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johnszasz - 7 Jan 2024 5:28 PM




Stenseness is still about. 



What has happened with him?
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After these midfield retirements the Socceroos wiki is thinner than ever. We still have decent immediate numbers. Still, how does the future look over the next 4 years? 

The future is bright with Nieuwenhof, Hollman, Teague.

Nisbet is great. I really want to see him he that extra elevation with a national team call up this qualification stage. 

I'm really fond of Thurgate. I seriously wish he'd been taken instead of Gethin Jones. 

What do people make of Girwood-Reich

Stenseness is still about. 



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mark_000au - 28 Dec 2023 3:26 AM
Decentric 2 - 27 Dec 2023 11:47 PM

Talbot ??!! Did you watch him in ACL? He is the opposite to the word "Very Good" 

Got zero dribling skills as RB with poor first touch. 

got a screamer during the acl and thought he played pretty decent in a frustrating campaign

Rb does seem a weakness in our current olyroos. Technically he seems goodish, probably will be around as good as our other rbs in miller, strain and atkinson without taking that position to the next level. I'm hoping bolivina and simmons are a higher level player
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Decentric 2 - 27 Dec 2023 11:47 PM
Haven't had access to a lot  of football for some time, but now having  subscribed to Paramount can see a lot more replays of Aussies.

Have been impressed with a few young Aussies in the AL.

*Ivanovic- Perth Glory 

When he played right wing, he is a taller winger than usual. He had good ball control when he ran at players, and being a bigger unit, defenders had trouble pushing him off the ball.

* Arzani - Melb Vic

The old ball carrying and dribbling skills are returning. Thought he was looking very effective and seems to be able to use his left foot and left side of the body better than he used to. His defending is better too. He seemed to be singled out as a dangerous player , so he was fouled a lot. It seems both he and Ivanovic need to convert more goals.

* Hollman - Macarthur - central mid. 

In a  position where there is great depth for the Socoeroos, this guy looks the real deal. Very skilful on the ball, and,  reads the game well well. Plus he made some rugged tackles. Kept his head up a lot with the ball at his feet. Already much more skilful than Socceroos mids  Irvine and Metcalfe, in rapidfire passing and moving in tight spaces. Hollman has quick handling speed. Very promising  midfielder.

* Talbot - Melb City - RB. 

Looked very good at Right Back for a young player. 

Talbot ??!! Did you watch him in ACL? He is the opposite to the word "Very Good" 

Got zero dribling skills as RB with poor first touch. 
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Haven't had access to a lot  of football for some time, but now having  subscribed to Paramount can see a lot more replays of Aussies.

Have been impressed with a few young Aussies in the AL.

*Ivanovic- Perth Glory 

When he played right wing, he is a taller winger than usual. He had good ball control when he ran at players, and being a bigger unit, defenders had trouble pushing him off the ball.

* Arzani - Melb Vic

The old ball carrying and dribbling skills are returning. Thought he was looking very effective and seems to be able to use his left foot and left side of the body better than he used to. His defending is better too. He seemed to be singled out as a dangerous player , so he was fouled a lot. It seems both he and Ivanovic need to convert more goals.

* Hollman - Macarthur - central mid. 

In a  position where there is great depth for the Socoeroos, this guy looks the real deal. Very skilful on the ball, and,  reads the game well well. Plus he made some rugged tackles. Kept his head up a lot with the ball at his feet. Already much more skilful than Socceroos mids  Irvine and Metcalfe, in rapidfire passing and moving in tight spaces. Hollman has quick handling speed. Very promising  midfielder.

* Talbot - Melb City - RB. 

Looked very good at Right Back for a young player. 
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Decentric 2 - 18 Dec 2023 11:31 PM
johnszasz - 18 Dec 2023 11:55 AM
Just saw a good article by Arzani, where he stated one has to start from scratch again in Europe, no matter what sort of reputation one has in the A L.

I don't understand why an aussie player would think any different? surely they know where we are on the ladder? how tough it was for someone like Mooy to go over and make it.. blows my mind the sort of mentoring these young blokes are getting.... its fkn awful.
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patjennings - 20 Dec 2023 1:45 PM
johnszasz - 20 Dec 2023 1:42 PM

Triantis yes. Farrell as a LB but Monty saw him as a future left CB.

is Triantis gaining any game time at the Black Kats ?
He's got promise very good bloodlines.


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Monoethnic Social Club - 20 Dec 2023 10:35 AM
Booney - 20 Dec 2023 8:06 AM

heheheh not really interested in the Aleague mate.... Ill leave that to the "new football" people to enjoy. 

South play Sydney Oympic on the "ISUZU Unite the tribes pty ltd" round weekend in Sydney so there will be at least one match I will be attending.

mate, Booney was meaning the AL Uniting round is for the many lost "new football"  call to comeback hahaha....Townsend must have pencilled that in before joining them.




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johnszasz - 20 Dec 2023 1:42 PM
Hillbilly55 - 20 Dec 2023 1:39 PM

We've got a good 4 but yeah add a 5th and 6th. Circati is so amazingly young still. I often forget that. 

I'm totally blank. Who would be the best CB prospect under 20 besides Circati? Triantis? 

Triantis yes. Farrell as a LB but Monty saw him as a future left CB.
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Hillbilly55 - 20 Dec 2023 1:39 PM
johnszasz - 20 Dec 2023 12:15 PM

That's a pretty good start to a run on team that we may have in the future. Add someone like Volpato and things would be cooking. Maybe we should have another CB though :)

We've got a good 4 but yeah add a 5th and 6th. Circati is so amazingly young still. I often forget that. 

I'm totally blank. Who would be the best CB prospect under 20 besides Circati? Triantis? 
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johnszasz - 20 Dec 2023 12:15 PM
10 debuts in 2023

🧢 #629 - Aiden O'Neill
🧢 #630 - Alex Robertson
🧢 #631 - Joe Gauci
🧢 #632 - Jordan Bos
🧢 #633 - Cameron Burgess
🧢 #634 - Sam Silvera
🧢 #635 - Lewis Miller
🧢 #636 - Mohamed Toure
🧢 #637 - Alessandro Circati
🧢 #638 - Kusini Yengi

That's a pretty good start to a run on team that we may have in the future. Add someone like Volpato and things would be cooking. Maybe we should have another CB though :)
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10 debuts in 2023

🧢 #629 - Aiden O'Neill
🧢 #630 - Alex Robertson
🧢 #631 - Joe Gauci
🧢 #632 - Jordan Bos
🧢 #633 - Cameron Burgess
🧢 #634 - Sam Silvera
🧢 #635 - Lewis Miller
🧢 #636 - Mohamed Toure
🧢 #637 - Alessandro Circati
🧢 #638 - Kusini Yengi

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Booney - 20 Dec 2023 8:06 AM
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Heaven forbid you might even see some more A-League games-oh the horror-the Uniting round is in January

heheheh not really interested in the Aleague mate.... Ill leave that to the "new football" people to enjoy. 

South play Sydney Oympic on the "ISUZU Unite the tribes pty ltd" round weekend in Sydney so there will be at least one match I will be attending.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 19 Dec 2023 4:06 PM
Quicky - 19 Dec 2023 11:42 AM

Cheers bud, looks like Ill have to join the rest of you and get a Paramount Trial sub for the month :( Ill be on here complaining about the stream in Jan. hahahah

Heaven forbid you might even see some more A-League games-oh the horror-the Uniting round is in January
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silvera and glover start!

Nice, would be great if all three start soon
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Quicky - 19 Dec 2023 11:42 AM
Monoethnic Social Club - 19 Dec 2023 11:15 AM

Looks like it will be telecast on Paramount: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/australias-afc-asian-cup-2023-match-schedule-confirmed

Unsure if 10 Play will get some games on FTA like with the AL. 

Cheers bud, looks like Ill have to join the rest of you and get a Paramount Trial sub for the month :( Ill be on here complaining about the stream in Jan. hahahah
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Monoethnic Social Club - 19 Dec 2023 11:15 AM
Where will the Asia Cup be shown here? Can someone help out an old fella?

Looks like it will be telecast on Paramount: https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/australias-afc-asian-cup-2023-match-schedule-confirmed

Unsure if 10 Play will get some games on FTA like with the AL. 
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Where will the Asia Cup be shown here? Can someone help out an old fella?
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tsf - 19 Dec 2023 10:47 AM
Arzani has been defending well but there is no way he should be in a national team discussion, he tracked back well on saturday but has a long way to go

If 4 wingers are needed/selected for ACup squad it’s obviously Goodwin, Boyle, Silvera and who? Irankunda, G Kuol, Tilio?, Arzani? Is Mabil injured?

Said it before but if Fornaroli selected Arzani has a chance due to them playing well together in same team already 
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Arzani has been defending well but there is no way he should be in a national team discussion, he tracked back well on saturday but has a long way to go
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Decentric 2 - 18 Dec 2023 11:31 PM
johnszasz - 18 Dec 2023 11:55 AM

It is always interesting to look at teams from a few years ago.

 Some players  seem to fade out after promising early careers, like  Alex Gersbach, whilst some others come from nowhere late in their careers - like Burgess in recent times. 

Just saw a good article by Arzani, where he stated one has to start from scratch again in Europe, no matter what sort of reputation one has in the A L.

It is likely in a few years the Socceroos could look quite different from the present team.  Even with  some younger players who look promising now,  they could stagnate, whilst others we don't think of as current Socceroos,  will have made great leaps forward in a few years.

tomi juric was a bit of a surprise that he declined so

Arzani finally looks like he is showing glimpses of his best again. Amazingly I still think he used to be way way way better with ball at feet, though now he also defends
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johnszasz - 18 Dec 2023 11:55 AM
Graham Arnold has named his first Socceroos squad for his September training camp:

Goalkeepers:

Mitchell Langerak, Mathew Ryan, Daniel Vukovic, Brad Jones

Defenders:

Aziz Behich, Milos Degenek, Alex Gersbach, Mile Jedinak, Mark Milligan, Josh Risdon, Trent Sainsbury, Alexsandar Susnjar, Bailey Wright

Midfielders:

Mustafa Amini, Daniel Arzani, Kenneth Dougall, Ajdin Hrustic, Jackson Irvine, Massimo Luongo, Aaron Mooy

Forwards:

Mitchell Duke, Denis Genreau, Apostolos Giannou, John Iredale, Tomi Juric, Robbie Kruse, Awer Mabil , Jamie Maclaren, Dimi Petratos


Came across this. Interesting look. 

It is always interesting to look at teams from a few years ago.

 Some players  seem to fade out after promising early careers, like  Alex Gersbach, whilst some others come from nowhere late in their careers - like Burgess in recent times. 

Just saw a good article by Arzani, where he stated one has to start from scratch again in Europe, no matter what sort of reputation one has in the A L.

It is likely in a few years the Socceroos could look quite different from the present team.  Even with  some younger players who look promising now,  they could stagnate, whilst others we don't think of as current Socceroos,  will have made great leaps forward in a few years.
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Graham Arnold has named his first Socceroos squad for his September training camp:

Goalkeepers:

Mitchell Langerak, Mathew Ryan, Daniel Vukovic, Brad Jones

Defenders:

Aziz Behich, Milos Degenek, Alex Gersbach, Mile Jedinak, Mark Milligan, Josh Risdon, Trent Sainsbury, Alexsandar Susnjar, Bailey Wright

Midfielders:

Mustafa Amini, Daniel Arzani, Kenneth Dougall, Ajdin Hrustic, Jackson Irvine, Massimo Luongo, Aaron Mooy

Forwards:

Mitchell Duke, Denis Genreau, Apostolos Giannou, John Iredale, Tomi Juric, Robbie Kruse, Awer Mabil , Jamie Maclaren, Dimi Petratos


Came across this. Interesting look. 
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grazorblade - 18 Nov 2023 11:40 AM

I found the Olympic team discussion to be very interesting.

Arnie is using data about the number of Olympic players per cycle progressing to full international senior level. 

ATM I don't think we could have a better coach than Arnie. Ultimately we need an Aussie with insights into our unique scenario. Also, Arnie perceives Olympic players as cattle for the Socceroos. Foreign coaches  probably don't perceive  the inherent value in the Olympic cycle to the same extent.

Arnie threw light on the value of the 10 month foreign season compared to the 5 month A L season. Is the AL  that short? I thought it was 6 months?

5mths let alone 6 doesn't make it any better compared to 10.
Its butt average full stop.



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After Fornaroli's recent form, I think he has to go to Qatar. There isn't an Aussie striker that is anywhere close to his lethality at the moment 
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jas88 - 18 Nov 2023 10:53 AM

another thread people are talking about the 2026 squad and it does look very promising

looks like from arnie's perspective qualifying for the olympics is pretty key to realizing that potential

I found the Olympic team discussion to be very interesting.

Arnie is using data about the number of Olympic players per cycle progressing to full international senior level. 

ATM I don't think we could have a better coach than Arnie. Ultimately we need an Aussie with insights into our unique scenario. Also, Arnie perceives Olympic players as cattle for the Socceroos. Foreign coaches  probably don't perceive  the inherent value in the Olympic cycle to the same extent.

Arnie threw light on the value of the 10 month foreign season compared to the 5 month A L season. Is the AL  that short? I thought it was 6 months?
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jas88 - 18 Nov 2023 10:53 AM
great interview with Arnie by ESPN. Speaks about Irankunda an Volplato.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LDvos45LkU

Thanks a bunch for putting it up, Jas88!

Sone decent questions asked by Joey Lynch towards the end of the interview.

There were a lot of answers provided by Arnie to questions I've had.
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Game against Lebanon will be played in opponent territory, Parramatta. Really curious how packed Lebanon fans will make it.
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johnszasz - 1 Dec 2023 10:12 AM
Based on current rankings let's say next round
South Korea 
Australia 
Uzbekistan
China 
Syria 
Kyrgyzstan 

It's just tricky and needs very careful navigation. We keep stuffing it up ourselves with complacency. Hopefully there'll be some draws amongst group opponents for a change. 

Hopefully not with Uzbekistan. Uzbekistan to me is as strong as Saudi Arabia. They are the quality side (Their football is better than the Socceroos) They should make the next world cup 2026 if nothing goes wrong.
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Then again, might we see 3 pots of 6? If there were any way for west Asia to give itself a better chance. Imagine Qatar Saudi being the highest ranked in one group then South Korea Japan and Australia Iran another. 
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