They would become competing leagues and create significant problems

Could very well happen, also a second division could become more popular as people are already bored to hell with the A-League. 

No it couldnt

2nd doesn't have p&r either and less cash

There is no certainty a div2 would have a salary cap.Why is it needed anyway? Clubs spend within their ability to balance the books.If they go broke they are out.
Plus there could be a Div three and p/r.
All you need is for Div2/3 to start and who knows in three years it could be booming and someone with money may fork out serious cash to get a winning team.
But if we got to that stage promotion to the HAL would be more logical.Unless there was a merger pf Div2 and HAL.

Source?

FFA Cup success feeds A-League promotion-relegation debate

ONE of the best things Football Federation Australia has done recently is introduce the FFA Cup.

It is the largest sporting competition in Australia involving professional clubs, linking global superstars like Tim Cahill with weekend warriors from as far and wide as Hobart, Darwin and Perth.

When Neranga United took on Pine Rivers in Brisbane on February 9 there were 732 clubs in the running to be the fourth FFA Cup champion.

Now 32 remain as the business end begins.

But with the Cup being such a great bridge-builder between the top flight and state-based competitions, FFA has also inadvertently opened a Pandora’s box.


More than 11,000 fans packed Olympic Village for Heidelberg’s 2015 quarterfinal against Melbourne City, one of the most memorable FFA Cup occasions thus far. PICTURE: George Salpigtidis
While some sections of the soccer community have long campaigned for an open pyramid system, proponents of promotion and relegation now have many more friends singing from the same hymn sheet in light of the excitement generated by linking so many levels of the sport through the FFA Cup.

With such a sameness about the A-League — the same 10 teams will play each other three times this season for a sixth year in a row — the cup’s storylines can be just as, if not more, engaging than the league.

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The soccer community is incredibly divided about the merits of a second division, what it could and should look like, if it is viable and if it will ever happen.

But philosophically a large majority would love to see promotion and relegation in the A-League.

Many fans want the tension of relegation battles, the fairytale stories of clubs climbing the divisions, the additional opportunities for young players to prosper and for lower clubs to invest in the real hope of journeying somewhere greater.

But right now, the FFA Cup is as close as we’ve got.


Bentleigh Greens players, pictured after their semi-final loss to Perth in 2014, received widespread attention for their Cinderella run through the inaurugal competition. PICTURE: Jake Nowakowski
South Melbourne’s A-League ambitions will be put firmly in the spotlight when it hosts Edgeworth Eagles on Wednesday night — the first top flight competition game South has played at Lakeside Stadium since the 2003-04 National Soccer League elimination final against Marconi.

Heidelberg could become the fourth second tier team to knock off an A-League giant when it takes on Perth Glory next Tuesday, the same night Melbourne City kicks off its Cup defence away to Brisbane side Peninsula Power.

And on August 9, two blockbusters: Brisbane Roar host Melbourne Victory in a rematch of April’s A-League semi-final, while the two most successful grassroots sides in the Cup’s history — Victorians Hume City and Bentleigh Greens — go head-to-head.


South Melbourne qualified for the Round of 32 for the second time with a thrilling comeback win against Dandenong City in May. PICTURE: Tony Gough
FFA CUP 2017

STARTS WEDNESDAY

SOUTH MELBOURNE v EDGEWORTH EAGLES

Lakeside Stadium, 8pm

Live on Fox Sports

ALSO WEDNESDAY

Bankstown Berries (NSW) v MetroStars (S.A)

Hills United (NSW) v Hakoah Sydney City (NSW)

Sorrento FC (W.A) v Canberra Olympic (ACT)

OTHER VICTORIAN TEAMS

Heidelberg United v Perth Glory (Olympic Village, August 1)

Peninsula Power (Qld) v Melbourne City (Brisbane, August 1)

Brisbane Roar v Melbourne Victory (Brisbane, August 9)

Hume City v Bentleigh Greens (ABD Stadium, August 9)

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/ffa-cup-success-feeds-aleague-promotionrelegation-debate/news-story/9f0d18b0206cc0bd4dc740fddad2be41

Great results in the cup. It should add a new amount of energy and excitement to future goals. 

AAFC printing 'I told you so' - letters as we speak.

LOL

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Maybe the Trophy for the second div can be the Les Murray Cup?

-PB

And an actually proper trophy, not a toilet seat v2.0

A real trophy for real clubs, I like it. 

Why all the talk of a second division won’t simply disappear

Heidelberg United and Blacktown City’s stunning Round of 32 FFA Cup victories are beneficial to Australian football in more ways than one

03 August 2017 | Mike Tuckerman

After seeing off A-League opposition in the form of Perth Glory and Central Coast Mariners respectively, the Bergers and the boys from Blacktown can look forward to another round of knock-out action on the national stage.

That they can do so on the back of such impressive performances – neither Heidelberg’s 1-0 win over Perth, nor Blacktown’s thrilling 3-2 win over Central Coast were flukes – is a nice little fillip for both the New South Wales and Victorian state leagues.

It’s perhaps instructive that this year’s giant-killers to date hail from Melbourne and Sydney. State league clubs now play under the auspices of the National Premier Leagues, which many supporters feel should be the basis for a new nationalised second division.

The fact that the Victorian and New South Wales state leagues are by far the nation’s strongest has largely been overlooked by fans clamouring for a second tier, although it should be pointed out that former National Soccer League stalwarts Adelaide City and Queensland side Redlands United – along with traditional Victorian powerhouse Green Gully – have also knocked A-League opposition out of the FFA Cup.

Meanwhile, a national spotlight is nothing new for either Heidelberg United or Blacktown City. Both clubs spent time in the National Soccer League, with the Bergers forcibly excluded in 1995 following a period of rationalisation which saw the NSL confusingly rebranded as ‘the A-League’, while Blacktown City dropped down to the state leagues via a more traditional route – relegation.

Blacktown City found themselves back in the big time twice more during the NSL era, but it’s an opportunity no longer afforded to the club in the closed shop that is the fully professional A-League. And after several years of watching the same ten teams go around in the top tier of Australian football, the natives are getting restless.

The creation of the Association of Australian Football Clubs has no doubt spooked Football Federation Australia, but in truth it’s been a long time coming. First meeting in March, the AAFC now counts more than one hundred National Premier League clubs as members. They want a national second division – one that eventually boasts promotion and relegation between the top two tiers – and they want it sooner rather than later.

Can you blame them? When practically every other football-playing nation on the planet plays host to multiple leagues with promotion and relegation, is it any wonder the clubs locked out of the top tier of Australian football should be pushing for change? What is it that makes Australia so unique?

Well, for one thing, distance. Any national second division will need to not only solve the conundrum of not being overly reliant on clubs from Victoria and New South Wales, but also how to transport teams across one of the largest countries on earth.

Then there’s the thorny issue of funding. If it’s expensive to run National Premier League clubs now, how will that scenario improve in a fully professional second division? The A-League may have already attracted unprecedented levels of investment from subscription broadcaster Fox Sports, but will those broadcast riches trickle down to a second tier? And what happens to a club’s fanbase should they go down?

We may not have the answers at present, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t ask the questions. If a second division is going to happen one day, then the powers that be may as well start the dialogue.

Football Federation Australia, then, are arguably victims of their own making. The FFA Cup has been an unqualified success. It has helped bridge the divide between old soccer and new football, provided a platform for both traditional and upwardly mobile clubs to perform on a national stage, and proffered some much-needed content during the interminably long A-League off-season.

What it hasn’t done is quell the support for a second division. If the game’s governing body thought the FFA Cup would end the discussion around bringing some of Australia’s former heavyweight clubs back into the fold, they were mistaken. That conversation has only just begun.

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I disagree with the point that we shouldn't be over reliant on Vic & NSW.

We should.

Great idea

I want something outside of the box as the trophy/plate. Like a Thor hammer or He-man sword. Something that should be lifted with one hand. Perhaps a drinking goblet.




Giant Champagne flute




Made of silver of course.

/ thread

The FFA should be celebrating that they have the makings for pro/rel now. Why are they so scared? They should  be beating their chests and rubbing it in the noses of everyone that they can do something almost everyone else cant.

Easy sales pitch presenting itself on a platter

We put 10 teams on a pedestal. Football has the chance to have ca 30 over 2 divisions.

Just the chance to play in the A-League will get clubs known.

The FFA don't get it. They don't understand that the value or what drives football is promotion/relegation. Rather they are worried about what team will be relegated and think they will lose something with that happening. 

The leagues have to santioned div 1 and div 2 by the FFA.

If you haven't already I suggest reading about the NASL. They tried (trying) to challenge the MLS for the div 1 title but it's a rocky road. I beleiev they ditched things like the cap but they just don't have the money to compete and the clubs are pushing themselves to breaking point. But it's interesting

@rbb

That's because they can't create 20 new franchises. They want possession of ips.

That's why we end up with people like the guy in Brisbane. He and his club have sold out and rebranded to get in AL. They talk about history but give up their identity so FFA can own ip.

Brisbane City have not joined AAFC because FC Brisbane City are in. They don't support local football either.

Fk that guy. And fk his (soon to not be his own) club (anymore).

#FreeTheIP

Thanks man I have read up a lot about it and things have been coming to a head of late in the US as well.

P&R between Div 2 and 3 could and should start immediately. If teams in Div 2 become stronger than A League then good. The A-League needs 16 strong teams and this will save the FFA alot of work.
Where's the problem.
Also if a Div 2 team draws huge support they can also go up. Again solving our problem and making the A-League stronger.
Let's hope we get these problems because we need them.

FFA stated they would not help which was expected.

If they don't sanction the league I think clubs should create a rebel league. It would also make a mockery of the FFA Cup.

Looks like our mates at Brisbane City joined

QUEENSLAND 

With no P&R, hmmmmmm