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Should of went for Sancho looked good against chelsea... nutmegging people for fun... he could really use a proper tricky winger to break down defenses I dont think Son has it anymore he's better in the transition/counter.
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I saw a comment someone made on a spurs social media platform. 

They said " Playing against Ange is like playing someone in rock, paper, scissors who always picks rock so its easy to beat them"
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grazorblade - 14 Sep 2024 8:51 PM
bump for the record

Ah back in the days where "constructive criticism" was touch more personal..... and our beef with players not in form revolved around them not getting minutes for their EPL clubs.....
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bump for the record
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BETHFC - 6 Sep 2017 10:51 AM
paulbagzFC - 6 Sep 2017 10:19 AM

I believe so. I think he came on as a late sub once for Bournemouth this season.

Bournemouth would beat Thailand
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paulbagzFC - 6 Sep 2017 10:19 AM
BETHFC - 6 Sep 2017 9:47 AM

More minutes for the NT than the club atm isn't it?

-PB

I believe so. I think he came on as a late sub once for Bournemouth this season.

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BETHFC - 6 Sep 2017 9:47 AM
inala brah - 2 Sep 2017 5:39 PM

How Brad Smith got a game is beyond me. He's hardly played for Bournemouth.

More minutes for the NT than the club atm isn't it?

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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inala brah - 2 Sep 2017 5:39 PM
hames_jetfield - 1 Sep 2017 3:00 PM

the formation is not the problem

ange is suffering from the same shit as holger was at this stage in the campaign.  they need to reward form and game time at club.  you cant just pick a team and stick with it regardless of club form.  you end up with rusty players making poor decisions and being off the pace.

How Brad Smith got a game is beyond me. He's hardly played for Bournemouth.

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newton_circus - 4 Sep 2017 3:22 PM
jas88 - 4 Sep 2017 2:49 PM

If we beat Thailand 1-0 , and we qualify because the Saudis lost to Japan..   he still should go.

Let him get us over the line and then sack him...  give him a taste of his own treatment,,,  just ask Josh Kennedy how it feels.



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n i k o - 5 Sep 2017 3:45 AM
I'm not for a second advocating to copy Huddersfield. It was merely a point of reference made to highlight the difference between two managers.

I spose we shouldn't be surprised by the way that Huddersfield plays , after all Wagner did serve his apprenticeship under Klopp

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I'm not for a second advocating to copy Huddersfield. It was merely a point of reference made to highlight the difference between two managers.
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n i k o - 4 Sep 2017 11:53 PM
Best example is how Huddersfield plays. A combination of high pressing intense football. Attacking play is a mix of short passing and directness which includes long balls. Basically whatever is needed to get the ball towards the goals in the most efficient and effective way to score goals.

This is our problem though, we are always looking at other teams "Spain passed it and kept possession and won so we should do the same and we will win" "Chelsea had 3 at the back and won the EPL so we should do that" we need to have our own style of play, to suit our players , the way we started against Chile was perfect, imagine if we worked as hard on creating our own style to suit our big strikers, quick wingers and tricky midfielders as we did in trying to be Spain and Chelsea combined?
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Best example is how Huddersfield plays. A combination of high pressing intense football. Attacking play is a mix of short passing and directness which includes long balls. Basically whatever is needed to get the ball towards the goals in the most efficient and effective way to score goals.
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-Inability to mix it up tactically. We kept on repeating ourselves all night against Japan, when it was obvious it wasn't working. We need to make them believe we play one way then change it so that they are stretched as a team and we can run into the gaps.
-Always playing out of the back and getting bogged down in the centre. Attacking quickly isn't just long balling it. No Plan B
-Rather than capitalizing and learning on what works best for our players he is trying to force them along to be Barca. Sure, he thinks because of all of our midfielders we should have 3atb with big engined Smith and Leckie to range back to be 5, but if teams target Smith then soon we are 3v3 territory. Need to adjust to suit our players rather than forcing it. We are currently just hemorrhaging goals, yet he insist on not changing things.
-Weird belief that possession alone will win games. Having 70% possession in our own half, when we can't mount a meaningful attack, and give the ball away due to poor passing or poor 1v1 will never win us a game. They won't be able to attack while we have possession, but if we can't use it effectively then surely we are just waiting around for them to score?
-Smith desperately needs to sort out his club career. Get a gig in the A-league, somewhere where he can play regular week in and week out football will help him immensely. 
-Kruse isn't a natural stand alone striker. He isn't one to hold the ball up, or pull off a snap strike. He runs well into space, but not a striker.
-Ryan didn't have a great a,e against Japan, his distribution was way off...


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hotrod - 4 Sep 2017 4:45 PM
433 - 4 Sep 2017 4:39 PM

Agreed.

Just play 4 ATB, and play to our strengths which is a high pressing game.  Chuck in some speedy wingers and Juric to hold things up and we have a plan to play to our strengths.

The current 3 ATB and play out at all costs is trying to put a collective square peg in a round hole.  It will fit, but there are still gaps.

Example was the 2nd goal against Japan.

Compare that to how the Matildas play.  High pressing plays, long balls, short balls, playing out from the back.  Mix it up fucken.

Farken this !!!
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jas88 - 4 Sep 2017 2:47 PM
can't remember Barca ever needing to play 3 at the back as they could dominate possession without the extra man in the midfield.... play to our strengths.. when you look at our players... if we played a high intensity, high press but actually try to play on the counter and go full speed as as soon as we win the ball back... guys like Mabil, Leckie and Kruse will have a field day.

i thought our best work was with the 442 diamond.  we were solid as fuck.  

 




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Munrubenmuz - 4 Sep 2017 4:48 PM
hotrod - 4 Sep 2017 4:45 PM

Yep.  Bang on.

The matildas could tactically show the socceroos a thing or too that's for sure.  

And all done on probably a tenth of the cost too.



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newton_circus - 4 Sep 2017 3:22 PM
jas88 - 4 Sep 2017 2:49 PM

If we beat Thailand 1-0 , and we qualify because the Saudis lost to Japan..   he still should go.

Let him get us over the line and then sack him...  give him a taste of his own treatment,,,  just ask Josh Kennedy how it feels.

Sounds good. He came into the job under similar circumstances.

If by some miracle we make it to the WC, under Ange will get slaughtered no matter who we play.

If we lose he goes and the players know it, who wants to give 110% for the karnt that won't be there very soon.
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hotrod - 4 Sep 2017 4:45 PM
433 - 4 Sep 2017 4:39 PM

Agreed.

Just play 4 ATB, and play to our strengths which is a high pressing game.  Chuck in some speedy wingers and Juric to hold things up and we have a plan to play to our strengths.

The current 3 ATB and play out at all costs is trying to put a collective square peg in a round hole.  It will fit, but there are still gaps.

Example was the 2nd goal against Japan.

Compare that to how the Matildas play.  High pressing plays, long balls, short balls, playing out from the back.  Mix it up fucken.

Yep.  Bang on.

The matildas could tactically show the socceroos a thing or too that's for sure.  

And all done on probably a tenth of the cost too.





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433 - 4 Sep 2017 4:39 PM
n i k o - 4 Sep 2017 2:03 PM

Bingo

Agreed.

Just play 4 ATB, and play to our strengths which is a high pressing game.  Chuck in some speedy wingers and Juric to hold things up and we have a plan to play to our strengths.

The current 3 ATB and play out at all costs is trying to put a collective square peg in a round hole.  It will fit, but there are still gaps.

Example was the 2nd goal against Japan.

Compare that to how the Matildas play.  High pressing plays, long balls, short balls, playing out from the back.  Mix it up fucken.




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n i k o - 4 Sep 2017 2:03 PM
All this bullshit about Ange having vision for the future haha. He said it himself he's leaving after the World Cup. To think someone will take his 'philosophy' for the national team and carry it on is ridiculous. It all falls back on Ange treating the NT as a club that trains week in week out together rather than a collection of players that never play together from all parts of the world. And the crux of the problem is Ange has tried to force players into his system rather than finding the right system for the players he has.

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jas88 - 4 Sep 2017 2:49 PM
WSF - 2 Sep 2017 5:51 PM

if we cant beat Thailand away we shouldn't be there tbh...

If we beat Thailand 1-0 , and we qualify because the Saudis lost to Japan..   he still should go.

Let him get us over the line and then sack him...  give him a taste of his own treatment,,,  just ask Josh Kennedy how it feels.

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WSF - 2 Sep 2017 5:51 PM
T-UNIT - 2 Sep 2017 5:33 PM

If we go to the playoffs he should be sacked, if he can't beat Thailand at home lets face it, he should go.

if we cant beat Thailand away we shouldn't be there tbh...
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can't remember Barca ever needing to play 3 at the back as they could dominate possession without the extra man in the midfield.... play to our strengths.. when you look at our players... if we played a high intensity, high press but actually try to play on the counter and go full speed as as soon as we win the ball back... guys like Mabil, Leckie and Kruse will have a field day.
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I don't agree with the idea that we should have parked the bus and that a point will have magically appeared from that, keep in mind we use to go to Japan with much better teams and schwarzer would pull 6-7 ridiculous saves out of his backside to keep us in it. You won't be getting that from Ryan or langerak that's just reality.

My problem with Ange rests with the team selection, Smith etc, my only real tactical gripe with him is his clear instruction to Ryan to play out at all costs. It's crazy.

Basically 75% of Ange is good, the 25% that's stubborn and bad is simply mind blowing.
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All this bullshit about Ange having vision for the future haha. He said it himself he's leaving after the World Cup. To think someone will take his 'philosophy' for the national team and carry it on is ridiculous. It all falls back on Ange treating the NT as a club that trains week in week out together rather than a collection of players that never play together from all parts of the world. And the crux of the problem is Ange has tried to force players into his system rather than finding the right system for the players he has.
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scnertho - 4 Sep 2017 1:58 PM
slipperypigeon - 4 Sep 2017 1:46 PM

Yes.

He's going anyway
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slipperypigeon - 4 Sep 2017 1:46 PM
Should Ange be sacked if we don't qualify directly? What does everyone think?

Yes.
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Should Ange be sacked if we don't qualify directly? What does everyone think?
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Strayan - 2 Sep 2017 6:32 PM
I judge a team's performance and coach's tactics not on how many passes you have between defenders and centre midfielders in your own half but on the quality of attacking plays. Outcomes measurable in shots at goal, corners won, dangerous balls into penalty box, etc. 

The Chile game in recent memory is the only time I was happy with the team's performance. Hard tacka, aggressive defensive pressing and high octane attacking plays. It can be argued that it was Timmy Cahill who led the team to play that way, and not Ange's tactics and philosophy finally getting realized. 

It was Timmy, fuck me I'd have Timmy as manager over ange
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