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jasongenova - 21 Aug 2019 2:01 PM
Footballismyreligion - 21 Aug 2019 1:47 PM

Iredale is playing league 2, what does that say about his quality? 

He has come from the scottish championship, which isnt actually the greatest. 

You dont think Elder would be starting if he was at a League 2 club?? 

Id rather have someone like Zullo instead of Iredale

I'd rather pretty much any HAL fullback over a League Two player who was most recently playing in the Scottish Championship.
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Footballismyreligion - 21 Aug 2019 1:47 PM
jasongenova - 21 Aug 2019 1:27 PM
The seasons are only just kicking off so two competition games in league 2 is about as regular and as good as it gets. There is virtually no Australian left fullbacks playing consistently at the moment.

 I rate Elder but he has just changed clubs, he is not playing and needs to be given time to settle in so he can try and win the left fullback position at Hull . At the moment I would select Gersbach before Elder. 

Iredale is playing league 2, what does that say about his quality? 

He has come from the scottish championship, which isnt actually the greatest. 

You dont think Elder would be starting if he was at a League 2 club?? 

Id rather have someone like Zullo instead of Iredale
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jasongenova - 21 Aug 2019 1:27 PM
Footballismyreligion - 21 Aug 2019 1:23 PM

Iredale has only played 2 games for carlisle in league 2, wouldnt say thats being in good form. 

Much rather give Elder the back up left back spot
The seasons are only just kicking off so two competition games in league 2 is about as regular and as good as it gets. There is virtually no Australian left fullbacks playing consistently at the moment.

 I rate Elder but he has just changed clubs, he is not playing and needs to be given time to settle in so he can try and win the left fullback position at Hull . At the moment I would select Gersbach before Elder. 

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Footballismyreligion - 21 Aug 2019 1:23 PM
Terre Astrale - 21 Aug 2019 10:45 AM

Jack Iredale is in good form and playing regularly 



Iredale has only played 2 games for carlisle in league 2, wouldnt say thats being in good form. 

Much rather give Elder the back up left back spot

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Terre Astrale - 21 Aug 2019 10:45 AM
johnszasz - 20 Aug 2019 6:53 AM

Nice Line-up. Mine would be pretty similar:
Ryan, Langerak, Redmayne
SainsburySouttar, DegenekSusjnar, 
GrantKaracic, BehichGersbach, 
Amini,
Jeggo, 
Mooy, Luongo, 
Irvine
, Hrustic
Borello, Mabil, Leckie, Ikonimidis
Taggart,
Iredale

(Starters in bold font)


The team that you suggested is very close to the team that I would select for the Kuwait game. As far as I know Ikonimidis is still out injured and not due to return until October so I would replace Iknonimidis with Nabbout and Jack Iredale instead of Gersbach because Jack Iredale is in good form and playing regularly and whilst Gersbach is probably the future left fullback he is still not getting game time to warrant selection for one still fighting his way into the squad. 

I would really like to see Souttar be given some decent game time to see what he can do, he is a man mountain and has been scoring goals from set pieces, he will be a real threat and another avenue to goal from corners and free kicks against the Asian sides.Susnjar is also looking the goods. Taggart in career best form and John Iredale is showing heaps of promise which is encouraging. 

At the moment I would also start with the same line up that you have suggested in bold.

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Keepers: Ryan, Langerak, Redmayne
Defenders: Grant, Risdon, Souttar, Degenek, Susjnar, Sainsbury, Behich, Smith (if not fit Gersbach)
Midfielders: Mooy, Luongo, Irvine, Amini, James Holland, Zach Duncan, Hrustic 
Forwards: Leckie, Borello, Mabil, Taggart, Giannou

Other Players to be considered
Alex Gersbach 
Fran Karacic
Jordan Lyden
Jimmy Jeggo
Chris Ikonomidis
Matty Jurman
Milligan?? Only reason I say this is because I can see Arnie using Degenek at right back, as Risdon isnt really at full fitness. 
Nikita Rukavysta has also been in goal scoring form
John Iredale has been in goal scoring form but for his reserve side
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Ameryn74 - 21 Aug 2019 12:10 PM
Amini should definitely be in the squad as he did well in the friendly against S Korea. Interesting nobody is selecting Milligan yet for some reason he is still being kept around.

He is old n playing in league 1 club n bottom of the ladder in League 1.
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Amini should definitely be in the squad as he did well in the friendly against S Korea. Interesting nobody is selecting Milligan yet for some reason he is still being kept around.
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johnszasz - 20 Aug 2019 6:53 AM
Getting closer now. Wright is injured so Susnjar or Souttar should come in. Smith is injured I believe. Gersbach is only in on his talent. I'd actually call Jack Iredale from Carlisle on current form. He's been great. Rogic and Arzani simply aren't ready. Nabbout would probably get ahead of John Iredale but John Iredale has been great so far and should get some exposure. 

Ryan Langerak Redmayne 

Grant Sainsbury Degenek Susnjar Souttar Behich Gersbach

Mooy Luongo Irvine Jeggo Amini Hrustic 

Leckie Mabil Taggart Giannou Iredale Ikonomidis Borrello

Nice Line-up. Mine would be pretty similar:
Ryan, Langerak, Redmayne
SainsburySouttar, DegenekSusjnar, 
GrantKaracic, BehichGersbach, 
Amini,
Jeggo, 
Mooy, Luongo, 
Irvine
, Hrustic
Borello, Mabil, Leckie, Ikonimidis
Taggart,
Iredale

(Starters in bold font)


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Now that Archie Thompson is playing football somewhere in the world you think holger will get the roos job back and pick him in his first squad because he’s good for the team morale?
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johnszasz - 20 Aug 2019 6:53 AM

good line up. i'd drop sainsbury though.  hasnt done enough at club to warrant inclusion. who would you bring in to replace him?

also, milligan will be in.

While I think Sainsbury needs a slap he's at least fully fit but lacks the match practice. I'd go Milligan for sure with that experience. 
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patjennings - 19 Aug 2019 5:38 PM
josh sydneyfc - 19 Aug 2019 3:26 PM

He won't be selected because he doesn't fulfill the role he is asked to do. He pushes forward eay too often for a DM and leaves the AMs to do the defensive work. You may get away with thst at club level where tje manager may allow this fluidity but at the NT level it is found out quickly.

I thought we wanted to dominate games and possession? we don't have forwards who can score if we have DM who knows how to time his runs late into the box we have another weapon...its why pep loves Gundogan so much... but Holland isn't 6'2 and 90kg so he won't get a run at DM for Australia..
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inala brah - 20 Aug 2019 9:49 AM
johnszasz - 20 Aug 2019 6:53 AM

good line up. i'd drop sainsbury though.  hasnt done enough at club to warrant inclusion. who would you bring in to replace him?

also, milligan will be in.

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johnszasz - 20 Aug 2019 6:53 AM
Getting closer now. Wright is injured so Susnjar or Souttar should come in. Smith is injured I believe. Gersbach is only in on his talent. I'd actually call Jack Iredale from Carlisle on current form. He's been great. Rogic and Arzani simply aren't ready. Nabbout would probably get ahead of John Iredale but John Iredale has been great so far and should get some exposure. 

Ryan Langerak Redmayne 

Grant Sainsbury Degenek Susnjar Souttar Behich Gersbach

Mooy Luongo Irvine Jeggo Amini Hrustic 

Leckie Mabil Taggart Giannou Iredale Ikonomidis Borrello



good line up. i'd drop sainsbury though.  hasnt done enough at club to warrant inclusion. who would you bring in to replace him?

also, milligan will be in.

 




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Getting closer now. Wright is injured so Susnjar or Souttar should come in. Smith is injured I believe. Gersbach is only in on his talent. I'd actually call Jack Iredale from Carlisle on current form. He's been great. Rogic and Arzani simply aren't ready. Nabbout would probably get ahead of John Iredale but John Iredale has been great so far and should get some exposure. 

Ryan Langerak Redmayne 

Grant Sainsbury Degenek Susnjar Souttar Behich Gersbach

Mooy Luongo Irvine Jeggo Amini Hrustic 

Leckie Mabil Taggart Giannou Iredale Ikonomidis Borrello



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josh sydneyfc - 20 Aug 2019 5:48 AM
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I agree susnjar should be there I just don’t know on Hrustic. First of all what position does he play? If he’s a winger he could nab a spot but if he’s a 10 he’s unlikely 

He does both. He's been given a wing spot but roams freely across the front 3. He's definitely one for creativity. Include. 
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Apparently he's been tearing it up. He's above that level and I'm not particularly sure what happened in Europe but he often put in a decent shift. It's actually quite frustrating that he was on the scene over a year ago and hasn't featured despite his exciting presence. Hrustic first came in mid 2017 and it's been 2 years now and he's finally showing some better signs. I think having these two in the national team set up will bring added confidence. It's a worthy investment. Kick on boys!

I agree susnjar should be there I just don’t know on Hrustic. First of all what position does he play? If he’s a winger he could nab a spot but if he’s a 10 he’s unlikely 
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Ds98 - 19 Aug 2019 9:03 PM
So Aleks Susnjar turned 24 today, should this be the year in which he starts getting called into the squad? 

If picking players from K2 is ok for South Korea, surely it's good enough for us!? Looks as though Busan will be promoted as well, these are the games we need to start blooding new players. he's played 21 times, missed two games through suspension, and the first game of the year due to getting cleared, so clearly he is favoured.

Apparently he's been tearing it up. He's above that level and I'm not particularly sure what happened in Europe but he often put in a decent shift. It's actually quite frustrating that he was on the scene over a year ago and hasn't featured despite his exciting presence. Hrustic first came in mid 2017 and it's been 2 years now and he's finally showing some better signs. I think having these two in the national team set up will bring added confidence. It's a worthy investment. Kick on boys!
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Decentric - 20 Aug 2019 12:05 AM

He played half a season in the A league in 2016-17 which was interrupted by injury - over 2 years ago. Unless you've seen him play for his team recently which i doubt you have lets keep an open mind. 

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Decentric - 20 Aug 2019 12:05 AM
Bunch of Hacks - 19 Aug 2019 5:33 PM

When we saw Holland play HAL football a season or two ago, he was decidedly average though, BOH.

He rarely played well enough to warrant Socceroo selection.

I think he has stagnated, even gone backwards, despite the high ELO of his club team.

He played half a season in the A league in 2016-17 which was interrupted by injury - over 2 years ago. Unless you've seen him play for his team recently which i doubt you have lets keep an open mind. 
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Ds98 - 19 Aug 2019 9:03 PM
So Aleks Susnjar turned 24 today, should this be the year in which he starts getting called into the squad? 

If picking players from K2 is ok for South Korea, surely it's good enough for us!? Looks as though Busan will be promoted as well, these are the games we need to start blooding new players. he's played 21 times, missed two games through suspension, and the first game of the year due to getting cleared, so clearly he is favoured.

I was surprised SK selected players from K League 2.
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Bunch of Hacks - 19 Aug 2019 5:33 PM
Just checked Club ELO. Hollands club LASK has risen considerably to be now 1620 points which is makes it the 86th ranked club in europe higher than aston villa and about level with Sheffield united. From all reports he s a regular starter and stars.

Should be considered as direct replacement for jedinak 

When we saw Holland play HAL football a season or two ago, he was decidedly average though, BOH.

He rarely played well enough to warrant Socceroo selection.

I think he has stagnated, even gone backwards, despite the high ELO of his club team.
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So Aleks Susnjar turned 24 today, should this be the year in which he starts getting called into the squad? 

If picking players from K2 is ok for South Korea, surely it's good enough for us!? Looks as though Busan will be promoted as well, these are the games we need to start blooding new players. he's played 21 times, missed two games through suspension, and the first game of the year due to getting cleared, so clearly he is favoured.
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Ahhh Holland. No idea. He's ticking all the boxes but when he got Australia games years ago it was painful to watch.

Jeggo and Amini are favoured by Arnie. I like our stocks in case of lots of injuries. It's funny how an apparent B team actually function better as a unit than the supposed A team.
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I think he was reasonable in Buli.2 a couple of years ago, he was just in a crap team.

Now that we don’t play Ange ball any more, he might have a place in the team. Would be interested in someone with knowledge of the Austrian league comparing him and Jeggo. Different styles, same posn.
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josh sydneyfc - 19 Aug 2019 3:26 PM
Does anyone else think James Holland deserves another crack for the NT. He can’t do more than what he’s doing now 

He won't be selected because he doesn't fulfill the role he is asked to do. He pushes forward eay too often for a DM and leaves the AMs to do the defensive work. You may get away with thst at club level where tje manager may allow this fluidity but at the NT level it is found out quickly.
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Just checked Club ELO. Hollands club LASK has risen considerably to be now 1620 points which is makes it the 86th ranked club in europe higher than aston villa and about level with Sheffield united. From all reports he s a regular starter and stars.

Should be considered as direct replacement for jedinak 
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josh sydneyfc - 19 Aug 2019 3:26 PM
Does anyone else think James Holland deserves another crack for the NT. He can’t do more than what he’s doing now 

Said it for last 2 years Holland is starring in what is a high standard relative to the rest of our overseas players. 
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Does anyone else think James Holland deserves another crack for the NT. He can’t do more than what he’s doing now 
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josh sydneyfc - 17 Aug 2019 4:20 PM
As we know Leckie played RWB this morning against Bayern Munich. It’s  time for the back 5. 

                          Ryan
         Sainsbury  Souttar   Degenek
Leckie                                        Behich
                Mooy Irvine Luongo
             Taggart           Giannou

Honourable mentions to bailey Wright, Tom Rogic, brad Smith, Awer mabil, ikonomidis, borrello, O’Neill 

I think you need to find a formation that include Awer and Ikon in the starting line up. Our main problem for years has been incisiveness and breaking down defenses, and those two have shown more ability to do that than anyone in a long time. Include Arzani in that too when he's fits. We a formation with wingers.

If we're going 3 at the back it should be 3-4-3

                           Ryan
        Souttar    Sainsbury   Degenek
Leckie       Irvine        Luongo      Behich
       Mabil           Taggart          Ikon

That's just an example. Smith would be well suited to LM.
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