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+x+x+x@pippinu Just to clarify your point from before - I wasn't trying to deny that the Swans have a strong fan base now who go to games and watch on TV. They do, of course. I even go to a few games myself. My argument was that they only got as big as they are now due to a huge assist by some one-off extraordinary factors that won't be repeated again. It took 15 years, a grand finals appearance AND the complete fracturing of Rugby League before people jumped on The Swans in big numbers. If I look at GWS, they have an even harder job. Not only will thise one-off factors not repeat themselves, the demographics of Western Sydney are tougher. Anyone in Western Sydney who loves AFL wasn't sitting around waiting for a team - they are already on the Swans. The only way it will grow is to convert people who follow other sports. That is not going well. You only need to visit any school. I'm a teacher and I'll tell you this - whenever the Auskick guys come out to schools, the kids do participate and have fun. But literally the moment those guys leave, the kids go straight back to the PE staff room and grab the round balls and rugby league balls. They are simply not interested at all. If there was another big crack up in league, the major beneficiary would not be AFL. It would be either Football or (for those who still want contact sport) Rugby Union. I suspect that the AFL could keep doing this for the next 20 years and nothing would change. Oh well they can keep sinking their dough in the big black hole. What was it, $16m or so mill that the AFL poured in the Giants last year? Might even have been $17m, but the standard annual dividend is around the $11m mark, so the additional financial assistance is only $6 mill per annum. What's that come to? 0.0002% of the $2.5 billion TV deal. I mean seriously, it such a tiny drop of money, I was having trouble counting the number of zeroes to work out the percentage. I know he's gone but I'll post this here as a point of reference as too how much extra money the AFL is tipping into the Giants compared to the other clubs. 2016 PAYMENTS TO CLUBS 1. GWS Giants $21,548,374 2. St Kilda $18,566,589 3. Western Bulldogs $17,610,181 4. Brisbane Lions $17,532,922 5. Gold Coast Suns $17,194,594 6. North Melbourne $15,022,303 7. Melbourne $14,799,452 8. Port Adelaide $13,206,665 9. Sydney Swans $12,488,957 10. Richmond $12,358,925 11. Essendon $11,914,715 12. West Coast Eagles $11,703,240 13. Hawthorn $11,614,683 14. Carlton $11,607,942 15. Collingwood $11,304,689 16. Geelong Cats $10,787,483 17. Fremantle Dockers $10,563,307 18. Adelaide Crows $10,553,565 *All clubs received an $8.188 million base payment and a $1.2 million bonus payment. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-payments-to-clubs-revealed-giants-handed-21-million/news-story/c450f059c9436a8343b81636d0273c52
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: ![[IMG]](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170529/a371dbe7cc11efaf03b4606929af03c4.jpg) How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point? Quite simply, how can one not be impressed by the attendances the NRL Sydney clubs are getting. I'm happy that the blokes that play AFL either punch someone or get king hit by another bloke "playing" the game who wants to prove that he's macho How dare you bring the AFL's senior ranking cultural diversity officer in to this
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point? Quite simply, how can one not be impressed by the attendances the NRL Sydney clubs are getting. Easy! I couldn't give any positive emotional response to any of those "ball" games. NRL blokes probably prefer to watch it on the Teev so they don't have to try to drive home pissed as. I'm happy that the blokes that play AFL either punch someone or get king hit by another bloke "playing" the game who wants to prove that he's macho I'm also happy it remains a parochial little game without any national team as it just shoots itself in the foot, on both counts, as far as a child's parents are concerned.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say It's bugging me that the Age breakdown section shows "40-60+" instead of just "40+".
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+x+x+x@pippinu Just to clarify your point from before - I wasn't trying to deny that the Swans have a strong fan base now who go to games and watch on TV. They do, of course. I even go to a few games myself. My argument was that they only got as big as they are now due to a huge assist by some one-off extraordinary factors that won't be repeated again. It took 15 years, a grand finals appearance AND the complete fracturing of Rugby League before people jumped on The Swans in big numbers. If I look at GWS, they have an even harder job. Not only will thise one-off factors not repeat themselves, the demographics of Western Sydney are tougher. Anyone in Western Sydney who loves AFL wasn't sitting around waiting for a team - they are already on the Swans. The only way it will grow is to convert people who follow other sports. That is not going well. You only need to visit any school. I'm a teacher and I'll tell you this - whenever the Auskick guys come out to schools, the kids do participate and have fun. But literally the moment those guys leave, the kids go straight back to the PE staff room and grab the round balls and rugby league balls. They are simply not interested at all. If there was another big crack up in league, the major beneficiary would not be AFL. It would be either Football or (for those who still want contact sport) Rugby Union. I suspect that the AFL could keep doing this for the next 20 years and nothing would change. Oh well they can keep sinking their dough in the big black hole. What was it, $16m or so mill that the AFL poured in the Giants last year? Might even have been $17m, but the standard annual dividend is around the $11m mark, so the additional financial assistance is only $6 mill per annum.What's that come to? 0.0002% of the $2.5 billion TV deal. I mean seriously, it such a tiny drop of money, I was having trouble counting the number of zeroes to work out the percentage. Wow and we compare that the Wanderers got $0 of additional assistance following it's standard dividend. Seems pretty self sufficient for a franchise only 5 years old.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point? Not his best work.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point? Quite simply, how can one not be impressed by the attendances the NRL Sydney clubs are getting. You asked for Sydney NRL teams attendance figures, you got them, either you wanted them for a reason or you've lost the argument He was hoping GWS would have attendances above at least one NRL team, but when his ass was handed to him he changed tack to something more along the lines of "I'm an attention seeker and am interested in everything for several seconds"
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point? Quite simply, how can one not be impressed by the attendances the NRL Sydney clubs are getting. You asked for Sydney NRL teams attendance figures, you got them, either you wanted them for a reason or you've lost the argument
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point? Quite simply, how can one not be impressed by the attendances the NRL Sydney clubs are getting.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Apart from trolling what is your point?
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There is no Giant (actually midget) in me.
AFL can f.. off and those of us true supporters of the football (round ball) will monster the miniature Sydney Derby.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive. Don't deflect.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Murdoch is Giants new media sugar daddy when he announced 'afl my favourite game' (vomit) ..and the Tele will do what the Tele gotta do....spin, half-truths, pr , shameless propoganda , ..we know the spill/\. Few months ago... .big 2 page spread on the 'Battle of the West' Spiel on the battle for juniors in ..ahem 'league heartland' was just hype and all about the "big" afl's v league narrative. Sockah only got a cursory mention: " ..though as a recent survey showed soccer was still ahead as leading participaton sport BUT the Giants have made huge strides in a league area ..blah bla " Both photos were of kiddies in giants jersey kicking sherrins ofcourse.... interesting about Murdoch .... Owns 50% of Foxtel and loves the pay TV service ,
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 Impressive.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year? Whats your point? Canterbury 14,924 Cronulla 12,711 Manly 13,200 Parramatta 14,809 Penrith 12,207 Souths 12,005 St.George 12,533 Roosters 18,714 Wests 12,491 http://afltables.com/rl/crowds/2017.htmlGWS 11,710 http://afltables.com/afl/crowds/2017.html
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Have you seen the crowds of the Sydney NRL teams this year?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Don't get me wrong. GWS is not popular. I simply state that the size and status of the club does matter but of course is not the only consideration. As for whether the Giants can carve out a niche in Sydney like the Swans did, I guess time will tell. They will never be the biggest but they may be able to exist. But they have a long long long way to go.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds. Murdoch is Giants new media sugar daddy when he announced 'afl my favourite game' (vomit) ..and the Tele will do what the Tele gotta do....spin, half-truths, pr , shameless propoganda , ..we know the spill/\. Few months ago... .big 2 page spread on the 'Battle of the West' Spiel on the battle for juniors in ..ahem 'league heartland' was just hype and all about the "big" afl's v league narrative. Sockah only got a cursory mention: " ..though as a recent survey showed soccer was still ahead as leading participaton sport BUT the Giants have made huge strides in a league area ..blah bla " Both photos were of kiddies in giants jersey kicking sherrins ofcourse....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included. The Tele were advertising $99 memberships will a yearly Tele subscription the other week. Credit to them for trying, but I find the numbers odd when nearly every other sports team in the city gets higher average crowds.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans. Yeah agree, throw in my assumption with the Giants doing well this year, predicted to go deep into the finals, a fair few Southern staters would purchase a membership for priority tickets to the grand final. A fair few, Vics might jump on board to spite the Swans aswell. I find the Sydney numbers hard to believe though. Apparently a fair few passes etc get handed out in the schools up the there, I don't doubt they would be included.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools? In the case of WA, SA and VIC you will find the members are well wishers who are members of existing clubs who take out an additional club membership for some philanthropic purpose. This really is a thing in AFL. Back in the day the club CEO of North Melbourne said something like 5% of its membership were traditionalists who wanted to keep the old order of Vic clubs in Melbourne and stave off the club's relocation to the Gold Coast. In the case of GWS this in no way suggests the club has actual supporters outside of Canberra, Riverina or some non descript part of Sydney. I'd bet plenty f the are also Swans supporters who doubled up. As for those Penrith members, fuck me dead. Cold call all of them and find out how many can name 3 players and know they're not the Swans.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: A frog's legs are made for jumping Although some use them for swimming as well.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: A frog's legs are made for jumping
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Ninja Warrior with 1.7million viewers, so pretty easy to see why AFL is looking to convert itself to a more viewer friendly game along the lines of Big Bash.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]@melbourne_terrace The simple reason they are moving games is that nobody in Western Sydney gives a shit about AFL, or if they did they'd already follow the swans. A lot of AFL fans in Victoria just don't get that there is zero interest in AFL in Western Sydney. Even the Swans weren't that popular for their first 15 years in Sydney, and only got really popular due to an unusual set of circumstances in Rugby League in the 90s. Super League, team mergers, scandals, moving games to bigger stadiums and the attempt to kick out Souths all caused huge disenchantment with league. My father was a rugby league fan but when his team (Wests Magpies) merged with the Balmain tigers he never went to another NRL game. At the same time this was going on, the Swans made the 1996 grand final and started getting good. Some of the disenchanted middle classes switched to AFL and never went back to league. If not for those factors I don't think the Swans would be as popular as they are today. At the end of Wanderers first season polling of the market showed that 10.2% of the 2m population in Western Sydney supported the Wanderers while for GWS despite a multi year marketing exercise and having a years start only 1.6% supported them. That's interesting, because going by attendances and TV ratings, the ratio looks closer to 1.5:1, and that is being extremely generous to the Wanderers. If we go by sponsorship revenue, the Giants would be quadruple what the Wanderers make. It's strange that their sponsorship revenue is quadruple that of the Wanderers, but according to you, the Wanderers are meant to have six times the support. Those big corporations must be stupid. Strange days indeed. You're actually more retarded than I thought. Do you honestly think corps that sponsor a team like GWS do it because they are focused upon the geographic area they represent and the 5,000 attendees at the football match? If they play an away game in Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth do you think they peel the sponsor logos off their shirts? Are you seriously that stupid? If that were the case all teams in the league would have simalar sponsorship deals. And no club would struggle to find a sponsor. (Unless there is less than 10 companies that want to sponsor the HAL) But the larger the club's fan base, the larger the sponsorship deal they can achieve. It is the same across every code and in every country. yes, sponsorship revenue is an indicator of the reach of a sports team. So you at least admit it isn't indicative of how popular GWS is in western sydney relative to other teams/codes. I have no idea who sponsors them but can we assume they are companies that want to advertise to the country as opposed to caring how popular the team itself is in west sydney? Sometimes I do worry you believe the stuff you say Well, it's no secret that about one-third of the Giants' 20,000 strong membership comes from outside of greater Western Sydney: How many of them were handed out to kids in primary schools?
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+x+x+x@pippinu Just to clarify your point from before - I wasn't trying to deny that the Swans have a strong fan base now who go to games and watch on TV. They do, of course. I even go to a few games myself. My argument was that they only got as big as they are now due to a huge assist by some one-off extraordinary factors that won't be repeated again. It took 15 years, a grand finals appearance AND the complete fracturing of Rugby League before people jumped on The Swans in big numbers. If I look at GWS, they have an even harder job. Not only will thise one-off factors not repeat themselves, the demographics of Western Sydney are tougher. Anyone in Western Sydney who loves AFL wasn't sitting around waiting for a team - they are already on the Swans. The only way it will grow is to convert people who follow other sports. That is not going well. You only need to visit any school. I'm a teacher and I'll tell you this - whenever the Auskick guys come out to schools, the kids do participate and have fun. But literally the moment those guys leave, the kids go straight back to the PE staff room and grab the round balls and rugby league balls. They are simply not interested at all. If there was another big crack up in league, the major beneficiary would not be AFL. It would be either Football or (for those who still want contact sport) Rugby Union. I suspect that the AFL could keep doing this for the next 20 years and nothing would change. Oh well they can keep sinking their dough in the big black hole. What was it, $16m or so mill that the AFL poured in the Giants last year? Might even have been $17m, but the standard annual dividend is around the $11m mark, so the additional financial assistance is only $6 mill per annum. What's that come to? 0.0002% of the $2.5 billion TV deal. I mean seriously, it such a tiny drop of money, I was having trouble counting the number of zeroes to work out the percentage. Well it is actually 4% of the annual tv deal income being given to the Giants, then if you want to include the overall amount they are sinking into that blackhole which generate no revenue outside of AFL handouts.
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+x+x@pippinu Just to clarify your point from before - I wasn't trying to deny that the Swans have a strong fan base now who go to games and watch on TV. They do, of course. I even go to a few games myself. My argument was that they only got as big as they are now due to a huge assist by some one-off extraordinary factors that won't be repeated again. It took 15 years, a grand finals appearance AND the complete fracturing of Rugby League before people jumped on The Swans in big numbers. If I look at GWS, they have an even harder job. Not only will thise one-off factors not repeat themselves, the demographics of Western Sydney are tougher. Anyone in Western Sydney who loves AFL wasn't sitting around waiting for a team - they are already on the Swans. The only way it will grow is to convert people who follow other sports. That is not going well. You only need to visit any school. I'm a teacher and I'll tell you this - whenever the Auskick guys come out to schools, the kids do participate and have fun. But literally the moment those guys leave, the kids go straight back to the PE staff room and grab the round balls and rugby league balls. They are simply not interested at all. If there was another big crack up in league, the major beneficiary would not be AFL. It would be either Football or (for those who still want contact sport) Rugby Union. I suspect that the AFL could keep doing this for the next 20 years and nothing would change. Oh well they can keep sinking their dough in the big black hole. What was it, $16m or so mill that the AFL poured in the Giants last year? Might even have been $17m, but the standard annual dividend is around the $11m mark, so the additional financial assistance is only $6 mill per annum. What's that come to? 0.0002% of the $2.5 billion TV deal. I mean seriously, it such a tiny drop of money, I was having trouble counting the number of zeroes to work out the percentage.
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+x@pippinu Just to clarify your point from before - I wasn't trying to deny that the Swans have a strong fan base now who go to games and watch on TV. They do, of course. I even go to a few games myself. My argument was that they only got as big as they are now due to a huge assist by some one-off extraordinary factors that won't be repeated again. It took 15 years, a grand finals appearance AND the complete fracturing of Rugby League before people jumped on The Swans in big numbers. If I look at GWS, they have an even harder job. Not only will thise one-off factors not repeat themselves, the demographics of Western Sydney are tougher. Anyone in Western Sydney who loves AFL wasn't sitting around waiting for a team - they are already on the Swans. The only way it will grow is to convert people who follow other sports. That is not going well. You only need to visit any school. I'm a teacher and I'll tell you this - whenever the Auskick guys come out to schools, the kids do participate and have fun. But literally the moment those guys leave, the kids go straight back to the PE staff room and grab the round balls and rugby league balls. They are simply not interested at all. If there was another big crack up in league, the major beneficiary would not be AFL. It would be either Football or (for those who still want contact sport) Rugby Union. I suspect that the AFL could keep doing this for the next 20 years and nothing would change. It's much harder than the what the Swans faced, no doubt, who struggled for a good 13 years before making a grand final appearance in 1996, which provided a lot of momentum (in fact the average attendances around 96-97 were extremely healthy), but note that they didn't make another grand final appearance for almost a decade. On the other hand, the support from Canberra and the Southern NSW is going to help, so one wonders how things will look once they have been around for 13 years. As I said in an earlier post, the Giants' sponsorship revenue is very healthy, and their ratings are good in comparison to the Wanderers, as are their membership numbers.
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