roar's 6-0 rout doesn't surprise me after seeing their bris-syd-seoul-ulsan economy class and bus itinerary, inevitable that they would be very sluggish 

as Simon Hill stated on our local AFL radio
more money needs to be put into football and not internationally dead end sports.

Bosnich is woke 

Did you hear the dickheads calling up afterwards? Every stereotype under the sun :laugh:

Correct , absolute narrow minded ...But what can we expect from the Pro AFL media that is 5aa / Nova /newscorp
Simon Hill even pointed to the olympics , Australia struggled big time  in the last event... 

Sen or is this Adelaide local radio? 

Adelaide local
5aa , part of the Nova group, which is part of newscorp

https://soundcloud.com/fiveaa/simon-hill-28217

They don't podcast the callers of course but the usual "soccer puts me to sleep" and "I like women's soccer because it's a girl's game" type callers came out of the woodwork.

To the issues listed are a little backwards IMO.

1. Transfer fees - so they're suggesting because NPL clubs only get a small cut that players aren't making the step up, or NPL clubs aren't training players to a higher quality (just high enough to help NPL teams win)?? The local amateur clubs might as well fold now then if that is the attitude of NPL coaches .... I agree that NPL clubs should be able to negotiate better transfers, but I don't think that would have made a huge difference last night. Also there is a catch 22 ... if you increase NPL transfer fees then the A-League youth teams start to poach players at an earlier age from NPL clubs, thus negating the need to pay a fee later.

2. Salary cap - agree that if A-League clubs want to be competitive in Asia it is required to go, but what is the goal of most A-League clubs?? ACL or A-League?? Not to mention Adelaide United made a final and WSW won a final under a salary cap system. They also contradicted themselves earlier by saying the two Croats that tore them apart would have fitted under our salary cap. So this suggests that A-League club scouts aren't as good, or the A-League can't attract the players (given the large expat Croat communities in Australia, our living conditions etc. if they were offered the same wage and told to pick between Australia and China I wouldn't have thought it would take them long to decide Australia).

3. Lack Ambition - really?? Again was this an issue or a consequence that led to these results?? Sure it would be great to have more A-League sides, but again shouldn't the cream be rising to the top anyway?? Not to mention that there are opportunities all around the world for them to make a living off the game, compared to Aussie Rule players who only have 18 teams across the whole world to try in make a living from the sport. Yet we see mature recruits to the AFL, and each week these players put all their heart into games knowing that there is no higher level for them to go to (no international team, no club continental games, no world cups, no confed cups, no club world champions, no cups, etc. etc.) Why do these Aussie rule players not lack ambition but so many soccer players do???

Was the best half time segment ever. Most who watched the games up to that point would have been lost for words but credit to Bozza and Rudes bringing the passion.

1/ If NPL clubs could negotiate, instead of a pittance, they could negotiate 100k + 25% of future sales or whatever.
2/ The issue is not making the ACL, but what happens when you loose all your players. Transfers need to happen and maybe the salary cap needs to go.
3/ So it's an issue of coaching then, or scouting?

Agree.

Gallop has to go.

I wonder if the Fox higher-ups think like Rudan and Bosnich.  You'd think if they did they'd tell the FFA they have to expand.  How does the status quo benefit Fox?

1. But still doesn't reflect the results last night. It is a completely separate issue that needs to be addressed.

2. Again would the salary cap have kept the players?? From my understanding Poppa pretty much had a clean sweep of his squad (nothing to do with any players complaining they wanted more money), Adelaide was hit by transfers ... but again was it the salary that was the big factor in those transfers, or the chance for European football?? Brisbane's only big loss I am aware of from last season was Corona (Kristensen is probably better IMO, and they also recruited Holman)

3. Don't know ... but is it's the administration role to provide ambition?? To a degree yes, but really it comes down to the Club, managers, coaches, staff, other players etc. etc. It is the same in most workplaces.

But look Rudan was a coach at an NPL club and is very faithful to them. So unfortunately his view will be a little bias, and I think he has used the results to drive his agenda rather than address the reasons for the results.

1/ But it is an inherent problem, kids getting charged $1000-$2500 a year, transfer fees could offset that a little and expose everyone to good training, or better training. It is a large subject, with many nuances.
2/ Maybe, it's a point in case, but transfers between clubs would mean that those clubs could have strengthened, whilst benefiting other clubs. Bigger clubs could offer bigger contracts, like Milligan for example.
3/yep.

Maybe, he may see how Aussie football is going and would like the lower leagues to be better financed as well as reducing fees for youth and allowing more pathways, better paid and trained coaches etc.

Why a little less Ranty?  this is a serious matter that could have bigger implications. WE NEED TO EXPAND, WE NEED PRO/REL, WE DONT NEED A SALARY CAP. The FFA says that they lack the funds, I don't believe that for a minute. These absolute thieves have come in and stolen the game away from people just because of their 'business' expertise in running a franchise (get out and let the people who are passionate about it RUN IT). Once these scum from the FFA wake up and realise that without taking a risk they aren't going to get any richer, they are as blind as bats to not see the potential gold mine they are sitting on top of. Absolute rubbish. They may seem "ranty" because of the passion that Rudes and Bozza have for the game, these are the expressions shown on behalf of probably a quarter of the countries population.

no personal attack

If there was serious transfer fees NPL clubs may start taking development more seriously.  If there was a good stable revenue stream available they could invest in better coaches and facilities as well as player scholarships or subsidised registration fees.

You questioned my opinion, that's in no way a personal attack.

In the context of when it happened a rant is alright and I like that they're passionate. However, we need to have a more serious debate about these things. I would like Gallop to appear on a show like Shootout and put some context to some of the stuff that Bozza rants about.

But we are a unique sporting environment! 

Agree ... but I still feel this is not a reason for the results last night.

How does everybody feel about a finals football boycott? That would hit the FFA in the only place it would feel it: its pocket. Meanwhile, the teams we support aren't financially affected.

What are the reasons?

I'm just waiting for someone to start a boycott, people would join

Poor recruitment by clubs, club's focus on the ACL (many send weakened squads to games and save stronger sides for A-League), management issues?? (Wanderers looked absolutely terrible against Glory on the weekend, could have won easily by more goals), fatigue / scheduling, tactics??, how prepared were these teams for these matches??, and all the background stuff we have no idea about.

In regards to the salary cap the reason for me is more that without a salary cap you enable strong sides to recruit better, play in the ACL regularly etc. but the flip-side is that you may get a dominant few sides only in the A-League (what is the priority?? A ever-changing of the guard in the A-League or a few dominant domestic teams playing well in the ACL??)

Stronger sides increase the quality of the league, therefore more money, which leads to better development and the 'smaller clubs'on an evenly spread TV deal to get better players themselves. While Aussie players develop better due to higher competition and opens up a loaning system between clubs.

If there was a serious second division, that would bridge the gap between HAL and NPL, it would expose more players to higher competition, maybe HAL clubs could loan players, more easily scouted players. This is a big reason why there have been very little overage newcomers (whatever the HAL calls it), or young players of 18-20 being HAL ready.
The gap is too large.
Mooy said the difference between the championship was that everyone was at a certain level, where in the HAL we have a couple of great players, a few really good ones, some good ones but quite a few mediocre ones. The reason for a second division is to bring the standard up so the level is an ever growing constant, if that makes sense and I think a second division provides that.
Salary cap means that a team of relatively good quality can be obtained, whilst transfers are a means to an end of the product.

Agree

I have heard him on that show before. He certainly never holds back.

I'll boycott the finals this season in support.

I'll repeat Bozzas stat. 36 points seperate top and bottom in the salary capped A-League, (and according to Bozza cbf checking) thats a bigger disparity than the Big 5 uncappped leagues. Epl etc. Clearly financial restrictions dont bear the fruit they purport to. 

Salary caps dont belong in world football. Youre trying to justify an anomaly.

What salary caps tend to do is not so much even out the competition in a particular season, but tend to ensure teams only dominant a league for a few years. Look at most salary capped leagues around the world, you'll find that teams have periods of strength for 3 to 4 years and then slip down the ladder (this is extending of late as better understanding of player management means stars hang around longer and at the top their game, and of course depends on the sport). The AFL is a prime example of this (the NBA and NFL tend to follow a similar suite ... esp. with franchise players).

There have been 4 different EPL champions since the start of the A-League, similarly 4 in the Bundesliga, only 3 in La Liga and Serie A (with around 30 teams competing in those leagues over that period). The A-League has had 6 premiers in that same time (out of around 14 teams who've competed) ... only Ligue 1 has had 6 champions in that time, however PSG have won the last 4 in a row and around 30 teams would have competed for the league during that period.

Furthermore no team in the A-League has won the premiership twice in a row (only once has a team won back to back championships). In Serie A Juventus has won it 5 times in a row (probably make it 6 this year) and Inter also won it 5 times in a row since the A-League has started. Bayern are on track to win their 5th in a row.

This is what the FFA are trying to stop in the A-League, right or wrong??