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I'm hoping that Jedinak, and Milligan are still around for the Asian cup, would be a good send off if we win it for them. I think Cahill's club career is done and therefore he won't be a part of it, but you never know.
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La gazette tactique has done some analysis on Berts Australia defensive system and another on the movement of Juric.
Unfortunately not in English and no sound but interesting non the less.
Can clearly see Berts 2 lines of 4 along with i think where they think they can exploit us.
Good to see where we press and recover along with our shape. If only Bert could have had another 3 months or so.
also a fit and in form Juric makes such a difference to our play, It's too bad he came in so underdone.



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Decentric - 12 Jun 2018 10:16 AM
When one looks back just a few years ago at the last World Cup, look at the downward plummet of some  players since.


Spiranovic ( I just can't believe this talented player isn't at this WC).

Franjic

Davidson

Holland (was he in the squad?)



Wilkinson has maintained form since, but age probably worked against his selection.

Tommy Oar also. Williams another (albeit not in squad)
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La gazette tactique has done some analysis on Berts Australia defensive system and another on the movement of Juric.
Unfortunately not in English and no sound but interesting non the less.
Can clearly see Berts 2 lines of 4 along with i think where they think they can exploit us.
Good to see where we press and recover along with our shape. If only Bert could have had another 3 months or so.
also a fit and in form Juric makes such a difference to our play, It's too bad he came in so underdone.



First vid. 0:40 and 1:46, the second attacking player is dropping back to press when we lose possession and kick-start the counter when we get it back.

Imo, this is exactly why Rogic shouldn't start the game. Say we're playing 4-2-3-1, that will be the CAM and they will need to do a lot of defensive work. It will relieve so much pressure.

Strong argument for Irvine to start. Especially if he can knock it back to Mooy, and who can launch the counter-attack.
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My french is non existant but did it highlight our defensive frailties on the wings and to use width to pull us out of shape? That in trying to crowd space in the middlr we leave space open out wide?
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The video showed how essential it is to have a back to goal pivot up top and is a key point for Juric starting over Nabbout. HOWEVER if it is not Juric, then it could be Rogic, in which case Mabbout cor McLaren can work as a striker.

With all the talk about who the CAM should be and how they fit with the rest of the midfield, there should be equal thought given to how they fit with the striker.

IMO we need one runner/slasher and one player who can be a back to goal pivot to hold the ball up.

Runner could be Irvine at CAM or Nabbout as striker.

Pivot could be Juric at Striker or Rogic and even Mooy at CAM - all of whom can obviously play forwards when able to.


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My french is non existant but did it highlight our defensive frailties on the wings and to use width to pull us out of shape? That in trying to crowd space in the middlr we leave space open out wide?

Yeah, they talk about isolating our defenders to create 1 vs 1 situations on the wing. Not sure who their left wing will be. But against Risdon, that's something they might try to exploit. Just before that they also talk about how when we press laterally, there be a slowness which creates a bit of space.

There are some definite chinks in the armour, even with all BvM's great work. Leckie will have to have a brilliant game (and not just in how he defends, how he contributes to retaining possession). And Irvine's essential. Just that extra half a yard of pace and that grit and intensity when our CAM closes down.
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Aljay - 13 Jun 2018 8:31 PM
 With all the talk about who the CAM should be and how they fit with the rest of the midfield, there should be equal thought given to how they fit with the striker.

In terms of our attacking avenues, I think we're going to rely on linking up Juric's hold up play with the strength and speed from the wings (perhaps Nabbout and Leckie). In the first hour, I don't think we need to worry too much about really poetic football. Having Mooy's distribution from deep and Irvine's late runs into the box will give us some kind of hope of scoring in the framework of those speedy wingers and Juric's hold-up play.

That's what I'd be saying, anyhow.
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Decentric - 10 Jun 2018 11:18 PM
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Good point.

Kruse is a better player in every way in terms of performance off the ball. Notwithstanding, when Arzani has the ball at his feet, with the requisite body shape to play forwards, he is a far better player than Kruse or Leckie.

For all the good graft work they do, Leckie and Kruse, in particular, have been shocking in terms of scoring goals.

Leckie's goalscoring is actually passable now given he's a winger - 8 in 53. Not too bad
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La gazette tactique has done some analysis on Berts Australia defensive system and another on the movement of Juric.
Unfortunately not in English and no sound but interesting non the less.
Can clearly see Berts 2 lines of 4 along with i think where they think they can exploit us.
Good to see where we press and recover along with our shape. If only Bert could have had another 3 months or so.
also a fit and in form Juric makes such a difference to our play, It's too bad he came in so underdone.



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Decentric - 12 Jun 2018 10:16 AM

Tommy Oar also. Williams another (albeit not in squad)

True about Oar, Bunch Of Hacks. 

I'd forgotten him. He has faded.
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Bunch of Hacks - 13 Jun 2018 9:40 PM
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Leckie's goalscoring is actually passable now given he's a winger - 8 in 53. Not too bad

I'm assuming a winger should score more often.

Kruse missed at least three shots against Hungary. He just hasn't got it as a goalscorer, which puts pressure on others to score.  

I'm expecting Frank Frank to appear soon, who is either Kruse's Mum, Dad, sibling, cousin or girlfriend.
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quickflick - 13 Jun 2018 8:48 PM
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In terms of our attacking avenues, I think we're going to rely on linking up Juric's hold up play with the strength and speed from the wings (perhaps Nabbout and Leckie). In the first hour, I don't think we need to worry too much about really poetic football. Having Mooy's distribution from deep and Irvine's late runs into the box will give us some kind of hope of scoring in the framework of those speedy wingers and Juric's hold-up play.

That's what I'd be saying, anyhow.

I think Mooy is going to spend a lot of time chasing the ball as France dominates possession.

Given this is likely to be the case Troisi is better at closing down space than Rogic, if France dominates possession and we spend the majority of time in BPO.
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chondro - 13 Jun 2018 11:31 AM
Change is inevitable with a new manager coming in.
you think Arnie should keep the same squad as the WC for Asia Cup in 7 months time?
I think you'll see a minimum of 5 changes and hopefully a few more.

Who would you keep in?
Cahill- 38 (42 2022)
Jones- 36 (40 2022)
Vukovic- 33 (37 2022)
Jedinak- 33 (37 2022)
Milligan- 33 (37 2022)
Meredith- 30 (34 2022)
Kruse- 29 (33 2022)




Apart from Vuka as a keeper, the rest are too old, or too old for outfield players, unless Kruse inexplicably starts scoring a lot of goals.
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Decentric - 13 Jun 2018 11:12 PM
chondro - 13 Jun 2018 11:31 AM

Apart from Vuka as a keeper, the rest are too old, or too old for outfield players, unless Kruse inexplicably starts scoring a lot of goals.

Only Vukovic, Kruse and Meredith could make it from that lot. 
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Decentric - 13 Jun 2018 11:10 PM
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I think Mooy is going to spend a lot of time chasing the ball as France dominates possession.

Given this is likely to be the case Troisi is better at closing down space than Rogic, if France dominates possession and we spend the majority of time in BPO.

You know Troisi isn't in the squad Decentric?! Could play Arzani No.10 even
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It's good fun discussing potential starting eleven but given that BVM has started the same eleven the last two games it is almost a sure thing that he will go with the same line up.
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Decentric - 13 Jun 2018 11:06 PM
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I'm assuming a winger should score more often.

Kruse missed at least three shots against Hungary. He just hasn't got it as a goalscorer, which puts pressure on others to score.  

I'm expecting Frank Frank to appear soon, who is either Kruse's Mum, Dad, sibling, cousin or girlfriend.

For comparison sake David Ginola was a winger and considered a very good one and scored 6 in 58 at Newcastle and 13 in 100 at Tottenham. Mind you he probably played slightly deeper than leckie and got a lot more assists, but still Leckie's goalscoring record isn't too bad these days
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Ds98 - 13 Jun 2018 11:42 AM
I'm hoping that Jedinak, and Milligan are still around for the Asian cup, would be a good send off if we win it for them. I think Cahill's club career is done and therefore he won't be a part of it, but you never know.

Surely Cahill will be the only retiree, the rest will only be six months older. We've got a whole qualification cycle to blood the next generation afterwards; we should be going to the Asian Cup to defend our title.
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Honest question. You sack your coach the night before you play in an international tournament in another country. Your manager needs to look the part. How the hell do you fit a suit in time, keeping in mind he has to be acquainting himself with the team as well.
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Decentric - 13 Jun 2018 11:06 PM

For comparison sake David Ginola was a winger and considered a very good one and scored 6 in 58 at Newcastle and 13 in 100 at Tottenham. Mind you he probably played slightly deeper than leckie and got a lot more assists, but still Leckie's goalscoring record isn't too bad these days

That's an interesting stat. I just saw a Goals of the 90's Premier League show and just about all those 6 Newcastle goals were in it. He had a knack of scoring the spectacular!
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Thanks. The first video provided an excellent analysis of our defensive strategy and fragility. In point 1 of their suggestions, using width, they show Behich pressing his opposite winger but then rapidly getting back into position once his job was done. They then show the same scenario on the other wing but Risdon was either too slow or not aware of the threat of his opposite winger quickly receiving the ball again further up the pitch. Almost a goal conceded.
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Bunch of Hacks - 13 Jun 2018 11:55 PM
Decentric - 13 Jun 2018 11:10 PM

You know Troisi isn't in the squad Decentric?! Could play Arzani No.10 even

No.

Thanks.

By his own standards, Troisi has had a poor season in the HAL and probably doesn't deserve a spot.
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Gtone - 14 Jun 2018 5:41 AM
Thanks. The first video provided an excellent analysis of our defensive strategy and fragility. In point 1 of their suggestions, using width, they show Behich pressing his opposite winger but then rapidly getting back into position once his job was done. They then show the same scenario on the other wing but Risdon was either too slow or not aware of the threat of his opposite winger quickly receiving the ball again further up the pitch. Almost a goal conceded.

Ta.
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Bunch of Hacks - 13 Jun 2018 11:54 PM
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Only Vukovic, Kruse and Meredith could make it from that lot. 

IMO Meredith is a product of his career.

He isn't good enough at playing football on the deck. In his Socceoro appearances to date he has remarked how much the ball is played on the ground compared to his club football.
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n i k o - 13 Jun 2018 11:59 PM
It's good fun discussing potential starting eleven but given that BVM has started the same eleven the last two games it is almost a sure thing that he will go with the same line up.

agree.

although there could be some shift that he has planned to keep under wraps.

and also no one would blink if jedinak started.  he came into camp late. and is the captain.  and is a beast on his day.

 




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n i k o - 13 Jun 2018 11:59 PM

agree.

although there could be some shift that he has planned to keep under wraps.

and also no one would blink if jedinak started.  he came into camp late. and is the captain.  and is a beast on his day.

definitely

it will be 4-2-3-1 and anyone who didnt start the last two friendlies probably misses out

jedinak and juric are a chance because of injuries. Arzani also a chance because the coach mentioned him. I suppose there is a small chance for irvine too
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@Bundoorah Brah

Always potential for that. I for one would be happy to see Jedinak in the starting eleven against a tough French team.
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