I assume you or you are aware of people who could have done better...

SIX LONG YEARS.

And after announcing the deal with no FTA partner, Gallop admits that its too little to fund any expansion.

Yeah.  I could have done better.

I think they did as well as they could with the cards they were dealt.  The silly thing they did was talk up what the value was before it was all sorted, when clearly the ratings were never going to support the sort of figures they were throwing around early days (like $100 mill per annum).

Also, the much vaunted Optus revolution never materialised in support of the A-League, meaning there weren't really any bidders in the game apart from Foxtel.

Well now we have the next CEO on our forum... BTW FFA used a number of consultants including at the advise of M City the same firm that put together the last EPL deal... Also out of interest Super Rugby when the negotiation were being done rated higher than the A-League and had a 20% reduction on the SR part of the ARU deal with Fox...

You must I guess be the head of a major agency, the marketing director of a major blue chip, CEO of a blue chip... you owe it to football to offer your services on the FTA negotiations...

We are so lucky to have someone of your talent on the forum... 

You total plonker.

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The consultants for the TV deal — brought in at the 11th hour to “maximise competitive tension” according to a memo seen by the Herald Sun — were Adara Partners, which have close ties with FFA chairman Steven Lowy.

David Gonski, a panel member of Adara Partners, is a Westfield director and board director of the Lowy Institute for internation

i'm assuming you're referring to yourself considering you're defending the current regime and their shithouse TV rights deal.

A-League STV average audience.  From Patrick Delaney's chart at Victory business lunch address.  (Average attendance and percentage changes added by me)


2005-6              42k                                       10,956
2006-7              56            +33%                    12,911                        +18%
2007-8              70            +25%                     14,610                        +13%
2008-9              64            -8%                        12,180                        -17%
2009-10             54            -16%                     9,791                        -20%
2010-11             45            -16%                     8,428                        -14%
2011-12             66            +47%                    10,497                        +24%
2012-13             81            +23%                    12,347                        +18%
2013-14             72            -11%                      13,025                        +6%
2014-15             62            -14%                      12,511                        -4%
2015-16             62              0                          12,309                        -2%
2016-17             68             +9%                      12,707                        +2%  after 112 games.

With a seemingly largest ever deluge of unrelenting gripe this season, its interesting to see that 16/17 is heading back towards 13/14 numbers...

Sydney and Victory on top swinging it? ...Cahill? ....Fox losing the EPL/picking up the individual club channels??

I thought we've all (not excluding myself) become tired of this 'same every year after year, nothing changes' product.

@absent

I think you'll find that the reason the averages are higher than last year are due to a early season Cahill-Yoshi bounce....but crowds and ratings are pretty much back to last years levels

Thanks for the chart ... interesting to pose a question on what key people are worth..

Gorman was pinched from  the Mariners and taken to the A-League ... he made some big calls to turn things around the best known is starting after the NRL & AFL grand finals ... his years were the 20011/12 and two thirds of 2012/13 ... he left ... this year is climbing again and we changed the A-League head ... 

Wonders aloud if FFA should get Gorman back in some role ...  

Gorman was appointed as Executive Chairman at Wanderers in May 2012 so he wasn't in he A-League role in 2012-13.  Gorman was paid a percentage of the sale price for Wanderers so he has got enough out of football as far as I am concerned.

City v Newcastle 45k rating.

11

LIVE: FOOTBALL: A-LEAGUE MELB V V PERTH

FOX SPORTS 505

75,000

17

LIVE: A-LEAGUE ADELAIDE V BRISBANE

FOX SPORTS 505

54,000

I think the numbers aren't to bad, particularly when you consider that Fox lost the EPL rights and presumably more than a few football viewers.

Does that show a spike during the ADP/Ono/Heskey season? (Sorry Mid, I think Gorman had fuck all to do with it). Clearly shows how ratings can rise.

This is of interest given TEN is looking like the likely FTA broadcaster for the A-League:

https://mumbrella.com.au/just-much-trouble-ten-433484

Just how much trouble is Ten in?  (Answer:  A lot more than you probably realise).

Ten is facing a financial crunch within weeks - and even without board representation, shareholder Lachlan Murdoch will be the key player in the future of the network, reports Mumbrella's Tim Burrowes

Or of course, they could find a buyer for the network. Which didn’t go terribly well last time they tried that.Which isn’t to say that the company has zero value. Whoever ends up as the next owner, there is still a route for Ten to be profitable as a super low cost offering – even more low cost than it is at the moment. A company that brings in advertising revenues of $676m a year has to be capable of being profitable somehow.But if the next owners were to be Australian-based media companies, the law would need to change first.Media ownership laws aside, News Corp feels like the future owner:

• Foxtel (which is of course 50% owned by News Corp) now owns 15% of Ten.
• News Corp boss Lachlan Murdoch owns 9%;
• The ad sales are already done by MCN (which is mainly owned by the News Corp-aligned Foxtel).
• Most of Ten’s biggest reality shows are already produced by the News Corp-aligned Endemol Shine.
• One of Ten’s key US supply deals is with the News Corp-aligned Fox (via sister company 21st Century Fox)

But of course, the media ownership laws would have to change first. And by a funny coincidence, Australia’s sleepiest minister Mitch Fifield is bringing them back to Parliament this week, for what’ll be the last chance to get change through this side of Easter.As Crikey’s Glenn Dyer argued on Friday:

“The winner from such a deal would be News Corp, which, if the “two out of three” rule were removed as proposed, would be able to buy Ten (and add it to its Foxtel and Sky News broadcasting assets). And the case for the ACCC approving such a transaction would be strengthened if the participants could plausibly argue that Ten was in danger of going insolvent due to its inability to source new cash or meet its debt obligations.”

Wookie

Looked at your table on your weekly release of crowds and ratings... You show in your second table the Ratings last round as 121 K, they were 272 K... 

ah yeah good catch, cheers. I didnt change it for the second week of the split round. Its been corrected, will show up in this weekends release.

• Thu Soccer00s – Iraq v Australia –  3,270 at PAS Stadium (Tehran)
• Thu TV #Socceroos #IRQvAUS 9GO! 130k (Syd 40k Syd 29k Bri 30k Ade 14k Per 18k)
• Thu WCQ STV: SOCCEROOS V IRAQ FOX SPORTS 50 84,000

Now my maths aren't the best but if you tally up the numbers in each city it works out to be 131k .. that is without Melbourne. How are these numbers calculated? 

One of the 2 Syd's is probably Melb at a rough guess :)!

An interesting article about sports broadcast deals and possible future directions.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/media-and-marketing/pay-to-play-how-sports-bodies-keeping-winning-the-tv-great-rights-battles-20170323-gv58z9.html

Interesting stuff. Another article in the Sydney Morning Herald about how streaming devices are killing TV. 

A-League games didn't make the Sunday Foxtel top 20 ratings, cut-off at 51k:

Rank	Description	Channel\Market	(r) National STV
1	LIVE: F1: AUSTRALIAN RACE	FOX SPORTS 506	207,000
2	LIVE: NRL DRAGONS V WARRIORS	FOX LEAGUE	206,000
3	LIVE: AFL FREMANTLE V GEELONG	FOX FOOTY	191,000
4	LIVE: NRL WESTS TIGERS V STORM	FOX LEAGUE	191,000
5	LIVE: AFL ADELAIDE V GWS	FOX FOOTY	154,000
6	LIVE: CRICKET: IND V AUS 4TH TEST DAY 2	FOX SPORTS 501	151,000
7	LIVE: AFL NTH MELB V WEST COAST	FOX SPORTS 503	144,000
8	LIVE: NRL SUNDAY TICKET	FOX LEAGUE	136,000
9	LIVE: CRICKET: IND V AUS 4TH TEST DAY 2	FOX SPORTS 501	120,000
10	LIVE: CRICKET: IND V AUS 4TH TEST DAY 2	FOX SPORTS 501	117,000
11	LIVE: AFL: BOUNCE	FOX FOOTY	104,000
12	LIVE: AFL: BEFORE THE BOUNCE	FOX FOOTY	97,000
13	LIVE: F1: AUSTRALIA PIT LANE RACE DAY	FOX SPORTS 506	93,000
14	SYDNEY: REAL HOUSEWIVES OF…	ARENA	87,000
15	LIVE: CRICKET: IND V AUS 4TH TEST DAY 2	FOX SPORTS 501	81,000
16	LIVE: NRL SUNDAY TICKET	FOX LEAGUE	78,000
17	LIVE: NRL SUNDAY TICKET	FOX LEAGUE	70,000
18	LIVE: SUPERCARS MELBOURNE RACE 4	FOX SPORTS 506	67,000
19	LIVE: F1: AUSTRALIA PADDOCK	FOX SPORTS 506	65,000
20	LIVE: CRICKET: IND V AUS PRE MATCH	FOX SPORTS 501	51,000

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ridiculous amount of live sport on Foxtel yesterday.

Even though Pippinu (aka Mr Afl ) is trying to troll, it's really average ratings for AFL who foxtel paid 10 x as much for as they did football.  
There only getting 191k, 154 & 144k , we all would die for those ratings;  but for the money foxtel has spent on AFL,  they should be getting 300k + for that kind $$.

Umm, no.  Its actually much better than it looks.  The AFL broadcast deal has different games on FTA in different cities, and game times can be the same or significantly overlap.  So both Perth games are on FTA in Perth, and the Eagles game is also on at the same time as the Crows game, and the Crows game is also on FTA in Adelaide and Melbourne.

So, in basically the same timeslot, they got about 300k watching 2 AFL games on Fox, despite both games being on FTA in their biggest markets.  As people keep saying, its not ratings driving Fox, its subscriptions, and for that, its the COMBINED ratings thats the indicator, not the individual ratings.  
So 191k watched the Dockers Geelong game
154k + 144K watched the Eagles game and the Crows game, despite the FTA in Perth, Adelaide and Melbourne.

That is excellent.

the ratings are fixed by afl propaganda machine

Nope there rubbish for the money spent,  in fact even 300k is poor for the money, you're talking well over 1 billion  dollars spent by foxtel alone for 200k viewers.
Foxtel is a dying product, within 10 years it will be all over for pay tv, that's why they have paid so much for little return on all their sports, especially AFL & NRL.

I love how Mr Footballs multis go into bat for each other

Tues WCQ FTA - Aus v UAE - 256,000 (Syd 80,000 melb 95,000 Bris 43,000 Adel 23,000 Per 15,000) - on 9Go!
Tues WCQ STV - Aus v AUE 178,000 FS50