Pretty upset with the final outcome.

Can understand both ends of the spectrum but at the end of the day, the match day atmosphere will deteriorate from this.
Some of the South End who rejoice at this news will be shocked when cockheads move across in due course and light flares at their end.
It happened in season 3 and it could possibly happen again. Then the heavy restrictions will be imposed on them and the cycle repeats.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Basically it'll be launched tonight.

You can expect all the same songs etc just with a bit less coordination.

Hahahaha....ol the butthurst! lol

So, they just have a sook for a day, and come back with their tails between their legs. is that it? 

Drama queens! 

I actually agree with the NT disbanding indefinitely, FFA are part of the problem now and are imposing way too many laws on active fans. Look at the RA for example, can't remember the last time that someone from the Red Army has done anything terribly bad (not including the casual groups) yet there are heaps of new rules imposed. It turned me away from active support personally.

At the same time, can totally understand people wanting to stay and support because its still the same club. Tricky one.

Very hard and many are conflicted. I've always loved MV and this won't stop me. However, I completely understand. Thousands of dollars spent on this great club and little respect is shown.

My old mate C-Man (Cancer Man) told me once during a final series that most Victory supporters are the old NZ Knights crowd. Said they turned up in Oz pretending to be professional surfers and shearers by the shite load from NZ. Take it for what it's worth but it could be legit. Come to think of Victory crowd a lot talk NZish.

:|

-PB

This is something that every club goes through from time to time. Even big clubs in Europe.

I understand that alot comes from the ffa and excessive policing etc. But i still find it interesting that it is happening at a time when MV football seems to be struggling as well.

Things like this have happened to SFC and WSW.

IF......MV is the biggest club in the country, they, with their real football fans, will be able to rise above this and the league will not become like the AFL because of 1 club single fan group.

This is true. Happened in Paris which recently got resolved. Ajax too. The lost VK. Very true with what you say.

I hate the active support police state as much as the next guy, but the only reason it exists in very active support area in the a-league now is because some idiots can't follow an incredibly simple code of behaviour. No pyro, no punchups, no property damage - no problems! It's dead set simple. These rules do exist for a reason - even if some of them are very minor crimes, they do reputational damage to our sport in a hostile media environment. The media after the derbies proved that.  

FFA have made it clear over and over again that they're okay with chanting, singing, clapping, banging on drums, jumping up and down, marching to the stadium, doing the poznan, putting up tifos, and just about everything else. If anything, they are probably more generous with this stuff than some European leagues. I suspect if our league didn't have a Pyro problem then they wouldn't even bother creating nanny state restrictions around this stuff. 

I hope the change of leadership will allow those in the NT to decide for themselves the direction they want their group to take -whether they want to continue with the activities covertly sanctioned by their leadership group or whether they go for a change of direction.

Oh nu, the secret's out, bru!

No, that's not what I said, not at all.

I said there'd still be a terrace load of fans with the same songs, just not with the leadership of the NTC, which just dissolved.

And I was right.

From a certain perspective, I can actually understand where the NT is coming from.

I don't condone any violence or even flares under any circumstances, but the way ground security monitor and treat fans seems irritating and very frustrating to me and heavy handed. Fans generally behave themselves. We don't have bad fans generally speaking. But everyone seems to be overplaying their misbehavior. It's annoying when you see 500 police in riot gear as if they are expecting a war.

This just antagonizes the fan base and probably provokes trouble which wouldn't otherwise occur.

Just try and see it from the perspective of the NTC representatives, many now in their 30's with careers and families etc of their own giving up time unpaid to negotiate with the FFA and police, only to have tifos that take all weekend to make banned at the last minute, or new aggressive measures put in place after months of negotiations, and nobody to thank them not only from the authority's side but also from other fans.

It's amazing they didn't walk a long time ago.

Dont know about "roar", Victory sounded quieter than the mariners on a losing streak. Couldnt hear a peep all game. They have lost respect for the strong and loud supporter base they were known for. Slowly all the people that chose to.support them for the atmosphere their club created on hame.days will wither away slowly.

Meanwhile City will just get stronger and stronger on and off.the park. Wouldnt be surprised if City end up.being bigger within 5 years. 

You're actually happy this has happened, aren't you?

A group that did so much work for active support not just for their own club but for Australian football as a whole has just been driven over the edge by their detractors (FFA, police) and you are cheering it on. We're all worse off for it.

It's moments like these why Australian football never gets to where it should be.

Fuck tha tardz, but.

The straw that broke the camel's back was self policing illegal activities

Awww poor diddums, do you wan't the other supporters to give em a reach around? They got a pat on the back for dobbing in that guy for lighting the flare, when they actually do something right and not act like idiots they will get congratulated. They should be doing it for the love of the club anyway without expecting anything in return, every other fan does it on a regular basis  as it is with every club so no fan is better than another. Once again you make it sound like it's all about them, they need to be acknowledged, reassured and even praised or they will have a cry and sulk in the corner.

They have the right to choose to support their club their way as long as they behave, dob in any trouble makers and follow the rules put in place whether they like it or not. At the end of the day its all about the football on the pitch, that's what I'm there for and 98% of other people that support the A-League. If they don't like it, tough, walk away, majority of other fans will not give a shit as the world does not revolve a them, the game is bigger than them and will continue to strive with or without their childish antics. 

Hot tip.

NT disbanded only to reform as Yarraside to jump from sinking ship and support Timmy Cahill.

#Exclusive

Didn't stop the north end being active last night. 

People thinking Victory games this season are going to have the atmosphere of a GWS game are wrong.

New leadership will form. There will still be active support at MV games.

What if I told you we never actually were self-policed 

I think I'm getting hayfever, so much straw.

I wouldn't care to be honest

Believe it or not there was a time when A League supporters were not treated like caged animals. Where aisles were not loaded with security and police. And where riot police on horses did not line streets before and after kick off

Everything that has happened and is happening to active support has solely been brought on by themselves. Whether you want to blame the individual or the collective

From 2004 onwards everybody in football has had the same dream: a viable, professional and respectable national competition that we can be proud of after decades of shit, mismanagement, self harm and negativity

A portion of the stadium segmented off for anarchy and 15 minutes of fame has never been part of that dream. Contrary, is the sole image that has dogged our game

We both have a dream of one day having an all inclusive league where teams from the smallest to the largest can make a meaningful impact. This has already been soiled by A League clubs bringing their trademark shit to other grounds

I don't understand the want, need or desire to act like an idiot during our game, yet act civilised during other sporting events. And I couldn't give a fuck to be honest. The NT have disbanded. Good riddance. Here's hoping we can move forward with better active support and one that knows how to support the team within the confines of the legal system and venue charter

Really? They were basically unheard all night.

The loudest they got was to tell Cahill he only came for the money...

It will take a while for the support to be back in full volume again I think. Don't panic just yet.

No not at all. Im saying how shit it is and making it very clear that the atmosphere is lost which is a bad thing. It's others here that are happy they are gone thinking it wont make a difference. I was just stating that it will make a difference. Case in point last night's game. 

I will say this though, I know many that started attending games because of the atmosphere some of these groups made. Take that away and it might be okay now but you lose your point of difference and soon that atmosphere that the ffa goes on about as well as the casuals will not be there. Expecting people to just turn up and chant without being properly organised wont and doesn't work. Just look at half of the clubs in the league.

In saying that, they could have acted a lil better without having such a hissy fit because one of their own got "ratted" out for fucking up.

Really?? Couldnt hear them. City were very clearly much noisier than the Victory end. 

If you want a comparison of what the Victory end use to sound like, watch a couple of clips going back 4-5 years. The noise was respectfully very loud. They have gone down hill and last night was even worse than recent times.