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+x+x+x+x+x+xNot great really. Don't understand why the FFA or likely Fox Sports would push for sucha late start and have it firmly overlap with the tennis. Fucking dumb. A 5pm kick off would have resulted in a bigger crowd and likely better ratings with no direct competition. Not to mention and blatantly ignoring the fact there is nothing special about this fixture anymore. This is a damning indictment on a league that was become stale. We play Sydney 3 times this season, already playing them once and it has already gotten old. The A-League is in a spot of bother if the decline continues especially with the Big Bash rising. I disagree. Was the first match in Melbourne against Sydney this season. So hardly fatigue in this case. Also meaningful in the sense that it's 1st vs 2nd. So again interest should spike. The issue here is the actual broadcast time of the match. They got 87k last year and 10k less this time around. I recall a few years ago this match was played during the day. They could have easily played it at dusk considering its a work day Friday, and also to avoid with Tennis final. A dumb move by FFA/Fox. Hope they learn from it. But I certainly dont think there was less feel for the game. Just the timing of it was executed poorly. It wasn't the 500th time we played them over the last 11 seasons. Meaningless. Again public didn't see anything special about derby edition 500 and the stats are showing that. Go and speak with the fans. No one cares about Melbourne v Sydney they care about Melbourne or Sydney. That brings in the hardcore few but definitely doesn't bring the casual or the public. Oh ok so should we just assume Liverpool vs Man United is a shit match up because they play each other twice a year for the last 50 years? Surely the fans must be a bit over that too. Or any other big match up between clubs in leagues that occur twice a year. Also outside of derbies that was your best crowd by quite some margin so, yeah id say most Victory fans do consider it an important game. Like I said, the timing of the match was poor. Should have been played a lil earlier and you would have had more turning up. Simple as that. I'd also say the back to back nature home game would have meant some making a decision to go to the derby next week instead. I would also like to know what you think the solution is? Play each other only once a season? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years? Pro Rel wouldn't change any of that because they would both be unlikely to get relegated, and if they did it would be a rare occurrence, so they would still be playing each other each year. So what is the solution if you think it's becoming dire? Remember this was the first match up being played in melbourne thus far. Very comparable fixture. Im glad you brought up a league with similar number of teams and competitions, p&r and an unlimited arsenal of players at the clubs' disposal. You're comparing skills are amazing. But you sit their in shock at the stats and the facts whilst you provide such great analytical data. You go comparison god. You go. Your first sentence does nothing to back up your claim about why it is now a stale match up. P&R has nothing to do with how great of a fixture Liverpool and United are. It's purely based on rivalry. And pretty sure they have played each other a plethora of times over the years too, which contradicts your point about why Syd vs Victory play each other too often over the years hence the staleness. It was only the first game in melbourne against sydney this season ffs. PS happy to add in any major rivalry in any league that's not a derby. There are plenty of them. The level of skill has nothing to do with it. If a rivalry exists it exists. And it still does for Melb Vic vs Sydney FC, hence why you got your biggest attendance by some margin this season outside of the derby. So melbourne people clearly disagree with you. The point being argued on here is whether or not the crowd could have and should have been bigger if played at a friendlier time than 8pm on a school night. Not that the crowd was pathetic and that is because there is no rivalry anymore.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNot great really. Don't understand why the FFA or likely Fox Sports would push for sucha late start and have it firmly overlap with the tennis. Fucking dumb. A 5pm kick off would have resulted in a bigger crowd and likely better ratings with no direct competition. Not to mention and blatantly ignoring the fact there is nothing special about this fixture anymore. This is a damning indictment on a league that was become stale. We play Sydney 3 times this season, already playing them once and it has already gotten old. The A-League is in a spot of bother if the decline continues especially with the Big Bash rising. I disagree. Was the first match in Melbourne against Sydney this season. So hardly fatigue in this case. Also meaningful in the sense that it's 1st vs 2nd. So again interest should spike. The issue here is the actual broadcast time of the match. They got 87k last year and 10k less this time around. I recall a few years ago this match was played during the day. They could have easily played it at dusk considering its a work day Friday, and also to avoid with Tennis final. A dumb move by FFA/Fox. Hope they learn from it. But I certainly dont think there was less feel for the game. Just the timing of it was executed poorly. It wasn't the 500th time we played them over the last 11 seasons. Meaningless. Again public didn't see anything special about derby edition 500 and the stats are showing that. Go and speak with the fans. No one cares about Melbourne v Sydney they care about Melbourne or Sydney. That brings in the hardcore few but definitely doesn't bring the casual or the public. Oh ok so should we just assume Liverpool vs Man United is a shit match up because they play each other twice a year for the last 50 years? Surely the fans must be a bit over that too. Or any other big match up between clubs in leagues that occur twice a year. Also outside of derbies that was your best crowd by quite some margin so, yeah id say most Victory fans do consider it an important game. Like I said, the timing of the match was poor. Should have been played a lil earlier and you would have had more turning up. Simple as that. I'd also say the back to back nature home game would have meant some making a decision to go to the derby next week instead. I would also like to know what you think the solution is? Play each other only once a season? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years? Pro Rel wouldn't change any of that because they would both be unlikely to get relegated, and if they did it would be a rare occurrence, so they would still be playing each other each year. So what is the solution if you think it's becoming dire? Remember this was the first match up being played in melbourne thus far. Very comparable fixture. Im glad you brought up a league with similar number of teams and competitions, p&r and an unlimited arsenal of players at the clubs' disposal. You're comparing skills are amazing. But you sit their in shock at the stats and the facts whilst you provide such great analytical data. You go comparison god. You go. Your first sentence does nothing to back up your claim about why it is now a stale match up. P&R has nothing to do with how great of a fixture Liverpool and United are. It's purely based on rivalry. And pretty sure they have played each other a plethora of times over the years too, which contradicts your point about why Syd vs Victory play each other too often over the years hence the staleness. It was only the first game in melbourne against sydney this season ffs. PS happy to add in any major rivalry in any league that's not a derby. There are plenty of them. The level of skill has nothing to do with it. If a rivalry exists it exists. And it still does for Melb Vic vs Sydney FC, hence why you got your biggest attendance by some margin this season outside of the derby. So melbourne people clearly disagree with you. The point being argued on here is whether or not the crowd could have and should have been bigger if played at a friendlier time than 8pm on a school night. Not that the crowd was pathetic and that is because there is no rivalry anymore. Then let's play a game. Let's see if crowds decrease or increase over the course of the year and see if we can reach a conclusion. My bet is it will decrease because the league is stale and the only solution to add to the league has been Geelong Neo Nazis and shitty franchise attempts.
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Adelaide against Mariners would be an interesting fixture this season.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNot great really. Don't understand why the FFA or likely Fox Sports would push for sucha late start and have it firmly overlap with the tennis. Fucking dumb. A 5pm kick off would have resulted in a bigger crowd and likely better ratings with no direct competition. Not to mention and blatantly ignoring the fact there is nothing special about this fixture anymore. This is a damning indictment on a league that was become stale. We play Sydney 3 times this season, already playing them once and it has already gotten old. The A-League is in a spot of bother if the decline continues especially with the Big Bash rising. I disagree. Was the first match in Melbourne against Sydney this season. So hardly fatigue in this case. Also meaningful in the sense that it's 1st vs 2nd. So again interest should spike. The issue here is the actual broadcast time of the match. They got 87k last year and 10k less this time around. I recall a few years ago this match was played during the day. They could have easily played it at dusk considering its a work day Friday, and also to avoid with Tennis final. A dumb move by FFA/Fox. Hope they learn from it. But I certainly dont think there was less feel for the game. Just the timing of it was executed poorly. It wasn't the 500th time we played them over the last 11 seasons. Meaningless. Again public didn't see anything special about derby edition 500 and the stats are showing that. Go and speak with the fans. No one cares about Melbourne v Sydney they care about Melbourne or Sydney. That brings in the hardcore few but definitely doesn't bring the casual or the public. Oh ok so should we just assume Liverpool vs Man United is a shit match up because they play each other twice a year for the last 50 years? Surely the fans must be a bit over that too. Or any other big match up between clubs in leagues that occur twice a year. Also outside of derbies that was your best crowd by quite some margin so, yeah id say most Victory fans do consider it an important game. Like I said, the timing of the match was poor. Should have been played a lil earlier and you would have had more turning up. Simple as that. I'd also say the back to back nature home game would have meant some making a decision to go to the derby next week instead. I would also like to know what you think the solution is? Play each other only once a season? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years? Pro Rel wouldn't change any of that because they would both be unlikely to get relegated, and if they did it would be a rare occurrence, so they would still be playing each other each year. So what is the solution if you think it's becoming dire? Remember this was the first match up being played in melbourne thus far. Very comparable fixture. Im glad you brought up a league with similar number of teams and competitions, p&r and an unlimited arsenal of players at the clubs' disposal. You're comparing skills are amazing. But you sit their in shock at the stats and the facts whilst you provide such great analytical data. You go comparison god. You go. Your first sentence does nothing to back up your claim about why it is now a stale match up. P&R has nothing to do with how great of a fixture Liverpool and United are. It's purely based on rivalry. And pretty sure they have played each other a plethora of times over the years too, which contradicts your point about why Syd vs Victory play each other too often over the years hence the staleness. It was only the first game in melbourne against sydney this season ffs. PS happy to add in any major rivalry in any league that's not a derby. There are plenty of them. The level of skill has nothing to do with it. If a rivalry exists it exists. And it still does for Melb Vic vs Sydney FC, hence why you got your biggest attendance by some margin this season outside of the derby. So melbourne people clearly disagree with you. The point being argued on here is whether or not the crowd could have and should have been bigger if played at a friendlier time than 8pm on a school night. Not that the crowd was pathetic and that is because there is no rivalry anymore. Then let's play a game. Let's see if crowds decrease or increase over the course of the year and see if we can reach a conclusion. My bet is it will decrease because the league is stale and the only solution to add to the league has been Geelong Neo Nazis and shitty franchise attempts. Yet here we are mid season and Victory have managed their 2nd best home attendance of the season... So I wouldn't say they are going backwards are they? The biggest games are the derbies at the start of the season. That's obvious. Not to mention everything is fresh from 4 months of off season. But crowds remain relatively steady throughout the year. The dips that we normally see are in the tv ratings at around Christmas time which is what we have seen here, but then even with tv ratings they pick up again later on.
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Last couple of years the big blue has barely cracked the 20 000. Last nights attendance was one of the better attended games.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNot great really. Don't understand why the FFA or likely Fox Sports would push for sucha late start and have it firmly overlap with the tennis. Fucking dumb. A 5pm kick off would have resulted in a bigger crowd and likely better ratings with no direct competition. Not to mention and blatantly ignoring the fact there is nothing special about this fixture anymore. This is a damning indictment on a league that was become stale. We play Sydney 3 times this season, already playing them once and it has already gotten old. The A-League is in a spot of bother if the decline continues especially with the Big Bash rising. I disagree. Was the first match in Melbourne against Sydney this season. So hardly fatigue in this case. Also meaningful in the sense that it's 1st vs 2nd. So again interest should spike. The issue here is the actual broadcast time of the match. They got 87k last year and 10k less this time around. I recall a few years ago this match was played during the day. They could have easily played it at dusk considering its a work day Friday, and also to avoid with Tennis final. A dumb move by FFA/Fox. Hope they learn from it. But I certainly dont think there was less feel for the game. Just the timing of it was executed poorly. It wasn't the 500th time we played them over the last 11 seasons. Meaningless. Again public didn't see anything special about derby edition 500 and the stats are showing that. Go and speak with the fans. No one cares about Melbourne v Sydney they care about Melbourne or Sydney. That brings in the hardcore few but definitely doesn't bring the casual or the public. Oh ok so should we just assume Liverpool vs Man United is a shit match up because they play each other twice a year for the last 50 years? Surely the fans must be a bit over that too. Or any other big match up between clubs in leagues that occur twice a year. Also outside of derbies that was your best crowd by quite some margin so, yeah id say most Victory fans do consider it an important game. Like I said, the timing of the match was poor. Should have been played a lil earlier and you would have had more turning up. Simple as that. I'd also say the back to back nature home game would have meant some making a decision to go to the derby next week instead. I would also like to know what you think the solution is? Play each other only once a season? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years? Pro Rel wouldn't change any of that because they would both be unlikely to get relegated, and if they did it would be a rare occurrence, so they would still be playing each other each year. So what is the solution if you think it's becoming dire? Remember this was the first match up being played in melbourne thus far. Very comparable fixture. Im glad you brought up a league with similar number of teams and competitions, p&r and an unlimited arsenal of players at the clubs' disposal. You're comparing skills are amazing. But you sit their in shock at the stats and the facts whilst you provide such great analytical data. You go comparison god. You go. Your first sentence does nothing to back up your claim about why it is now a stale match up. P&R has nothing to do with how great of a fixture Liverpool and United are. It's purely based on rivalry. And pretty sure they have played each other a plethora of times over the years too, which contradicts your point about why Syd vs Victory play each other too often over the years hence the staleness. It was only the first game in melbourne against sydney this season ffs. PS happy to add in any major rivalry in any league that's not a derby. There are plenty of them. The level of skill has nothing to do with it. If a rivalry exists it exists. And it still does for Melb Vic vs Sydney FC, hence why you got your biggest attendance by some margin this season outside of the derby. So melbourne people clearly disagree with you. The point being argued on here is whether or not the crowd could have and should have been bigger if played at a friendlier time than 8pm on a school night. Not that the crowd was pathetic and that is because there is no rivalry anymore. Then let's play a game. Let's see if crowds decrease or increase over the course of the year and see if we can reach a conclusion. My bet is it will decrease because the league is stale and the only solution to add to the league has been Geelong Neo Nazis and shitty franchise attempts. Yet here we are mid season and Victory have managed their 2nd best home attendance of the season... So I wouldn't say they are going backwards are they? The biggest games are the derbies at the start of the season. That's obvious. Not to mention everything is fresh from 4 months of off season. But crowds remain relatively steady throughout the year. The dips that we normally see are in the tv ratings at around Christmas time which is what we have seen here, but then even with tv ratings they pick up again later on. Relatively steady? It was top two teams. One team going for the first undefeated season in ALeague history the other one with a chance to climb up. Let's just play the game.
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Total attendance after 81 games in the 5 years with the current clubs has varied between 1.008m and 1.120m. This season it is 1.070m with 2 years higher and 2 years lower so its reasonable to say that the trend is fairly steady. A typical season's pattern starts off with good crowds in the first 3rd of the season, lower average crowds in the second 3rd of the season and a slight upswing in the last 3rd of the season. The last 3rd of the season can vary "significantly" depending on the closeness of the competition.
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+xAdelaide against Mariners would be an interesting fixture this season. It would have been if there was promotion/relegation. It's now a dead rubber! YAWN!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNot great really. Don't understand why the FFA or likely Fox Sports would push for sucha late start and have it firmly overlap with the tennis. Fucking dumb. A 5pm kick off would have resulted in a bigger crowd and likely better ratings with no direct competition. Not to mention and blatantly ignoring the fact there is nothing special about this fixture anymore. This is a damning indictment on a league that was become stale. We play Sydney 3 times this season, already playing them once and it has already gotten old. The A-League is in a spot of bother if the decline continues especially with the Big Bash rising. I disagree. Was the first match in Melbourne against Sydney this season. So hardly fatigue in this case. Also meaningful in the sense that it's 1st vs 2nd. So again interest should spike. The issue here is the actual broadcast time of the match. They got 87k last year and 10k less this time around. I recall a few years ago this match was played during the day. They could have easily played it at dusk considering its a work day Friday, and also to avoid with Tennis final. A dumb move by FFA/Fox. Hope they learn from it. But I certainly dont think there was less feel for the game. Just the timing of it was executed poorly. It wasn't the 500th time we played them over the last 11 seasons. Meaningless. Again public didn't see anything special about derby edition 500 and the stats are showing that. Go and speak with the fans. No one cares about Melbourne v Sydney they care about Melbourne or Sydney. That brings in the hardcore few but definitely doesn't bring the casual or the public. Oh ok so should we just assume Liverpool vs Man United is a shit match up because they play each other twice a year for the last 50 years? Surely the fans must be a bit over that too. Or any other big match up between clubs in leagues that occur twice a year. Also outside of derbies that was your best crowd by quite some margin so, yeah id say most Victory fans do consider it an important game. Like I said, the timing of the match was poor. Should have been played a lil earlier and you would have had more turning up. Simple as that. I'd also say the back to back nature home game would have meant some making a decision to go to the derby next week instead. I would also like to know what you think the solution is? Play each other only once a season? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years? Pro Rel wouldn't change any of that because they would both be unlikely to get relegated, and if they did it would be a rare occurrence, so they would still be playing each other each year. So what is the solution if you think it's becoming dire? Remember this was the first match up being played in melbourne thus far. Very comparable fixture. Im glad you brought up a league with similar number of teams and competitions, p&r and an unlimited arsenal of players at the clubs' disposal. You're comparing skills are amazing. But you sit their in shock at the stats and the facts whilst you provide such great analytical data. You go comparison god. You go. Your first sentence does nothing to back up your claim about why it is now a stale match up. P&R has nothing to do with how great of a fixture Liverpool and United are. It's purely based on rivalry. And pretty sure they have played each other a plethora of times over the years too, which contradicts your point about why Syd vs Victory play each other too often over the years hence the staleness. It was only the first game in melbourne against sydney this season ffs. PS happy to add in any major rivalry in any league that's not a derby. There are plenty of them. The level of skill has nothing to do with it. If a rivalry exists it exists. And it still does for Melb Vic vs Sydney FC, hence why you got your biggest attendance by some margin this season outside of the derby. So melbourne people clearly disagree with you. The point being argued on here is whether or not the crowd could have and should have been bigger if played at a friendlier time than 8pm on a school night. Not that the crowd was pathetic and that is because there is no rivalry anymore. School holidays still in full swing so not sure if playing 3 hours earlier would've made much of a difference
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNot great really. Don't understand why the FFA or likely Fox Sports would push for sucha late start and have it firmly overlap with the tennis. Fucking dumb. A 5pm kick off would have resulted in a bigger crowd and likely better ratings with no direct competition. Not to mention and blatantly ignoring the fact there is nothing special about this fixture anymore. This is a damning indictment on a league that was become stale. We play Sydney 3 times this season, already playing them once and it has already gotten old. The A-League is in a spot of bother if the decline continues especially with the Big Bash rising. I disagree. Was the first match in Melbourne against Sydney this season. So hardly fatigue in this case. Also meaningful in the sense that it's 1st vs 2nd. So again interest should spike. The issue here is the actual broadcast time of the match. They got 87k last year and 10k less this time around. I recall a few years ago this match was played during the day. They could have easily played it at dusk considering its a work day Friday, and also to avoid with Tennis final. A dumb move by FFA/Fox. Hope they learn from it. But I certainly dont think there was less feel for the game. Just the timing of it was executed poorly. It wasn't the 500th time we played them over the last 11 seasons. Meaningless. Again public didn't see anything special about derby edition 500 and the stats are showing that. Go and speak with the fans. No one cares about Melbourne v Sydney they care about Melbourne or Sydney. That brings in the hardcore few but definitely doesn't bring the casual or the public. Oh ok so should we just assume Liverpool vs Man United is a shit match up because they play each other twice a year for the last 50 years? Surely the fans must be a bit over that too. Or any other big match up between clubs in leagues that occur twice a year. Also outside of derbies that was your best crowd by quite some margin so, yeah id say most Victory fans do consider it an important game. Like I said, the timing of the match was poor. Should have been played a lil earlier and you would have had more turning up. Simple as that. I'd also say the back to back nature home game would have meant some making a decision to go to the derby next week instead. I would also like to know what you think the solution is? Play each other only once a season? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years? Pro Rel wouldn't change any of that because they would both be unlikely to get relegated, and if they did it would be a rare occurrence, so they would still be playing each other each year. So what is the solution if you think it's becoming dire? Remember this was the first match up being played in melbourne thus far. Very comparable fixture. Im glad you brought up a league with similar number of teams and competitions, p&r and an unlimited arsenal of players at the clubs' disposal. You're comparing skills are amazing. But you sit their in shock at the stats and the facts whilst you provide such great analytical data. You go comparison god. You go. Your first sentence does nothing to back up your claim about why it is now a stale match up. P&R has nothing to do with how great of a fixture Liverpool and United are. It's purely based on rivalry. And pretty sure they have played each other a plethora of times over the years too, which contradicts your point about why Syd vs Victory play each other too often over the years hence the staleness. It was only the first game in melbourne against sydney this season ffs. PS happy to add in any major rivalry in any league that's not a derby. There are plenty of them. The level of skill has nothing to do with it. If a rivalry exists it exists. And it still does for Melb Vic vs Sydney FC, hence why you got your biggest attendance by some margin this season outside of the derby. So melbourne people clearly disagree with you. The point being argued on here is whether or not the crowd could have and should have been bigger if played at a friendlier time than 8pm on a school night. Not that the crowd was pathetic and that is because there is no rivalry anymore. School holidays still in full swing so not sure if playing 3 hours earlier would've made much of a difference School holidays dictate whether kids go to games at all or not, not whether they decide to go to later games. Especially in the A-League
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xNot great really. Don't understand why the FFA or likely Fox Sports would push for sucha late start and have it firmly overlap with the tennis. Fucking dumb. A 5pm kick off would have resulted in a bigger crowd and likely better ratings with no direct competition. Not to mention and blatantly ignoring the fact there is nothing special about this fixture anymore. This is a damning indictment on a league that was become stale. We play Sydney 3 times this season, already playing them once and it has already gotten old. The A-League is in a spot of bother if the decline continues especially with the Big Bash rising. I disagree. Was the first match in Melbourne against Sydney this season. So hardly fatigue in this case. Also meaningful in the sense that it's 1st vs 2nd. So again interest should spike. The issue here is the actual broadcast time of the match. They got 87k last year and 10k less this time around. I recall a few years ago this match was played during the day. They could have easily played it at dusk considering its a work day Friday, and also to avoid with Tennis final. A dumb move by FFA/Fox. Hope they learn from it. But I certainly dont think there was less feel for the game. Just the timing of it was executed poorly. It wasn't the 500th time we played them over the last 11 seasons. Meaningless. Again public didn't see anything special about derby edition 500 and the stats are showing that. Go and speak with the fans. No one cares about Melbourne v Sydney they care about Melbourne or Sydney. That brings in the hardcore few but definitely doesn't bring the casual or the public. Oh ok so should we just assume Liverpool vs Man United is a shit match up because they play each other twice a year for the last 50 years? Surely the fans must be a bit over that too. Or any other big match up between clubs in leagues that occur twice a year. Also outside of derbies that was your best crowd by quite some margin so, yeah id say most Victory fans do consider it an important game. Like I said, the timing of the match was poor. Should have been played a lil earlier and you would have had more turning up. Simple as that. I'd also say the back to back nature home game would have meant some making a decision to go to the derby next week instead. I would also like to know what you think the solution is? Play each other only once a season? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years? Pro Rel wouldn't change any of that because they would both be unlikely to get relegated, and if they did it would be a rare occurrence, so they would still be playing each other each year. So what is the solution if you think it's becoming dire? Remember this was the first match up being played in melbourne thus far. Very comparable fixture. Im glad you brought up a league with similar number of teams and competitions, p&r and an unlimited arsenal of players at the clubs' disposal. You're comparing skills are amazing. But you sit their in shock at the stats and the facts whilst you provide such great analytical data. You go comparison god. You go. Your first sentence does nothing to back up your claim about why it is now a stale match up. P&R has nothing to do with how great of a fixture Liverpool and United are. It's purely based on rivalry. And pretty sure they have played each other a plethora of times over the years too, which contradicts your point about why Syd vs Victory play each other too often over the years hence the staleness. It was only the first game in melbourne against sydney this season ffs. PS happy to add in any major rivalry in any league that's not a derby. There are plenty of them. The level of skill has nothing to do with it. If a rivalry exists it exists. And it still does for Melb Vic vs Sydney FC, hence why you got your biggest attendance by some margin this season outside of the derby. So melbourne people clearly disagree with you. The point being argued on here is whether or not the crowd could have and should have been bigger if played at a friendlier time than 8pm on a school night. Not that the crowd was pathetic and that is because there is no rivalry anymore. School holidays still in full swing so not sure if playing 3 hours earlier would've made much of a difference School holidays dictate whether kids go to games at all or not, not whether they decide to go to later games. Especially in the A-League Nah that's on me. I completely misread what Davo wrote
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+xTotal attendance after 81 games in the 5 years with the current clubs has varied between 1.008m and 1.120m. This season it is 1.070m with 2 years higher and 2 years lower so its reasonable to say that the trend is fairly steady. A typical season's pattern starts off with good crowds in the first 3rd of the season, lower average crowds in the second 3rd of the season and a slight upswing in the last 3rd of the season. The last 3rd of the season can vary "significantly" depending on the closeness of the competition. Yep thats what i thought. Slight dip in interest in the christmas period and then it picks up near the end. So not a decline overall.
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Should have swapped the BR games. Would have rated just the same and given BR more time to play their ACL qualifier. This weekend's tv ratings should be a complete write off anyway. Wish we had football people in charge
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That's just getting into the top 20 on a Friday night ahead of Family Guy. It looks like Media Week has stopped reporting the SBS numbers, haven't seen them for ages. The question is why? Too low to report?
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+x+xAdelaide against Mariners would be an interesting fixture this season. It would have been if there was promotion/relegation. It's now a dead rubber! YAWN! If we are going to have 10 years of talking about promotion and relegation on every thread we may as well shut this site down now.
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bitza
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+x+x+xAdelaide against Mariners would be an interesting fixture this season. It would have been if there was promotion/relegation. It's now a dead rubber! YAWN! If we are going to have 10 years of talking about promotion and relegation on every thread we may as well shut this site down now. This should be a serious consideration. Because I for one want relegation and promotion, but not to the point that I won't accept any football without it. People on this site are throwing the baby out with the bath water. And using rel/pro as a witch cry for everything that's wrong in the world. Ratings are down..... "No rel/pro" (witch) Crowds are down..... "No rel/pro" (witch) Global warming is really happening.... "No rel/pro" (witch) Shit needs to stop or people will just stop coming here to have football discussions. Keep it on topic, there are discussions for Rel/pro, keep it there
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It is a long weekend.When people go away.they aren't watching Foxtel.They are watching FTA.
Hence FTA sports are doing well and HAL is doing diabolically.That's ignoring the ten team boredom ,with SFC. already guaranteed the Premiership.
It makes you wonder what they talk about at FFA?
They way the tv rights have been handled,makes them look pretty dumb,when it come to how football ratings have been trending over the last few years.
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+xIt is a long weekend.When people go away.they aren't watching Foxtel.They are watching FTA.Hence FTA sports are doing well and HAL is doing diabolically.That's ignoring the ten team boredom ,with SFC. already guaranteed the Premiership.It makes you wonder what they talk about at FFA?They way the tv rights have been handled,makes them look pretty dumb, when it come to how football ratings have been trending over the last few years. What is it that you are concerned about how the ratings have been trending? Is it that this season the average rating is up 20% on last season or that it is up 3% of the season before that? Are you comparing what the ratings were like when Del Piero, Heskey and Ono were here? Or are you concerned about the increasing impact of the BBL?
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Mediaweek @MediaweekAUS 22m22 minutes ago
Sat STV #ALeague #FoxSports #CCMvPER 48k
Mediaweek @MediaweekAUS 23m23 minutes ago
Sat STV #ALeague #FoxSports #BRivWSW 65k
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Gyfox,we can all look at ratings statistics and draw conclusions.Like the obvious ones....
We know the ratings drop off after the new year until finals.
We know Marquees have had a positive effect on ratings.
Ratings are up on last year .But last year was down on the previous year.FFA should have done more last year ,knowing they were doing media deals this year.
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+x+x+xAdelaide against Mariners would be an interesting fixture this season. It would have been if there was promotion/relegation. It's now a dead rubber! YAWN! If we are going to have 10 years of talking about promotion and relegation on every thread we may as well shut this site down now. Oh no...
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+x+x+x+xAdelaide against Mariners would be an interesting fixture this season. It would have been if there was promotion/relegation. It's now a dead rubber! YAWN! If we are going to have 10 years of talking about promotion and relegation on every thread we may as well shut this site down now. This should be a serious consideration. Because I for one want relegation and promotion, but not to the point that I won't accept any football without it. People on this site are throwing the baby out with the bath water. And using rel/pro as a witch cry for everything that's wrong in the world. Ratings are down..... "No rel/pro" (witch) Crowds are down..... "No rel/pro" (witch) Global warming is really happening.... "No rel/pro" (witch) Shit needs to stop or people will just stop coming here to have football discussions. Keep it on topic, there are discussions for Rel/pro, keep it there But its a valid and relevant point Those against P/R state that with P/R there is a 2 horse race and nothing to play for. Yet in a balanced single tier league with a top 6 we are seeing dead rubbers in the second segment of the season FFS The bottom line there is no evidence the "Australian way" is giving us any advantage we wouldnt have otherwise gotten if we had P/R and no salary cap. Ratings are less than impressive, they still drop this part of the year. And the stats show time and time again that most people are only interested in the big teams, big games and big players regardless of which minnow team has a mathematical chance of finishing in the bottom half of the table All this "Australian way" shit we throw at our league such as a top 6 instead of a sensible finals system, a salary cap instead at the expense of spending on decent players, a single tier instead of more clubs in a viable structure, concessions, rigged outcomes, bonus goals (yes it has been done before!) has not seen any movement in attendances or ratings in 5 years. Not even having CCM and NCJ as part of a generation growing up over 12 years has seen the predicted rusted on growth. Or the taking it inturns in winning titles The opportunity is there to structure the league in a way that makes most sense to our game, in the confederation we are in, in the code we play, in a way that will reap the most rewards to our game. And in doing to there is no danger to losing the 10k crowds, 60k ratings, and dead rubbers we currently enjoy
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+x+x+x+x+xAdelaide against Mariners would be an interesting fixture this season. It would have been if there was promotion/relegation. It's now a dead rubber! YAWN! If we are going to have 10 years of talking about promotion and relegation on every thread we may as well shut this site down now. This should be a serious consideration. Because I for one want relegation and promotion, but not to the point that I won't accept any football without it. People on this site are throwing the baby out with the bath water. And using rel/pro as a witch cry for everything that's wrong in the world. Ratings are down..... "No rel/pro" (witch) Crowds are down..... "No rel/pro" (witch) Global warming is really happening.... "No rel/pro" (witch) Shit needs to stop or people will just stop coming here to have football discussions. Keep it on topic, there are discussions for Rel/pro, keep it there But its a valid and relevant point Those against P/R state that with P/R there is a 2 horse race and nothing to play for. Yet in a balanced single tier league with a top 6 we are seeing dead rubbers in the second segment of the season FFS The bottom line there is no evidence the "Australian way" is giving us any advantage we wouldnt have otherwise gotten if we had P/R and no salary cap. Ratings are less than impressive, they still drop this part of the year. And the stats show time and time again that most people are only interested in the big teams, big games and big players regardless of which minnow team has a mathematical chance of finishing in the bottom half of the table All this "Australian way" shit we throw at our league such as a top 6 instead of a sensible finals system, a salary cap instead at the expense of spending on decent players, a single tier instead of more clubs in a viable structure, concessions, rigged outcomes, bonus goals (yes it has been done before!) has not seen any movement in attendances or ratings in 5 years. Not even having CCM and NCJ as part of a generation growing up over 12 years has seen the predicted rusted on growth. Or the taking it inturns in winning titles The opportunity is there to structure the league in a way that makes most sense to our game, in the confederation we are in, in the code we play, in a way that will reap the most rewards to our game. And in doing to there is no danger to losing the 10k crowds, 60k ratings, and dead rubbers we currently enjoy No one is saying its not an invalid point. But do you have anything else to add. Posters like you do provide a more broad range of content to the discussion (even if it does always appear to be negative) but at least its there. Others are just blaming everything because of a lack of rel/pro. That's the point we are making
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+x+x+x+xAdelaide against Mariners would be an interesting fixture this season. It would have been if there was promotion/relegation. It's now a dead rubber! YAWN! If we are going to have 10 years of talking about promotion and relegation on every thread we may as well shut this site down now. This should be a serious consideration. Because I for one want relegation and promotion, but not to the point that I won't accept any football without it. Everyone who keeps handing over cash to the HAL is supporting it in it's current model. If you think things are ever going to change whilst doing that, good luck to you The only time the FFA have actually taken notice of anyone is when they were hit in their backpocket. Boycotts just as the TV deal was about to be negotiated. P.S Not accepting the HAL =/= not accepting any football
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAdelaide against Mariners would be an interesting fixture this season. It would have been if there was promotion/relegation. It's now a dead rubber! YAWN! If we are going to have 10 years of talking about promotion and relegation on every thread we may as well shut this site down now. This should be a serious consideration. Because I for one want relegation and promotion, but not to the point that I won't accept any football without it. People on this site are throwing the baby out with the bath water. And using rel/pro as a witch cry for everything that's wrong in the world. Ratings are down..... "No rel/pro" (witch) Crowds are down..... "No rel/pro" (witch) Global warming is really happening.... "No rel/pro" (witch) Shit needs to stop or people will just stop coming here to have football discussions. Keep it on topic, there are discussions for Rel/pro, keep it there But its a valid and relevant point Those against P/R state that with P/R there is a 2 horse race and nothing to play for. Yet in a balanced single tier league with a top 6 we are seeing dead rubbers in the second segment of the season FFS The bottom line there is no evidence the "Australian way" is giving us any advantage we wouldnt have otherwise gotten if we had P/R and no salary cap. Ratings are less than impressive, they still drop this part of the year. And the stats show time and time again that most people are only interested in the big teams, big games and big players regardless of which minnow team has a mathematical chance of finishing in the bottom half of the table All this "Australian way" shit we throw at our league such as a top 6 instead of a sensible finals system, a salary cap instead at the expense of spending on decent players, a single tier instead of more clubs in a viable structure, concessions, rigged outcomes, bonus goals (yes it has been done before!) has not seen any movement in attendances or ratings in 5 years. Not even having CCM and NCJ as part of a generation growing up over 12 years has seen the predicted rusted on growth. Or the taking it inturns in winning titles The opportunity is there to structure the league in a way that makes most sense to our game, in the confederation we are in, in the code we play, in a way that will reap the most rewards to our game. And in doing to there is no danger to losing the 10k crowds, 60k ratings, and dead rubbers we currently enjoy Others are just blaming everything because of a lack of rel/pro. The only thing that won't be fixed with P&R is NSLaphobia. People will just have to grow out of it.
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+x+x+x+x+xAdelaide against Mariners would be an interesting fixture this season. It would have been if there was promotion/relegation. It's now a dead rubber! YAWN! If we are going to have 10 years of talking about promotion and relegation on every thread we may as well shut this site down now. This should be a serious consideration. Because I for one want relegation and promotion, but not to the point that I won't accept any football without it. People on this site are throwing the baby out with the bath water. And using rel/pro as a witch cry for everything that's wrong in the world. Ratings are down..... "No rel/pro" (witch) Crowds are down..... "No rel/pro" (witch) Global warming is really happening.... "No rel/pro" (witch) Shit needs to stop or people will just stop coming here to have football discussions. Keep it on topic, there are discussions for Rel/pro, keep it there But its a valid and relevant point Those against P/R state that with P/R there is a 2 horse race and nothing to play for. Yet in a balanced single tier league with a top 6 we are seeing dead rubbers in the second segment of the season FFS The bottom line there is no evidence the "Australian way" is giving us any advantage we wouldnt have otherwise gotten if we had P/R and no salary cap. Ratings are less than impressive, they still drop this part of the year. And the stats show time and time again that most people are only interested in the big teams, big games and big players regardless of which minnow team has a mathematical chance of finishing in the bottom half of the table All this "Australian way" shit we throw at our league such as a top 6 instead of a sensible finals system, a salary cap instead at the expense of spending on decent players, a single tier instead of more clubs in a viable structure, concessions, rigged outcomes, bonus goals (yes it has been done before!) has not seen any movement in attendances or ratings in 5 years. Not even having CCM and NCJ as part of a generation growing up over 12 years has seen the predicted rusted on growth. Or the taking it inturns in winning titles The opportunity is there to structure the league in a way that makes most sense to our game, in the confederation we are in, in the code we play, in a way that will reap the most rewards to our game. And in doing to there is no danger to losing the 10k crowds, 60k ratings, and dead rubbers we currently enjoy Altho I do agree with most of your points here, I must say, I am a lil weary and skeptical as to whether scrapping the cap for example really will bring more fans and ratings to our game. What we know is that by scrapping the cap, clubs will no doubt overspend above their means. The tendency will be there and they will have no choice now that relegation and promotion would also be introduced. To counteract the losses some clubs will incur, others you would think will be able to expand in order to increase attendances and ratings to our game, which ultimately will bring more money into the game via broadcast rights and sponsorships etc. However, at present we have a situation whereby only 1 club is actually taking advantage of spending where they can and actually trying to make a difference league wide (Melb City with Cahill). Sydney FC for example, have the ability to spend big on 3 marquee players at present, yet have opted to go for players that will not do anything to bring crowds and ratings up as a whole. So in essence by scrapping the cap, you wouldn't all of a sudden see a big shift upwards in talent or marketable players in our league, but instead just see most of the average players asking for more because their agents know they can demand it, and the clubs will just end up paying more than they really should. Relegation and promotion would however bring in more interest for the lower table teams as there would be less dead rubbers. So you would see a shift upwards in ratings etc in that department, but how much of an increase is anyone's guess. But in terms of scrapping the cap so the big clubs could really become giants, I just can't see it happening. THey will just end up spending a bit more on largely unknown players that may raise the bar of quality but at the expense of all other clubs spending above their means to keep up and the front runners not really bringing in new fans in despite the slightly increase in quality. Case in point Sydney FC this season.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAdelaide against Mariners would be an interesting fixture this season. It would have been if there was promotion/relegation. It's now a dead rubber! YAWN! If we are going to have 10 years of talking about promotion and relegation on every thread we may as well shut this site down now. This should be a serious consideration. Because I for one want relegation and promotion, but not to the point that I won't accept any football without it. People on this site are throwing the baby out with the bath water. And using rel/pro as a witch cry for everything that's wrong in the world. Ratings are down..... "No rel/pro" (witch) Crowds are down..... "No rel/pro" (witch) Global warming is really happening.... "No rel/pro" (witch) Shit needs to stop or people will just stop coming here to have football discussions. Keep it on topic, there are discussions for Rel/pro, keep it there But its a valid and relevant point Those against P/R state that with P/R there is a 2 horse race and nothing to play for. Yet in a balanced single tier league with a top 6 we are seeing dead rubbers in the second segment of the season FFS The bottom line there is no evidence the "Australian way" is giving us any advantage we wouldnt have otherwise gotten if we had P/R and no salary cap. Ratings are less than impressive, they still drop this part of the year. And the stats show time and time again that most people are only interested in the big teams, big games and big players regardless of which minnow team has a mathematical chance of finishing in the bottom half of the table All this "Australian way" shit we throw at our league such as a top 6 instead of a sensible finals system, a salary cap instead at the expense of spending on decent players, a single tier instead of more clubs in a viable structure, concessions, rigged outcomes, bonus goals (yes it has been done before!) has not seen any movement in attendances or ratings in 5 years. Not even having CCM and NCJ as part of a generation growing up over 12 years has seen the predicted rusted on growth. Or the taking it inturns in winning titles The opportunity is there to structure the league in a way that makes most sense to our game, in the confederation we are in, in the code we play, in a way that will reap the most rewards to our game. And in doing to there is no danger to losing the 10k crowds, 60k ratings, and dead rubbers we currently enjoy However, at present we have a situation whereby only 1 club is actually taking advantage of spending where they can and actually trying to make a difference league wide (Melb City with Cahill). Sydney FC for example, have the ability to spend big on 3 marquee players at present, yet have opted to go for players that will not do anything to bring crowds and ratings up as a whole. So in essence by scrapping the cap, you wouldn't all of a sudden see a big shift upwards in talent or marketable players in our league, but instead just see most of the average players asking for more because their agents know they can demand it, and the clubs will just end up paying more than they really should. I think you're describing problems of the current set up. I don't think they will translate to the new set up if the salary cap is removed For example: Under the current set up we would have risked losing WSW, which would have spelt an end to the Sydney derby. In an open market that will never happen due to the balance of power Under the current set up clubs are not spending sensibly, some not at all in terms of quality players. Most (all?) club owners are angry at the FFA. Even City are demanding more money and more revenue opportunities and not spending as much as they could. Yet, as you have said, in an open league clubs will be spending more of their own money. The difference is investing $6m into your club vs $6m into the league itself. Using $6m to make your team a success vs $6m to take it in turns in winning titles Marquee players are good for giving your team 1/10th of their value but very few clubs have been able to justify the expense. A marquee fund suits this communist structure perfectly because it really is a value add for the league and not for the club. Not many teams have had a win out of it. In an open market (assuming owners own their clubs) then big players are part of giving your team a competitive edge. Bums on seats is an inevitable side effect (instead of the purpose) I don't think Sydney are purposely choosing bad players. Player value is ambiguous at best. Not many coaches like the idea of working around a marketing exercise. Even Adelaide lost the title in season 2 as a result of Romario (pretty sure they were neck and neck with Victory at that point) The value of the Australian players will be driven by the Asian leagues. I don't think removing the salary cap will mean wages double across the board. I think it will be a case of the best 50 players going to the top 5 teams and the top 5 teams spending twice as much as a result
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+x+x+x+x+xAdelaide against Mariners would be an interesting fixture this season. It would have been if there was promotion/relegation. It's now a dead rubber! YAWN! If we are going to have 10 years of talking about promotion and relegation on every thread we may as well shut this site down now. This should be a serious consideration. Because I for one want relegation and promotion, but not to the point that I won't accept any football without it. Everyone who keeps handing over cash to the HAL is supporting it in it's current model. If you think things are ever going to change whilst doing that, good luck to you The only time the FFA have actually taken notice of anyone is when they were hit in their backpocket. Boycotts just as the TV deal was about to be negotiated. P.S Not accepting the HAL =/= not accepting any football So how specifically can I support Australian football without supporting the HAL in some way (watch a few games and go to a few games etc.) And at what point is supporting the HAL mean accepting the current status? And I watch 1 game a week or is that too many, or not enough? Do I have to skip the A-league and go straight to the NPL teams (who's comps are still in some way managed by the FFA)? Please give me specifics, not just hurl abuse or call me too dumb to figure it out.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAdelaide against Mariners would be an interesting fixture this season. It would have been if there was promotion/relegation. It's now a dead rubber! YAWN! If we are going to have 10 years of talking about promotion and relegation on every thread we may as well shut this site down now. This should be a serious consideration. Because I for one want relegation and promotion, but not to the point that I won't accept any football without it. Everyone who keeps handing over cash to the HAL is supporting it in it's current model. If you think things are ever going to change whilst doing that, good luck to you The only time the FFA have actually taken notice of anyone is when they were hit in their backpocket. Boycotts just as the TV deal was about to be negotiated. P.S Not accepting the HAL =/= not accepting any football So how specifically can I support Australian football without supporting the HAL in some way (watch a few games and go to a few games etc.) And at what point is supporting the HAL mean accepting the current status? And I watch 1 game a week or is that too many, or not enough? Do I have to skip the A-league and go straight to the NPL teams (who's comps are still in some way managed by the FFA)? Please give me specifics, not just hurl abuse or call me too dumb to figure it out. 1. as above, Do not spend money on the HAL 2. Yes, skip the A-League
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