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@Jatz - with regards to "Hopefully the FFA is smarter, and relies on crystal clear precise data when assessing where it is" This is what the FFA had in their last report: TV viewership booming There was an average TV audience per match of 79,829, which is an 86% increase for TV audience since 2011 On a different note. One thing I realised yesterday is the total AFL attendances this season were the second lowest in a decade. Even lower than when the AFL had 22 less games. The only season lower was when GWS was first introduced Their attendances seem to be flat lining. The A League on the other hand is a new sport with potential for growth. If only the FFA knew how...
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+x@Jatz - with regards to "Hopefully the FFA is smarter, and relies on crystal clear precise data when assessing where it is" This is what the FFA had in their last report: TV viewership booming There was an average TV audience per match of 79,829, which is an 86% increase for TV audience since 2011 On a different note. One thing I realised yesterday is the total AFL attendances this season were the second lowest in a decade. Even lower than when the AFL had 22 less games. The only season lower was when GWS was first introduced Their attendances seem to be flat lining. The A League on the other hand is a new sport with potential for growth. If only the FFA knew how... That's interesting with the AFL. I've noticed that too. 22 more games and no increased attendance. i think they've hit their ceiling.
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+x+x@Jatz - with regards to "Hopefully the FFA is smarter, and relies on crystal clear precise data when assessing where it is" This is what the FFA had in their last report: TV viewership booming There was an average TV audience per match of 79,829, which is an 86% increase for TV audience since 2011 On a different note. One thing I realised yesterday is the total AFL attendances this season were the second lowest in a decade. Even lower than when the AFL had 22 less games. The only season lower was when GWS was first introduced Their attendances seem to be flat lining. The A League on the other hand is a new sport with potential for growth. If only the FFA knew how... That's interesting with the AFL. I've noticed that too. 22 more games and no increased attendance. i think they've hit their ceiling. Maybe you'll find out later today that the economy is not doing as well as the politicians would like you to think. People's pockets are not the deep well of cash that had been presumed.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xJust on why post the other code thing.... From the Wookie site and near the end of the season so could this be the last post on non Football numbers we have a number of rounds to look at. NRL .. FTA.. 630K average .. Fox average 229 K AFL .. FTA.. 296k average .. Fox average 191 K. Yeah but AFL has more skips. And bananas. Its a bit old, but cannot let it go. Comparing ratings across codes is fraught with danger unless you understand then well, and if you put up rubbish figures, you draw rubbish conclusions. I suspect in the past that has been FFAs problem, they have drawn rubbish conclusions from rubbish figures. NRL broadcast 3 games on FTA, all 3 are essentially national broadcasts (if they miss markets, they are small markets), they then have 5 games exclusive to Fox. AFL will broadcast 7 games on FTA, but only 2, or even just 1 will be national, the rest just go into anywhere between 1 and 3 states. Fox broadcast all games, but they usually only get 1 exclusive, sometimes 0. The games that are not exclusive, they inevitably compete with FTA broadcast in the biggest market for that game. NRL average ratings are an average of 3 national broadcast AFL average ratings are an average of 1 national broadcast and 6 going into a mix of various markets. The 2 numbers are not remotely comparable. NRL has 5 exclusive games on fox AFL has 1 exclusive game on fox The 2 figures are not remotely comparable Aggregates are better, but they have different length seasons and different numbers of teams, so they are still not comparable. AFL aggregate TV ratings is 86 million NRLs aggregate is 79 million AFLs has increased a little this year, and NRLs has increased a lot, but this reflects a change in the deal they are operating under, not a change in viewers. Mostly it is because FOX got a lot more games. Make of all that what you will No worries i will Nine's total viewers decreased from 57.3 million in 2015 to 50.8 million in 2016, while Fox Sports – with the addition of three extra games – enjoyed a jump from 26.6 million to 45.7 million.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/was-fox-sports-20-million-to-channel-nine-for-nrl-money-well-spent-20160905-gr9558.html
AFL 86m 2015
AFL 2016 ratings stagnant as per wookie on multiple websites.
NRL 2015 83.9m State of Origin 11.5m+, Rep round 2m, Pre season 1.6m, NZ sky 7m+
NRL 2016 96.5m State of Origin 10.6m, Rep round 2.1m, Pre season 1.6m, NZ sky 7m+
NRL 2016 broadcasting arrangements now have simulcasts and no delayed games which has helped it push way past the AFL on Aggregate ratings and Ave's
The essence of my post was that relying on self serving interpretations of rubbery figures is not just unhelpful, it is harmful. Hopefully the FFA is smarter, and relies on crystal clear precise data when assessing where it is. Firstly, while the AFL and NRL are in competition with each other, they are not really in competition with the A League. The A leagues main competitors are Big Bash and EPL. I would suggest it is primarily the EPL on the basis that a McDonald's stores biggest competitor is the nearest other McDonald's. These comparisons are a bit pointless Anyway, you have taken the aggregate of the NRL season, NRL pre season, State of origin and NZ ratings, and compared them to the AFL regular season? Why? What does that mean? Why didn't you add the 2.5 Mil for the AFL preseason? You didn't include digital subscribers (although accurate numbers are tricky), would you have if NRL was number 1 on all platforms and AFL running 3rd or 4th, rather than the other way around. Did you just prefer the bigger gap the way you did it. You also established a trend for the AFL (flat), and a trend for the NRL (up), but as you pointed out, the NRL deal changed between those 2 years, so it isn't a trend, it is a blip. We need to see what happens in successive years on the same deal to establish a trend. I would also point out that we could possibly assume that people attending a game would be people who would have watched on TV, if they were not there, so we can add 6 mill to the AFL figures, and we can add 2.7 mill to the NRL figures. So for some more rubbery figure making, lets take the AFLs 86 mill, and add 2.5 for the pre season (you should really have added that already, as you added the NRLs pre season, there is rubbery, then there is just shonk), add 6 mill for attendees. We will not include digital because, who knows. Thats 94.5
NRL, is 96.5 (we will leave origin in, they do like it so), add 2.7 for crowds (they have given up even pretending they care about crowds), but we will take off the 7 for NZ because, NZ. That gives us 93.2
So 94.5 Million times Australians watched a game of AFL, and 93.2 million times they watched a game of NRLStill not really like for like, still do not know what it means, still do not really care. You mentioned averages, yet again, you must like them, I still do not know what they mean either. NRL beats AFL on Fox averages true, but the gap actually narrowed, despite AFL having almost no exclusives on Fox, whats the upshot of that? I am not sure. The Fox deal is a big win for NRL, they get the money from fox, and a big lift in pay viewers, I am not sure they really care about averages v AFL, pretty sure the AFL do not care, not sure why you think it means anything. I am not going to mention FTA averages, because the math behind those averages is beyond stupid. The issue that should really be discussed here, is what does that mean for the A-League Total number of times Australians watched an A league match is approx 12 mill, but then there are a whole bunch of other events. Exhibitions, Friendlies, Socceroos, where do they fit in. If you include the Cup, should you include the VFL, WAFL, etc? Do all of these games come under the FFA, or are some FIFA etc. Interpreting Footballs figures is trickier than I am prepared to dig into, but it all boils down to this. AFL is a healthy competition, with lots of money NFL is a healthy competition, with lots of money, just not as much as the AFL A league is a healthy-ish competition, with some money. It needs a better deal, and a very realistic understanding of the market it is in. What the heck, you have removed SOO and removed 2.7m in crowds which is in fact 2.8-2.9m 96m for NRL was just the competition itself. add in 2.8m for crowds and 10.5m SOO, 1.5m Preseason, 7m NZsky, 2.1m Rep round, 1.6m Test vs NZ and its not even close. AFL 86m 2015
AFL 2016 ratings stagnant as per wookie on multiple websites.
NRL 2015 83.9m + State of Origin 11.5m+, Rep round 2m, Pre season 1.6m, NZ sky 7m+ Aus vs NZ Test match 1.7m 107.7m+
NRL 2016 96.5m + State of Origin 10.6m, Rep round 2.1m, Pre season 1.6m, NZ sky 7m+ Aus vs NZ Test match 1.6m 119m+
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Have we broached the subject of regionals yet? :)
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Why do people think this is a "ratings competiton" thread?
There is an AFL section on this forum. Go start a thread there.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xJust on why post the other code thing.... From the Wookie site and near the end of the season so could this be the last post on non Football numbers we have a number of rounds to look at. NRL .. FTA.. 630K average .. Fox average 229 K AFL .. FTA.. 296k average .. Fox average 191 K. Yeah but AFL has more skips. And bananas. Its a bit old, but cannot let it go. Comparing ratings across codes is fraught with danger unless you understand then well, and if you put up rubbish figures, you draw rubbish conclusions. I suspect in the past that has been FFAs problem, they have drawn rubbish conclusions from rubbish figures. NRL broadcast 3 games on FTA, all 3 are essentially national broadcasts (if they miss markets, they are small markets), they then have 5 games exclusive to Fox. AFL will broadcast 7 games on FTA, but only 2, or even just 1 will be national, the rest just go into anywhere between 1 and 3 states. Fox broadcast all games, but they usually only get 1 exclusive, sometimes 0. The games that are not exclusive, they inevitably compete with FTA broadcast in the biggest market for that game. NRL average ratings are an average of 3 national broadcast AFL average ratings are an average of 1 national broadcast and 6 going into a mix of various markets. The 2 numbers are not remotely comparable. NRL has 5 exclusive games on fox AFL has 1 exclusive game on fox The 2 figures are not remotely comparable Aggregates are better, but they have different length seasons and different numbers of teams, so they are still not comparable. AFL aggregate TV ratings is 86 million NRLs aggregate is 79 million AFLs has increased a little this year, and NRLs has increased a lot, but this reflects a change in the deal they are operating under, not a change in viewers. Mostly it is because FOX got a lot more games. Make of all that what you will No worries i will Nine's total viewers decreased from 57.3 million in 2015 to 50.8 million in 2016, while Fox Sports – with the addition of three extra games – enjoyed a jump from 26.6 million to 45.7 million.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/was-fox-sports-20-million-to-channel-nine-for-nrl-money-well-spent-20160905-gr9558.html
AFL 86m 2015
AFL 2016 ratings stagnant as per wookie on multiple websites.
NRL 2015 83.9m State of Origin 11.5m+, Rep round 2m, Pre season 1.6m, NZ sky 7m+
NRL 2016 96.5m State of Origin 10.6m, Rep round 2.1m, Pre season 1.6m, NZ sky 7m+
NRL 2016 broadcasting arrangements now have simulcasts and no delayed games which has helped it push way past the AFL on Aggregate ratings and Ave's
The essence of my post was that relying on self serving interpretations of rubbery figures is not just unhelpful, it is harmful. Hopefully the FFA is smarter, and relies on crystal clear precise data when assessing where it is. Firstly, while the AFL and NRL are in competition with each other, they are not really in competition with the A League. The A leagues main competitors are Big Bash and EPL. I would suggest it is primarily the EPL on the basis that a McDonald's stores biggest competitor is the nearest other McDonald's. These comparisons are a bit pointless Anyway, you have taken the aggregate of the NRL season, NRL pre season, State of origin and NZ ratings, and compared them to the AFL regular season? Why? What does that mean? Why didn't you add the 2.5 Mil for the AFL preseason? You didn't include digital subscribers (although accurate numbers are tricky), would you have if NRL was number 1 on all platforms and AFL running 3rd or 4th, rather than the other way around. Did you just prefer the bigger gap the way you did it. You also established a trend for the AFL (flat), and a trend for the NRL (up), but as you pointed out, the NRL deal changed between those 2 years, so it isn't a trend, it is a blip. We need to see what happens in successive years on the same deal to establish a trend. I would also point out that we could possibly assume that people attending a game would be people who would have watched on TV, if they were not there, so we can add 6 mill to the AFL figures, and we can add 2.7 mill to the NRL figures. So for some more rubbery figure making, lets take the AFLs 86 mill, and add 2.5 for the pre season (you should really have added that already, as you added the NRLs pre season, there is rubbery, then there is just shonk), add 6 mill for attendees. We will not include digital because, who knows. Thats 94.5
NRL, is 96.5 (we will leave origin in, they do like it so), add 2.7 for crowds (they have given up even pretending they care about crowds), but we will take off the 7 for NZ because, NZ. That gives us 93.2
So 94.5 Million times Australians watched a game of AFL, and 93.2 million times they watched a game of NRLStill not really like for like, still do not know what it means, still do not really care. You mentioned averages, yet again, you must like them, I still do not know what they mean either. NRL beats AFL on Fox averages true, but the gap actually narrowed, despite AFL having almost no exclusives on Fox, whats the upshot of that? I am not sure. The Fox deal is a big win for NRL, they get the money from fox, and a big lift in pay viewers, I am not sure they really care about averages v AFL, pretty sure the AFL do not care, not sure why you think it means anything. I am not going to mention FTA averages, because the math behind those averages is beyond stupid. The issue that should really be discussed here, is what does that mean for the A-League Total number of times Australians watched an A league match is approx 12 mill, but then there are a whole bunch of other events. Exhibitions, Friendlies, Socceroos, where do they fit in. If you include the Cup, should you include the VFL, WAFL, etc? Do all of these games come under the FFA, or are some FIFA etc. Interpreting Footballs figures is trickier than I am prepared to dig into, but it all boils down to this. AFL is a healthy competition, with lots of money NFL is a healthy competition, with lots of money, just not as much as the AFL A league is a healthy-ish competition, with some money. It needs a better deal, and a very realistic understanding of the market it is in. What the heck, you have removed SOO and removed 2.7m in crowds which is in fact 2.8-2.9m 96m for NRL was just the competition itself. add in 2.8m for crowds and 10.5m SOO, 1.5m Preseason, 7m NZsky, 2.1m Rep round, 1.6m Test vs NZ and its not even close. AFL 86m 2015
AFL 2016 ratings stagnant as per wookie on multiple websites.
NRL 2015 83.9m + State of Origin 11.5m+, Rep round 2m, Pre season 1.6m, NZ sky 7m+ Aus vs NZ Test match 1.7m 107.7m+
NRL 2016 96.5m + State of Origin 10.6m, Rep round 2.1m, Pre season 1.6m, NZ sky 7m+ Aus vs NZ Test match 1.6m 119m+ I was using Wookies figures which had NRL by itself after round 24 at 79m, and AFL after round 22 at 87m, I dont know where you get 96 from. I assumed you aggregated them to turn 79 into 96
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+x@Jatz - with regards to "Hopefully the FFA is smarter, and relies on crystal clear precise data when assessing where it is" This is what the FFA had in their last report: TV viewership booming There was an average TV audience per match of 79,829, which is an 86% increase for TV audience since 2011 On a different note. One thing I realised yesterday is the total AFL attendances this season were the second lowest in a decade. Even lower than when the AFL had 22 less games. The only season lower was when GWS was first introduced Their attendances seem to be flat lining. The A League on the other hand is a new sport with potential for growth. If only the FFA knew how... It is those averages again. Percentage increases from small bases look good, but the absolute change is the key. As for the AFL, interpretation is again key. AFL gets a boost because it has lots of well supported Vic team v well supported Vic team games, effectively derbies with 2 lots of supporters. By introducing more lowly supported interstate teams, they actually reduced the average attendance at their games via 2 mechanisms. The home games of these teams draw relatively poorly, they are not well supported. When they play in Vic, they have almost no fans there at all. So they become games attended by just 1 clubs fan base. When they added these teams, they didn't add extra rounds to the fixture, they just made the fixture more lopsided. This decreased the number of times 2 Vic teams play each other as they had to fit GWS and GC games into the same number of rounds, so they play other teams less often. This results in the average attendance of Vic teams being driven down. Net result was increase in games, but not in crowds. Then add in the shit seasons of Vic biggest clubs, and voila. The thing to remember is that the AFL moved into GWS specifically for this reason, it was in mature markets with little scope for growth, it needed green field markets, and it is why they will pump money into GWS indefinitely Also, ground changes will have an effect if a few years, especially Perth, Eagles are limited in membership by ground capacity, and that will go up by over 10k from 2018. So AFL is flat now while it digests GWS and GC, it will get a spike in 2 years with ground development, neither means much..
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Am i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.)
Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights?
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+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well.
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+x+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well. Half this rubbish is just that. Rubbish.
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+x+x+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well. Half this rubbish is just that. Rubbish. Well, are few of us are actually enjoying this discussion.
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+x+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well. If you insist on comparing sports statistics with football, let's at least limit it to stats from other 'association' football leagues. If we're going to look at the AFL and NRL, we may as well start branching out to test matches, the Australian Open, Grand Prix, Olympics, marathons, cycling tours, concerts, the Pope's coronation, etc...
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+x+x+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well. If you insist on comparing sports statistics with football, let's at least limit it to stats from other 'association' football leagues. If we're going to look at the AFL and NRL, we may as well start branching out to test matches, the Australian Open, Grand Prix, Olympics, marathons, cycling tours, concerts, the Pope's coronation, etc... Modern family, the big bang theory, MasterChief.....
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+x+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well. In truth though, this forum is not about understanding the sporting landscape. If it was we would need a thesis and it would not be complete without looking at multiple sources of data, not just tv fugures which as somebody has already shown is not as easy as apples for apples even between league and Afl.
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+x+x+x+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well. If you insist on comparing sports statistics with football, let's at least limit it to stats from other 'association' football leagues. If we're going to look at the AFL and NRL, we may as well start branching out to test matches, the Australian Open, Grand Prix, Olympics, marathons, cycling tours, concerts, the Pope's coronation, etc... Modern family, the big bang theory, MasterChief..... Don't forget If You Are The One! Love that show! :D
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+x+x+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well. In truth though, this forum is not about understanding the sporting landscape. If it was we would need a thesis and it would not be complete without looking at multiple sources of data, not just tv fugures which as somebody has already shown is not as easy as apples for apples even between league and Afl. True - I'm confident once the A-League starts proper that the focus will be on A-League ratings.
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+x+x+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well. In truth though, this forum is not about understanding the sporting landscape. If it was we would need a thesis and it would not be complete without looking at multiple sources of data, not just tv fugures which as somebody has already shown is not as easy as apples for apples even between league and Afl. Correct. This forum can be summed up in 3 simple words: Carnts Vs M80s.
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In truth the AFL chaps seem to delight in constantly telling us how far we are behind... tis weird as the NRL folk largely say little...
You get the feeling at times AFL fans declare war on other codes and feel it their duty to constantly put themselves forward..
Its like they are members of some strange religion trying to convert the Northern states and put the evil soccer back in its corner... It's a sickness I am sure I can only imagine there reaction if they got any international stuff...
They post more than Football folk and you can only wonder what sickness invades their minds to be bothered ... and to keep it up for years on end, tis an amazing call to duty they have and loyalty to the cause.
The real irony is whereas once it was kinda important to get decent press... today its a different market place... the massive nay mega irony is every-time they click on and create something others click as well and that ads to Football leading position in online ... They by being here and posting are helping build Football online profile...
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+x+x+x+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well. Half this rubbish is just that. Rubbish. Well, are few of us are actually enjoying this discussion. Really? Name them.
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Mister Football
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+x+x+x+x+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well. Half this rubbish is just that. Rubbish. Well, are few of us are actually enjoying this discussion. Really? Name them. Everyone involved. I think there is a great interest in the business of sport.
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TheSelectFew
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well. Half this rubbish is just that. Rubbish. Well, are few of us are actually enjoying this discussion. Really? Name them. Everyone involved. I think there is a great interest in the business of sport. You must be on the wrong forum because several have told you to politely get fucked.
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The Dudist
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well. Half this rubbish is just that. Rubbish. Well, are few of us are actually enjoying this discussion. Really? Name them. Everyone involved. I think there is a great interest in the business of sport. You must be on the wrong forum because several have told you to politely get fucked. This. I don't care for that god damn egg ball, or any useless statistics associated with it.
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TheSelectFew
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well. Half this rubbish is just that. Rubbish. Well, are few of us are actually enjoying this discussion. Really? Name them. Everyone involved. I think there is a great interest in the business of sport. You must be on the wrong forum because several have told you to politely get fucked. This. I don't care for that god damn egg ball, or any useless statistics associated with it. Wow I'm shocked by your attitude. Surely you were interested by these ALF stats on a football fotum. COLOUR ME SHOCKED.
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The Dudist
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well. Half this rubbish is just that. Rubbish. Well, are few of us are actually enjoying this discussion. Really? Name them. Everyone involved. I think there is a great interest in the business of sport. You must be on the wrong forum because several have told you to politely get fucked. This. I don't care for that god damn egg ball, or any useless statistics associated with it. Wow I'm shocked by your attitude. Surely you were interested by these ALF stats on a football fotum. COLOUR ME SHOCKED. Haha, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. But just in case you're not: I despise the egg.
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TheSelectFew
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well. Half this rubbish is just that. Rubbish. Well, are few of us are actually enjoying this discussion. Really? Name them. Everyone involved. I think there is a great interest in the business of sport. You must be on the wrong forum because several have told you to politely get fucked. This. I don't care for that god damn egg ball, or any useless statistics associated with it. Wow I'm shocked by your attitude. Surely you were interested by these ALF stats on a football fotum. COLOUR ME SHOCKED. Haha, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. But just in case you're not: I despise the egg. I turned into blue text.
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Mister Football
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well. Half this rubbish is just that. Rubbish. Well, are few of us are actually enjoying this discussion. Really? Name them. Everyone involved. I think there is a great interest in the business of sport. You must be on the wrong forum because several have told you to politely get fucked. Although not in so many words.
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Mister Football
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I just went looking through the Wednesday ratings on Fox, it cuts out at 42k with American Dad!
Obviously it wasn't a viewer friendly time, so that is not entirely unexpected.
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TheSelectFew
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well. Half this rubbish is just that. Rubbish. Well, are few of us are actually enjoying this discussion. Really? Name them. Everyone involved. I think there is a great interest in the business of sport. You must be on the wrong forum because several have told you to politely get fucked. Although not in so many words. Oh. So you are aware?
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Mister Football
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAm i the only one fetting nauseated by the constant AFL and NRL blabbering. Can't this thread operate like the attendances thread. There seems to be minimal comparisons between football and other codes and more internal comparisons (this year vs last year. Club vs club. Big club in a good year vs big club in a bad year. Mature markets like the WSW were they previously could not really increase vs markets that were under developed like brisbane etc.) Can we not set a benchmark and have a fullfilling discussion without refering to a game that is completely different with a different history and different structures in their tv rights? What you are saying is fair enough, on the other hand, if a regular poster asks a legitimate question and gets a good response which adds to our understanding of the sporting landscape, then I think that is fair enough as well. Half this rubbish is just that. Rubbish. Well, are few of us are actually enjoying this discussion. Really? Name them. Everyone involved. I think there is a great interest in the business of sport. You must be on the wrong forum because several have told you to politely get fucked. Although not in so many words. Oh. So you are aware? I've occasionally picked up on a vibe of unhappiness, but I merely took that to be the normal consequence of lively and robust discussion. Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought that people actually wish to visit such profanities on me.
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