to the 8th century...:lol: Extremists, as opposed to just Muslims. =d> I'm glad to see somebody is learning. Clearly you're not the one who's learning....I mentioned 8th century for a reason. Do your research.:roll:
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:quickflick wrote:
You, my friend, are resorting to the informal fallacy known as argumentum ad lapidem. That is to say, you're dismissing an explanation, which in this case is fairly obvious and simple, as 'incoherent rambling' as you're unable (or too lazy) actually to address it properly yourself.
Nice try.
You should listen to Miss Lippy more carefully :lol:
Edited by quickflick: 1/5/2016 11:44:06 AM
What did you expect from after a night out at 5am? :lol: You're still reading too much into it I think, I'm fairly certain Waleed wasn't sitting there thinking "now am I the intended target of the humour or not?" He was clearly uncomfortable with Humphries' character, and Edna did what she does best and leapt on his uncomfortability. What do you mean by Edna's "agenda?" You have pretty well summed up a bunch of unrelated comedians and their character's, and tried to apply some grandoise element of caricature to Edna to defend Waleed's autistic reactions to being confronted, when most celebrities in his shoes take it for the joke it is and laugh it off. Waleed could not handle being made fun of, it's as simple as that. Waleed thinks he's an authority on most if not all things and to be the butt of any sort of joke would undermine his authority.
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SocaWho wrote:quickflick wrote:SocaWho wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:Scotch&Coke wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:quickflick wrote:Decidedly odd.
Dame Edna is an odd character.
Often with this type of humour, it's satirical in such a way as to disparage the background/views of the character being portrayed.
Often, but not always. So Steve Coogan really does take the piss out of Little Englanders with Alan Partridge.
Dame Edna is a bit different. I'm under the impression that Humphries often approves of Dame Edna's message.
It's very hard to know how to react to Dame Edna. And, for that reason, poor old Waleed was at a bit of a loss.
How much irony is there? So middle eastern Muslims can't have the piss taken out of them? Isn't that racist? :lol: :lol: :lol: how did you get that out of quickflicks original quote? I've never seen such a post about Edna before. The bolded part implies there is some underlying ideology from Humphries and quickflick has leapt to the defence of "poor Waleed" and not the countless secular/Judeo-Christian celebrities he has skewered. Combined with quickflick's penchant for supporting our Islamic friends, it's not such a long bow to draw. QuickFlicks a looney fella....on one hand he thinks the West has demonised the world by accusing them of being redneck and trying to bring the world back to the dreaded 19th century...all whilst forgetting extremists want to bring us back to the 8th century...:lol: Extremists, as opposed to just Muslims. =d> I'm glad to see somebody is learning. Clearly you're not the one who's learning....I mentioned 8th century for a reason. Do your research.:roll: I was applauding you for realising that it's not normal Muslims who wish to bring us back to the 8th Century, it's just the extremists.
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lol Edna comes from a different era of comedy. That kinda comedy nowdays is the kind that ends up in people angrily hashtagging and screaming from their social media soapboxes. -PB
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:What did you expect from after a night out at 5am? lol Fair enough. Adam Sandler references (providing it's High Sandler, not the more recent rubbish movies he has made) do the trick in that case. 11.mvfc.11 wrote:You're still reading too much into it I think, I'm fairly certain Waleed wasn't sitting there thinking "now am I the intended target of the humour or not?" He was clearly uncomfortable with Humphries' character, and Edna did what she does best and leapt on his uncomfortability. Not quite so precisely. He is probably familiar with Humphries' style of humour and therefore wouldn't have needed to ask himself who the intended target of the humour was. But he would have been asking himself how much of it was banter and how much Humphries doesn't particularly like him. The responses in this thread illustrate that a number of Australians are quite hostile to Waleed Aly. Why shouldn't it be the case that a comic with rather conservative views agrees with them? For what it's worth, I agree with you that Waleed didn't handle that very well. He should have bantered back. 11.mvfc.11 wrote:What do you mean by Edna's "agenda?" Humphries is very conservative. If he were English, he'd a kind of High Tory. I'm fairly familiar with his comedy and, in some cases, it is used as an expression of his views on certain matters. We've also had encounters with Humphries. Melbourne's a very small place, in many ways. And back when my family members used to run into him, it was an even smaller place. 11.mvfc.11 wrote:You have pretty well summed up a bunch of unrelated comedians and their character's The point is that, very often, there is agenda in comedy and the characters are used to satirise? Agree? 11.mvfc.11 wrote:and tried to apply some grandoise element of caricature to Edna to defend Waleed's autistic reactions to being confronted Not quite. I've suggested that, given most characters are used to parody themselves (or people whom they represent), Humphries well and truly wrong-footed Waleed. Hence the "autistic reactions". Dame Edna is, as I said, not your normal caricature. This isn't some grandiose statement or analysis. It's just a bit of a curve ball. Waleed was probably unsure how much was banter and how much was vitriol. In much the same way that many on this thread despise Waleed, and everything he stands for, Humphries is fairly similar. 11.mvfc.11 wrote:when most celebrities in his shoes take it for the joke it is and laugh it off. Waleed could not handle being made fun of, it's as simple as that. Should have bantered back. Most Aussies need to get better at banter.
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I find a lot of her humour cringe worthy tbh. It is so basic and has such a low level of wit or variation. You can tell Humphries is from a different era of comedy. There is no build up and nothing by awkward punchlines. She is famous for being an annoying cross-dresser and nothing more
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Scotch&Coke wrote:I find a lot of her humour cringe worthy tbh. It is so basic and has such a low level of wit or variation. You can tell Humphries is from a different era of comedy. There is no build up and nothing by awkward punchlines. She is famous for being an annoying cross-dresser and nothing more I just liked Waleed getting called a pinko. The target audience of the show probably had no clue what Dame Edna was on about.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:I agree with pretty much everything you say. Humphries is known for his conservative views, but my main point is Waleed felt himself to be above contradiction. It's got nothing to do with Edna's performance style or character, she has lambasted the Queen and every other celebrity under the sun. Waleed, nor anybody can consider themselves out of target....
For Waleed to take it personally highlights his social justice tendency to think he is off limits because of his own ideology/character. That's basically right. The only thing I'll add is that, even though Edna may have made fun of the Queen, Humphries likes the Queen (or so I gather). So it would have just been a joke. As far as Waleed is concerned, I'm willing to bet that Humphries dislikes him, perhaps as much as certain others on this thread The difference between regular Dame Edna and this (and the reason this made headlines) was the vitriol. In other words, he's a different kind of target. That's what stuck out and what Waleed didn't know how to deal with. He should just have kept his cool and gone along with it. 11.mvfc.11 wrote:I'd say your every day Aussie is great at banter, everyone has their flaws and they are exchanged in society regularly. I disagree. I think your every day Aussie is fairly average at banter. You get the odd Aussie who's just sublime at banter, and these do stick out. But not your everyday one. I base that on having done high school in Australia, having gone to uni here, and spending my holidays in places like Cyprus and Phuket, working as a nightclub promoter and encountering lots of nationalities. In Cyprus, there were plenty of Brits with appalling banter and just all-round shit blokes. But most had seriously good banter. Phuket is a better example for comparing. I'd speak to maybe 9 groups of Aussie fellas per day and maybe half that for Brits. Australians (after Russians, Israelis and French) were our least favourite people in the place. Of that 9 groups, 7 had no chat whatsoever and were just boring. The other two groups would be great lads and we'd be joking around for ages. We had a group of half a dozen who went to one of our events and were just a barrel of laughs. So not all Aussies are banterless dickheads, we just seem to produce extremes in either direction. I just tended to find (as did lots of our staff) that there was a far greater amount of consistency for Brits (although some of the biggest dickheads you meet are Brits). It makes sense when you look at your average cricket team. You'll have one bloke who is an absolute class sledger. Half a dozen who's sledges are really average and then the remainder won't bother sledging.
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quickflick wrote:SocaWho wrote:quickflick wrote:SocaWho wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:Scotch&Coke wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:quickflick wrote:Decidedly odd.
Dame Edna is an odd character.
Often with this type of humour, it's satirical in such a way as to disparage the background/views of the character being portrayed.
Often, but not always. So Steve Coogan really does take the piss out of Little Englanders with Alan Partridge.
Dame Edna is a bit different. I'm under the impression that Humphries often approves of Dame Edna's message.
It's very hard to know how to react to Dame Edna. And, for that reason, poor old Waleed was at a bit of a loss.
How much irony is there? So middle eastern Muslims can't have the piss taken out of them? Isn't that racist? :lol: :lol: :lol: how did you get that out of quickflicks original quote? I've never seen such a post about Edna before. The bolded part implies there is some underlying ideology from Humphries and quickflick has leapt to the defence of "poor Waleed" and not the countless secular/Judeo-Christian celebrities he has skewered. Combined with quickflick's penchant for supporting our Islamic friends, it's not such a long bow to draw. QuickFlicks a looney fella....on one hand he thinks the West has demonised the world by accusing them of being redneck and trying to bring the world back to the dreaded 19th century...all whilst forgetting extremists want to bring us back to the 8th century...:lol: Extremists, as opposed to just Muslims. =d> I'm glad to see somebody is learning. Clearly you're not the one who's learning....I mentioned 8th century for a reason. Do your research.:roll: I was applauding you for realising that it's not normal Muslims who wish to bring us back to the 8th Century, it's just the extremists. There are more Muslims that wish to take us back to the 8th century than there are Muslims that oppose them. What is an acceptable number that we should tolerate?
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:quickflick wrote:11.mvfc.11 wrote:What did you expect from after a night out at 5am? lol Fair enough. Adam Sandler references (providing it's High Sandler, not the more recent rubbish movies he has made) do the trick in that case. 11.mvfc.11 wrote:You're still reading too much into it I think, I'm fairly certain Waleed wasn't sitting there thinking "now am I the intended target of the humour or not?" He was clearly uncomfortable with Humphries' character, and Edna did what she does best and leapt on his uncomfortability. Not quite so precisely. He is probably familiar with Humphries' style of humour and therefore wouldn't have needed to ask himself who the intended target of the humour was. But he would have been asking himself how much of it was banter and how much Humphries doesn't particularly like him. The responses in this thread illustrate that a number of Australians are quite hostile to Waleed Aly. Why shouldn't it be the case that a comic with rather conservative views agrees with them? For what it's worth, I agree with you that Waleed didn't handle that very well. He should have bantered back. 11.mvfc.11 wrote:What do you mean by Edna's "agenda?" Humphries is very conservative. If he were English, he'd a kind of High Tory. I'm fairly familiar with his comedy and, in some cases, it is used as an expression of his views on certain matters. We've also had encounters with Humphries. Melbourne's a very small place, in many ways. And back when my family members used to run into him, it was an even smaller place. 11.mvfc.11 wrote:You have pretty well summed up a bunch of unrelated comedians and their character's The point is that, very often, there is agenda in comedy and the characters are used to satirise? Agree? 11.mvfc.11 wrote:and tried to apply some grandoise element of caricature to Edna to defend Waleed's autistic reactions to being confronted Not quite. I've suggested that, given most characters are used to parody themselves (or people whom they represent), Humphries well and truly wrong-footed Waleed. Hence the "autistic reactions". Dame Edna is, as I said, not your normal caricature. This isn't some grandiose statement or analysis. It's just a bit of a curve ball. Waleed was probably unsure how much was banter and how much was vitriol. In much the same way that many on this thread despise Waleed, and everything he stands for, Humphries is fairly similar. 11.mvfc.11 wrote:when most celebrities in his shoes take it for the joke it is and laugh it off. Waleed could not handle being made fun of, it's as simple as that. Should have bantered back. Most Aussies need to get better at banter. I agree with pretty much everything you say. Humphries is known for his conservative views, but my main point is Waleed felt himself to be above contradiction. It's got nothing to do with Edna's performance style or character, she has lambasted the Queen and every other celebrity under the sun. Waleed, nor anybody can consider themselves out of target. I'd say your every day Aussie is great at banter, everyone has their flaws and they are exchanged in society regularly. For Waleed to take it personally highlights his social justice tendency to think he is off limits because of his own ideology/character. You don't get it do you? You don't like Waleed Aly because you are a RACIST. People like you are uncomfortable with a brown person or anybody that isn't a white male speaking out against the privileges you enjoy everyday, and it makes your type (privileged, white RACIST bigots uncomfortable when people like him call them out on it. Waleed is a hero and is one of the only fair and balanced voices of reason in this country, while ignorant, RACIST fuckstains like you probably read Andrew Bolt and agree with something he says at least once a week. If Waleed was a white male with far-right views you'd be hugging his balls. But instead you just see a minority saying things that challenge your ignorant, far-right ideologies and you decide to hate him like the RACIST that you are. Frankly, anybody who makes fun of Waleed or disagrees with the common sense he endlessly speaks is a RACIST and they might as well get themselves measured up for their white hood and cloak ASAP. Waleed should run for PM- he would be the greatest world leader ever seen aside from Barack Obama. Unfortunately, too many people just can not accept how wonderful these men are (the greatest men to walk the Earth since the peaceful prophet Mohammed himself) because they are RACIST islamophobic bigots. Waleed for PM!!! Edited by Captain Haddock: 2/5/2016 10:30:49 PM
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Why the hate for waleed? Charlie pickering was the same but people didnt have the same vitriol towards him.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Why the hate for waleed? Charlie pickering was the same but people didnt have the same vitriol towards him. For the reasons that Captain Haddock was, ironically, correct. Innate racism. Dress it up however they may wish. And innate bigotry, I might add. Edited by quickflick: 2/5/2016 11:16:08 PM
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quickflick wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Why the hate for waleed? Charlie pickering was the same but people didnt have the same vitriol towards him. For the reasons that Captain Haddock was, ironically, correct. Innate racism. Dress it up however they may wish. And innate bigotry, I might add. I've stayed out of this thread because I think you're overanalyzing the segment a bit and I'm really not a fan of Dame Edna at any stretch. However, you did get the usual suspects to spill their usual rubbish and whipped them into a bit of a frenzy so kudos. =d> I'm also glad you said bigotry because you know "muslim is not a race" etc.
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mcjules wrote:quickflick wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Why the hate for waleed? Charlie pickering was the same but people didnt have the same vitriol towards him. For the reasons that Captain Haddock was, ironically, correct. Innate racism. Dress it up however they may wish. And innate bigotry, I might add. I've stayed out of this thread because I think you're overanalyzing the segment a bit and I'm really not a fan of Dame Edna at any stretch. However, you did get the usual suspects to spill their usual rubbish and whipped them into a bit of a frenzy so kudos. =d> I'm also glad you said bigotry because you know "muslim is not a race" etc. I think strong correlations exist between bigotry and racism. Bigotry is often informed by racism. Not all bigots are racist. I think Christopher Hitchens was somewhat bigoted (but at least his bigotry was, usually, well-explained and well-justified and was in opposition to religion in general). But Hitchens was no racist. Others, who tend not to be quite so bright, are often both racist and bigoted.
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11.mvfc.11 wrote:mcjules wrote:quickflick wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Why the hate for waleed? Charlie pickering was the same but people didnt have the same vitriol towards him. For the reasons that Captain Haddock was, ironically, correct. Innate racism. Dress it up however they may wish. And innate bigotry, I might add. I've stayed out of this thread because I think you're overanalyzing the segment a bit and I'm really not a fan of Dame Edna at any stretch. However, you did get the usual suspects to spill their usual rubbish and whipped them into a bit of a frenzy so kudos. =d> I'm also glad you said bigotry because you know "muslim is not a race" etc. See my last post, you ignorant fool. I saw it and it's....  Surely you can come up with something better than that pathetic excuse :lol:
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quickflick wrote:mcjules wrote:quickflick wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Why the hate for waleed? Charlie pickering was the same but people didnt have the same vitriol towards him. For the reasons that Captain Haddock was, ironically, correct. Innate racism. Dress it up however they may wish. And innate bigotry, I might add. I've stayed out of this thread because I think you're overanalyzing the segment a bit and I'm really not a fan of Dame Edna at any stretch. However, you did get the usual suspects to spill their usual rubbish and whipped them into a bit of a frenzy so kudos. =d> I'm also glad you said bigotry because you know "muslim is not a race" etc. I think strong correlations exist between bigotry and racism. Bigotry is often informed by racism. Not all bigots are racist. I think Christopher Hitchens was somewhat bigoted (but at least his bigotry was, usually, well-explained and well-justified and was in opposition to religion in general). But Hitchens was no racist. Others, who tend not to be quite so bright, are often both racist and bigoted. Yep of course. To be honest it's fun coming in here and reading their absolute tripe thinking they've reached some next level shit. As a "bleeding heart leftie", it's another group I can feel pity for :lol: "Not all kids on 442 are deadshits that have no idea"
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I find it mind boggling when at some Muslim sermons that segregation of men and women takes place in seating arrangements yet I can hear a pindrop while I am waiting for the furore that would normally come from the Left or the femnazis on these issues?:-k
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:lol: wonder why you're getting so defensive 11.mvfc.11? Who said waleed is a comedian? Ch 10 signed him because he isnt charlie pickering and they knew what they were getting.
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