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Risdon/Sainsbury/Degenek/Behich
Mooy/Milligan
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Boyle
Boyle, Leckie and Mabil all switching.
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+xLet's pray that Daniel Arzani makes a full recovery. If he does and also... If we can overlook the controversy of somebody who hadn't stepped foot in Australia being selected to represent the NT... I reckon Martin Boyle might as well just play up front. Who else can run at defenders and can finish chances? Sure he may not be a natural striker. But I think given how shit we are up front, his ability up there would translate well enough. Things look unusually bright going forward. Post Asian Cup, I'm hoping that every match we start with -----------------------------------------Boyle------------------------------------------ Arzani--------------------------------Luongo--------------------------------Leckie ----------------------Mooy------------------------------Irvine------------------------- Behich-----------------Sainsbury--------------Deng---------------------Risdon --------------------------------------------Ryan----------------------------------------- And virtually every match, Tom Rogic comes on at the hour mark. And maybe Awer Mabil, too. I dunno whether Boyle looks tall or strong enough as a striker. I guess we could try him there but my gut feeling is that he would be more effective as a winger where he has more space to operate. The striker issue is just a bitch to solve. How much longer till we can nationalise bruno formation? Anyone know? He's 31 atm, heck even a 34 year old fornaroli would be better than what we've got. Maybe we ought consider playing like Spain at Euro 2012 without a striker and just overload our side with midfielders which we seem to have an awful lot of :lol: giannou, juric,maclaren,nabbout they're all shit nabbout or leckie for me but I understand that's not their natural position
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Let's pray that Daniel Arzani makes a full recovery. If he does and also... If we can overlook the controversy of somebody who hadn't stepped foot in Australia being selected to represent the NT... I reckon Martin Boyle might as well just play up front. Who else can run at defenders and can finish chances? Sure he may not be a natural striker. But I think given how shit we are up front, his ability up there would translate well enough.
Things look unusually bright going forward. Post Asian Cup, I'm hoping that every match we start with
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Arzani--------------------------------Luongo--------------------------------Leckie
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Behich-----------------Sainsbury--------------Deng---------------------Risdon
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And virtually every match, Tom Rogic comes on at the hour mark. And maybe Awer Mabil, too.
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So who ended up being better Rhyan or Risdon ? I don't know who played better ...
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+x+x+xAs I've looked at replays from both Australia's last games a few observations occurred. * Mabil was no better in his game against Lebanon as a starting player than Leckie or Kruse. The latter duo did more defensive work. * Kruse's shooting is shocking ATM compared to the rest of his skill set. I heard he has scored 1 goal from his last 35 Socceroo games! * Although the opposition was defending deep giving them a lot of time on the ball, Amini and Irvine didn't do a lot wrong. Amini displayed wonderful skill at times and has improved his ball winning and defensive work rate. This is pleasing. * Sains was better against South K. He might have run out of gas, from not being match fit against Lebanon. * Milligan has improved a as a heading duellist, winning many contests against taller players from South K. Australia realise on his composure on the ball. * Mooy was better as an attacking mid for Australia when he played for Melb City. His better position for the Socceroos is DM. His defensive work rate has improved. Mooy is quite slow off the mark, but has fast feet with the ball. * The only thing I cannot decipher with BVM is that he preferred Irvine to Luongo. Luongo is a decidedly better player. As a midfielder what he has over Milligan and Mooy is his ball carrying at speed, and 1v1 evasion ability at pace. * Degenek was much better, and more solid defensively as a CB than Sains against Lebanon. He hasn't got Sains or Millsy's distribution skills though. * Grant had a better game than I first thought against L. His jockeying is very good, demonstrating good balance . He may have a defensive edge over Risdon. * Milligan, Sains and Risdon read the game well, making quite a few intercepts. * Ryan and Vuka were both very good in goal. * Juric's progress since WSW is disappointing. From two guilt edged opportunities where a striker should have worked the keeper, he failed to get shots at goal. Giannou has more skill on the ball, and is the better striking option ATM. * Rogic and Mooy are combining better with Mooy as a DM. * Rogic is shooting a lot from range at goal, when he could play more assists (possibly to the likes of Kruse and Leckie who would miss anyway). * A lot of Behich's work going forwards with crosses and passes into the box often result in inaccurate crosses, or, his crosses aren't being read by forwards. Oar is a superior crosser. * Given Boyle is so new, he is reading balls into the box better than his teammates with more Socceroo experience. He may be in top form ATM, that won't last. * Boyle also lost the ball a few times, from defenders tackling him. * I was surprised at much bullocking work Leckie gets through. Both he, Mooy and Milligan are immensely strong for their size. * ATM I'd drop Sains for a Degenek/Milligan CB pairing. * I was alarmed at Maclaren not getting shots on goal. He did make the perfect run and finish for Kruse's offside cross though! * Arnie relied too much on a system with very high full backs against South K, and didn't adapt adequately to their counter to his tactics. I'll go into this in another post. Mabil didn't have the greatest game against Lebanon but at least he tried some tricks to beat opponents and ran at them, he is direct and that is what we are missing from the wings. It didn't come off in the last match but he definitely causes worry. It is also why Boyle has looked so good compared to what we had in the past, someone who just gets the ball and runs at defenders and if he has a half chance he goes for it because anything can happen. The strength and conditioning coach, Burgess, stated recently that Kruse and Leckie are the best athletes in the Socceroos. They not only have great speed, but the stamina to keep running hard - something Usain Bolt found difficult. Even though extremely fast, Bolt said track sprinting involved a lot of time between races. Bolt said he wasn't fit enough for football. This is what's wrong with the entire setup... yeah I get it they can run all day long... but can they do the basics? can they trap the ball? can they make a pass? can they actually look up when they are dribbling? can they shoot a target? if they can't do these things... then it doesnt matter how long they run for.. I get we wanna press from the front but fuck me dead.. its just crazy you got every bloke playing for socceroos they got all the gear.. the gps vests, the special recovery goggles the flashy boots, but some of the semi-pro's playing for lebanon were more skillful.
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The thing is that the way GA is setting up the nominal wingers are playing more centrally and we are essentially playing with three strikers. The width comes from Risdon and Behich. More people in front of goal means more attempts which hopefully means more goals.
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+xNot sure this is the squad I would take to the Asian Cup - but it is the one I expect with Langerak the third keeper. Kruse and Milligan and possibly Vukovic to go after the Asian Cup or early WCQ. Azani when fit to replace Kruse in the squad. First XI ---------------------Ryan Risdon-----Sainsbury-------Milligan----Behich --------Luongo----------------Mooy-----------
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-------------------Juric----------------- I'd been thinking of this formation and I'd love to see it experimented with -----------------------Ryan----------------------------- Risdon------Degenek-----Milligan----Behich Luongo-----Mooy Boyle--------Rogic----------Mabil Leckie That is definitely a pacey formation that uses all our best players. I think leckie at striker should be tried, ange had used him as a striker and in our last game leckie managed to score off a boyle assist. Also leckie has in fact scored more goals than tomi juric who's considered our best striker despite the fact he hasn't spent much time there. Now we have boyle and mabil we'll have better service. Have nabbout and maclaren as back up strikers on the bench. It might also be worth considering this --------------------Ryan------------------------
Risdon------Degenek-----Milligan----Behich Luongo-----Mooy Leckie--------Rogic----------Boyle Nabbout
See if nabbout out performs leckie as a striker. I think it's definitely worth trying and the emergence of Boyle and Mabil have definately added something extra to our side. Exciting times And I'd be happy to see sainsbury take milligans spot he's just a bit out of form at the moment. Needs to be match fit
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Not sure this is the squad I would take to the Asian Cup - but it is the one I expect with Langerak the third keeper. Kruse and Milligan and possibly Vukovic to go after the Asian Cup or early WCQ. Azani when fit to replace Kruse in the squad. First XI ---------------------Ryan Risdon-----Sainsbury-------Milligan----Behich --------Luongo----------------Mooy-----------
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Nabbout can certainly jump.
I was near the fence at Oz v France in Kazan so could see how high he was jumping against the taller French defenders - and occasionally beating them. I reckon there was close to four feet between his boots and the ground on a couple of occasions. No wonder he keeps landing on his shoulder...
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+x+xWho are our strikers ... - Maclaren deserves an extended run IMO (maybe not starter but in the squad ... as long as keeps form at Hibs)
- Juric needs to re-earn his place IMO (has to be banging in the goals at club level and really bang on the doors)
- Giannou I really like as a player (think he is the stereotype forward we need ATM ... again would benefit from an extended run in the squad ... think he'd be a big positive against Asian opposition too)
- Nabbout is a good versatile option IMO (striker, winger or number 10)
- Taggart would really have to turn on the form and big time starting this weekend for Roar (has the quality but not showing atm
I would be taking Maclaren, Giannou (my two out and out strikers) and Nabbout to the Asian Cup. Taggart was brilliant about a year ago in the HAL - just before a long term injury. He is nowhere bear that form now. Giannou was decent against Kuwait, with a superb, well taken goal, but he didn't create enough other shots. Cahill averages about 5-6 per game. I just think Giannou might need an extended run ... he is in and out of the squad, so hasn't been able to get the confidence up IMO (feeling more part of the squad too he may be more encouraged to shoot ... I know many new players to an established team will try to be the team player when they start out until they earn their stripes to shoot more often). He also can present a bigger target up front than any of the others can ... which could be critical against Asian nations (look at the problems Cahill's leap caused them, or Kennedy used to cause teams ... I think Giannou is the only striker we have who could cause similar troubles in the air). His finish seems more polished than Juric, better with the ball at his feet and faster.
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+xRyan GK1Vukovic GK2Langerak GK3Sainsbury CBDegenek CBWilliams or Jurman CBMilligan CB/DMRisdon RBGrant RBBehich LBGersbach LBLuongo DM/CMMooy DM/CMAmini or Mcgree CMIrvine CM/AMRogic AMPetratos AM/WGoodwin WMabil WBoyle W/SLeckie W/SNabbout S/WMaclaren STo keep an eye onDeng, Dougall, Jeggo, Ikonomidis, Folami, Taggart, Giannou Ikonomidis could be a bolter ... can play as an AM too I am pretty sure. I think Deng will be lucky to make it (don't see him displacing any of those you have listed, and not sure they'll take that many defenders). Dougall I think is injured, so might just be wrong time for him unfortunately. I'd have Jeggo, Amini, McGree all above Irvine as a CM/AM role (probably slot Ikonomidis and Nabbout in that role before him too). They are all better on the ball and passing then him. Irvines biggest assets are his pressure (Amini out shined him against Lebanon in these stakes) and heading prowess (why I'd have Giannou in the squad ... who in your squad would be that target man??). However, neither are the key attributes I want for my AM when trying to play a possessive style (which they should against all Asian sides). I don't think Irvine suits the style Australia are trying to play unless he is a DM (which you've shown we have great depth there already). He is alright as a AM if we are going to park the bus (because of his pressure but he can't hold the ball up like Rogic did at the WC).
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+xWho are our strikers ... - Maclaren deserves an extended run IMO (maybe not starter but in the squad ... as long as keeps form at Hibs)
- Juric needs to re-earn his place IMO (has to be banging in the goals at club level and really bang on the doors)
- Giannou I really like as a player (think he is the stereotype forward we need ATM ... again would benefit from an extended run in the squad ... think he'd be a big positive against Asian opposition too)
- Nabbout is a good versatile option IMO (striker, winger or number 10)
- Taggart would really have to turn on the form and big time starting this weekend for Roar (has the quality but not showing atm
I would be taking Maclaren, Giannou (my two out and out strikers) and Nabbout to the Asian Cup. Taggart was brilliant about a year ago in the HAL - just before a long term injury. He is nowhere bear that form now. Giannou was decent against Kuwait, with a superb, well taken goal, but he didn't create enough other shots. Cahill averages about 5-6 per game.
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+xRyan GK1Vukovic GK2Langerak GK3Sainsbury CBDegenek CBWilliams or Jurman CBMilligan CB/DMRisdon RBGrant RBBehich LBGersbach LBLuongo DM/CMMooy DM/CMAmini or Mcgree CMIrvine CM/AMRogic AMPetratos AM/WGoodwin WMabil WBoyle W/SLeckie W/SNabbout S/WMaclaren STo keep an eye onDeng, Dougall, Jeggo, Ikonomidis, Folami, Taggart, Giannou Why do you think Petratos can't get a start Chondro? (Or even on the bench for this last match.)
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Ryan GK1
Vukovic GK2
Langerak GK3
Sainsbury CB
Degenek CB
Williams or Jurman CB
Milligan CB/DM
Risdon RB
Grant RB
Behich LB
Gersbach LB
Luongo DM/CM
Mooy DM/CM
Amini or Mcgree CM
Irvine CM/AM
Rogic AM
Petratos AM/W
Goodwin W
Mabil W
Boyle W/S
Leckie W/S
Nabbout S/W
Maclaren S
To keep an eye on
Deng, Dougall, Jeggo, Ikonomidis, Folami, Taggart, Giannou
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+x+x+xAs I've looked at replays from both Australia's last games a few observations occurred. * Mabil was no better in his game against Lebanon as a starting player than Leckie or Kruse. The latter duo did more defensive work. * Kruse's shooting is shocking ATM compared to the rest of his skill set. I heard he has scored 1 goal from his last 35 Socceroo games! * Although the opposition was defending deep giving them a lot of time on the ball, Amini and Irvine didn't do a lot wrong. Amini displayed wonderful skill at times and has improved his ball winning and defensive work rate. This is pleasing. * Sains was better against South K. He might have run out of gas, from not being match fit against Lebanon. * Milligan has improved a as a heading duellist, winning many contests against taller players from South K. Australia realise on his composure on the ball. * Mooy was better as an attacking mid for Australia when he played for Melb City. His better position for the Socceroos is DM. His defensive work rate has improved. Mooy is quite slow off the mark, but has fast feet with the ball. * The only thing I cannot decipher with BVM is that he preferred Irvine to Luongo. Luongo is a decidedly better player. As a midfielder what he has over Milligan and Mooy is his ball carrying at speed, and 1v1 evasion ability at pace. * Degenek was much better, and more solid defensively as a CB than Sains against Lebanon. He hasn't got Sains or Millsy's distribution skills though. * Grant had a better game than I first thought against L. His jockeying is very good, demonstrating good balance . He may have a defensive edge over Risdon. * Milligan, Sains and Risdon read the game well, making quite a few intercepts. * Ryan and Vuka were both very good in goal. * Juric's progress since WSW is disappointing. From two guilt edged opportunities where a striker should have worked the keeper, he failed to get shots at goal. Giannou has more skill on the ball, and is the better striking option ATM. * Rogic and Mooy are combining better with Mooy as a DM. * Rogic is shooting a lot from range at goal, when he could play more assists (possibly to the likes of Kruse and Leckie who would miss anyway). * A lot of Behich's work going forwards with crosses and passes into the box often result in inaccurate crosses, or, his crosses aren't being read by forwards. Oar is a superior crosser. * Given Boyle is so new, he is reading balls into the box better than his teammates with more Socceroo experience. He may be in top form ATM, that won't last. * Boyle also lost the ball a few times, from defenders tackling him. * I was surprised at much bullocking work Leckie gets through. Both he, Mooy and Milligan are immensely strong for their size. * ATM I'd drop Sains for a Degenek/Milligan CB pairing. * I was alarmed at Maclaren not getting shots on goal. He did make the perfect run and finish for Kruse's offside cross though! * Arnie relied too much on a system with very high full backs against South K, and didn't adapt adequately to their counter to his tactics. I'll go into this in another post. I'd say jury is still out on grant being better than Risdon so far, Risdon has played against higher quality international opposition than what Grant has.Maybe wait to see if Grant gets selected a bit more often and see how he goes against better oppostion I didn't say Grant was a better RB, because unequivocally, in all round skill set , Risdon is clearly the better player. He is more accomplished on the ball than Grant. However, I suggested Grant may be a better jockeyer. When he was in his jockeying stance against that tricky Lebanese number 7 who skinned Sains, Grant stood him up beautifully. Most of our players aren't as well balanced as when Grant jockeys, so the opposition attackers can dribble past them on one side of the body. Conversely, Grant had nice balance and stopped the number 7 rounding him. Overall fair summary D. Irvine is 50/50 for me. and above re Risdon/Grant. Risdon has the runs on the board and is a more rounded footballer But Grant the last years has turned into a true RB. He has a engine as well. He just needs more NT experience and as long as he keeps working hard on his game he will make a challenge for the spot in the future. I haven't kept tabs on Smith but just checked looks like he's finally getting game time in Seattle from Sept Seattle were on an eight-game win streak, Smith has slotted smoothly into the side and after picking up an assist in a 3-1 win against Sporting KC earned a place in the MLS' Team of the Week. He quoted he'd love to be back in our NT come AC time so he's working on it. Re the Kruse its time for the bench definately. I'm even more keen our front line consists of either : Arzani when fit, Boyle,Nabbout and Mabil - McLaren backing up and even Pretatos to find a spot or in mids to try more. Kruse/Leckie have had their chances - time to be back ups/bench.
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Watching Irvine against Lebanon I would have to say his position is far from certain too. He doesn't offer the team anything different IMO, he's not good enough on the ball and his passing is mediocre. I think he's best as DM, but I don't think he's in the top 4 DM's available for Australia (and we don't need that many in a squad). Similarly as a AM there are probably at least 10 better than him in that position. He is probably even further down the list as a number 8. So for me doesn't really deserve a spot ATM
The other player of concern would have to be Gersbach. Behich yeah needed some game time, as not getting the time at club level, but to not give Gersbach a start against Lebanon (who were hardly going to worry our defense) ... surely a good chance to see him in action, does Arnie have that little faith in him?? (or doesn't think he is up to it??) He was pure quality when I last saw him in the A-League, but he's had limited game time overseas. If Arnie has so little faith in him, I'd almost be tempted to take Goodwin as your back up left back (then can double as a LW too) and take an extra centre back (as Millsy can float between CB and DM depending on where the team needs him).
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Who are our strikers ... - Maclaren deserves an extended run IMO (maybe not starter but in the squad ... as long as keeps form at Hibs)
- Juric needs to re-earn his place IMO (has to be banging in the goals at club level and really bang on the doors)
- Giannou I really like as a player (think he is the stereotype forward we need ATM ... again would benefit from an extended run in the squad ... think he'd be a big positive against Asian opposition too)
- Nabbout is a good versatile option IMO (striker, winger or number 10)
- Taggart would really have to turn on the form and big time starting this weekend for Roar (has the quality but not showing atm
I would be taking Maclaren, Giannou (my two out and out strikers) and Nabbout to the Asian Cup.
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+x+xAs I've looked at replays from both Australia's last games a few observations occurred. * Mabil was no better in his game against Lebanon as a starting player than Leckie or Kruse. The latter duo did more defensive work. * Kruse's shooting is shocking ATM compared to the rest of his skill set. I heard he has scored 1 goal from his last 35 Socceroo games! * Although the opposition was defending deep giving them a lot of time on the ball, Amini and Irvine didn't do a lot wrong. Amini displayed wonderful skill at times and has improved his ball winning and defensive work rate. This is pleasing. * Sains was better against South K. He might have run out of gas, from not being match fit against Lebanon. * Milligan has improved a as a heading duellist, winning many contests against taller players from South K. Australia realise on his composure on the ball. * Mooy was better as an attacking mid for Australia when he played for Melb City. His better position for the Socceroos is DM. His defensive work rate has improved. Mooy is quite slow off the mark, but has fast feet with the ball. * The only thing I cannot decipher with BVM is that he preferred Irvine to Luongo. Luongo is a decidedly better player. As a midfielder what he has over Milligan and Mooy is his ball carrying at speed, and 1v1 evasion ability at pace. * Degenek was much better, and more solid defensively as a CB than Sains against Lebanon. He hasn't got Sains or Millsy's distribution skills though. * Grant had a better game than I first thought against L. His jockeying is very good, demonstrating good balance . He may have a defensive edge over Risdon. * Milligan, Sains and Risdon read the game well, making quite a few intercepts. * Ryan and Vuka were both very good in goal. * Juric's progress since WSW is disappointing. From two guilt edged opportunities where a striker should have worked the keeper, he failed to get shots at goal. Giannou has more skill on the ball, and is the better striking option ATM. * Rogic and Mooy are combining better with Mooy as a DM. * Rogic is shooting a lot from range at goal, when he could play more assists (possibly to the likes of Kruse and Leckie who would miss anyway). * A lot of Behich's work going forwards with crosses and passes into the box often result in inaccurate crosses, or, his crosses aren't being read by forwards. Oar is a superior crosser. * Given Boyle is so new, he is reading balls into the box better than his teammates with more Socceroo experience. He may be in top form ATM, that won't last. * Boyle also lost the ball a few times, from defenders tackling him. * I was surprised at much bullocking work Leckie gets through. Both he, Mooy and Milligan are immensely strong for their size. * ATM I'd drop Sains for a Degenek/Milligan CB pairing. * I was alarmed at Maclaren not getting shots on goal. He did make the perfect run and finish for Kruse's offside cross though! * Arnie relied too much on a system with very high full backs against South K, and didn't adapt adequately to their counter to his tactics. I'll go into this in another post. I'd say jury is still out on grant being better than Risdon so far, Risdon has played against higher quality international opposition than what Grant has.Maybe wait to see if Grant gets selected a bit more often and see how he goes against better oppostion I didn't say Grant was a better RB, because unequivocally, in all round skill set , Risdon is clearly the better player. He is more accomplished on the ball than Grant. However, I suggested Grant may be a better jockeyer. When he was in his jockeying stance against that tricky Lebanese number 7 who skinned Sains, Grant stood him up beautifully. Most of our players aren't as well balanced as when Grant jockeys, so the opposition attackers can dribble past them on one side of the body. Conversely, Grant had nice balance and stopped the number 7 rounding him.
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+xAs I've looked at replays from both Australia's last games a few observations occurred. * Mabil was no better in his game against Lebanon as a starting player than Leckie or Kruse. The latter duo did more defensive work. * Kruse's shooting is shocking ATM compared to the rest of his skill set. I heard he has scored 1 goal from his last 35 Socceroo games! * Although the opposition was defending deep giving them a lot of time on the ball, Amini and Irvine didn't do a lot wrong. Amini displayed wonderful skill at times and has improved his ball winning and defensive work rate. This is pleasing. * Sains was better against South K. He might have run out of gas, from not being match fit against Lebanon. * Milligan has improved a as a heading duellist, winning many contests against taller players from South K. Australia realise on his composure on the ball. * Mooy was better as an attacking mid for Australia when he played for Melb City. His better position for the Socceroos is DM. His defensive work rate has improved. Mooy is quite slow off the mark, but has fast feet with the ball. * The only thing I cannot decipher with BVM is that he preferred Irvine to Luongo. Luongo is a decidedly better player. As a midfielder what he has over Milligan and Mooy is his ball carrying at speed, and 1v1 evasion ability at pace. * Degenek was much better, and more solid defensively as a CB than Sains against Lebanon. He hasn't got Sains or Millsy's distribution skills though. * Grant had a better game than I first thought against L. His jockeying is very good, demonstrating good balance . He may have a defensive edge over Risdon. * Milligan, Sains and Risdon read the game well, making quite a few intercepts. * Ryan and Vuka were both very good in goal. * Juric's progress since WSW is disappointing. From two guilt edged opportunities where a striker should have worked the keeper, he failed to get shots at goal. Giannou has more skill on the ball, and is the better striking option ATM. * Rogic and Mooy are combining better with Mooy as a DM. * Rogic is shooting a lot from range at goal, when he could play more assists (possibly to the likes of Kruse and Leckie who would miss anyway). * A lot of Behich's work going forwards with crosses and passes into the box often result in inaccurate crosses, or, his crosses aren't being read by forwards. Oar is a superior crosser. * Given Boyle is so new, he is reading balls into the box better than his teammates with more Socceroo experience. He may be in top form ATM, that won't last. * Boyle also lost the ball a few times, from defenders tackling him. * I was surprised at much bullocking work Leckie gets through. Both he, Mooy and Milligan are immensely strong for their size. * ATM I'd drop Sains for a Degenek/Milligan CB pairing. * I was alarmed at Maclaren not getting shots on goal. He did make the perfect run and finish for Kruse's offside cross though! * Arnie relied too much on a system with very high full backs against South K, and didn't adapt adequately to their counter to his tactics. I'll go into this in another post. I'd say jury is still out on grant being better than Risdon so far, Risdon has played against higher quality international opposition than what Grant has.Maybe wait to see if Grant gets selected a bit more often and see how he goes against better oppostion
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+x+xAs I've looked at replays from both Australia's last games a few observations occurred. * Mabil was no better in his game against Lebanon as a starting player than Leckie or Kruse. The latter duo did more defensive work. * Kruse's shooting is shocking ATM compared to the rest of his skill set. I heard he has scored 1 goal from his last 35 Socceroo games! * Although the opposition was defending deep giving them a lot of time on the ball, Amini and Irvine didn't do a lot wrong. Amini displayed wonderful skill at times and has improved his ball winning and defensive work rate. This is pleasing. * Sains was better against South K. He might have run out of gas, from not being match fit against Lebanon. * Milligan has improved a as a heading duellist, winning many contests against taller players from South K. Australia realise on his composure on the ball. * Mooy was better as an attacking mid for Australia when he played for Melb City. His better position for the Socceroos is DM. His defensive work rate has improved. Mooy is quite slow off the mark, but has fast feet with the ball. * The only thing I cannot decipher with BVM is that he preferred Irvine to Luongo. Luongo is a decidedly better player. As a midfielder what he has over Milligan and Mooy is his ball carrying at speed, and 1v1 evasion ability at pace. * Degenek was much better, and more solid defensively as a CB than Sains against Lebanon. He hasn't got Sains or Millsy's distribution skills though. * Grant had a better game than I first thought against L. His jockeying is very good, demonstrating good balance . He may have a defensive edge over Risdon. * Milligan, Sains and Risdon read the game well, making quite a few intercepts. * Ryan and Vuka were both very good in goal. * Juric's progress since WSW is disappointing. From two guilt edged opportunities where a striker should have worked the keeper, he failed to get shots at goal. Giannou has more skill on the ball, and is the better striking option ATM. * Rogic and Mooy are combining better with Mooy as a DM. * Rogic is shooting a lot from range at goal, when he could play more assists (possibly to the likes of Kruse and Leckie who would miss anyway). * A lot of Behich's work going forwards with crosses and passes into the box often result in inaccurate crosses, or, his crosses aren't being read by forwards. Oar is a superior crosser. * Given Boyle is so new, he is reading balls into the box better than his teammates with more Socceroo experience. He may be in top form ATM, that won't last. * Boyle also lost the ball a few times, from defenders tackling him. * I was surprised at much bullocking work Leckie gets through. Both he, Mooy and Milligan are immensely strong for their size. * ATM I'd drop Sains for a Degenek/Milligan CB pairing. * I was alarmed at Maclaren not getting shots on goal. He did make the perfect run and finish for Kruse's offside cross though! * Arnie relied too much on a system with very high full backs against South K, and didn't adapt adequately to their counter to his tactics. I'll go into this in another post. One thing confirms me is we lacked this part alot in the national team set up, is players willing to try and create problems in the final third via the dribble. My frustration with Leckie and Kruse is they are incapable of doing this especially against Asian teams, you need players are capable on the 1v1 situations and allowing this to create space for the likes of Rogic and Mooy who are not the best when it comes to mobility. Risdon is developing very nicely at evading players in 1v1s on the right flank. He has a good shoulder feint and a Matthews Cut. Risdon also uses the Ronaldo Chop well. Moreover, he changes pace well.
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+x+xAs I've looked at replays from both Australia's last games a few observations occurred. * Mabil was no better in his game against Lebanon as a starting player than Leckie or Kruse. The latter duo did more defensive work. * Kruse's shooting is shocking ATM compared to the rest of his skill set. I heard he has scored 1 goal from his last 35 Socceroo games! * Although the opposition was defending deep giving them a lot of time on the ball, Amini and Irvine didn't do a lot wrong. Amini displayed wonderful skill at times and has improved his ball winning and defensive work rate. This is pleasing. * Sains was better against South K. He might have run out of gas, from not being match fit against Lebanon. * Milligan has improved a as a heading duellist, winning many contests against taller players from South K. Australia realise on his composure on the ball. * Mooy was better as an attacking mid for Australia when he played for Melb City. His better position for the Socceroos is DM. His defensive work rate has improved. Mooy is quite slow off the mark, but has fast feet with the ball. * The only thing I cannot decipher with BVM is that he preferred Irvine to Luongo. Luongo is a decidedly better player. As a midfielder what he has over Milligan and Mooy is his ball carrying at speed, and 1v1 evasion ability at pace. * Degenek was much better, and more solid defensively as a CB than Sains against Lebanon. He hasn't got Sains or Millsy's distribution skills though. * Grant had a better game than I first thought against L. His jockeying is very good, demonstrating good balance . He may have a defensive edge over Risdon. * Milligan, Sains and Risdon read the game well, making quite a few intercepts. * Ryan and Vuka were both very good in goal. * Juric's progress since WSW is disappointing. From two guilt edged opportunities where a striker should have worked the keeper, he failed to get shots at goal. Giannou has more skill on the ball, and is the better striking option ATM. * Rogic and Mooy are combining better with Mooy as a DM. * Rogic is shooting a lot from range at goal, when he could play more assists (possibly to the likes of Kruse and Leckie who would miss anyway). * A lot of Behich's work going forwards with crosses and passes into the box often result in inaccurate crosses, or, his crosses aren't being read by forwards. Oar is a superior crosser. * Given Boyle is so new, he is reading balls into the box better than his teammates with more Socceroo experience. He may be in top form ATM, that won't last. * Boyle also lost the ball a few times, from defenders tackling him. * I was surprised at much bullocking work Leckie gets through. Both he, Mooy and Milligan are immensely strong for their size. * ATM I'd drop Sains for a Degenek/Milligan CB pairing. * I was alarmed at Maclaren not getting shots on goal. He did make the perfect run and finish for Kruse's offside cross though! * Arnie relied too much on a system with very high full backs against South K, and didn't adapt adequately to their counter to his tactics. I'll go into this in another post. One thing confirms me is we lacked this part alot in the national team set up, is players willing to try and create problems in the final third via the dribble. My frustration with Leckie and Kruse is they are incapable of doing this especially against Asian teams, you need players are capable on the 1v1 situations and allowing this to create space for the likes of Rogic and Mooy who are not the best when it comes to mobility. Kruse and Leckie are frustrating in terms of goal output and 1v1 evasion skill in tight spaces ( Leckie is improving in space). The good news is that without even looking at their defensive contribution, Arzani is our best dribbler of all, Boyle is also good and Mabil has improved. Maclaren could also work on improving his 1v1 evasion ability too. Also, along with Nabbout - Kruse, Leckie, Mabil and Boyle are giving us searing pace - something we lacked a few years ago. Not to mention Brad Smith, probably the quickest of the lot.
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Decentric
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+x+xAs I've looked at replays from both Australia's last games a few observations occurred. * Mabil was no better in his game against Lebanon as a starting player than Leckie or Kruse. The latter duo did more defensive work. * Kruse's shooting is shocking ATM compared to the rest of his skill set. I heard he has scored 1 goal from his last 35 Socceroo games! * Although the opposition was defending deep giving them a lot of time on the ball, Amini and Irvine didn't do a lot wrong. Amini displayed wonderful skill at times and has improved his ball winning and defensive work rate. This is pleasing. * Sains was better against South K. He might have run out of gas, from not being match fit against Lebanon. * Milligan has improved a as a heading duellist, winning many contests against taller players from South K. Australia realise on his composure on the ball. * Mooy was better as an attacking mid for Australia when he played for Melb City. His better position for the Socceroos is DM. His defensive work rate has improved. Mooy is quite slow off the mark, but has fast feet with the ball. * The only thing I cannot decipher with BVM is that he preferred Irvine to Luongo. Luongo is a decidedly better player. As a midfielder what he has over Milligan and Mooy is his ball carrying at speed, and 1v1 evasion ability at pace. * Degenek was much better, and more solid defensively as a CB than Sains against Lebanon. He hasn't got Sains or Millsy's distribution skills though. * Grant had a better game than I first thought against L. His jockeying is very good, demonstrating good balance . He may have a defensive edge over Risdon. * Milligan, Sains and Risdon read the game well, making quite a few intercepts. * Ryan and Vuka were both very good in goal. * Juric's progress since WSW is disappointing. From two guilt edged opportunities where a striker should have worked the keeper, he failed to get shots at goal. Giannou has more skill on the ball, and is the better striking option ATM. * Rogic and Mooy are combining better with Mooy as a DM. * Rogic is shooting a lot from range at goal, when he could play more assists (possibly to the likes of Kruse and Leckie who would miss anyway). * A lot of Behich's work going forwards with crosses and passes into the box often result in inaccurate crosses, or, his crosses aren't being read by forwards. Oar is a superior crosser. * Given Boyle is so new, he is reading balls into the box better than his teammates with more Socceroo experience. He may be in top form ATM, that won't last. * Boyle also lost the ball a few times, from defenders tackling him. * I was surprised at much bullocking work Leckie gets through. Both he, Mooy and Milligan are immensely strong for their size. * ATM I'd drop Sains for a Degenek/Milligan CB pairing. * I was alarmed at Maclaren not getting shots on goal. He did make the perfect run and finish for Kruse's offside cross though! * Arnie relied too much on a system with very high full backs against South K, and didn't adapt adequately to their counter to his tactics. I'll go into this in another post. Mabil didn't have the greatest game against Lebanon but at least he tried some tricks to beat opponents and ran at them, he is direct and that is what we are missing from the wings. It didn't come off in the last match but he definitely causes worry. It is also why Boyle has looked so good compared to what we had in the past, someone who just gets the ball and runs at defenders and if he has a half chance he goes for it because anything can happen. I'm trying to be fair by acknowledging how much Leckie does outside his huge weakness of converting goals for the team. Also, Kruse has improved in the sense that he always used to look for the referred as players roughed him up and bullied him. Now he has taken Lecke's lead, built up some much needed muscle and strength in the gym and he is putting himself about. His tackling and body on body contact in his 1v1 skill set has improved. Against South K, when he had sufficient space, and even in tighter spots, Leckie has improved at taking players on. As a bench impact player, Mabil was more effective against South K and Kuwait, than as a starter against Lebanon. The strength and conditioning coach, Burgess, stated recently that Kruse and Leckie are the best athletes in the Socceroos. They not only have great speed, but the stamina to keep running hard - something Usain Bolt found difficult. Even though extremely fast, Bolt said track sprinting involved a lot of time between races. Bolt said he wasn't fit enough for football.
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+xjust confirming decentric you want to play Mooy at the base of the midfield as a defensive midfielder? not a deep lying CM? you want him cleaning up balls and making tackles? just wanted to get a confirmation. Empirically Mooy has played better in the DM or number 6 role in recent times. Particularly compared to being a twin Attacking Midfielder with Rogic. I don't know why, but when he first started with the Socceroos as an AM, he was more of a potent threat around goals. I think I heard the Fox panel say he hasn't scored for the Socceroos for one or two years. Whether one views it is as deep lying playmaker, or Defensive Midfielder, he is playing in the same position on the pitch. I thought he was effective in this position in the World Cup. Mooy has also improved the defensive side of his game to be a decent Socceroo DM, not a benched WSW DM a few years ago. Rogic also likes a free roaming number ten role for the Socceroos. The coaching panel have discovered how they can both contribute to the team more effectively and be on the pitch at the same time.
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+xAs I've looked at replays from both Australia's last games a few observations occurred. * Mabil was no better in his game against Lebanon as a starting player than Leckie or Kruse. The latter duo did more defensive work. * Kruse's shooting is shocking ATM compared to the rest of his skill set. I heard he has scored 1 goal from his last 35 Socceroo games! * Although the opposition was defending deep giving them a lot of time on the ball, Amini and Irvine didn't do a lot wrong. Amini displayed wonderful skill at times and has improved his ball winning and defensive work rate. This is pleasing. * Sains was better against South K. He might have run out of gas, from not being match fit against Lebanon. * Milligan has improved a as a heading duellist, winning many contests against taller players from South K. Australia realise on his composure on the ball. * Mooy was better as an attacking mid for Australia when he played for Melb City. His better position for the Socceroos is DM. His defensive work rate has improved. Mooy is quite slow off the mark, but has fast feet with the ball. * The only thing I cannot decipher with BVM is that he preferred Irvine to Luongo. Luongo is a decidedly better player. As a midfielder what he has over Milligan and Mooy is his ball carrying at speed, and 1v1 evasion ability at pace. * Degenek was much better, and more solid defensively as a CB than Sains against Lebanon. He hasn't got Sains or Millsy's distribution skills though. * Grant had a better game than I first thought against L. His jockeying is very good, demonstrating good balance . He may have a defensive edge over Risdon. * Milligan, Sains and Risdon read the game well, making quite a few intercepts. * Ryan and Vuka were both very good in goal. * Juric's progress since WSW is disappointing. From two guilt edged opportunities where a striker should have worked the keeper, he failed to get shots at goal. Giannou has more skill on the ball, and is the better striking option ATM. * Rogic and Mooy are combining better with Mooy as a DM. * Rogic is shooting a lot from range at goal, when he could play more assists (possibly to the likes of Kruse and Leckie who would miss anyway). * A lot of Behich's work going forwards with crosses and passes into the box often result in inaccurate crosses, or, his crosses aren't being read by forwards. Oar is a superior crosser. * Given Boyle is so new, he is reading balls into the box better than his teammates with more Socceroo experience. He may be in top form ATM, that won't last. * Boyle also lost the ball a few times, from defenders tackling him. * I was surprised at much bullocking work Leckie gets through. Both he, Mooy and Milligan are immensely strong for their size. * ATM I'd drop Sains for a Degenek/Milligan CB pairing. * I was alarmed at Maclaren not getting shots on goal. He did make the perfect run and finish for Kruse's offside cross though! * Arnie relied too much on a system with very high full backs against South K, and didn't adapt adequately to their counter to his tactics. I'll go into this in another post. One thing confirms me is we lacked this part alot in the national team set up, is players willing to try and create problems in the final third via the dribble. My frustration with Leckie and Kruse is they are incapable of doing this especially against Asian teams, you need players are capable on the 1v1 situations and allowing this to create space for the likes of Rogic and Mooy who are not the best when it comes to mobility. Arzani(when he comes back), Boyle, Mabil confirms me that these players should be starting players going forward, Kruse days as a starting player are done. Leckie should move into a center forward role. At least the new gen of attackers are promising in that regard too with Borrello, Folami and Ikon. We need more of these players are all levels, this is where the modern game is going.
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just confirming decentric you want to play Mooy at the base of the midfield as a defensive midfielder? not a deep lying CM? you want him cleaning up balls and making tackles? just wanted to get a confirmation.
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+xAs I've looked at replays from both Australia's last games a few observations occurred. * Mabil was no better in his game against Lebanon as a starting player than Leckie or Kruse. The latter duo did more defensive work. * Kruse's shooting is shocking ATM compared to the rest of his skill set. I heard he has scored 1 goal from his last 35 Socceroo games! * Although the opposition was defending deep giving them a lot of time on the ball, Amini and Irvine didn't do a lot wrong. Amini displayed wonderful skill at times and has improved his ball winning and defensive work rate. This is pleasing. * Sains was better against South K. He might have run out of gas, from not being match fit against Lebanon. * Milligan has improved a as a heading duellist, winning many contests against taller players from South K. Australia realise on his composure on the ball. * Mooy was better as an attacking mid for Australia when he played for Melb City. His better position for the Socceroos is DM. His defensive work rate has improved. Mooy is quite slow off the mark, but has fast feet with the ball. * The only thing I cannot decipher with BVM is that he preferred Irvine to Luongo. Luongo is a decidedly better player. As a midfielder what he has over Milligan and Mooy is his ball carrying at speed, and 1v1 evasion ability at pace. * Degenek was much better, and more solid defensively as a CB than Sains against Lebanon. He hasn't got Sains or Millsy's distribution skills though. * Grant had a better game than I first thought against L. His jockeying is very good, demonstrating good balance . He may have a defensive edge over Risdon. * Milligan, Sains and Risdon read the game well, making quite a few intercepts. * Ryan and Vuka were both very good in goal. * Juric's progress since WSW is disappointing. From two guilt edged opportunities where a striker should have worked the keeper, he failed to get shots at goal. Giannou has more skill on the ball, and is the better striking option ATM. * Rogic and Mooy are combining better with Mooy as a DM. * Rogic is shooting a lot from range at goal, when he could play more assists (possibly to the likes of Kruse and Leckie who would miss anyway). * A lot of Behich's work going forwards with crosses and passes into the box often result in inaccurate crosses, or, his crosses aren't being read by forwards. Oar is a superior crosser. * Given Boyle is so new, he is reading balls into the box better than his teammates with more Socceroo experience. He may be in top form ATM, that won't last. * Boyle also lost the ball a few times, from defenders tackling him. * I was surprised at much bullocking work Leckie gets through. Both he, Mooy and Milligan are immensely strong for their size. * ATM I'd drop Sains for a Degenek/Milligan CB pairing. * I was alarmed at Maclaren not getting shots on goal. He did make the perfect run and finish for Kruse's offside cross though! * Arnie relied too much on a system with very high full backs against South K, and didn't adapt adequately to their counter to his tactics. I'll go into this in another post. Mabil didn't have the greatest game against Lebanon but at least he tried some tricks to beat opponents and ran at them, he is direct and that is what we are missing from the wings. It didn't come off in the last match but he definitely causes worry. It is also why Boyle has looked so good compared to what we had in the past, someone who just gets the ball and runs at defenders and if he has a half chance he goes for it because anything can happen.
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I'm interested to see how Arnie's changes his tactics over the next few games.
I think he will be more flexible and pragmatic than Ange.
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+xArnie's shape looked like this on paper, as a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 Defensive Midfield Triangle. .........X.................X.................X................X .......................X..........................X ..................................X X.................................X.............................X He pushed the full backs ups very high, and moved the wingers inside, in Ball Possession. This manifested as: ........................X.....................X .................X..................................X X................................................................X ...............................X ...........X.................X..............X When the South K coach realised this, as they played a higher attacking line and squeezed the Aus CBs, harder, without the width of the Oz FBs, the Socceroos struggled to play out as easily. The two narrow Aussie wingers, also went back into midfield, like old fashioned inside forwards at times. In the second aforementioned manifestation of Arnie's 4-3-3, the South Korean flat midfield 442 formation in their Ball Possession Opposition, closed down Australia's passing lanes after the 20 min mark when they scored. Initially SK sat back, keeping their shape compact and deeper in BPO. Milligan and Sains often had two SK players against them. Plus the central mids of the SK squeezed and closed down Mooy's and Luongo's passing lanes. Risdon and Behich were often too far forwards to assist other players in the build up from the back. Until SK scored at 22 mins against the run of play, Arnie's tactic was working beautifully. Australia dominated possession, territory and shots at goal.
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In Ball Possession Opposition, Australia played a flat midfield 4-4-2 most of the time.
On occasions it looked like a bowl shaped midfield 4-4-2, or a 4-2-4.
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Arnie's shape looked like this on paper, as a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 Defensive Midfield Triangle.
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He pushed the full backs ups very high, and moved the wingers inside, in Ball Possession. This manifested as:
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When the South K coach realised this, as they played a higher attacking line and squeezed the Aus CBs, harder, without the width of the Oz FBs, the Socceroos struggled to play out as easily.
The two narrow Aussie wingers, also went back into midfield, like old fashioned inside forwards at times.
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