ErogenousZone
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+xProtest for BLM in Sydney at Town Hall on Saturday 3pm for anyone interested. Aboriginal deaths in custody is probably one of Australia's most shameful & unresolved episodes.
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Muz
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Of course it's the 'radical left's that's the problem. 2nd only to Sunni extremists. Congratulations Rusty for hitching your wagon these bunch of clusterfucks. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-12/asio-briefing-warns-far-right-is-exploiting-coronavirus/12344472
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Both are bad. Unlike you I wont try to downplay their actions, or contrast them with the radical right, so they dont look as bad, and a little halo forms around them.
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+xBoth are bad. Unlike you I wont try to downplay their actions, or contrast them with the radical right, so they dont look as bad, and a little halo forms around them. I'm not sticking up for left wing radicals. Looters are scum and I've said it more than once.
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+x+xBoth are bad. Unlike you I wont try to downplay their actions, or contrast them with the radical right, so they dont look as bad, and a little halo forms around them. I'm not sticking up for left wing radicals. Looters are scum and I've said it more than once. It’s not just looters, do you denounce Antifa and their violent tactics? Do you denounce CNN and other left wing media for encouraging the riots and rationalising their actions? Do you denounce BLM for wanting to defund police, who save millions of more lives than they take but get no credit? Do you denounce Democrats who also want to defund police and who are deliberately stoking racial divisions? The radical left not being held to account, unlike the radical right, so its up to right wing media like Fox to take up the fight and try to restore some balance and sanity into the conversation. Calling out the left for their violence, hypocrisy and fake news is not tantamount to “hitching the bandwagon” of the radical right.
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Ahh, Fox News, the saviors of us all. -PB
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Right, so we need to denounce CNN for being left wing but it’s ok for Fox News to be right wing to bring in balance?
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+xRight, so we need to denounce CNN for being left wing but it’s ok for Fox News to be right wing to bring in balance? My point is its not wrong to hold other media outlets to account when they publish fake news. This notion that CNN and other news outlets are somehow beyond criticism, or that you’re not allowed to criticise them because they are just vulnerable innocent journalistic professionals who only tell the truth, is oppressive and undemocratic. It’s not like the left have resisted blaming entire election losses across multiple geographies on Rupert Murdoch.
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+xRight, so we need to denounce CNN for being left wing but it’s ok for Fox News to be right wing to bring in balance? Got him!! Rusty in a nutshell. Expects other posters to constantly denounce things like looting, etc (many of us have but he ignores that), but NEVER criticises conservative media for their bullshit, instead deflecting with a "what about the time this left wing journalist said... etc".
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Says everything you need to know about anyone involved with Qanaon or anything similar. They couldn't give a flying fuck about child sex trafficking unless they could tie it into a "elite cabal" conspiracy narrative.
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Muz
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Well that was a flashy video not addressing why the government is trying to stop YouTube, Facebook and Google pinching content without payment. Is this what we really want?
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+xWell that was a flashy video not addressing why the government is trying to stop YouTube, Facebook and Google pinching content without payment. Is this what we really want? What do you mean by "pinching content"? Surely the already existing copyright laws would stop that? How do you feel about Murdoch et al. being allowed to rig the algorithms to appear before independent sources, or the handing over of user data?
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+x+xWell that was a flashy video not addressing why the government is trying to stop YouTube, Facebook and Google pinching content without payment. Is this what we really want? What do you mean by "pinching content"? Surely the already existing copyright laws would stop that? How do you feel about Murdoch et al. being allowed to rig the algorithms to appear before independent sources, or the handing over of user data? That's wrong too but google Facebook and YouTube take articles from newspapers and tv shows and republishes those without payment. You know, content theft. Funny how no sooner the government proposes this legislation and YouTube and Google start running 'we're under threat' garbage then this video pops up. I'm no fan of Murdoch but nor do I want to live in a world where Google and Facebook are the primary news sources. Oddly I'm sitting at lunch perusing The Australian at this very moment that someone left behind. I used to be an avid reader of the weekend papers (the SMH and the Oz). Didn't realise how much I missed proper journalism in the printed form.
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Listen to this 7 minute clip Pala. https://www.abc.net.au/radio/newcastle/programs/mornings/google-fights-the-accc/12573518Google etc are going hard here not because Australia is a massive market for them but because other countries are watching with interest and there could be huge knock on effects. Just like plain packaging on cigarettes and how big tobacco tied Australia up in Hong Kong courts for $300 million for years google will be willing to spend plenty to see this doesn't happen. As the pod says market capitalisation of Australian media is 1% of Google's overall worth. Their handwringing over this is disengenuous to say the least.
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+x+x+xWell that was a flashy video not addressing why the government is trying to stop YouTube, Facebook and Google pinching content without payment. Is this what we really want? What do you mean by "pinching content"? Surely the already existing copyright laws would stop that? How do you feel about Murdoch et al. being allowed to rig the algorithms to appear before independent sources, or the handing over of user data? That's wrong too but google Facebook and YouTube take articles from newspapers and tv shows and republishes those without payment. You know, content theft. Funny how no sooner the government proposes this legislation and YouTube and Google start running 'we're under threat' garbage then this video pops up. I'm no fan of Murdoch but nor do I want to live in a world where Google and Facebook are the primary news sources. Oddly I'm sitting at lunch perusing The Australian at this very moment that someone left behind. I used to be an avid reader of the weekend papers (the SMH and the Oz). Didn't realise how much I missed proper journalism in the printed form. The Oz used to be one of the best papers going around. Then they went full right . And its just a cheerleading paper for the lnp and the far right . Hell even the age has veered. Say what you want about the left but we need both sides
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paulbagzFC
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+x+x+xWell that was a flashy video not addressing why the government is trying to stop YouTube, Facebook and Google pinching content without payment. Is this what we really want? What do you mean by "pinching content"? Surely the already existing copyright laws would stop that? How do you feel about Murdoch et al. being allowed to rig the algorithms to appear before independent sources, or the handing over of user data? That's wrong too but google Facebook and YouTube take articles from newspapers and tv shows and republishes those without payment. You know, content theft. Funny how no sooner the government proposes this legislation and YouTube and Google start running 'we're under threat' garbage then this video pops up. I'm no fan of Murdoch but nor do I want to live in a world where Google and Facebook are the primary news sources. Oddly I'm sitting at lunch perusing The Australian at this very moment that someone left behind. I used to be an avid reader of the weekend papers (the SMH and the Oz). Didn't realise how much I missed proper journalism in the printed form. They'll just stop linking to those media outlets and will nuke them in search results. Aus media will end up floundering more than they are now. -PB
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Muz
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+x+x+x+xWell that was a flashy video not addressing why the government is trying to stop YouTube, Facebook and Google pinching content without payment. Is this what we really want? What do you mean by "pinching content"? Surely the already existing copyright laws would stop that? How do you feel about Murdoch et al. being allowed to rig the algorithms to appear before independent sources, or the handing over of user data? That's wrong too but google Facebook and YouTube take articles from newspapers and tv shows and republishes those without payment. You know, content theft. Funny how no sooner the government proposes this legislation and YouTube and Google start running 'we're under threat' garbage then this video pops up. I'm no fan of Murdoch but nor do I want to live in a world where Google and Facebook are the primary news sources. Oddly I'm sitting at lunch perusing The Australian at this very moment that someone left behind. I used to be an avid reader of the weekend papers (the SMH and the Oz). Didn't realise how much I missed proper journalism in the printed form. They'll just stop linking to those media outlets and will nuke them in search results. Aus media will end up floundering more than they are now. -PB Probably but that's not the point. It's weird how people rage against Murdoch et al and yet monoliths like facebook and Google get a free pass. They know far more abut you, your movements and your life than any newspaper or TV station. Multiple and diverse media is what a vibrant democracy needs. This concentration, traditional and new, of the media is not ideal.
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This is an interesting one because it’s an unholy battle between two groups of companies and none of them are as pure as they make out to be.
It feels like traditional media are using this as an opportunity to get more control again but at the same time Google/Facebook etc should be paying more for Australian content.
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+x+x+xWell that was a flashy video not addressing why the government is trying to stop YouTube, Facebook and Google pinching content without payment. Is this what we really want? What do you mean by "pinching content"? Surely the already existing copyright laws would stop that? How do you feel about Murdoch et al. being allowed to rig the algorithms to appear before independent sources, or the handing over of user data? That's wrong too but google Facebook and YouTube take articles from newspapers and tv shows and republishes those without payment. You know, content theft. So if they're stealing content then copyright law should be more than sufficient to protect Murdoch's rights, yeah?
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Muz
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+x+x+x+xWell that was a flashy video not addressing why the government is trying to stop YouTube, Facebook and Google pinching content without payment. Is this what we really want? What do you mean by "pinching content"? Surely the already existing copyright laws would stop that? How do you feel about Murdoch et al. being allowed to rig the algorithms to appear before independent sources, or the handing over of user data? That's wrong too but google Facebook and YouTube take articles from newspapers and tv shows and republishes those without payment. You know, content theft. So if they're stealing content then copyright law should be more than sufficient to protect Murdoch's rights, yeah? Well by the sounds of it no. Hence the proposed legislation. (Not that I'm an expert so I don't know why copyright does/doesn't apply.)
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Google are the biggest copyright thieves on the planet. The problem is that people don't want to pay for content hence the decline in actual journalism.
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+xAhh, Fox News, the saviors of us all. -PB Being biased like certain media outlets such as FOX News and Sky News Australia after dark is, isn’t an issue. We all know these outlets are biased and these outlets don’t hide the fact they are therefore not underhanded.
Other media outlets such as CNN and some others that are funded by the tax payer and which pretend to be independent sources when they are not, are quite deceitful and therefore are trying to disguise propaganda as real news.
There is a big difference!
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+x+x+x+xWell that was a flashy video not addressing why the government is trying to stop YouTube, Facebook and Google pinching content without payment. Is this what we really want? What do you mean by "pinching content"? Surely the already existing copyright laws would stop that? How do you feel about Murdoch et al. being allowed to rig the algorithms to appear before independent sources, or the handing over of user data? That's wrong too but google Facebook and YouTube take articles from newspapers and tv shows and republishes those without payment. You know, content theft. Funny how no sooner the government proposes this legislation and YouTube and Google start running 'we're under threat' garbage then this video pops up. I'm no fan of Murdoch but nor do I want to live in a world where Google and Facebook are the primary news sources. Oddly I'm sitting at lunch perusing The Australian at this very moment that someone left behind. I used to be an avid reader of the weekend papers (the SMH and the Oz). Didn't realise how much I missed proper journalism in the printed form. The Oz used to be one of the best papers going around. Then they went full right . And its just a cheerleading paper for the lnp and the far right . Hell even the age has veered. Say what you want about the left but we need both sides Any source that is actually centrist is far Right these days according to the left which have shifted more to the left.
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News Corp was basically started by Collins House (the name behind the Herald and Weekly Times (HWT), Rio Tinto, Carlton and United Breweries, Dunlop Rubber and Dulux).and was owned by the most powerful industrialists of the day. It was created for the express purpose of disseminating “propaganda”.
"I am glad to note that you are going to shake the Port Pirie Recorder up. There is great room for propaganda in Broken Hill and Port Pirie … Let us try and educate our men, and the public too." W.S Robinson
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