I'm aware of the history Waz.  Its interesting that it had gone quiet since Rudd canned the $25m from the Feds when he came to power and it has just resurfaced with the EOI.

@ GyFox

The development of Ballymore has been in the pipeline for a decade or so; they nearly had it sorted until the federal (?) government pulled a grant of several million dollars. The main investment is not in the stadium but in hotels/offices within the precinct to generate revenue. The stadium gets one more grandstand to replace the Hill.

The QRU recently sought expressions of interest in developing Ballymore.  There are some pretty good images on the website.

http://www.ballymore.com.au/eoi

Redcliffe, so I can only speak as a northern twat (is twat a southern insult btw? haven't heard it in ages) but people I've know have always seen it as North/City/South, so both Roar and City will be seen as City teams. People from the North and South will travel into Brisbane to support them just as they do with the Broncos.

People refer to Redcliffe and Strathpine as 'North Brisbane' so I dont see how a team that plays in Milton is a North Brisbane team.

I agree with you on the Sydney comparison, which is why it'd be a mistake for City to brand themselves as either just north or south because the Roar can still legitimately claim to support the whole area.

I was never born in Queensland, actually grew up in Adelaide, just have lived here for the past 10 years so I wouldn't know too much about the North or South divide though I know it does exist. I never supported Roar because there were known for representing either location, I only started supporting them after I came out of the Defence Force which was around season 5 or 6 I think. I don't necessarily think any team coming in needs to have a north/south side divide, though I think they need a point of difference etc different stadium.  

Lions are west for a start and BCFC aren't exactly North either lol.

The talk over a need for a geographic divide is nonsense, yes it worked for Sydney but only because a divide already existed, it doesn't exist in Brisbane and any attempt to create one will fail. As another poster pointed out QLD derbies are pretty tame, we only really get excited when NSWs or Victorian teams come to town.

But two Brisbane sides can work providing the new side can differentiate itself, that's all that's needed.

Qld Brisbane Roar have always played ALeague in North Brisbane.

Now they are moving to Logan for training and have trained in the south.

I don't see them as a southern team. I see them as northern if anything (even though the original Dutch colony was in the south).

It is hard to buy into the north south thing if FCBC come in. Imo it would be more like what happened in Sydeny. SFC can claim all of Sydney while WSW are only west. Roar could claim all of Brisbane while City could claim north.

This doesn't mean north south doesn't exist.

I think Roar fans on the north side are pushing hard not to start being called a southern team..before it's even happened lol

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Caboolture, Northside for me. 

@ JonoMV

I don't think Brisbane has been saturated yet - Roar have done a god-awful job of connecting with the football community and the wider community too. There's still a huge market to tap.

But without a logical divide on geography the competitor has to be smack bang in the city area itself. Strikers would be the best option imo, even the NPL game between the two sides attracts some spice, but city will do nicely. Especially st Ballymore which gives them a point of difference st least and not just another club playing on shot grass in a 1/4 full stadium.

How can people say there is no north south divide?

Can people name suburbs where they grew up please?

Doubt it, Roar have been a disaster and a joke off the field for a long time and have been terrible at attracting new fans. A new team in Brisbane will probably attract 6-7k and make them pull their finger out. 

Ballymore holds 18k apparently, even with low crowds of 6k, that is 1/3 the capacity of it and with the camera facing the main stand it will look infinitely better than suncorp. The atmosphere even with that many would still be better than 12-14k in a 50k stadium.

I think Brisbane have penetrated the majority of the footballing market. 

Brisbane Attendances have roughly stayed the same throughout the competition. Only difference is they are no longer the second best supported side in the competition . 
Sure, 2 million people and all, but it is still a Rugby League stronghold, the Roar have done a great job in cementing themselves as Brisbane's "Socckah" team. Melbourne has double the population of Brisbane, is more "Soccer friendly" and look how much City have struggled. I don't feel Brisbane has enough room for a second side. The AFL and NRL never thought about bringing another side into Brisbane and those sports do far better in Brisbane. 

Attendances for the Roar
16-17 = 14k (4th)
15-16 = 13k (5th)
14-15 = 11.5k (5th)
13-14 = 18k (3rd)
12-13 = 13k (4th)
11-12 = 16k (2nd)
10-11 = 12.6k (2nd)
08-09 = 14k (2nd)
07-08 = 18.5k (2nd)
06-07 = 16.4k (2nd)
05-06 = 14.7k (2nd)

I may be wrong, but that is how I see it. 

Realistically, looking at regular crowds of 5-6k I think. That's about 1/4 full stadium, which is about what the Roar gets at Suncorp. 

Ballymore, while "boutique", is not really what I would call an intimate stadium.

So I am skeptical as to how successful they would be in creating their supposed "fundamentally different match day experience to the Roar", at least in terms of atmosphere at the ground.

 If they had a stadium like South, then I would be saying shit yeah.

I'm thinking a poor man's Melbourne Heart.

What's the population of Brisbane and within a one hour radius of the City?
It's clear that the Roar have penetrated some of the market but there is certainly the potential to do much more.

Having top tier football every week will give the game a massive boost.
It will keep the sport in its limited spotlight with the media. Double the relevance and content in the media is only a good thing for the sport.
Both Melbourne and Sydney have demonstrated this successfully and with a stable bid Brisbane can certainly do the same.

Were the reds playing out of it more back when the deal was about to be done back in 2010? If it was still a training ground back then and they were going to get the funds this surely would make it more viable. Reading that article it seems Rudd was to blame for pulling 20 million from the funding.

The whole thing does seem about light on specifics atm but I'd imagine getting it up to professional standard and then having Brisbane City and the Reds playing out of it would provide a much stronger case for the $100m upgrade compared to it's current use as a glorified training ground.

It is cheaper to start with than Suncorp from what I understand right now, they are doing the minimun update to it to get it to A-Leauge/ACL standard. The reds in turn will give them a discount for that, the reds will then push for the Government funding I think of 100 mill that was going to be done before but was scraped. I think that is right, not too sure though. 

I may not be across everything that has been said, but how will contributing less to the refurb get them an even better stadium deal?

From what is said they are doing the bare minimum for the refurb, which will then get them an ever better deal with the reds. Still much cheaper in long run when they will likely get less crowds than Roar playing out of Suncorp.  

I agree with a lot of this, but I still hope City gets up. The Cowboys are every Broncos fan's 2nd team but that may just be because they're far away and there's no real tension. A city derby could be very different.

I'm still unsure about two teams in the City and think that trying to present it as a North/South divide would be a terrible strategy since no-one in SEQ sees things that way.

Long(-long)-term I think a better strategy is have a team in each region from the Sunshine Coast to the GC across the first and second divisions. So Sunshine Coast, Moreton Bay, Brisbane (x2), South Side (Ipswich, Logan, etc) and the GC. 

Cheaper than Suncorp, apart from the millions they will have to contribute to the refurb...

Just fucking do something Gallop

They have done everything right by the looks of it, separate smaller stadium which will be cheaper than Suncorp, consortium who look like they have it together compared to the bakries, already bigger history than Roar, going by what I read on here they already have a club house, ground for themselves? Sounds like the can actually make a profit as well. 

think of a lot of reasons. Mostly brisbane is not really a divided city. The general QLDer mentality of us verus the world. 
Hell the broncos v cowboy games in the NRL, is not really a devisive game as at the end of the day QLD wins.
THe only place that people hate is the GC, but no one supports teams on the GC. If people on the coast actually support a team, a good rivalry will form.

Whys that JonoMV?

Brisbane having another team would be stupid. 

@ clivesundies

I'm not sure where this "fear" comment comes from?

Football in SEQ is massive; 35,000 players in Brisbane and 15,000 each on the GC, Sunshine and out West. Roar are shedding young talent regularly because they don't have the capacity at youth level, my own junior club has over 1,600 young players with only one professional team (and no second division) the pathways in QLD are limited. The only fear is that a second team don't get up, and once it's up we need a third team team on either if the coasts of our west. We have the talent we just don't have the teams.

City just presented a cracking bid document, Ipswich is more of a concept and really linked to a second NRL team. Strikers bid is paper thin - no clarity on brand (FC Brisbane City v BCFC), they plan on playing out of Suncorp (which has neither the capacity to host a 4th team with concerts as well as being financially crippling), and the financial backers behind the Strikers are unknown whereas the Sunshine Coast have an Indian billionaire, Ipswich have the council with promises of land for a stadium, and City have a string of local businessmen).

Strikers have time to get their bid in order but right now it's a laughing stock in the football community and is to all intents and purposes, dead in the water. Shame.

So you have seen the strikers bid then have you?
Can you post the link?
So the answer you were looking for was no.
You could have just said no instead of showing your fear for all to see.