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+x@ bohDue to family circumstances I may have a lot more contact with Czechs in the future and shots as such. "to stačí" or "mám dost" will save your life mate. also, leave a little in your glass. If you empty the glass it means you want more. Nearly died learning that.
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Nix would probably be top of the league, the cap is holding us back the most.
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+xNix would probably be top of the league, the cap is holding us back the most. Aussies holding you back cuz.
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+xNix would probably be top of the league, the cap is holding us back the most. :blink:
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+xThe cap doesn't punish success, poor recruitment does It does punish success When a team wins, the value of its best players go up. The team can't afford to keep the players under the cap so they have to cut You cant have watched much of the A League if you haven't seen this It also punishes progress. There is often a correlation between the quality (perceived or otherwise) of a player and the amount of money they get. Maybe the FFA should have a salary cap. $50k for a CEO, $35k for an accountant. Lets test their "creativity" and "innovation" and see what they can come up with And its not as if the metrics are good. Its not like we are choosing between a league with P/R / no salary cap, or a league with a $600m-$700m TV deal with games rating 300k-400k. Doing things the Australian way for a game built on conformity and all inclusiveness has given us no advantage than had we simply built a competitive football league
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Transfer fees would help with inflating the local players wages.
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The salary cap doesn't punish success (at least from a football perspective). What punishes success is the fact we're a middling league where our best players want to always go on to challenge themselves elsewhere. There's nothing wrong with this either in my opinion.
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+xThe salary cap doesn't punish success (at least from a football perspective). What punishes success is the fact we're a middling league where our best players want to always go on to challenge themselves elsewhere. There's nothing wrong with this either in my opinion. Agree
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Said it in that thread predicting the ladder before the start of the season, Adelaide recited poorly, that's all there is to their story
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bluebird
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+xThe salary cap doesn't punish success (at least from a football perspective). What punishes success is the fact we're a middling league where our best players want to always go on to challenge themselves elsewhere. There's nothing wrong with this either in my opinion. When a player's worth goes up based on their performance and a club can't afford to keep them - that is what you are describing. And yes, it does happen If on the other hand a player's worth goes up and the rules of the league means the club is no longer allowed to have that player (or has to make decisions to cut other players), that is an example of the salary cap punishing success It is undeniable that the salary cap is punishing successful clubs. Some will call it a side effect. Some will call it the purpose of the cap
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+x+xThe salary cap doesn't punish success (at least from a football perspective). What punishes success is the fact we're a middling league where our best players want to always go on to challenge themselves elsewhere. There's nothing wrong with this either in my opinion. When a player's worth goes up based on their performance and a club can't afford to keep them - that is what you are describing. And yes, it does happen If on the other hand a player's worth goes up and the rules of the league means the club is no longer allowed to have that player (or has to make decisions to cut other players), that is an example of the salary cap punishing success It is undeniable that the salary cap is punishing successful clubs. Some will call it a side effect. Some will call it the purpose of the cap It happens but it's way overplayed. We lose some Djite's and Bridge's to which a club may be able to keep if they pay more. We also lose these sorts of players from clubs that didn't win anything too. And we lose players like Holland who weren't successful at all for their teams. Also hypothetically without a salary cap, if a team like Newcastle or Central Coast manage to fluke a title. They'd lose all their players and get punished for their success. Most likely for nothing as who's going to sign a long term deal for low wages and even the "rich" teams don't pay transfer fees at the moment for anyone. The cap "punishes" clubs that have bigger markets and therefore a greater propensity to generate revenue. This is somewhat independent of success as you've seen two teams that were pretty average last year in Sydney and Victory were still able to spend way more than clubs that were more successful than them last year. Personally I think the cap isn't strict enough, we have clubs like Sydney spending heaps on players like Holosko and Bobo who while are better than average players are not "marquees" that bring a lot to the league. A couple of million dollars a year in wages spent elsewhere could do a lot for the club in terms of facilities and community engagement which could bring them a lot of members and build football in this country for the long term. Marquees should be restricted to something much closer to the new part FFA funded guest player rule is but perhaps not quite as strict.
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+x+xThe salary cap doesn't punish success (at least from a football perspective). What punishes success is the fact we're a middling league where our best players want to always go on to challenge themselves elsewhere. There's nothing wrong with this either in my opinion. When a player's worth goes up based on their performance and a club can't afford to keep them - that is what you are describing. And yes, it does happen If on the other hand a player's worth goes up and the rules of the league means the club is no longer allowed to have that player (or has to make decisions to cut other players), that is an example of the salary cap punishing success It is undeniable that the salary cap is punishing successful clubs. Some will call it a side effect. Some will call it the purpose of the cap And i call it a fucking joke.... Or "soccer-lite"..... or "mr lowy can we pls put our big boy pants on pretty please league"
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+x+x+xBozza looking after the big cities. At least Merrick's got our back. To be utterly frank, the big cities are the only ones that actually matter. People watch their games and constantly talk about them on social media whilst media eyes are constantly fixed on these clubs. They are the ones that TV actually want to show, they are the only ones that aren't too cheap to embrace the Champions League properly and they drive the majority of interest in the competition. To restrict their level of squad investment and future success is self-defeating nonsense. If the big cities were all that mattered, then the NSWPL and VPL would have been huge and there'd have been no need to have a national comp. Here comes the cavalry  Bless your bleeding heart. Makes me cry like a bitch. Bozza on point yet again. None of your points are relevant.
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+x+x+x+xBozza looking after the big cities. At least Merrick's got our back. To be utterly frank, the big cities are the only ones that actually matter. People watch their games and constantly talk about them on social media whilst media eyes are constantly fixed on these clubs. They are the ones that TV actually want to show, they are the only ones that aren't too cheap to embrace the Champions League properly and they drive the majority of interest in the competition. To restrict their level of squad investment and future success is self-defeating nonsense. If the big cities were all that mattered, then the NSWPL and VPL would have been huge and there'd have been no need to have a national comp. Here comes the cavalry Bless your bleeding heart. Makes me cry like a bitch. Bozza on point yet again. None of your points are relevant. Lovin bozza lately! Tellin it like it is!
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+xThe salary cap doesn't punish success (at least from a football perspective). What punishes success is the fact we're a middling league where our best players want to always go on to challenge themselves elsewhere. There's nothing wrong with this either in my opinion. I notice other codes that have a salary cap (Afl, NRL, NBA, NFL etc) are the elite leagues of their respective sports and have the pick of the best talent. We have none of those things in common but still use the same system?
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+x+xThe salary cap doesn't punish success (at least from a football perspective). What punishes success is the fact we're a middling league where our best players want to always go on to challenge themselves elsewhere. There's nothing wrong with this either in my opinion. I notice other codes that have a salary cap (Afl, NRL, NBA, NFL etc) are the elite leagues of their respective sports and have the pick of the best talent. We have none of those things in common but still use the same system? Its madness. Utter madness. We mimic domestic insular midget sports...yet we are the world game.. its not wise to proverbially take ourselves off the grid. We dont need abberant rules, that dont align with world football protocols, in our domestic game. We dont need training wheels. We dont need soccer-lite. We need a bonafide league. We deserve the bare minimum of a bonafide league.
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+x+xThe cap doesn't punish success, poor recruitment does It does punish success When a team wins, the value of its best players go up. The team can't afford to keep the players under the cap so they have to cut
You cant have watched much of the A League if you haven't seen this It also punishes progress. There is often a correlation between the quality (perceived or otherwise) of a player and the amount of money they get. Maybe the FFA should have a salary cap. $50k for a CEO, $35k for an accountant. Lets test their "creativity" and "innovation" and see what they can come up with And its not as if the metrics are good. Its not like we are choosing between a league with P/R / no salary cap, or a league with a $600m-$700m TV deal with games rating 300k-400k. Doing things the Australian way for a game built on conformity and all inclusiveness has given us no advantage than had we simply built a competitive football league The best A-League players either go to Europe or the J League or K League regardless of where a team finishes.
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+x+x+xThe cap doesn't punish success, poor recruitment does It does punish success When a team wins, the value of its best players go up. The team can't afford to keep the players under the cap so they have to cut
You cant have watched much of the A League if you haven't seen this It also punishes progress. There is often a correlation between the quality (perceived or otherwise) of a player and the amount of money they get. Maybe the FFA should have a salary cap. $50k for a CEO, $35k for an accountant. Lets test their "creativity" and "innovation" and see what they can come up with And its not as if the metrics are good. Its not like we are choosing between a league with P/R / no salary cap, or a league with a $600m-$700m TV deal with games rating 300k-400k. Doing things the Australian way for a game built on conformity and all inclusiveness has given us no advantage than had we simply built a competitive football league The best A-League players either go to Europe or the J League or K League regardless of where a team finishes. Exactly, and it will continue to happen whether there is a salary cap or not. But without a salary cap clubs would have some hope of matching(or getting near) some overseas offers. I don't think all that would change too much removing the salary cap. We would see a few better/more expensive marquees but our clubs still won't be able to compete with bigger leagues around for the top shelf. and you would probably see the better current A-League players migrate towards the bigger clubs whilst the smaller clubs will rely more on NPL/Youth players(which would be better for our overall pool of players.)
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+x+x+x+xThe cap doesn't punish success, poor recruitment does It does punish success When a team wins, the value of its best players go up. The team can't afford to keep the players under the cap so they have to cut
You cant have watched much of the A League if you haven't seen this It also punishes progress. There is often a correlation between the quality (perceived or otherwise) of a player and the amount of money they get. Maybe the FFA should have a salary cap. $50k for a CEO, $35k for an accountant. Lets test their "creativity" and "innovation" and see what they can come up with And its not as if the metrics are good. Its not like we are choosing between a league with P/R / no salary cap, or a league with a $600m-$700m TV deal with games rating 300k-400k. Doing things the Australian way for a game built on conformity and all inclusiveness has given us no advantage than had we simply built a competitive football league The best A-League players either go to Europe or the J League or K League regardless of where a team finishes. Exactly, and it will continue to happen whether there is a salary cap or not. But without a salary cap clubs would have some hope of matching(or getting near) some overseas offers.
Players are probably better off going overseas if they go to Europe, Japan or Korea. We would have no hope of matching the Chinese super league even without the cap.
I don't think all that would change too much removing the salary cap. City would win the league every year. Victory and Sydney would be playing for second. The attendances of the other teams would drop as those teams would have no chance of winning anything and we would already know who will win the title. This means they would have even less money and as a result it would kill the league.
We would see a few better/more expensive marquees but our clubs still won't be able to compete with bigger leagues around for the top shelf. and you would probably see the better current A-League players migrate towards the bigger clubs whilst the smaller clubs will rely more on NPL/Youth players(which would be better for our overall pool of players.)
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+x+x+x+x+xThe cap doesn't punish success, poor recruitment does It does punish success When a team wins, the value of its best players go up. The team can't afford to keep the players under the cap so they have to cut
You cant have watched much of the A League if you haven't seen this It also punishes progress. There is often a correlation between the quality (perceived or otherwise) of a player and the amount of money they get. Maybe the FFA should have a salary cap. $50k for a CEO, $35k for an accountant. Lets test their "creativity" and "innovation" and see what they can come up with And its not as if the metrics are good. Its not like we are choosing between a league with P/R / no salary cap, or a league with a $600m-$700m TV deal with games rating 300k-400k. Doing things the Australian way for a game built on conformity and all inclusiveness has given us no advantage than had we simply built a competitive football league The best A-League players either go to Europe or the J League or K League regardless of where a team finishes. Exactly, and it will continue to happen whether there is a salary cap or not. But without a salary cap clubs would have some hope of matching(or getting near) some overseas offers.
Players are probably better off going overseas if they go to Europe, Japan or Korea. We would have no hope of matching the Chinese super league even without the cap.
I don't think all that would change too much removing the salary cap. City would win the league every year. Victory and Sydney would be playing for second. The attendances of the other teams would drop as those teams would have no chance of winning anything and we would already know who will win the title. This means they would have even less money and as a result it would kill the league.
We would see a few better/more expensive marquees but our clubs still won't be able to compete with bigger leagues around for the top shelf. and you would probably see the better current A-League players migrate towards the bigger clubs whilst the smaller clubs will rely more on NPL/Youth players(which would be better for our overall pool of players.) Your posts reek of - we put a dumb/anomalous rule in place, (that for eg. Table tennis uses....and isnt used anywhere else in world football).... and now youre trying to convince people that its a good idea . Essentially, the "advantages" of a salary cap are irrelevant....same goes for any other stupid rule thats crowbarred into our game, that doesnt belong there in the first place. It simply doesnt belong there. Thats the point here. Sure the cap causes all kinds of problems and anomalies...and fyi thats why it shouldn't be there.
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The cap is the main reason so many players are on short term contracts, again making real team building difficult. Along with the no transfer fees rule it is also the cause of a lot of the player/team disputes when it is very hard to replace players.
I get the cap benefits, especially at the start of the A-league but it has to be a short term thing.
I would suggest that we move to a 'soft' cap as an in between step. Go a dollar over cap and you have to give a dollar spread between the other teams. Add capped transfer fees as an interim measure and you have a system that allows flexibility and team building, while still encouraging competitiveness. And if someone like MC wants to go 10mil over then great, everyone profits.
From there you can go full cap free later on if you want.
Edit. Also more finals and merch money for clubs.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThe cap doesn't punish success, poor recruitment does It does punish success When a team wins, the value of its best players go up. The team can't afford to keep the players under the cap so they have to cut
You cant have watched much of the A League if you haven't seen this It also punishes progress. There is often a correlation between the quality (perceived or otherwise) of a player and the amount of money they get. Maybe the FFA should have a salary cap. $50k for a CEO, $35k for an accountant. Lets test their "creativity" and "innovation" and see what they can come up with And its not as if the metrics are good. Its not like we are choosing between a league with P/R / no salary cap, or a league with a $600m-$700m TV deal with games rating 300k-400k. Doing things the Australian way for a game built on conformity and all inclusiveness has given us no advantage than had we simply built a competitive football league The best A-League players either go to Europe or the J League or K League regardless of where a team finishes. Exactly, and it will continue to happen whether there is a salary cap or not. But without a salary cap clubs would have some hope of matching(or getting near) some overseas offers.
Players are probably better off going overseas if they go to Europe, Japan or Korea. We would have no hope of matching the Chinese super league even without the cap.
I don't think all that would change too much removing the salary cap. City would win the league every year. Victory and Sydney would be playing for second. The attendances of the other teams would drop as those teams would have no chance of winning anything and we would already know who will win the title. This means they would have even less money and as a result it would kill the league.
We would see a few better/more expensive marquees but our clubs still won't be able to compete with bigger leagues around for the top shelf. and you would probably see the better current A-League players migrate towards the bigger clubs whilst the smaller clubs will rely more on NPL/Youth players(which would be better for our overall pool of players.) Your posts reek of - we put a dumb/anomalous rule in place, (that for eg. Table tennis uses....and isnt used anywhere else in world football).... and now youre trying to convince people that its a good idea . Essentially, the "advantages" of a salary cap are irrelevant....same goes for any other stupid rule thats crowbarred into our game, that doesnt belong there in the first place. It simply doesnt belong there. Thats the point here. Sure it causes all kinds of problems and anomalies...and fyi thats why it shouldn't be there. The cap works fine. Don't fix something that ain't broke.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe cap doesn't punish success, poor recruitment does It does punish success When a team wins, the value of its best players go up. The team can't afford to keep the players under the cap so they have to cut
You cant have watched much of the A League if you haven't seen this It also punishes progress. There is often a correlation between the quality (perceived or otherwise) of a player and the amount of money they get. Maybe the FFA should have a salary cap. $50k for a CEO, $35k for an accountant. Lets test their "creativity" and "innovation" and see what they can come up with And its not as if the metrics are good. Its not like we are choosing between a league with P/R / no salary cap, or a league with a $600m-$700m TV deal with games rating 300k-400k. Doing things the Australian way for a game built on conformity and all inclusiveness has given us no advantage than had we simply built a competitive football league The best A-League players either go to Europe or the J League or K League regardless of where a team finishes. Exactly, and it will continue to happen whether there is a salary cap or not. But without a salary cap clubs would have some hope of matching(or getting near) some overseas offers.
Players are probably better off going overseas if they go to Europe, Japan or Korea. We would have no hope of matching the Chinese super league even without the cap.
I don't think all that would change too much removing the salary cap. City would win the league every year. Victory and Sydney would be playing for second. The attendances of the other teams would drop as those teams would have no chance of winning anything and we would already know who will win the title. This means they would have even less money and as a result it would kill the league.
We would see a few better/more expensive marquees but our clubs still won't be able to compete with bigger leagues around for the top shelf. and you would probably see the better current A-League players migrate towards the bigger clubs whilst the smaller clubs will rely more on NPL/Youth players(which would be better for our overall pool of players.) Your posts reek of - we put a dumb/anomalous rule in place, (that for eg. Table tennis uses....and isnt used anywhere else in world football).... and now youre trying to convince people that its a good idea . Essentially, the "advantages" of a salary cap are irrelevant....same goes for any other stupid rule thats crowbarred into our game, that doesnt belong there in the first place. It simply doesnt belong there. Thats the point here. Sure it causes all kinds of problems and anomalies...and fyi thats why it shouldn't be there. The cap works fine. Don't fix something that ain't broke. Our league is broken partly bc of this anomalous rule that doesnt belong there. Go follow afl if you like their rules so much.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe cap doesn't punish success, poor recruitment does It does punish success When a team wins, the value of its best players go up. The team can't afford to keep the players under the cap so they have to cut
You cant have watched much of the A League if you haven't seen this It also punishes progress. There is often a correlation between the quality (perceived or otherwise) of a player and the amount of money they get. Maybe the FFA should have a salary cap. $50k for a CEO, $35k for an accountant. Lets test their "creativity" and "innovation" and see what they can come up with And its not as if the metrics are good. Its not like we are choosing between a league with P/R / no salary cap, or a league with a $600m-$700m TV deal with games rating 300k-400k. Doing things the Australian way for a game built on conformity and all inclusiveness has given us no advantage than had we simply built a competitive football league The best A-League players either go to Europe or the J League or K League regardless of where a team finishes. Exactly, and it will continue to happen whether there is a salary cap or not. But without a salary cap clubs would have some hope of matching(or getting near) some overseas offers.
Players are probably better off going overseas if they go to Europe, Japan or Korea. We would have no hope of matching the Chinese super league even without the cap.
I don't think all that would change too much removing the salary cap. City would win the league every year. Victory and Sydney would be playing for second. The attendances of the other teams would drop as those teams would have no chance of winning anything and we would already know who will win the title. This means they would have even less money and as a result it would kill the league.
We would see a few better/more expensive marquees but our clubs still won't be able to compete with bigger leagues around for the top shelf. and you would probably see the better current A-League players migrate towards the bigger clubs whilst the smaller clubs will rely more on NPL/Youth players(which would be better for our overall pool of players.) Your posts reek of - we put a dumb/anomalous rule in place, (that for eg. Table tennis uses....and isnt used anywhere else in world football).... and now youre trying to convince people that its a good idea . Essentially, the "advantages" of a salary cap are irrelevant....same goes for any other stupid rule thats crowbarred into our game, that doesnt belong there in the first place. It simply doesnt belong there. Thats the point here. Sure it causes all kinds of problems and anomalies...and fyi thats why it shouldn't be there. The cap works fine. Don't fix something that ain't broke. Our league is broken partly bc of this anomalous rule that doesnt belong there. Go follow afl if you like their rules so much. How is the league broken because of the salary cap?
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+x+x+xThe cap doesn't punish success, poor recruitment does It does punish success When a team wins, the value of its best players go up. The team can't afford to keep the players under the cap so they have to cut
You cant have watched much of the A League if you haven't seen this It also punishes progress. There is often a correlation between the quality (perceived or otherwise) of a player and the amount of money they get. Maybe the FFA should have a salary cap. $50k for a CEO, $35k for an accountant. Lets test their "creativity" and "innovation" and see what they can come up with And its not as if the metrics are good. Its not like we are choosing between a league with P/R / no salary cap, or a league with a $600m-$700m TV deal with games rating 300k-400k. Doing things the Australian way for a game built on conformity and all inclusiveness has given us no advantage than had we simply built a competitive football league The best A-League players either go to Europe or the J League or K League regardless of where a team finishes. I'm not talking about the best players. I'm talking about players that the A League can afford. If a team loses a $500k player to an overseas club, they can then offer that $500k to another A League player MV did it to Brisbane. Wellington did it to MV There's no science behind the salary cap. Its just something we have because we're Australian and that's what Australian's do. And the figure chosen is ambiguous. As mentioned above, the AFL can afford to have a salary cap because they have all the players. A salary cap stops players from wondering because there is no incentive to do so It doesn't work in the A League. Despite having a salary cap the amount of club whores in the league is ridiculous. I think one player is up to 7 clubs. We also have international interest to contend with Not only that but because the "punish the top teams" happens via the draft in the AFL, clubs can stay at top for 3-4 years. In the A League there is only 1 instance in 12 seasons of back to back titles (regardless of which one you value the most). There is just no chance for a team to go back to back There is no question as to the detrimental impact a salary cap has on the top teams. The "opinion" part of the topic is whether such a system can be vindicated Even 12 years on the A League still has "normal games" around the 8k-10k mark. Ratings at the 60k mark. Clubs haven't moved much from attendances in the first few seasons. This notion that fans are only interested in a balanced league is full of shit As for balance: If the team that won the season before is at a disadvantage, is that balance? Is concessions for WSW balance? Is Cahill for City balance? Is a 20 point gap in the top half of the table balance? The salary cap is not giving our league a level of support we couldn't get in an uncapped league. It also doesn't provide balance The only thing it does is crush the teams at the top so another team inevitably wins it, and over a long period of time titles are distributed across more teams Is that really the goal of the A League first and foremost when we only have 9 Australian professional teams and all our national teams are struggling? There is nothing about the A League that we can look at and say "that's why we need a salary cap"
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe cap doesn't punish success, poor recruitment does It does punish success When a team wins, the value of its best players go up. The team can't afford to keep the players under the cap so they have to cut
You cant have watched much of the A League if you haven't seen this It also punishes progress. There is often a correlation between the quality (perceived or otherwise) of a player and the amount of money they get. Maybe the FFA should have a salary cap. $50k for a CEO, $35k for an accountant. Lets test their "creativity" and "innovation" and see what they can come up with And its not as if the metrics are good. Its not like we are choosing between a league with P/R / no salary cap, or a league with a $600m-$700m TV deal with games rating 300k-400k. Doing things the Australian way for a game built on conformity and all inclusiveness has given us no advantage than had we simply built a competitive football league The best A-League players either go to Europe or the J League or K League regardless of where a team finishes. Exactly, and it will continue to happen whether there is a salary cap or not. But without a salary cap clubs would have some hope of matching(or getting near) some overseas offers.
Players are probably better off going overseas if they go to Europe, Japan or Korea. We would have no hope of matching the Chinese super league even without the cap.
I don't think all that would change too much removing the salary cap. City would win the league every year. Victory and Sydney would be playing for second. The attendances of the other teams would drop as those teams would have no chance of winning anything and we would already know who will win the title. This means they would have even less money and as a result it would kill the league.
We would see a few better/more expensive marquees but our clubs still won't be able to compete with bigger leagues around for the top shelf. and you would probably see the better current A-League players migrate towards the bigger clubs whilst the smaller clubs will rely more on NPL/Youth players(which would be better for our overall pool of players.) Your posts reek of - we put a dumb/anomalous rule in place, (that for eg. Table tennis uses....and isnt used anywhere else in world football).... and now youre trying to convince people that its a good idea . Essentially, the "advantages" of a salary cap are irrelevant....same goes for any other stupid rule thats crowbarred into our game, that doesnt belong there in the first place. It simply doesnt belong there. Thats the point here. Sure it causes all kinds of problems and anomalies...and fyi thats why it shouldn't be there. The cap works fine. Don't fix something that ain't broke. Our league is broken partly bc of this anomalous rule that doesnt belong there. Go follow afl if you like their rules so much. How is the league broken because of the salary cap? Do you actually watch the a league soccer competition?
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+x+x+x+xThe cap doesn't punish success, poor recruitment does It does punish success When a team wins, the value of its best players go up. The team can't afford to keep the players under the cap so they have to cut
You cant have watched much of the A League if you haven't seen this It also punishes progress. There is often a correlation between the quality (perceived or otherwise) of a player and the amount of money they get. Maybe the FFA should have a salary cap. $50k for a CEO, $35k for an accountant. Lets test their "creativity" and "innovation" and see what they can come up with And its not as if the metrics are good. Its not like we are choosing between a league with P/R / no salary cap, or a league with a $600m-$700m TV deal with games rating 300k-400k. Doing things the Australian way for a game built on conformity and all inclusiveness has given us no advantage than had we simply built a competitive football league The best A-League players either go to Europe or the J League or K League regardless of where a team finishes. I'm not talking about the best players. I'm talking about players that the A League can afford. If a team loses a $500k player to an overseas club, they can then offer that $500k to another A League player MV did it to Brisbane. Wellington did it to MV There's no science behind the salary cap. Its just something we have because we're Australian and that's what Australian's do. And the figure chosen is ambiguous. As mentioned above, the AFL can afford to have a salary cap because they have all the players. A salary cap stops players from wondering because there is no incentive to do so It doesn't work in the A League. Despite having a salary cap the amount of club whores in the league is ridiculous. I think one player is up to 7 clubs. We also have international interest to contend with Not only that but because the "punish the top teams" happens via the draft in the AFL, clubs can stay at top for 3-4 years. In the A League there is only 1 instance in 12 seasons of back to back titles (regardless of which one you value the most). There is just no chance for a team to go back to back There is no question as to the detrimental impact a salary cap has on the top teams. The "opinion" part of the topic is whether such a system can be vindicated Even 12 years on the A League still has "normal games" around the 8k-10k mark. Ratings at the 60k mark. Clubs haven't moved much from attendances in the first few seasons. This notion that fans are only interested in a balanced league is full of shit As for balance: If the team that won the season before is at a disadvantage, is that balance? Is concessions for WSW balance? Is Cahill for City balance? Is a 20 point gap in the top half of the table balance? The salary cap is not giving our league a level of support we couldn't get in an uncapped league. It also doesn't provide balance The only thing it does is crush the teams at the top so another team inevitably wins it, and over a long period of time titles are distributed across more teams Is that really the goal of the A League first and foremost when we only have 9 Australian professional teams and all our national teams are struggling? There is nothing about the A League that we can look at and say "that's why we need a salary cap" ....don't know the answer to the cap situation....but we are at a place where the questions should be asked . The football standard is getting better each year but crowds and ratings are not. Something needs to be looked at for change . Not sure taking the cap away is the answer but a renovation may be needed Even when a business is successful it still needs innovation to stay ahead ....we need innovation .
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I support abolition of the salary cap as well.
Basically, let the times that can afford to spend big, do it and recruit some real stars which will raise the standards of Football in this country.
I support one of the teams that can't afford to spend big. But i don't subscribe to the theory that the big spenders will win the championship because they have one or 2 stars in their line-up. It would however peak interest into the A league, raise standards and be a bigger spectacle which I can only support as a person who places the quality of Football over and beyond the team I support. That is what everyone should be doing. we should be looking at ways to grow the sport in this country.
I also support promotion and relegation as well as a second tier competition.
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+x+x+x+xThe cap doesn't punish success, poor recruitment does It does punish success When a team wins, the value of its best players go up. The team can't afford to keep the players under the cap so they have to cut
You cant have watched much of the A League if you haven't seen this It also punishes progress. There is often a correlation between the quality (perceived or otherwise) of a player and the amount of money they get. Maybe the FFA should have a salary cap. $50k for a CEO, $35k for an accountant. Lets test their "creativity" and "innovation" and see what they can come up with And its not as if the metrics are good. Its not like we are choosing between a league with P/R / no salary cap, or a league with a $600m-$700m TV deal with games rating 300k-400k. Doing things the Australian way for a game built on conformity and all inclusiveness has given us no advantage than had we simply built a competitive football league The best A-League players either go to Europe or the J League or K League regardless of where a team finishes. I'm not talking about the best players. I'm talking about players that the A League can afford. If a team loses a $500k player to an overseas club, they can then offer that $500k to another A League player MV did it to Brisbane. Wellington did it to MV There's no science behind the salary cap. Its just something we have because we're Australian and that's what Australian's do. And the figure chosen is ambiguous. As mentioned above, the AFL can afford to have a salary cap because they have all the players. A salary cap stops players from wondering because there is no incentive to do so It doesn't work in the A League. Despite having a salary cap the amount of club whores in the league is ridiculous. I think one player is up to 7 clubs. We also have international interest to contend with Not only that but because the "punish the top teams" happens via the draft in the AFL, clubs can stay at top for 3-4 years. In the A League there is only 1 instance in 12 seasons of back to back titles (regardless of which one you value the most). There is just no chance for a team to go back to back There is no question as to the detrimental impact a salary cap has on the top teams. The "opinion" part of the topic is whether such a system can be vindicated Even 12 years on the A League still has "normal games" around the 8k-10k mark. Ratings at the 60k mark. Clubs haven't moved much from attendances in the first few seasons. This notion that fans are only interested in a balanced league is full of shit As for balance: If the team that won the season before is at a disadvantage, is that balance? Is concessions for WSW balance? Is Cahill for City balance? Is a 20 point gap in the top half of the table balance? The salary cap is not giving our league a level of support we couldn't get in an uncapped league. It also doesn't provide balance The only thing it does is crush the teams at the top so another team inevitably wins it, and over a long period of time titles are distributed across more teams
This is a good thing. This keeps the league interesting. People won't watch a league where only one team can win the title. That's why no one gives a shit about the Scottish Premiership.Is that really the goal of the A League first and foremost when we only have 9 Australian professional teams and all our national teams are struggling? No one is really in financial trouble at the moment.
There is nothing about the A League that we can look at and say "that's why we need a salary cap" The cap keeps the competition even and interesting. People aren't going to want to watch a league where only Melbourne City will win the league every year because they have the most money, especially since they are a small club.
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+xI support abolition of the salary cap as well. basically, let the times that can afford to spend big, do it and recruit some real stars which will raise the standards of Football in this country.
That's what the marquee and guest player rule is for.I support one of the teams that can't afford to spend big. But i don't subscribe to the theory that the big spenders will win the championship because they have one or 2 stars in their line-up. So Chelsea and Man City were winning and competing for silverware before they were bought by Roman Abramovich and Sheikh Mansour?
It would however peak interest into the A league, raise standards and be a bigger spectacle which I can only support as a person who places the quality of Football over and beyond the team I support. That is what everyone would be doing. we should be looking at ways to grow the sport in this country. No it won't. People aren't going to watch a league where only one team can win the title.
I also support promotion and relegation as well as a second tier competition.
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