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Benjamin
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+x2 Arthur, So once again, you have nothing. Yeah Arthur, when will you realise that FIFA + AFC + FFV + FNSW + A-League Franchise Owners Association = nothing.Or accept that just because it's to the benefit of players, coaches, referees, administrators, football culture, geographic footprint and football infrastructure it's not good for the game...
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+x+x2 Arthur, So once again, you have nothing. Yeah Arthur, when will you realise that FIFA + AFC + FFV + FNSW + A-League Franchise Owners Association = nothing.Or accept that just because it's to the benefit of players, coaches, referees, administrators, football culture, geographic footprint and football infrastructure it's not good for the game... Hey bro, remember that time you became a mod...
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Arthur
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+x+x2 Arthur, So once again, you have nothing. Yeah Arthur, when will you realise that FIFA + AFC + FFV + FNSW + A-League Franchise Owners Association = nothing.Or accept that just because it's to the benefit of players, coaches, referees, administrators, football culture, geographic footprint and football infrastructure it's not good for the game... I'm sorry Ben I'm only thinking of my own selfish desires.
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Enzo Bearzot
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+x+x2 Arthur, So once again, you have nothing. Yeah Arthur, when will you realise that FIFA + AFC + FFV + FNSW + A-League Franchise Owners Association = nothing.Or accept that just because it's to the benefit of players, coaches, referees, administrators, football culture, geographic footprint and football infrastructure it's not good for the game... I was wrong. It was 5 people wanting to tear the chicken up. I said it was six.
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Enzo Bearzot
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+x+x+x+x+x+xBenjamin, Why don't you try actually reading what I write. I'm supportive of pro/rel. I'm just not supportive of the sweatshop put forward by the self interested no talent hacks of the AAFC. A second division must be fully professional from day 1, otherwise it's pointless. The AAFC is not about improving football, they're in it only for themselves. I read it - you appear to fail to see the overall benefits to the game provided by giving clubs at a lower level an incentive to improve. All those non-league sides were semi-professional at the time - only becoming professional and improving facilities due to the opportunity provided to them. You keep talking about sweatshops and self-interest, I don't get either comment. It's opportunity where it hasn't previously existed, and it's a love of football rather than self interest. Self interest is a small group saying "let's do this for us and no one else", what the AAFC have said is "let's do this and let an independent body decide who should be in it". Which is exactly what the clubs and some players are doing. How many fans do you know saying: "Wow, if South and the two Croatia's are back, we're all gonna pack out the grounds. THIS is what we want". Or sponsors saying "Wow, with South and the two Croatia's back, that's a huge market we can target for our wares" None of the clubs or the players are in it to grow the game, they're in in it because thy sense there's dollars in it for them personally. I know plenty of fans - the vast majority infact - plus sponsors, media, etc., who are BEGGING for more teams, increased competition/diversity, something different in a game which is stagnating badly... More teams and increased competition is exactly what this is offering and THIS is what they want. The clubs and players can only possibly make dollars if the game grows - one causes the other. Unless you think that all of this is about a one year deal... In which case why panic as the clubs themselves have said they don't want promotion/relegation on the table for 5 years... What are you so scared of? What sponsors and media that are begging?????? Name them or you lie! Is it your contention that the sponsors and media DON'T want more teams, increased competition/diversity? That they would prefer a competition with decreasing interest and continued stagnation..? What a strange world you live in. You've been asked several times to name said sponsors. Here's your chance to take centre stage and shine. Over to you.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBenjamin, Why don't you try actually reading what I write. I'm supportive of pro/rel. I'm just not supportive of the sweatshop put forward by the self interested no talent hacks of the AAFC. A second division must be fully professional from day 1, otherwise it's pointless. The AAFC is not about improving football, they're in it only for themselves. I read it - you appear to fail to see the overall benefits to the game provided by giving clubs at a lower level an incentive to improve. All those non-league sides were semi-professional at the time - only becoming professional and improving facilities due to the opportunity provided to them. You keep talking about sweatshops and self-interest, I don't get either comment. It's opportunity where it hasn't previously existed, and it's a love of football rather than self interest. Self interest is a small group saying "let's do this for us and no one else", what the AAFC have said is "let's do this and let an independent body decide who should be in it". Which is exactly what the clubs and some players are doing. How many fans do you know saying: "Wow, if South and the two Croatia's are back, we're all gonna pack out the grounds. THIS is what we want". Or sponsors saying "Wow, with South and the two Croatia's back, that's a huge market we can target for our wares" None of the clubs or the players are in it to grow the game, they're in in it because thy sense there's dollars in it for them personally. I know plenty of fans - the vast majority infact - plus sponsors, media, etc., who are BEGGING for more teams, increased competition/diversity, something different in a game which is stagnating badly... More teams and increased competition is exactly what this is offering and THIS is what they want. The clubs and players can only possibly make dollars if the game grows - one causes the other. Unless you think that all of this is about a one year deal... In which case why panic as the clubs themselves have said they don't want promotion/relegation on the table for 5 years... What are you so scared of? What sponsors and media that are begging?????? Name them or you lie! Is it your contention that the sponsors and media DON'T want more teams, increased competition/diversity? That they would prefer a competition with decreasing interest and continued stagnation..? What a strange world you live in. You've been asked several times to name said sponsors. Here's your chance to take centre stage and shine. Over to you. WTF. The situation would be totally different and the economic repercussions would be adversely affected.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBenjamin, Why don't you try actually reading what I write. I'm supportive of pro/rel. I'm just not supportive of the sweatshop put forward by the self interested no talent hacks of the AAFC. A second division must be fully professional from day 1, otherwise it's pointless. The AAFC is not about improving football, they're in it only for themselves. I read it - you appear to fail to see the overall benefits to the game provided by giving clubs at a lower level an incentive to improve. All those non-league sides were semi-professional at the time - only becoming professional and improving facilities due to the opportunity provided to them. You keep talking about sweatshops and self-interest, I don't get either comment. It's opportunity where it hasn't previously existed, and it's a love of football rather than self interest. Self interest is a small group saying "let's do this for us and no one else", what the AAFC have said is "let's do this and let an independent body decide who should be in it". Which is exactly what the clubs and some players are doing. How many fans do you know saying: "Wow, if South and the two Croatia's are back, we're all gonna pack out the grounds. THIS is what we want". Or sponsors saying "Wow, with South and the two Croatia's back, that's a huge market we can target for our wares" None of the clubs or the players are in it to grow the game, they're in in it because thy sense there's dollars in it for them personally. I know plenty of fans - the vast majority infact - plus sponsors, media, etc., who are BEGGING for more teams, increased competition/diversity, something different in a game which is stagnating badly... More teams and increased competition is exactly what this is offering and THIS is what they want. The clubs and players can only possibly make dollars if the game grows - one causes the other. Unless you think that all of this is about a one year deal... In which case why panic as the clubs themselves have said they don't want promotion/relegation on the table for 5 years... What are you so scared of? What sponsors and media that are begging?????? Name them or you lie! Is it your contention that the sponsors and media DON'T want more teams, increased competition/diversity? That they would prefer a competition with decreasing interest and continued stagnation..? What a strange world you live in. You've been asked several times to name said sponsors. Here's your chance to take centre stage and shine. Over to you. WTF. The situation would be totally different and the economic repercussions would be adversely affected. Thats his angle. He knows certain things are still being kept under wraps, so he'll call Benjamin and Arthur out on details that I'm assuming can't be released yet or are still only handshake agreements. All in due course Enzo.
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No offense Enzo but you're a defeatist pr1ck. Hot tip: Fuck off back to AFL/NRL, because no genuine football person would be on whatever sh1t it is you've been peddling throughout. 'Ta :exclamation:
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+xNo offense Enzo but you're a defeatist pr1ck. Hot tip: Fuck off back to AFL/NRL, because no genuine football person would be on whatever sh1t it is you've been peddling throughout. 'Ta :exclamation: Yeah, we need to just give the game exposure on commercial FTA , and the we'll assume our rightful place in Australian sport. oops, well no,no what we mean is that we need a second division with P and R and the clubs running the league and THEN we'll assume our rightful place in Australian sport. Any. Day. Now.
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+x+xNo offense Enzo but you're a defeatist pr1ck. Hot tip: Fuck off back to AFL/NRL, because no genuine football person would be on whatever sh1t it is you've been peddling throughout. 'Ta :exclamation: Yeah, we need to just give the game exposure on commercial FTA , and the we'll assume our rightful place in Australian sport. oops, well no,no what we mean is that we need a second division with P and R and the clubs running the league and THEN we'll assume our rightful place in Australian sport. Any. Day. Now. Its funny you put the two as ideas from the same people The AFL / NRL muppets said the first (ie- the FFA still believe the ratings issue is people unable to find the channel) The football fans who you are arguing against said the second (ie- we need a sensible structure) Just because they were wrong, it doesn't mean we are wrong The status quo, which you are defending, gave birth to the first idea - which you have just rubbished. As I said above, you are very quick to defeat your own viewpoints
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+x+xNo offense Enzo but you're a defeatist pr1ck. Hot tip: Fuck off back to AFL/NRL, because no genuine football person would be on whatever sh1t it is you've been peddling throughout. 'Ta :exclamation: Yeah, we need to just give the game exposure on commercial FTA , and the we'll assume our rightful place in Australian sport. oops, well no,no what we mean is that we need a second division with P and R and the clubs running the league and THEN we'll assume our rightful place in Australian sport. Any. Day. Now. No one on here's ever said that, and you know it. Like I said, sod off back to the eggball codes if closed-shop, salary-capped metric sideshows are your cup of tea. As bad as the Lowys and Gallop are, at least I thank fuck you're not in their place - long may that continue.
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People need to be reminded of the title of this thread.
The second division is happening. Those who appose it would be better to start spending their time on why it shouldnt get eventual promotion than that it shouldnt actually happen.
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+x+x+xYep I have no issues with that. I liked the idea for SWS of red and green with a Waratah flower in the badge similar to Blackburn Rovers.It's good to have business people in the game like that. People underestimate the potential there is. In Tassies example, South Hobart always gets mentioned and understandably so, but looking at Hobart Olympia there president is George Mamacas who is a professional poker player and his good mate and fellow professional gambler is David Walsh, who also owns MONA amongst other thinks. MONA had the shirt sponsor for Olympia in the FFA Cup. One would assume they would already have enough financial backing to play in the Championship. It's exciting times ahead.  It looks horrible but you get the idea what it could look like. I just put a green and red filter over it. I would like a concept like "Green Lions" as a appose to just Lions. Blue Lions are a German hockey team. RG-colourblind fan's worst nightmare. 
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With a yawn, A-League promotion-relegation saga drags onAlmost five years ago, the story ran in the Mercury about A-League promotion and relegation. So forgive us the eye roll and yawn when the ongoing discussion has reached a crucial stage this week, as the near open-warfare about the future of the game continues. The league wants to protect its financial war-chest, the existing clubs are determined to keep their footing in the game without the trapdoor of an end-of-season relegation. Meanwhile, National Premier League clubs and other hopefuls like Football South Coast use the pressure from the Asian Football Confederation about the issue as a crow bar for future entry into the top-tier. And so the blueprint for the Championship – clearly taken from English football and given the name Australia Premier League is owned by lawn bowls – sits in a drawer at FFA headquarters, growing as old as the lack of vision to implement it. There are valid arguments about how it is funded, but more so validated by self-interest. It also acts a deflection tool around expansion, the prospect of talking about considering two-tiers acting like a non-binding Federal Government postal survey in terms of bureaucratic distraction. ‘‘It’s a possibility down the track, but we don’t have any specific timeline,’’ FFA chief executive David Gallop said in 2013. Luckily for the FFA, the Socceroos precarious path to the World Cup and the ongoing saga about coach Ange Postecoglou have made fans look elsewhere. Plenty of football types laughed at this columnist after writing a promotion-relegation story in February 2013, before the introduction of the the FFA Cup.
It’s a joke right? How would it even work, the National Premier League clubs play in winter? To be fair it’s never properly been addressed, other than to suggest staggering a delayed season schedule over a handful of years to bring the NPL into line with the A-League. About 18 months ago, those chasing a golden ticket to an expanded A-League were working feverishly behind the scenes, believing it could be imminent. Now even they’ve grown jaded with all the waiting and hoping.
With a yawn, A-League promotion-relegation saga drags on | Illawarra Mercury
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aussie scott21
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+x+x+xYep I have no issues with that. I liked the idea for SWS of red and green with a Waratah flower in the badge similar to Blackburn Rovers.It's good to have business people in the game like that. People underestimate the potential there is. In Tassies example, South Hobart always gets mentioned and understandably so, but looking at Hobart Olympia there president is George Mamacas who is a professional poker player and his good mate and fellow professional gambler is David Walsh, who also owns MONA amongst other thinks. MONA had the shirt sponsor for Olympia in the FFA Cup. One would assume they would already have enough financial backing to play in the Championship. It's exciting times ahead. It looks horrible but you get the idea what it could look like. I just put a green and red filter over it. I would like a concept like "Green Lions" as a appose to just Lions. Blue Lions are a German hockey team. Tassie are going to be the Lions aswell though :D We only need two more with Roar and we can form a Voltron. One of the many concepts we will be posting
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+x+xNo offense Enzo but you're a defeatist pr1ck. Hot tip: Fuck off back to AFL/NRL, because no genuine football person would be on whatever sh1t it is you've been peddling throughout. 'Ta :exclamation: Yeah, we need to just give the game exposure on commercial FTA , and the we'll assume our rightful place in Australian sport. oops, well no,no what we mean is that we need a second division with P and R and the clubs running the league and THEN we'll assume our rightful place in Australian sport. Any. Day. Now. So far we've got worse ratings than we did on SBS mate
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xBenjamin, Why don't you try actually reading what I write. I'm supportive of pro/rel. I'm just not supportive of the sweatshop put forward by the self interested no talent hacks of the AAFC. A second division must be fully professional from day 1, otherwise it's pointless. The AAFC is not about improving football, they're in it only for themselves. I read it - you appear to fail to see the overall benefits to the game provided by giving clubs at a lower level an incentive to improve. All those non-league sides were semi-professional at the time - only becoming professional and improving facilities due to the opportunity provided to them. You keep talking about sweatshops and self-interest, I don't get either comment. It's opportunity where it hasn't previously existed, and it's a love of football rather than self interest. Self interest is a small group saying "let's do this for us and no one else", what the AAFC have said is "let's do this and let an independent body decide who should be in it". Which is exactly what the clubs and some players are doing. How many fans do you know saying: "Wow, if South and the two Croatia's are back, we're all gonna pack out the grounds. THIS is what we want". Or sponsors saying "Wow, with South and the two Croatia's back, that's a huge market we can target for our wares" None of the clubs or the players are in it to grow the game, they're in in it because thy sense there's dollars in it for them personally. I know plenty of fans - the vast majority infact - plus sponsors, media, etc., who are BEGGING for more teams, increased competition/diversity, something different in a game which is stagnating badly... More teams and increased competition is exactly what this is offering and THIS is what they want. The clubs and players can only possibly make dollars if the game grows - one causes the other. Unless you think that all of this is about a one year deal... In which case why panic as the clubs themselves have said they don't want promotion/relegation on the table for 5 years... What are you so scared of? That you and your ilk will destroy the only truly pro league this country has ever had, like 6 people pulling a chicken in 6 directions. Your club and clubs like yours gather their strength not from sharing a common vision with other clubs, but precisely because they do not. That's why there is so many of them with their own little fiefdoms and agendas, and forever content to retain their "identity" in front of a few hundred paying fans-maybe- and the odd small time Real Estate Agency or plumber sponsor boards. The A-league grew from nothing to a a $346 million dollar TV deal, and now you want a piece of that pie. The A-League franchise owners are screaming louder than anyone for the piece of the pie! The A-league franchise owners are the ones wanting Lowy and Gallop out! In case people have forgotten AAFC proposal once again provides for the development of; Players Coaches Referees Administrators Football Culture Geographic Footprint Football Infrastructure In case people have forgotten AAFC proposal has the support of; FIFA AFC FFV FNSW A-League Franchise Owners Association Rant and Rave all you like odds are its going to happen, those odds are greater if FIFA comes in. *sigh* How many times do I have to do this? Seriously. Not ONE of those "stakeholders" is a fan or sponsor or a broadcaster willing to pay. Without fans and sponsors and paying broadcasters, everyone is just tryng to tear up the same chicken in different ways. No-one is bringing another chicken. FACE IT: Football is what it is, not what you or "they" want it to be. Show me the money! How many times do you have to be told that there is already heaps of money being thrown around in the NPLs. You need to spend less time arguing and more time trying to understand what you're arguing against. I'm not trying to be mean but you're making yourself look like a fool.
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+xWith a yawn, A-League promotion-relegation saga drags onAlmost five years ago, the story ran in the Mercury about A-League promotion and relegation. So forgive us the eye roll and yawn when the ongoing discussion has reached a crucial stage this week, as the near open-warfare about the future of the game continues. The league wants to protect its financial war-chest, the existing clubs are determined to keep their footing in the game without the trapdoor of an end-of-season relegation. Meanwhile, National Premier League clubs and other hopefuls like Football South Coast use the pressure from the Asian Football Confederation about the issue as a crow bar for future entry into the top-tier. And so the blueprint for the Championship – clearly taken from English football and given the name Australia Premier League is owned by lawn bowls – sits in a drawer at FFA headquarters, growing as old as the lack of vision to implement it. There are valid arguments about how it is funded, but more so validated by self-interest. It also acts a deflection tool around expansion, the prospect of talking about considering two-tiers acting like a non-binding Federal Government postal survey in terms of bureaucratic distraction. ‘‘It’s a possibility down the track, but we don’t have any specific timeline,’’ FFA chief executive David Gallop said in 2013. Luckily for the FFA, the Socceroos precarious path to the World Cup and the ongoing saga about coach Ange Postecoglou have made fans look elsewhere. Plenty of football types laughed at this columnist after writing a promotion-relegation story in February 2013, before the introduction of the the FFA Cup.
It’s a joke right? How would it even work, the National Premier League clubs play in winter? To be fair it’s never properly been addressed, other than to suggest staggering a delayed season schedule over a handful of years to bring the NPL into line with the A-League. About 18 months ago, those chasing a golden ticket to an expanded A-League were working feverishly behind the scenes, believing it could be imminent. Now even they’ve grown jaded with all the waiting and hoping.
With a yawn, A-League promotion-relegation saga drags on | Illawarra Mercury Good on him. I think his was the first to make me look at the bigger picture and see that pro rel was more than likely very probable. Here we are now.
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If Green Gully join there's another lions crest.
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+x@scottIf Green Gully join there's another lions crest. Yeah well it certainly wont be Preston.
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Pro/Rel will eventually happen after a 2nd division is established and proven that it is sustainable. I'm more worried about getting the 2nd Division off the ground in the first place. A successful, well promoted 2nd division can grow new fans in the same way that the A-League did. Especially in areas that have been burnt by the FFA in the past like Canberra, Woolongong, Gold Coast etc.
An A2 needs to be more than the NPL; more money, more fans, more professional in all aspects including admin and promotion otherwise it'll just be a vanity project for those clubs. It needs to bring something extra otherwise it'll just bring the same fans that come to npl games today, which isn't going to grow the game. Some will say making new clubs for the A2 is 'plastic' but all clubs start from somewhere.
the big fight will be for pro/rel and the A-league franchise owners will fight that like all hell.... not sure how that will happen considering the FFA is against it, the clubs are against it...
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+xPro/Rel will eventually happen after a 2nd division is established and proven that it is sustainable. I'm more worried about getting the 2nd Division off the ground in the first place. A successful, well promoted 2nd division can grow new fans in the same way that the A-League did. Especially in areas that have been burnt by the FFA in the past like Canberra, Woolongong, Gold Coast etc. An A2 needs to be more than the NPL; more money, more fans, more professional in all aspects including admin and promotion otherwise it'll just be a vanity project for those clubs. It needs to bring something extra otherwise it'll just bring the same fans that come to npl games today, which isn't going to grow the game. Some will say making new clubs for the A2 is 'plastic' but all clubs start from somewhere. the big fight will be for pro/rel and the A-league franchise owners will fight that like all hell.... not sure how that will happen considering the FFA is against it, the clubs are against it... GCU 2.0 have stated their interest in it. https://soundcloud.com/fnr_footballnationradio/fnr_football-clubland-1-november-2017It seems more than likely Wolves will not get an A-League license so they would likely apply. Canberra seems like a more difficult place, is someone willing to back a current club or form a new one? Seems unlikely before the application time but there may be things going on behind the scenes. I doubt it though and they/whoever may look to join once the Championship is up and running as an expansion team to that.
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+x+xPro/Rel will eventually happen after a 2nd division is established and proven that it is sustainable. I'm more worried about getting the 2nd Division off the ground in the first place. A successful, well promoted 2nd division can grow new fans in the same way that the A-League did. Especially in areas that have been burnt by the FFA in the past like Canberra, Woolongong, Gold Coast etc. An A2 needs to be more than the NPL; more money, more fans, more professional in all aspects including admin and promotion otherwise it'll just be a vanity project for those clubs. It needs to bring something extra otherwise it'll just bring the same fans that come to npl games today, which isn't going to grow the game. Some will say making new clubs for the A2 is 'plastic' but all clubs start from somewhere. the big fight will be for pro/rel and the A-league franchise owners will fight that like all hell.... not sure how that will happen considering the FFA is against it, the clubs are against it... GCU 2.0 have stated their interest in it. https://soundcloud.com/fnr_footballnationradio/fnr_football-clubland-1-november-2017It seems more than likely Wolves will not get an A-League license so they would likely apply. Canberra seems like a more difficult place, is someone willing to back a current club or form a new one? Seems unlikely before the application time but there may be things going on behind the scenes. I doubt it though and they/whoever may look to join once the Championship is up and running as an expansion team to that. The article with the Canberra Olympic coach pretty much said a current NPL would struggle.. I wonder if, also pending on what happen with the A-League clubs/FFA, Canberra United could get their ip released and enter a side if Canberra would get behind it. They already have Y-League side this year and the Canberra United Academy teams play an age up in every age group except the Senior Mens. Their 17s actually won the u20s by the looks of it aswell.
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I think its fked that no New Zealand team wont be invited to join, So selfish and a lot of self interest from the people involved. Stick your A2 up your arse, hope it fails.
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Well doesnt nz have its own league below the a league already? Also why do you assume that oz will always be happy to subsidize nz football? Talk about selfish self interest
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+xI think its fked that no New Zealand team wont be invited to join, So selfish and a lot of self interest from the people involved. Stick your A2 up your arse, hope it fails. 
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+xI think its fked that no New Zealand team wont be invited to join, So selfish and a lot of self interest from the people involved. Stick your A2 up your arse, hope it fails.  This is really imo uneducated view. Oceania nations will be eligable to take a visa spot. Some in the mens I guess but there is a big opportunity for NZ women there. To put themselves on a platform for W-League and potentially US, Euro clubs. I think the womens Championship would have many more NZ players than the mens Visa allocation doesnt have to be taken though.
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+x+x+x2 Arthur, So once again, you have nothing. Yeah Arthur, when will you realise that FIFA + AFC + FFV + FNSW + A-League Franchise Owners Association = nothing.Or accept that just because it's to the benefit of players, coaches, referees, administrators, football culture, geographic footprint and football infrastructure it's not good for the game... Hey bro, remember that time you became a mod... Relevant because..? I'm not here to sit on the fence, and I'm not here to ban people for being annoying. I'll delete the spam and move a few threads to correct forums... Other than that unless someone is being aggressive or outright insulting, anything goes.
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