Who cares if he was on ice. The death penalty need not be a deterrent. It is a just response for taking a life of innocent people.

TWO sentences! You're mother must be so proud!
(Actually she told me so last night after I tossed her a dollar for her efforts. derp, derp, derp.....)

Yup, the lack of decent self defense laws/interpretations is pretty terrible at the moment.

Women can't have mace/pepper spray in their handbag is completely shit.

-PB

Its insane thinking about what could have been with those two lads. They could have been up for reckless endangering his life. Or some shit. It was a crazy day for so many what ifs. 

Exactly, can't judge one person for the acts of another.

And how are we meant to judge or scale the likelihood of someone going out and doing a Bourke St or a Lindt Cafe?

-PB 

Yes they should. Shit out of touch article from a shit out of touch poster. 

After Bourke St, Victoria should not rush in on bail reform


The horrifying event of last Friday in Melbourne’s CBD was yet another episode where a person used a vehicle as a weapon of destruction. It left five people, including a baby boy, dead. Another 30 people were injured, many seriously.

The alleged perpetrator, Dimitrious Gargasoulas, was revealed to be on bail in relation to another alleged offence six days before the attack, despite opposition from Victoria Police prosecutors. A bail justice (an out-of-hours volunteer honorary justice, like a justice of the peace) had granted Gargasoulas bail on January 14.

In response, Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has announced that magistrates, rather than bail justices, will be exclusively deployed to hear bail applications in serious matters. Andrews has also directed the former director of public prosecutions, Paul Coghlan, to review Victoria’s bail system.

Does the bail justice system work?

Faced with cries to “do something” when a crisis erupts, governments, understandably, become risk-averse. So, it was quite predictable that the Andrews government’s first target in this case was the bail justice system. This uniquely Victorian initiative has drawn praise for more than two decades.

While one can sympathise with those who are calling for review and change, we need to exercise caution before overhauling the operation of bail laws on the basis of one, albeit horrendous and tragic, case.

The bail justice system is one of the reasons usually given to explain why Victorians continue to enjoy the lowest remand-in-custody rates in Australia.

There is no evidence that that achievement has compromised safety for Victorians generally. Moreover, police officers actually make 90% of bail decisions; magistrates or bail justices are only called in to adjudicate in the event of police denying bail.

There is also no reason to suspect that a magistrate would not have reached the same bail conclusion as the bail justice did in relation to Gargasoulas on January 14.

Denying bail fills our prisons

The denial of bail is also a significant factor in the seemingly unstoppable rise in Australia’s prisoner numbers.

There was yet another significant rise in numbers last year. In the September quarter of 2016, the average number of full-time prisoners was 38,998. Of these, 32% (12,332) were unsentenced – that is, denied bail.

This takes Australia, for the first time in its modern history, out of the 15-30% range – which includes, for example, the UK, the US, Canada, Russia, Israel, Poland, New Zealand and Germany – and puts it into the 30-50% range found in Brazil, Thailand, Papua New Guinea, France, Kenya and Mexico.

The number of unsentenced prisoners in Australia increased by 22% from 2015 to 2016. This followed a 21% increase from 2014 to 2015. Over the last five years, unsentenced prisoner numbers in Australia have increased 81%. The trend is financially and socially irresponsible and unsustainable.

Australians need to be a little more forgiving regarding the decisions of bail authorities when their decisions turn out to be ill-fated. Thousands of accused persons are granted bail each year over police objections with few adverse consequences.

Australia needs to be very careful not to allow the bail system – whether it is overseen by magistrates or lay justices – to become a political scapegoat at the hands of commentators exercising 20/20 hindsight.

Finally, we must be very careful not to rush to judgement and pretend that by tightening certain justice processes the problem will go away. Simply putting (and keeping) behind bars for months at a time everyone whom someone has deemed to be a risk to their family’s safety, their own safety or public safety is not the answer.

https://theconversation.com/after-bourke-st-victoria-should-not-rush-in-on-bail-reform-71697

But shouldn't people have a choice to use ice?
Doesn't the manufacture & sale of ice create jobs & build the economy?

The anger in this case should be directed at ice manufacturers and dealers.

While there should probably be some changes to bail laws (I believe the bikie who shot the European tourist 5-6 years ago outside the courthouse might similarly have been on bail), it is the proliferation of methamphetamine that is behind this and many other instances of rampage.

Mandatory 15 year sentences for dealing, 25 years for manufacture or importation.

That's a heap of shit. No one knows someone is going to do something like that. 

Imagine if the two guys had hit him with thew baseball bat at flinders st. Bourke st would never have happened and those two guys would probably have been up for assault etc etc cause no one would know what they actually prevented.  Its pretty crazy. 

Haha the good one doing the rounds on SM atm is people wanting judges to be done for "judicial manslaughter" if a violent offender goes out on bail and then proceeds to do shit like Bourke St.

-PB

And that poor lad that died in Brisbane while filming a music video.

How does that shit happen?

-PB

So no lockout laws in Queensland with ID scanners instead to be brought in and the number of one off permits for post 3am trading reduced from 12 to 6.

I don't won't to get into a death penalty debate as it's been done so many times on this forum, but in this instance I would be very surprised if he wasn't fucked up on ice at the time, so I struggle to see how the death penalty could be used as a deterrence in these instances.  

Turns out the melbourne rampage guy is of greek origins

Lord knows what provoked him to do something so inconsiderate

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mother-of-accused-cbd-rampage-driver-says-shes-ashamed-of-him/news-story/6913adb7ab2fbb6f135d404afc54e1a3

Most Australians are stupid.
Not really news, though.

odd that nobody really knows what constitutes to be centrist

One way to be more central is to bring a counterpoint to the leftists

ie gay marriage

if we made an island and had all the gay people move there, and give them all the laws that they want, in one generation they would all be extinct :laugh:

Soooo back to Australian news and events.

-PB

Not for those happy with people dying & being injured by other humans

So it's not viable yet

Roughly the emergency service, healthcare & insurances costs from all the deaths & injuries prior.

A rightie who struggles to read properly. No surprises there.

And what is the price entry point for these cars if we go fully autonomous?

A tiny scale of trials is no way to assess the suitability of a transport mode.

A left winger with a scientific background should know this......

*zzzzzzzzzzzzz*

Broken records sure do skip a lot.

-PB

Tesla's autopilot has a far lower death rate than both the American average & worldwide average
And that's not even close to fully autonomous yet.
Then there's Google autonomous test cars, which have had one solitary panel dinting incident 'caused' while in machine operation (which was arguably the other driver's fault), yet having driven well over a million miles and hence a safer record than humans.
Evidence based thinking - the antithesis of right wing mentality.

Lefties will always blame righties for bringing up valid concerns with technology rather than blindly following concepts that aree unproven.

See, didn't take long. Righties will try to use edge cases like this to delay its introduction.
And all the while humans will be needlessly killing, paralysing & maiming other humans.