No, people do realise that, it's just that lots of people also recognise how cancerous it would be to have a club that is primarily geared towards the furthering of people from a specific genetic disposition represented in a national competition. It's nothing to do with not realising revenue streams or ownership models or start up fans.

No you're right, but put SMFC in the A league and they will be pushing 8K to 10K for non derbies, which isn't bad at all.

And they do bring some much needed pedigree. 

Saying last century is quite an interesting play on language to make it appear worse.

SMFC were booted from the league since they were not given a licence. 

They are still the premier football club in Australia. you simply don't lose your status because the rug was pulled from under you. And its not as if all A League teams have been a runwaya success, because as a matter of fact, SMFC had better metrics than half the A league teams today. 

Plus, they have their own facilities, and will be profitable with meager attendances unlike all the other teams that need to rent their stadiums. 

The Nix are an effnik Anglo club.

I'd be very surprised if the current facilities didn't meet requirements, if it didn't at best it would be a tiny upgrade.

What people don't realise is our potential revenue streams at lakeside dwarf anything Geelong could come up with, we actually control the football rights to lakeside, victory are paying us to have their youth team play there now for eg, our club itself will be open 7 days a week, our facilities will be open to the public, the restaurant, bar, futsal court would be busy daily..we are pocketing that money, gameday itself will be insane. Geelong may be able to get a good stadium deal in terms of rent, but what exactly is going back into the football club?

We take the stadium deal offered to us, but we take the advantages of it to another level, the club model and club itself is the backbone of our bid. With the recent revelations of the Brisbane strikers bid and bleiberg caught out talking crap, ours so far is the only one that has gone into any serious detail...which it needs to be if you're prepared to say you're ready to join immediately.

Bitter ethnics. 

There's a whole lot of room to move, between "CCM is a disaster" and "CCM is the league benchmark across the board" - the way the talk is, our current financial state is better than a number of the other clubs, that's a start... Certainly significantly better than the last time this moron had an opportunity to look at the books. 

As it stands though, he could've made his point just fine, without dragging us into the argument - this way it just reeks of bitterness over not having been able to buy their way to our licence when Charlesworth took over. 

Disregarding that first bit for now - wouldn't want their heads to explode or something ;)

This keeps being brought up, but having a pitch and a clubhouse isn't enough in itself - does anyone actually know if their facilities meet the FFA requirements? 
If they don't, they'd obviously still have to sink money into an upgrade - question is whether the difference between their facilities and Geelong's - in terms of costs to reach the necessary level -  is as big as they'd like everyone to think it is. 

I am still working out which smartarse stole my lines. Prick.

What last century? And when most clubs were semi pro?

Jog on mate we are well past ancient times.

HortoMagiko - 23 Oct 2016 5:50 PM

VictoriasCCM.................great.
The fishing analogy doesnt always hold water.

HortoMagiko - 23 Oct 2016 9:43 PM

 Im saying following a cookie cutter plan can lead to us creating victorias version of ccm. Its daft to base your entire expansion philosophy soley on arbitrary population numbers... like i said the south coast mariners..can really see the broadcasters going mad for that fixture...all we need is them playing the nix and we can send legions of fans to sleep for 90mins.

http://forum.insidesport.com.au/1617388/The-Aleague-Expansion-Thread?PageIndex=141

Hahahaha.

I reckon you are right.

All this sudden expansion talk, but I'd be very sceptical at what vision the FFA really have for it to be a reality. Made to create media speculation to insert into presentations when pitching to TV stations.

They've already decided.

All this crap is just TV deal Burley

this is good.  its this competitiveness and eagerness which is going to push for a division 2 and p+r once clubs like south melbourne realise they have missed out on the a-league.

the ffa just need to hurry up and decide who is in.  

It'd be worth noting that the stadium deal that any new side would have at Simonds Stadium will be very lucrative, almost negating the apparent advantage that South have with Lakeside. Sides only need 3k to break even on matchday - one of the big reasons the Victory like to send a fixture down to Geelong once a season. Yes, I know it's not ideal from a fans perspective, but at least from a financial perspective you wouldn't end up with a financial blackhole like clubs like Brisbane currently face with crippling stadium rental. So that's one positive.

The standard of Football will also rise because if you play rubbish Football, it will catch up with you and you will get relegated. the top teams of A2 will also have something to play for as well. 

All clubs need a purpose, and at the moment, there is no purpose. Reward those who do well, and relegate those who don't. 

it's not as if any of the BIG clubs like MVFC have anything to fear. Worst case scenario, is that during a blue moon, they might get relegated too, but they will be back in no time. 

agree

Well you asked why the CCM were a failure.

I wouldn't go calling any team a failure, but they are not very strong by any stretch and SMFC will probably do a lot better than them. 

Bob Jane is one of the best set ups in the country.

What are you talking about? 

I beg to differ. Leo has been excellent for the club and has worked for the club over some decades, and sacrificed a lot for the club.

Judging him on a Twitter soundbite is nonsensical, and it was probably only put up to create exposure.

SMFC is a lot more than a semi pro team. It has a better set up than most, if not all, A League Franchises, has the finances, and probably the best organisational structure in Australia.

It's only natural that they would see other a league bids as competition especially if the A league is going to expand by 2 teams and there are already 8 bidders.

Personally, I think all bidders should be let into A2 League with promo/relegation. The best will always rise to the top if the FFA let this. 

I never said any of those two things. 

They own an academy though mate - including the building. Something that you might think SMFC do, inside that downright ugly running track of a leased stadium.

They are an excellent run semi-professional club (basically almost at pro level). They are fantastic, don't get me wrong - this guy is doing thme no favours.

Overall though I have doubts about them becoming a successful A-League side. What new fans would they attract? Do they have enough anymore that care enough? 

CCM isn't real good mate. if this is the benchmark now, then we are in a bit of trouble.

Well Paul....that is an easy question to answer but I'm not going to do it! lol

It's the best club in Australia, literally.

And they have their own facilities. 

I personally think paulc is spearheading the Geelong bid to counter the EFFNIKS at SMFC

I just want a Geelong away day.

Dem seedy train trips.

Obviously SMFC (at least board level) feel threatened by another potential bid from Victoria, and that's fairly understandable. TBH I would be too if every job at the club was fairly openly targetted towards people of Greek heritage before the general populace. I'm not being sardonic or sarcastic with that, but the Geelong bid won't do that and it's clear that SMFC do at the moment. That will be the hurdle they have to overcome.

Geelong have a huge football community already. In addition to that if the potential Geelong club want to create a new market as well get a deal with the AFL club. Maybe a cats member can get into one game from free, get them hooked and coming back. Geelong doesn't have summer sport. Need to get in there before the big bash does.