So FFV will support the proposed 13 seat Commission model, if they can receive certain guarantees and a timeline for the intro of a 2nd division and P&R..

Now this is the most important bit of the FFV's statement:  they don't trust the HAL clubs any more than they trust the FFA.

And with good reason.

This is actually more complicated than what many on here realise.

One last thing I promise

What happened to

FullBack4

I responded to his queries

Just in case he missed it, I've copied it here too.

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First thing people need to always do BEFORE they begin down the road of Reform is:

A) understand the root causes of failures
B) then work through the entrails of the process & look at the dependencies or linkages that produced those failiures
C) then study the results of the repercussions that those dependencies created (the list is on other threads)

Thats just a basic summary

Now the points I've made in reference to the HAL clubs i think are valid.

The Aleague model/experiment is in many ways over.
It's only a matter of time now.
The FFA has said much the same, that's why they have brought in Deloittes to look at a different/sustainable model. See FFA statement 28 Feb 2017

So the Aussie franchise football club model with its "unique" licencing system lends itself to mediocrity & has brought us to where we are today. If there is anyone that thinks " that all is ok & dandy" they are either fools or been living under a rock.

We need to look beyond our support of franchises or clubs.

Now there's half of the HAL clubs that want to maintain the current monopoly & are fighting the reforms. They are probably on here scribing their thoughts.

And I understand them as they are looking at an environment of change that will probably force them to compete. To compete costs more money, I understand that. But that's the way the game operates world wide.

Remembering the HAL franchises assumed they had a 20 year monopoly (from June 2013 to 2033) !!

So by privatising our game in 2005 we now have to untangle it. It's gonna hurt.

People's intentions back then might have been noble, no problem, but the end result is we now need to reform the game & migrate it to a normal international accepted model or FIFA will forcibly do it for us.

In Victoria they have full promotion/ relegation from state teams to NPL 2 to NPL & back the other way.
Fullback4 please check your facts.
By the way :
HAL clubs are charging kids in Sydney $2500 for their "junior Academies" too. And they are private businesses !!

NPL clubs are all non-for profit member based clubs so whatever they charge goes back to the club & football. Certainly not to shareholders. You gotta check your facts please.

Do NPL clubs need to improve?
Ofcourse they do.

Do we have to reform the game?
Fucken oath we do.

Anyway

Gotta take the missus out, it's her birthday.

Last thing:
This announcent below is significant.
It all but gurantees massive reforms coming soon.

Precisely why we need to question what things would be like if the 10 club owners controlled the A-League tomorrow.

There are no guarantees that they would opt to diminish their investments by giving themselves a one in ten chance of being relegated.

Also, it's a brave assumption that they would willingly share a pretty low revenue base with a bunch of semi-pro clubs.

I nearly chocked on my marinara!!

So we have a potential new owner wishing to join a private business monopoly, arguing against a tried & tested world wide system that rewards excellence, merit & hard work.

I'm just so surprised !!

That's indicative of the incredible mediocrity & flawed thinking we've been acclimatised to.

I think he needs to do some more reading of where things are heading. He's a bit behind the news.

Fortunately for the game, reform is now inevitable.

I'm going back to my now cold pasta. Good night

Yeah I saw that. I thought it was a reasonably question. 

But yes his business plan would be in tatters :D

Ha Ha @ ckeanslater 😂 saw that. Let's see if he replies

As soon as a potential A-league owner is against something you know it must be a good idea. P &  R already keeping him on his toes and he doesn't like it. No one should just have an automatic right to the top tier. This is football. 

They would/should just play as Brisbane City in that instance. 

I asked him a question

It would be amusing if expansion came in the form of a second division and he had to win promotion... on the other hand would he buy into a second division?

Should we all start trolling him with tweets. Not in a nasty way. 

This isnt surprising. He wants to buy/invest his way in. With guaranteed tv revenue and derbies v BR why would he want to get relegated. 

If I owned a club I wouldnt support it either in theory if I was in the A-League... 

Rob Cavallucci, the main figure behind FC Brisbane Citys bid, has tweeted his opposition to pro/rel??

First thing people need to always do BEFORE they begin down the road of Reform is:

A) understand the root causes of failures
B) then work through the entrails of the process & look at the dependencies or linkages that produced those failiures
C) then study the results of the repercussions that those dependencies created (the list is on other threads)

Thats just a basic summary

Now the points I've made in reference to the HAL clubs i think are valid.

The Aleague model/experiment is in many ways over.
It's only a matter of time now.
The FFA has said much the same, that's why they have brought in Deloittes to look at a different/sustainable model. See FFA statement 28 Feb 2017

So the Aussie franchise football club model with its "unique" licencing system lends itself to mediocrity & has brought us to where we are today. If there is anyone that thinks " that all is ok & dandy" they are either fools or been living under a rock.

We need to look beyond our support of franchises or clubs.

Now there's half of the HAL clubs that want to maintain the current monopoly & are fighting the reforms. They are probably on here scribing their thoughts.

And I understand them as they are looking at an environment of change that will probably force them to compete. To compete costs more money, I understand that. But that's way the game operates world wide.

Remembering the HAL franchises assumed they had a 20 year monopoly (from June 2013 to 2033) !!

So by privatising our game in 2005 we now have to untangle it. It's gonna hurt.

People's intentions back then might have been noble, no problem, but the end result is we now need to reform the game & migrate it to a normal international accepted model or FIFA will forcibly do it for us.

In Victoria they have full promotion/ relegation from state teams to NPL 2 to NPL & back the other way.
Fullback4 please check your facts.
By the way :
HAL clubs are charging kids in Sydney $2500 for their "junior Academies" too. And they are private businesses !!

NPL clubs are all non-for profit member based clubs so whatever they charge goes back to the club & football. Certainly not to shareholders. You gotta check your facts please.

Do NPL clubs need to improve?
Ofcourse they do.

Do we have to reform the game?
Fucken oath we do.

Anyway

Gotta take the missus out, it's her birthday.

Last thing:
This announcent below is significant.
It all but gurantees massive reforms coming soon.

Hang on, did someone expect that?
I thought it was just a bit of fun or a school project sort of thing?

Stacks of posters are putting up critical posts about the HAL and FFA.  Why are you picking on Canada?

@ Canada70

If you feel you do not warrant such a response then I await YOUR reply and not some AFL duch-bag. Football needs a uniting force not a divisive force. If you look at your constant critical posts on the HAL how do you expect them to listen and cooperate? The HAL revenues could be shared to create a national division 2 but we need them to cooperate with us not be threatened by us

Youre an AFL stooge. GO AWAY your opinion does not count here

I'm not sure Canada warrants such a response.

For starters, no single person can be a major part of the problem  (apart from maybe one candidate who set the whole thing up).

Also, you correctly point out that football does not need another faction driven agenda, but as we speak, there already exist at least two distinct factions with their own agendas, and I would suggest that no poster on this board is responsible for that being the case.

You are now starting to come across as a bit of a Troll, you're looking more and more like you are part of the problem with Australian football and not part of teh solution. Not everything the HAL clubs have done is wrong, in fact given the FFA interference and model it is amazing what they have done. The challenge now is not to get rid of the HAL but to expand it, and to create a National Second division, and to introduce p/r. and then a third division divided along geography (east/west or north/south) and then sustainable state leagues. We need ALL involved not just a new faction who says "its my time at the trough".

NPL clubs are not perfect, I say that with a Souths hat on, they rip parents off for excessive academy fees, they block p/r at their local level, they fight amongst themselves, the AAFC model for a second division is a crazy 24 two conference systems - why? because they cant agree amongst themselves who should be in and who should be out. crazy, vested self-interest exists at our level as well

Canada70, this sport does not need another agitator - where the HAL clubs can improve we should say so, where they have done well, we should say so, same NPL, One football is needed not a faction driven agenda that you have, disaster awaits your sort

Romsey Rom

Melbourne Gypsies

It's not that unusual for all forms of professional football clubs in Australia to use facilities which are community-owned.

So the point still stands.

To date they're renting public parks & have no 'hard' assets. The same applies for most HAL franchises. They are complying with the minimum standards required.

I believe it's progressed a little further than investigating - it's now at the negotiation stage with Council and all the red tape associated with that. But yes, that is the plan put forward by the club - nice central location in Victory heartland and marry it up with the sports science program at Victoria University.

I think there is also sports medicine specialists who have their practices in AAMI Park, so they can get everything done in the one location. It really is a world class facility, and Gosch's Paddock has always looked in immaculate condition. Besides, I think it's nice that the players are 'easily accessible' for the public - they can simply come down and watch the team go through their paces.

I heard on SEN the other day that the Victory had been investigating building a facility at Footscray Park, across the river from Flemington, next door to the Victoria University campus which has an excellent sports science program.  From memory, Footscray Rugby used to be located at Footscray Park.

True Walnuts.
MVFC use all the gym, recovery facilities @ AAMI Park which is apparently first class.

Melbourne Demons also use Gosch's paddock too and it hasn't been a hindrance to them either.

To be fair, that public park you speak of is adjacent to some of the best sports facilities in the country in AAMI Park - there is a reason why the Victory, Demons, Storm and Rebels all have their administrative and training base situated within AAMI Park. If anything, Victory having the best facilities (at least for their senior side) in the country at AAMI Park has been quite detrimental to the development of an Academy/training base as there has been no incentive to move - City had that incentive, hence why the excellent facilities were built at Bundoora.

Sure, they are in the business of developing players and enhancing their brand by winning stuff, for which they invest the requisite infrastructure and resources.

Just imagine if they were not forced to have youth, womens teams etc whether they would bother incurring the expense

They don't just have a Womens and Youth team, they have the benchmark womens and youth teams.