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Because the A-League is going gangbusters.
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Look, in reality it is going backward to choose ethnic based clubs of the NSL to be in any 2nd division. It's too toxic. forget it and move forward people.
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+xIt should be said that the hal has made massive inroads into 'the mainstream'. As much as i think ffa is run by non football 2 faced car sslesman cretins,credit where credit is due that if you had lived through the nsl years it would have been hard to imagine some of the crowds we get now. They are though so cautious that the next big step feels like it will never happen Ah yes, crowds. The measure of everything Forget VAR, concessions, the all stars, a top 6 in a 10 team comp, inability to expand, lack of player positions, failure at the national level in age groups we have never failed at before, FTA ratings that are consistently lower than payTV ratings, ads during play, complete lack of FFA led advertising, rigged competitions, teams taking it in turns in winning titles, buying the richest club a player and scrapping funding for futsal in with the same pool of funds... The important thing is that crowds today are bigger than what they used to be We could have boosted crowds by simply using all the funds we had, buying an AFL / NRL team and calling it football The reform was about improving the quality and integrity of the game. Everything has gone backwards just for crowds which aren't much different to when the A League was little more than the NSL with a coat of paint (which was the consolidated effort of existing football fans). In other words we have lost everything for support we already had, plus a few casuals we won with world cup qualification and derbies
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Would be massive to see some of these clubs strut their stuff.
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+xIt should be said that the hal has made massive inroads into 'the mainstream'. As much as i think ffa is run by non football 2 faced car sslesman cretins,credit where credit is due that if you had lived through the nsl years it would have been hard to imagine some of the crowds we get now. They are though so cautious that the next big step feels like it will never happen The a league has been fantastic and the ttc appears to have made improvements 2nd division and academies down to u6 as well as more full time youth coaches are needed
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aussie scott21
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It should be said that the hal has made massive inroads into 'the mainstream'. As much as i think ffa is run by non football 2 faced car sslesman cretins,credit where credit is due that if you had lived through the nsl years it would have been hard to imagine some of the crowds we get now. They are though so cautious that the next big step feels like it will never happen
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Benjamin
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xAnd easily just as much negative exposure, dragging down the A-League, mainstream perception etc, etc.....................what does one think that will do? The game cops negativity all the time. Don't be a snowflake and cry. I'm sure matches like Sydney Croatia vs Bonnyrig White Eagles or SM Hellas vs Preston Macedonia will fix it! Living in the past... You're far more obsessed with ethnic identities than the clubs themselves. Last I heard the public was forbidden to attend a Hellas vs Macedonia match. A-League aspirants sure lol. There's been a few lockouts across the a league recently. Really? Tell us more of this unreleased news. Last year's Sydney vs WSW NPL game was played behind closed doors in order to avoid crowd trouble. Melbourne Victory were ordered to play their home game against South Melbourne behind closed doors after multiple Victory fans were found guilty of causing trouble at Lakeside. And for the record, the last time South played Preston, it wasn't behind closed doors - it was members only, and the game passed without incident despite having supporters of both clubs in attendance (and this was at South's suggestion - the kind of pro-active move that you would say traditional clubs would never make).
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It seems even the article in the SM Hellas blog places doubts on the AAFC propaganda...... AAFC also claim that they're confident about a broadcast deal, but some of the specifics they've released about how this will run has me very sceptical, especially because it seems that the form of cartel discipline that is being asked of potential second tier participants is dependent on a level of co-operative self-discipline that is quite alien to Australian soccer outside the A-League.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xAnd easily just as much negative exposure, dragging down the A-League, mainstream perception etc, etc.....................what does one think that will do? The game cops negativity all the time. Don't be a snowflake and cry. I'm sure matches like Sydney Croatia vs Bonnyrig White Eagles or SM Hellas vs Preston Macedonia will fix it! Living in the past... You're far more obsessed with ethnic identities than the clubs themselves. Last I heard the public was forbidden to attend a Hellas vs Macedonia match. A-League aspirants sure lol. There's been a few lockouts across the a league recently. Really? Tell us more of this unreleased news.
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+x+x+x+x+xAnd easily just as much negative exposure, dragging down the A-League, mainstream perception etc, etc.....................what does one think that will do? The game cops negativity all the time. Don't be a snowflake and cry. I'm sure matches like Sydney Croatia vs Bonnyrig White Eagles or SM Hellas vs Preston Macedonia will fix it! Living in the past... You're far more obsessed with ethnic identities than the clubs themselves. Last I heard the public was forbidden to attend a Hellas vs Macedonia match. A-League aspirants sure lol. There's been a few lockouts across the a league recently.
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paulc
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+x+x+x+xAnd easily just as much negative exposure, dragging down the A-League, mainstream perception etc, etc.....................what does one think that will do? The game cops negativity all the time. Don't be a snowflake and cry. I'm sure matches like Sydney Croatia vs Bonnyrig White Eagles or SM Hellas vs Preston Macedonia will fix it! Living in the past... You're far more obsessed with ethnic identities than the clubs themselves. Last I heard the public was forbidden to attend a Hellas vs Macedonia match. A-League aspirants sure lol.
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+x+x+xAnd easily just as much negative exposure, dragging down the A-League, mainstream perception etc, etc.....................what does one think that will do? The game cops negativity all the time. Don't be a snowflake and cry. This. If there's one thing I've realised over the HAL's existence to date, it's that it will NEVER be good enough for the 'mainstream Australia' that Gallop/Lowy and ol' mate PaulC/Enzo are so hellbent on sucking up to...because it's still and will always just be 'sokkah' to them:exclamation: If the HAL were to be completely whitewashed tomorrow - not a single non-'skip' player, coach, fan, administrator etc...guess what, 3AW/Herald Sun/Ch7's views of the game wouldn't improve one jot. Even when people call it soccer the collective outrage is embarrassing.
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+x+x+xAnd easily just as much negative exposure, dragging down the A-League, mainstream perception etc, etc.....................what does one think that will do? The game cops negativity all the time. Don't be a snowflake and cry. I'm sure matches like Sydney Croatia vs Bonnyrig White Eagles or SM Hellas vs Preston Macedonia will fix it! You're a pasty white boy, deal with it.
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+x+xAnd easily just as much negative exposure, dragging down the A-League, mainstream perception etc, etc.....................what does one think that will do? The game cops negativity all the time. Don't be a snowflake and cry. This. If there's one thing I've realised over the HAL's existence to date, it's that it will NEVER be good enough for the 'mainstream Australia' that Gallop/Lowy and ol' mate PaulC/Enzo are so hellbent on sucking up to...because it's still and will always just be 'sokkah' to them:exclamation: If the HAL were to be completely whitewashed tomorrow - not a single non-'skip' player, coach, fan, administrator etc...guess what, 3AW/Herald Sun/Ch7's views of the game wouldn't improve one jot.
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Benjamin
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+x+x+xAnd easily just as much negative exposure, dragging down the A-League, mainstream perception etc, etc.....................what does one think that will do? The game cops negativity all the time. Don't be a snowflake and cry. I'm sure matches like Sydney Croatia vs Bonnyrig White Eagles or SM Hellas vs Preston Macedonia will fix it! Living in the past... You're far more obsessed with ethnic identities than the clubs themselves.
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+x+xAnd easily just as much negative exposure, dragging down the A-League, mainstream perception etc, etc.....................what does one think that will do? The game cops negativity all the time. Don't be a snowflake and cry. I'm sure matches like Sydney Croatia vs Bonnyrig White Eagles or SM Hellas vs Preston Macedonia will fix it!
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+xAnd easily just as much negative exposure, dragging down the A-League, mainstream perception etc, etc.....................what does one think that will do? The game cops negativity all the time. Don't be a snowflake and cry.
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And easily just as much negative exposure is possible, dragging down the A-League in the mix, sucking up funds, damaging mainstream perception etc, etc.....................what does one think that will do?
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Benjamin
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBenjamin, Why don't you try actually reading what I write. I'm supportive of pro/rel. I'm just not supportive of the sweatshop put forward by the self interested no talent hacks of the AAFC. A second division must be fully professional from day 1, otherwise it's pointless. The AAFC is not about improving football, they're in it only for themselves. I read it - you appear to fail to see the overall benefits to the game provided by giving clubs at a lower level an incentive to improve. All those non-league sides were semi-professional at the time - only becoming professional and improving facilities due to the opportunity provided to them. You keep talking about sweatshops and self-interest, I don't get either comment. It's opportunity where it hasn't previously existed, and it's a love of football rather than self interest. Self interest is a small group saying "let's do this for us and no one else", what the AAFC have said is "let's do this and let an independent body decide who should be in it". Which is exactly what the clubs and some players are doing. How many fans do you know saying: "Wow, if South and the two Croatia's are back, we're all gonna pack out the grounds. THIS is what we want". Or sponsors saying "Wow, with South and the two Croatia's back, that's a huge market we can target for our wares" None of the clubs or the players are in it to grow the game, they're in in it because thy sense there's dollars in it for them personally. I know plenty of fans - the vast majority infact - plus sponsors, media, etc., who are BEGGING for more teams, increased competition/diversity, something different in a game which is stagnating badly... More teams and increased competition is exactly what this is offering and THIS is what they want. The clubs and players can only possibly make dollars if the game grows - one causes the other. Unless you think that all of this is about a one year deal... In which case why panic as the clubs themselves have said they don't want promotion/relegation on the table for 5 years... What are you so scared of? What sponsors and media that are begging?????? Name them or you lie! Is it your contention that the sponsors and media DON'T want more teams, increased competition/diversity? That they would prefer a competition with decreasing interest and continued stagnation..? What a strange world you live in. You've been asked several times to name said sponsors. Here's your chance to take centre stage and shine. Over to you. WTF. The situation would be totally different and the economic repercussions would be adversely affected. Thats his angle. He knows certain things are still being kept under wraps, so he'll call Benjamin and Arthur out on details that I'm assuming can't be released yet or are still only handshake agreements. All in due course Enzo. Semi-correct with regard to individuals - but ultimately it's all the sponsors - it would be easy to name names - just list every sponsor involved in the game... I'm sure Enzo will argue that they are all happy with the current market, and there's no reason any of them would want greater exposure - and I'm sure he'll argue that greater exposure doesn't come from increased interest in the game - and that promotion/relegation doesn't do anything to produce more interest - more excitement, more stories for the media, more variety, bigger footprint, etc.
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+x+x+x2 Arthur, So once again, you have nothing. Yeah Arthur, when will you realise that FIFA + AFC + FFV + FNSW + A-League Franchise Owners Association = nothing.Or accept that just because it's to the benefit of players, coaches, referees, administrators, football culture, geographic footprint and football infrastructure it's not good for the game... Hey bro, remember that time you became a mod... Relevant because..? I'm not here to sit on the fence, and I'm not here to ban people for being annoying. I'll delete the spam and move a few threads to correct forums... Other than that unless someone is being aggressive or outright insulting, anything goes.
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+xI think its fked that no New Zealand team wont be invited to join, So selfish and a lot of self interest from the people involved. Stick your A2 up your arse, hope it fails.  This is really imo uneducated view. Oceania nations will be eligable to take a visa spot. Some in the mens I guess but there is a big opportunity for NZ women there. To put themselves on a platform for W-League and potentially US, Euro clubs. I think the womens Championship would have many more NZ players than the mens Visa allocation doesnt have to be taken though.
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bigpoppa
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+xI think its fked that no New Zealand team wont be invited to join, So selfish and a lot of self interest from the people involved. Stick your A2 up your arse, hope it fails. 
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Well doesnt nz have its own league below the a league already? Also why do you assume that oz will always be happy to subsidize nz football? Talk about selfish self interest
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I think its fked that no New Zealand team wont be invited to join, So selfish and a lot of self interest from the people involved. Stick your A2 up your arse, hope it fails.
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+x+xPro/Rel will eventually happen after a 2nd division is established and proven that it is sustainable. I'm more worried about getting the 2nd Division off the ground in the first place. A successful, well promoted 2nd division can grow new fans in the same way that the A-League did. Especially in areas that have been burnt by the FFA in the past like Canberra, Woolongong, Gold Coast etc. An A2 needs to be more than the NPL; more money, more fans, more professional in all aspects including admin and promotion otherwise it'll just be a vanity project for those clubs. It needs to bring something extra otherwise it'll just bring the same fans that come to npl games today, which isn't going to grow the game. Some will say making new clubs for the A2 is 'plastic' but all clubs start from somewhere. the big fight will be for pro/rel and the A-league franchise owners will fight that like all hell.... not sure how that will happen considering the FFA is against it, the clubs are against it... GCU 2.0 have stated their interest in it. https://soundcloud.com/fnr_footballnationradio/fnr_football-clubland-1-november-2017It seems more than likely Wolves will not get an A-League license so they would likely apply. Canberra seems like a more difficult place, is someone willing to back a current club or form a new one? Seems unlikely before the application time but there may be things going on behind the scenes. I doubt it though and they/whoever may look to join once the Championship is up and running as an expansion team to that. The article with the Canberra Olympic coach pretty much said a current NPL would struggle.. I wonder if, also pending on what happen with the A-League clubs/FFA, Canberra United could get their ip released and enter a side if Canberra would get behind it. They already have Y-League side this year and the Canberra United Academy teams play an age up in every age group except the Senior Mens. Their 17s actually won the u20s by the looks of it aswell.
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+xPro/Rel will eventually happen after a 2nd division is established and proven that it is sustainable. I'm more worried about getting the 2nd Division off the ground in the first place. A successful, well promoted 2nd division can grow new fans in the same way that the A-League did. Especially in areas that have been burnt by the FFA in the past like Canberra, Woolongong, Gold Coast etc. An A2 needs to be more than the NPL; more money, more fans, more professional in all aspects including admin and promotion otherwise it'll just be a vanity project for those clubs. It needs to bring something extra otherwise it'll just bring the same fans that come to npl games today, which isn't going to grow the game. Some will say making new clubs for the A2 is 'plastic' but all clubs start from somewhere. the big fight will be for pro/rel and the A-league franchise owners will fight that like all hell.... not sure how that will happen considering the FFA is against it, the clubs are against it... GCU 2.0 have stated their interest in it. https://soundcloud.com/fnr_footballnationradio/fnr_football-clubland-1-november-2017It seems more than likely Wolves will not get an A-League license so they would likely apply. Canberra seems like a more difficult place, is someone willing to back a current club or form a new one? Seems unlikely before the application time but there may be things going on behind the scenes. I doubt it though and they/whoever may look to join once the Championship is up and running as an expansion team to that.
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Pro/Rel will eventually happen after a 2nd division is established and proven that it is sustainable. I'm more worried about getting the 2nd Division off the ground in the first place. A successful, well promoted 2nd division can grow new fans in the same way that the A-League did. Especially in areas that have been burnt by the FFA in the past like Canberra, Woolongong, Gold Coast etc.
An A2 needs to be more than the NPL; more money, more fans, more professional in all aspects including admin and promotion otherwise it'll just be a vanity project for those clubs. It needs to bring something extra otherwise it'll just bring the same fans that come to npl games today, which isn't going to grow the game. Some will say making new clubs for the A2 is 'plastic' but all clubs start from somewhere.
the big fight will be for pro/rel and the A-league franchise owners will fight that like all hell.... not sure how that will happen considering the FFA is against it, the clubs are against it...
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+x@scottIf Green Gully join there's another lions crest. Yeah well it certainly wont be Preston.
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