I said this a while back and got shot down. I think the second division could overtake the first in popularity. 

No I guess some people will flick between the two but the Aleague "standing alone" might be a good thing for both competitions. 
Keeps the grubby "effnicks" away from the mainstream multi sport audience and the grass roots football crowd happy with aspiration football and a reason to continue.. win-win.

If the A-league decides not to allow pro/rel but the NSD has pro/rel with the state leagues, I think it will be the nail in the coffins for the A-league. People will be a lot more interested in a league where there's meaning to every game because clubs are fighting for survival. 

Hey LFC, how good were the scenes at Craven Cottage the other day? Can't wait for that to be a reality here soon :)

Leave the ISUZU leagues to the "cool kids"

bettega correct, what "invester" and partners would agree to being punted out of any business you originally paid a over inflated entry fee for one + additional ongoing costs right ?
OK maybe,maybe one day there might be some kind of rebate argeed years later but doubt it, I sure wouldn't stand for it in their shoes.

I'm afraid the ESL will come up once again in the future, Barca/RM and Juve are the stayers to date - surprised the crowd your not naming was one of the first pulling out at that time.
Strategic ? maybe so. I think Pep's influence may have had a hand just a smidge, once he's gone back to it I expect.
Same for my EPL crowd sadly.

I'll be all IN for the NSD, that comp, my 2 eldest boys comps and mine will be the local focus '23 onwards.
As long as LFC stays in the EPL I'm in.

Another post from you with the same old dross, give it a rest.

It will be interesting to get your reaction when P/R starts....and it will be here sooner than most people think.

There won't be P&R to the A-League.
All the signs are there for anyone looking hard enough.
We have adopted the MLS system, it's pretty much locked in, club owners and equity investors aren't going to move away from that model willingly.
Also, you have to look at the form of key players.
Who was involved in the closed shop super European league idea?
Who is likely to be looking favourably at this super Asian club comp?  What's the bet they will try and make that one a closed shop?
This influential club is now part of a closed league in Australia, the chances are nil that they will ever support opening up this league.
The arrangement absolutely suits them down to the ground.  They can pick up any good player in Australia for free.  They can move that player to any of their clubs anywhere in the world for free, if they strike it lucky, they can make enough on one talented player, enough to fund a few years of losses (in Australia).  They just need one player every three years.  Why would they want to ditch such an arrangement?
Also, who else has close links to this influential club which now owns one third of the APL?
Just sit back and look at it, the answer to all your questions is staring you in the face.

Nothing new, nice to see it in print media, we've been saying this on this forum for 12 years or more.

The need for a third division will become apparent when a NSD has been established, that need will be based on how many Clubs can grow.
For example if you have 30 clubs capable of being in a 16 team NSD, then its a no brainer to start a NTD.

According to AAFC report promotion/relegation from the start is the preference.
Why?
It provides incentive and ambition to the NPL not in the NSD Clubs to scale up.
It provides investors (members sponsors government) incentive to contribute more.

I would also suggest that P/R won't be automatic as the FA will be introducing a CLub Licencing system that will most likely in the short term limit the number of Clubs that can be promoted to the NSD. Hence the importance of scaling up, with the incentive to do so.

Just a great article from Joey Lynch in The Guardian about the lack of consequences for doing poorly in the a-league and just reading the amount of comments who fail to understand what the meaning of the article is, the insecurites but also lack of understanding of the idea of needing pro-rel is just shows the levels of mediocrity we have accepted in a very long time.
Just because they dont do it at the NRL or AFL it doesnt make it right we should accept this as well.

For all there talk I genuinely hope the powers at be have aspirations to bring it one day and not fall for the usual insecurities which we have accepted all of this time about it not needing it, after all we are part of a global game whom have accepted it and embraced the challenges of having it and doesnt mean good ol' Australia should not be apart of this conversation just we are 'unique'.

After all its about the football, which we all want it to be successful and need to do what you can to improve it.
Countries around the world whom have improved haven't cut corners like we have done in the last decade or so.

Go to page 11 for the planned structures.....
12 Clubs originally from 2023 - 2026 on to 16 Clubs and Womens NSD to start as well.
http://www.australianfootballclubs.org.au/uploads/9/8/8/1/9881717/aafc_nsd_final_report__22.02.22_.pdf

Third div may be a bridge too far tbh in terms of finances. What you could do however, is make it a requirement to be fully professional for promotion to the 2nd div. That way you would have pockets throughout the country of professional clubs and it may be a way to organically grow the lower division clubs. Once there are enough pro clubs you could then consider making a 3rd div. Bear in mind clubs relegated from Div 2 would already have these structures in place so the more time goes on the more clubs will get a taste. 

P/R should happen before the NSD is fully pro. Make being fully pro a requirement for promotion if needed, but not having P/R will only delay the clubs from professionalising, since they can't go up anyway.

I expect that the NSD will start with 12 clubs and expand to 16 over 3 or 4 years.  I also expect that there will be some clubs that try the NSD and find that for them it is not sustainable so they step aside to let others have the opportunity.

I also see the need for a third division but I thought I was brave in saying that it should happen within 10 years so your 2024 leaves me way behind  :)    I expect that the third division will come about when the NSD moves to fully professional and that is when P/R to the A-League should start.

The whole issue with the NSD is that it has to be transparent. There'll be a lot of noses out of joint because there will only be 12 or 16 teams out of a potential 90+ in the first season, and they'll probably want some guarantees about longevity of their role within the competition. So if a team is not selected, there's at least a couple of years gap before they can hop on board. It will get very messy, but hopefully people across the board can see the bigger picture.
I would actually like to see a third division nationally before there is promotion to the A League, and get the mechanisms correct in the tiers below first. If we can bed down NSD in 2023, there will be a number of teams interested, so even set up the third division to run in 2024.

It will be up to the FA if they "splash" the cash or not.
The AAFC proposal is fully funded by the Clubs.

What the FA will be providing is the administration and the networks to obtain sponsorship and media coverage.
SBS has already expressed its interest in telecasting the NSD, providing a National Broadcast opportunity for Club Sponsorship and Competition Sponsorship.

Its not so much about the money as the WILL to get this up. JJ has already committed to a NSD in 2023, failure to do so will be a failure of implementation, so a failure of leadership, a simple enough proposition.

Just words pal.... you can get hung up on what the game is called all you like. I couldn't give a shit what the media or the plastics call it... There's a round ball and the match goes for 90 mins...,,, everything else is semantics..... Plus it really annoys the "I loved football all my life but couldn't connect to the NSL because they where immigrants.... I love new football  now" crowd....,
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SXOWRZlSoiU
So what would you call the ISUZU TRUCKS and the MLS ...... open leagues?

The NSL had a lot of baggage, but the A-League is starting to develop its own. 

Stop calling it Soccer FFS. You talk about Australia and America and their exclusive closed leagues , saying soccer is on a par with these closed leagues as you call them.

what's   a   "nuevo  new  dawner "  ?

Oh Im self aware enough to appreciate that a dissenting opinion is not, despite your childish insults, "spamming". You certainly enjoyed a long period of time getting away with such aggressive anti "effnik sokkah" rhetoric yet are insulted by me disputing the New Dawn's (or are you all now nuevo new dawners, I cant keep up with the plastic jargon?) lies??? Why? Is my little robot spamming self responsible for the dwindling crowds or the dissolving tv audience for your plastic football as well? 
Grow up and defend your position if you can, its an online forum...
Lets see what logic you can use as to WHY a national second tier of soccer in this country will not benefit the whole of the sport.......

I generally ignore bots but here goes...

Mono, have you noticed that conversation tone and discourse level of this forum has plummeted, and a majority of the knowledgeable posters have left or rarely post, ever since you began mass spamming threads here? Are you self-aware enough to put that together or even care, I wonder.

It's a shame the Admins gave up on this place once it moved to Inside Sport, it was my favourite football community. Nowadays it's no different to TWGF when it was finally put down.

Spoken like a true AFL troll.

well its far more complicated than expressed but you know what I mean.....
Both leagues have had their highs and lows, depending which high matters is one question.
NSL's high is its development what fumes the AL lived off in part......
Qualifying in 06 thanks to the wog/aussie gens that he turned his back on.
His legacy is the structure of a slim closed Pro league (kudos on the sponserships but that ain't rocket science with his pull) and appeasing to the fair wethered general mass's who as we've seen just come and go.
Especially once the "incentive's" dried up (ADP etcetc) and allowed idiots/non football people run the asylum.......
Top end management BOTH leagues been failures as we all can see But as many have said elsewhere the game will live on due to its large grass roots participation numbers.
IF our top end fails sooner or later ce la vie, all the more to add to Lowys legacy and current owners.

NSD will be a breath of fresh air we so desparately need BUT these fuckers up there better run it well and keep their fingers on the pulse of all the Clubs participating making sure it transitions well and the same time act fast and direct when there's a speed hump for no doubt there will be...........

Isn't there a year when the APL owners have to open up their league from memory ?
This and only then can we finally open the P/R system.

So basically what you are saying is that both the NSL and the Aleague(s) are absolute basket case, shit, competitions run only by dodgy, money hungry, self aggrandising fuckers with no thought towards improving the status of the sport of soccer in this country? I agree 100%
Im sad the NSL died in some ways but understand why it did and why it HAD too but Ill be ecstatic when the ISUZU UTES franchise leagues die .....  hopefully that's sooner rather than later.

mind you big end of town doesn't need to beg to the Feds for support in the first place...........

"2003: Frank Lowy takes over as FFA chairman

As a revamped national body is launched, the Westfield boss is appointed as its founding chairman, taking the role after being asked by Prime Minister John Howard.

He went about hand-picking the inaugural board and began setting out to reform the game in Australia."

The NSL right or wrong was in a mess at the top end for it had always had infighting (whats new) and at the same time struggle being accepted by anyone out of the game added by having 99% of the media against the game.
It wouldn't have died thats for sure in saying the above, it would have stumbled along.
It sure would have ended up having another re set with or without Lowy.
I didn't mind Lowy coming into running the game originally, having grown up through the Hakoah days watching I thought he would have understood what our game had underneath and develop robust P/R comps for the overall better of the game and our NT's ongoing future.
Instead his main  agenda was about $$$$$$ and revenge on the old admins and fellow NSL Clubs that opposed him.
Like Packer (mid you he done well with Limited Over cricket for the game lacked a "show" it didn't take away from test cricket), when you got the bucks you have no care what the calateral damage is left behind, worse in our small market battling against 2 major codes..

Whats extraordinary is new dawners bringing up the failures of the NSL as a reason why we shouldnt have a true football pyramid.
Just to protect the investment of foreigners in Australian Soccer.

Local Club from Coffs (not even a rep squad) were one game away from the round of 32 in the FA cup last year. I have no doubt they'd be competitive in the NSD1 or NSD2.