Hyundai A-league attendance Season 2017/18


Hyundai A-league attendance Season 2017/18

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No one is there at this game
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Davo1985 - 4 Nov 2017 8:00 AM
Mark457 - 29 Oct 2017 7:46 PM

I don't know how many times I have said this but people tend to always forget the element of consecutive home games and the effect it has. Sydney has played 3 home games in a row! With the derby being wedged in the middle. So it is extremely unlikely that the same fans are going to 3 home games in a row. Attendance fatigue can set in. It's not as if it's a different set of fans attending all 3 games, the majority would of the fans there are the one's that went the week before, however  proportion say 30-40% will not go to 3 home games in a row. It's just not plausible.

If the 3 latest home games had been spread out over 5-6 week period the crowds would have been boosted. No doubt about it. The next home game is against the Jets in 2 weeks time, which will mean 3 weeks since the last home game. It will get the biggest crowd of the season (bar the derby) by quite some margin.



Quite a few seasons ago now the stat came out that about 25% of members don't turn up in any given week and that was a League wide average.  I'd be surprised if that isn't still the case.
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Fri W-league - @MelbourneCity v @gomvfc at @AAMIPark -
Attendance: 3,510

Fri W-league - @wswanderersfc
 v @AUFCWomen at Marconi Stadium - Attendance: 532


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Davo1985 - 4 Nov 2017 8:00 AM
Mark457 - 29 Oct 2017 7:46 PM

I don't know how many times I have said this but people tend to always forget the element of consecutive home games and the effect it has. Sydney has played 3 home games in a row! With the derby being wedged in the middle. So it is extremely unlikely that the same fans are going to 3 home games in a row. Attendance fatigue can set in. It's not as if it's a different set of fans attending all 3 games, the majority would of the fans there are the one's that went the week before, however  proportion say 30-40% will not go to 3 home games in a row. It's just not plausible.

If the 3 latest home games had been spread out over 5-6 week period the crowds would have been boosted. No doubt about it. The next home game is against the Jets in 2 weeks time, which will mean 3 weeks since the last home game. It will get the biggest crowd of the season (bar the derby) by quite some margin.


you had 4 months between home games and got 11k in round 1

Excuses excuses excuses


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Exactly.

Premiers. Champions. Record breakers. 'Glamour club'.

11k.
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Jets vs Nix = 6,258



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Glory 11,049
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Waz - 4 Nov 2017 11:43 PM
Glory 11,049

Great to see the Glory slowly getting back to where they should be
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Roar v Mariners = 11,485



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MrBrisbane - 5 Nov 2017 7:56 PM
Roar v Mariners = 11,485

Fuck off there was.


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11,000 was about right. The stadium is full in parts but what is televised is a mixture of people and empty seats. Suncorp awesome location but just too big in Roars current status. I imagine another QLD team could be a reality if it counters playing out of this giant stadium.
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Thought we had more than 11.5k yesterday to be honest. Maybe the rumours of under reporting are true.
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MrBrisbane - 5 Nov 2017 7:56 PM
Roar v Mariners = 11,485

Is that up to Maccarone's standards?
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azzaMVFC - 6 Nov 2017 10:40 AM
MrBrisbane - 5 Nov 2017 7:56 PM

Is that up to Maccarone's standards?

:laugh: I'm thinking it won't get much better than that considering how bad Brisbane are playing. Even the fixtures for Victory and Sydney will likely only pull 14-15k max I reckon, depending on whether Brisbane get their shit together. 




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azzaMVFC - 6 Nov 2017 10:40 AM
MrBrisbane - 5 Nov 2017 7:56 PM

Is that up to Maccarone's standards?

The funny thing is his last club Empoli had smaller crowds than Brisbane last year (9, 483 average in 16-17), despite being in one of the world's top leagues. 

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@ sydneyfc

Empoli has a population of 48,000 - Gosforth even looks big in comparison.

Brisbane has a population of 2 million and Sydney 5 million. All Maccarone has done is say the Emperor has no clothes and Australian football fans are getting bent out of shape 😂


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Waz - 6 Nov 2017 3:56 PM
@ sydneyfcEmpoli has a population of 48,000 - Gosforth even looks big in comparison. Brisbane has a population of 2 million and Sydney 5 million. All Maccarone has done is say the Emperor has no clothes and Australian football fans are getting bent out of shape 😂

If anyone but a Brisbane player had said the same you would be saying the opposite.


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@Davide82.

yeah, nah, maybe. I don’t think I’d have paid as much attention to the story though so fair call ...

I think I’m on record as saying Brisbane should be averaging 18k and so too SFC/WSW with their non derby crowds.

Plenty of people have been saying Brisbane play in a stadium that’s too big and get crowds that are too small. After visiting City and Nix away and two home games that’s all Maccarone has said too, so why the attack dogs?

Empoli has a population of 48,000 and averages nearly 10,000 ..... and plays in a 16,000 capacity stadium.

Surely Nix would be better in a 16,000 capacity stadium, and City?? And Roar.

How good did 11.5k look in Perth compared to 11.5k in Brisbane over the weekend?
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Waz - 6 Nov 2017 3:56 PM
@ sydneyfcEmpoli has a population of 48,000 - Gosforth even looks big in comparison. Brisbane has a population of 2 million and Sydney 5 million. All Maccarone has done is say the Emperor has no clothes and Australian football fans are getting bent out of shape 😂

Shouldn't have got me started. 

Apples and oranges. Italy lives and breathes football. Empoli were in one of the worlds top leagues last season and I imagine there would be sizeable away support at each home match. 

Plus you can't compare population statistics for a 'city' to a wider metropolitan region. Empoli is part of the wider metropolitan area of Florence, which has a population of over 1 million. When people say Sydney has a population over over 5 million that generally includes places like Gosford, Wollongong, sometimes even Newcastle. 

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Yeah but nah, SydneyFC

Empoli average crowds of almost 10k in a 16k stadium.

He’s just pointing out the bleeding obvious, we’re putting similar crowds into stadiums 2 or 3 times that size.

Many people have said it in the past - we need boutique stadiums.

Shouldn’t be shooting the messenger - and especially not shooting him ignoring the facts behind what he’s saying.

And Florence has a team of it’s own - but again it’s funny how people say The Gong should have its own team and not be expected to support a new Southern Sydney team but somehow people then think people in Florence should not follow their existing home team and go for Empoli instead.

It’s twisted logic - football is established in Italy, it’s not Australia where fans are more “sports fans” than soccer fans and drift between big games in each code. European football culture is one where you follow your team not your neighbours.
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Waz - 6 Nov 2017 5:32 PM
And Florence has a team of it’s own - but again it’s funny how people say The Gong should have its own team and not be expected to support a new Southern Sydney team but somehow people then think people in Florence should not follow their existing home team and go for Empoli instead.


Again you are comparing the incomparable. Football fandom in Italy is multi-generational. Many Empoli fans likely live outside Empoli in Florence, Livorno etc for work and travel 30-45 minutes to the game. They would support Empoli because they were born there, or their parents/ Grandparents were fans. 




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Doesn’t matter how many Empoli fans live outside of Empoli. They play in a 16k capacity stadium and average 10k ... that seems appropriate. That was the point being made, by bringing up Empoli some people have been trying to undermine what Maccarone has said when in fact it reinforces the very point he was trying to make - teams who draw small crowds should play in small stadiums. Where’s the argument with that. We should be more like Empoli.
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Would love Boutique stadiums as an alternative to Roar, Sydney and the Phoenix. However, it just won't happen. The Phoenix tried building one in Petone but it was scraped. The Roar and Sydney both are in locations that are central and every other option just makes it problematic for the team. If teams had them It would certainly put to bed crowd numbers.  
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The MLS has proved building stadiums for your crowd potential works well from the table below its easy to see they have reasonably full stadiums...just a couple of points Atlanta & Seattle have played at larger stadiums for some games which adds to their overall % being so high....also the Columbus Crew wants to move to a larger stadium in a better location..

However it does highlight the point Waz was making... 

  
Team
Crowd Average
Stadium Capicity
% Capacity
Atlanta United FC
48,200
43,000
112 .1
Chicago Fire
17,383
20,000
86.7
Colorado Rapids
15,322
17,424
87.9
Columbus Crew SC
15,439
19,868
77.7
DC United
18,157
20,000
90.7
FC Dallas
15,122
20,500
73.8
Houston Dynamo
17,500
22,039
79.4
Los Angeles Galaxy
22,246
27,000
82.4
Minnesota United FC
20,538
19,400
106
Montreal Impact
20,046
20,801
96.4
New England Revolution
19,367
20,000
96.8
New York City FC
22,321
27,528
89.3
New York Red Bulls
21,175
25,000
84.7
Orlando City SC
25,028
25,000
100
Philadelphia Union
16,812
18,500
90.9
Portland Timbers
21,144
21,144
100
Real Salt Lake
18,781
20,213
92.9
San Jose Earthquakes
19,875
18,000
110
Seattle Sounders FC
43,666
39,115
112
Sporting Kansas City
19,537
18,467
106
Toronto FC
27,647
30,000
92.2
Vancouver Whitecaps FC
21,467
21,000
102




Average
22,124
23, 368
94.7

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New York City, Vancouver, Seattle, Atlanta, dc united and maybe a few others play in huge stadiums but they close off the top tiers, occasionally for the odd blockbuster they open the lot if they're confident of a sell out. Nobody trully believes Yankee stadium only fits 27k lol.
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Mark457 - 6 Nov 2017 8:48 PM
Would love Boutique stadiums as an alternative to Roar, Sydney and the Phoenix. However, it just won't happen. The Phoenix tried building one in Petone but it was scraped. The Roar and Sydney both are in locations that are central and every other option just makes it problematic for the team. If teams had them It would certainly put to bed crowd numbers.  

Perry Park and St George Stadium seem reasonably well positioned?
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Mark457 - 6 Nov 2017 8:48 PM
Would love Boutique stadiums as an alternative to Roar, Sydney and the Phoenix. However, it just won't happen. The Phoenix tried building one in Petone but it was scraped. The Roar and Sydney both are in locations that are central and every other option just makes it problematic for the team. If teams had them It would certainly put to bed crowd numbers.  
The Petone proposal wasn't scrapped by the club per se, rather the nimby locals shot it down and the club weren't motivated enough to find a plan B


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MV v WSW - 21577
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bohemia - 7 Nov 2017 3:37 AM
MV v WSW - 21577

Such a better atmosphere with the seats in.
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Midfielder - 6 Nov 2017 10:37 PM
The MLS has proved building stadiums for your crowd potential works well from the table below its easy to see they have reasonably full stadiums...just a couple of points Atlanta & Seattle have played at larger stadiums for some games which adds to their overall % being so high....also the Columbus Crew wants to move to a larger stadium in a better location..

However it does highlight the point Waz was making... 
  
Team
Crowd Average
Stadium Capicity
% Capacity
Atlanta United FC
48,200
43,000
112 .1
Chicago Fire
17,383
20,000
86.7
Colorado Rapids
15,322
17,424
87.9
Columbus Crew SC
15,439
19,868
77.7
DC United
18,157
20,000
90.7
FC Dallas
15,122
20,500
73.8
Houston Dynamo
17,500
22,039
79.4
Los Angeles Galaxy
22,246
27,000
82.4
Minnesota United FC
20,538
19,400
106
Montreal Impact
20,046
20,801
96.4
New England Revolution
19,367
20,000
96.8
New York City FC
22,321
27,528
89.3
New York Red Bulls
21,175
25,000
84.7
Orlando City SC
25,028
25,000
100
Philadelphia Union
16,812
18,500
90.9
Portland Timbers
21,144
21,144
100
Real Salt Lake
18,781
20,213
92.9
San Jose Earthquakes
19,875
18,000
110
Seattle Sounders FC
43,666
39,115
112
Sporting Kansas City
19,537
18,467
106
Toronto FC
27,647
30,000
92.2
Vancouver Whitecaps FC
21,467
21,000
102




Average
22,124
23, 368
94.7

But what happens when a team grows? Do they knock the stadium down and build a bigger one?

And who pays for these stadiums where the only ROI is better looking games on TV?

Look at how the AFL went about the West Sydney situation. They had a 10k stadium. They demanded a 25k seater while the opportunity for funding and development was there

10-15 years down the track they have a perfect venue




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