Can't believe people actually watch Gogglebox.

But good to see the football in the top 5! I'll take it!

It is a disgrace. 

You know thursday night there is still this thing called 'the footy show' in Sydney and Brisbane. Its supposed to be about league but is wothout doubt the worst thing on tv. Yet it has been on for years. Even all the league fans i know hate it.

But its still on the air?!?!?!?!

We've got the shitty Melbourne Straya-ball version too. It's a pointless show. Just a more popular, sexist version of Thursday FC.

And yet my dad watches both Footy Shows.

But who needs those pesky old marquee players hey... 

If the league could get another big player based in sydney, this season will get a big boost on ratings
 

You get the gut feeling FFA are talking to Foxtel to strike a new deal. Ronny to Sydney is possibly part of it.  

Seems strange his brother flew down then not a single word from the FFA about it. Unless I have missed something. 

FTA first game, ANZ derby, Ronny, full house. 

Ronny as in Ronaldinho?

Fox ratings last Friday:

 

Rank	Description	Channel\Market	(r) National STV
1	LIVE: AFL ADELAIDE V WEST COAST	FOX FOOTY	296,000
2	LIVE: NRL STORM V BRONCOS	FOX SPORTS 1	257,000
3	LIVE: AFL: FRIDAY NIGHT FOOTY ON FOX	FOX FOOTY	139,000
4	LIVE: NRL FRIDAY NIGHT FOOTY ON FOX	FOX SPORTS 1	118,000
5	LIVE: AFL: FRIDAY NIGHT FOOTY ON FOX	FOX FOOTY	97,000
6	LIVE: NRL FRIDAY NIGHT FOOTY ON FOX	FOX SPORTS 1	72,000
7	AFL TONIGHT	FOX FOOTY	54,000

There is an AFL and NRL section on this forum.

Why don't you go and start an AFL ratings thread there?

Scott speaks the truth.

I grow weary of these egg codes. There's a dedicated thread for them. This is Extra Time at best.

No, now there is an actual forum to them. Those threads have been moved from ET.


http://forum.insidesport.com.au/Inside-Sport/AFL

Mr. Oliveballs has no business here. 

Thank God.

I actually disagree. The impression he tries to make is how great his game is, yet if you convert $ plus coverage for sets tuned, AFL rates pretty poorly. I think M Mercedes did a great post/article a while ago to show that AFL and NRL are both significantly overpaid vis a vis Football in the $ per set tuned stakes.

The more people, including AFL and NRL trolls, show the bang for the $ available for football coverage, the more likely we are to get a better ratio of the $ pool available for sports coverage in Aust.

And, do you think any second division AFL or NRL teams would attract the equivalent of the 64,000 that the most recent FFA Cup coverage got? The FFA Cup needs to be promoted by the FFA for all its worth, and its worth big bucks. Just the paltry amount of promotion it currently generates makes it a gold mine!

With almost non existent media and the NRL running back to back games not a bad result.

IVE: FOOTBALL: WCQ: SOCCEROOS V IRAQ

FOX SPORTS 3

130,000

Not really very good lets jot sugar coat it. Was on almost prime time too. 200k should have been the minimum target surely for home games in the final round of qualifying. However the fact that people on here on this very forum were unaware the game was being played until only a few days ago says a lot. The average joe wouldnt have had a clue. 

Socceroos with the 2nd highest rating for the night on Fox:

1	LIVE: NRL BRONCOS V ROOSTERS	FOX SPORTS 1	200,000
2	LIVE: FOOTBALL: WCQ: SOCCEROOS V IRAQ	FOX SPORTS 3	130,000
3	LIVE: AFL: ALL AUSTRALIAN AWARDS	FOX FOOTY	94,000
4	LIVE: NRL THURSDAY	FOX SPORTS 1	87,000
5	LIVE: AFL 360	FOX FOOTY	83,000
6	LIVE: NRL THURSDAY	FOX SPORTS 1	69,000

Put into context that's abysmal

Yep, virtually zero promotion for it. Same old issues. I even thought it was being played away. 

It's not too bad when you think that it beat the AFL All Australian Awards, which is the pinnacle of AFL representative football, and it was just a run of the mill, should do it comfortably, step one on a long journey, qualifier for the Football World Cup.

AFL'S WOMENS GAME
SEVEN - 746,000 ( Metro + Regional Avg) Peaked at about 1 million. 

Thats' how far behind the Aleague is in Australia in terms of TV support. 

Hardly really. 

Its like the women's twenty 20 it's new and a novelty. Like a lot of new things. It won't go even close to maintaining those ratings. 

There is a place for this information.

http://forum.insidesport.com.au/2406170/Womens-AFL

The big issue is that no one knew it was on.  Son got to go, and i was expecting it was FTA, disappointed it wasnt, and it really needs to be.  Socceroos WC qualifier, promoted and FTA will rate.

Its a bit old, but cannot let it go.  Comparing ratings across codes is fraught with danger unless you understand then well, and if you put up rubbish figures, you draw rubbish conclusions.  I suspect in the past that has been FFAs problem, they have drawn rubbish conclusions from rubbish figures.

NRL broadcast 3 games on FTA, all 3 are essentially national broadcasts (if they miss markets, they are small markets), they then have 5 games exclusive to Fox.

AFL will broadcast 7 games on FTA, but only 2, or even just 1 will be national, the rest just go into anywhere between 1 and 3 states.  Fox broadcast all games, but they usually only get 1 exclusive, sometimes 0.  The games that are not exclusive, they inevitably compete with FTA broadcast in the biggest market for that game.

NRL average ratings are an average of 3 national broadcast
AFL average ratings are an average of 1 national broadcast and 6 going into a mix of various markets.
The 2 numbers are not remotely comparable.

NRL has 5 exclusive games on fox
AFL has 1 exclusive game on fox
The 2 figures are not remotely comparable

Aggregates are better, but they have different length seasons and different numbers of teams, so they are still not comparable.
AFL aggregate TV ratings is 86 million
NRLs aggregate is 79 million

AFLs has increased a little this year, and NRLs has increased a lot, but this reflects a change in the deal they are operating under, not a change in viewers.  Mostly it is because FOX got a lot more games.

Make of all that what you will

The second division VFL has had more than that several times, just in Victoria.  

Excellent summary.

There's one poster who keeps putting up the average FTA ratings, but as you say, the 8 or 9 AFL games might have 2 or 3 games going nationally, and the rest are a mix of 1 to 3 markets, so it's not a meaningful average.

You can certianly average out the games which go nationally, and you can provide aggregate figures, and that pretty much tells you where things stand.

No worries i will

Nine's total viewers decreased from 57.3 million in 2015 to 50.8 million in 2016, while Fox Sports – with the addition of three extra games – enjoyed a jump from 26.6 million to 45.7 million.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/was-fox-sports-20-million-to-channel-nine-for-nrl-money-well-spent-20160905-gr9558.html

AFL 86m 2015
AFL 2016 ratings stagnant as per wookie on multiple websites.

NRL 2015 83.9m   State of Origin 11.5m+, Rep round 2m, Pre season 1.6m, NZ sky 7m+
NRL 2016 96.5m   State of Origin 10.6m, Rep round 2.1m, Pre season 1.6m, NZ sky 7m+

NRL 2016 broadcasting arrangements now have simulcasts and no delayed games which has helped it push way past the AFL on Aggregate ratings and Ave's

Bugger me, 238,000 people watching people watching TV. Race to the bottom folks.

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The essence of my post was that relying on self serving interpretations of rubbery figures is not just unhelpful, it is harmful.  Hopefully the FFA is smarter, and relies on crystal clear precise data when assessing where it is.

Firstly, while the AFL and NRL are in competition with each other, they are not really in competition with the A League.  The A leagues main competitors are Big Bash and EPL. I would suggest it is primarily the EPL on the basis that a McDonald's stores biggest competitor is the nearest other McDonald's.  These comparisons are a bit pointless

Anyway, you have taken the aggregate of the NRL season, NRL pre season, State of origin and NZ ratings, and compared them to the AFL regular season?  Why?  What does that mean?  Why didn't you add the 2.5 Mil for the AFL preseason?  You didn't include digital subscribers (although accurate numbers are tricky), would you have if NRL was number 1 on all platforms and AFL running 3rd or 4th, rather than the other way around.  Did you just prefer the bigger gap the way you did it.  You also established a trend for the AFL (flat), and a trend for the NRL (up), but as you pointed out, the NRL deal changed between those 2 years, so it isn't a trend, it is a blip.  We need to see what happens in successive years on the same deal to establish a trend.  
I would also point out that we could possibly assume that people attending a game would be people who would have watched on TV, if they were not there, so we can add 6 mill to the AFL figures, and we can add 2.7 mill to the NRL figures.

So for some more rubbery figure making, lets take the AFLs 86 mill, and add 2.5 for the pre season (you should really have added that already, as you added the NRLs pre season, there is rubbery, then there is just shonk), add 6 mill for attendees.  We will not include digital because, who knows.  Thats 94.5
NRL, is 96.5 (we will leave origin in, they do like it so), add 2.7 for crowds (they have given up even pretending they care about crowds), but we will take off the 7 for NZ because, NZ.  That gives us 93.2  
So 94.5 Million times Australians watched a game of AFL, and 93.2 million times they watched a game of NRL

Still not really like for like, still do not know what it means, still do not really care.

You mentioned averages, yet again, you must like them, I still do not know what they mean either.  NRL beats AFL on Fox averages true, but the gap actually narrowed, despite AFL having almost no exclusives on Fox, whats the upshot of that? I am not sure.  The Fox deal is a big win for NRL, they get the money from fox, and a big lift in pay viewers, I am not sure they really care about averages v AFL, pretty sure the AFL do not care, not sure why you think it means anything.

I am not going to mention FTA averages, because the math behind those averages is beyond stupid.

The issue that should really be discussed here, is what does that mean for the A-League

Total number of times Australians watched an A league match is approx 12 mill, but then there are a whole bunch of other events.  Exhibitions, Friendlies, Socceroos, where do they fit in.  If you include the Cup, should you include the VFL, WAFL, etc?  Do all of these games come under the FFA, or are some FIFA etc.  Interpreting Footballs figures is trickier than I am prepared to dig into, but it all boils down to this.

AFL is a healthy competition, with lots of money
NFL is a healthy competition, with lots of money, just not as much as the AFL
A league is a healthy-ish competition, with some money.

It needs a better deal, and a very realistic understanding of the market it is in.