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NZ lose 2:1 in Japan after an 88th min winner. Wood scored on 50 and Ried played. They achieved something we couldn't. Japan with a fairly good side out. 
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Bitedge - 6 Oct 2017 10:45 PM
johnszasz - 6 Oct 2017 10:36 PM

The card counts on that link go back to 2015. I guess there was a re-set some time, like between round 2 and round 3? But no rest between round 3 and this playoff tie.

If that is the case the 1st of Wright's cards would have been reset and the suspension was due to the 2 yellow cards in round 3.

That's my best guess, not sure though. I recon the Arabic language Syrian media and fan forums would be talking about the suspensions if I am correct.

Yeah and they'd probably be in the know. I recall Mooy being suspended for the UAE match. He got yellows in both Iraq games in round 3.

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries/statistics/asia/player/disciplinary.html

This table here counts all rounds. The suspension quantity looks to have been reset after round 2
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johnszasz - 6 Oct 2017 10:36 PM
Bitedge - 6 Oct 2017 10:14 PM

Ok so it's two yellows then? I saw Mooy, Leckie and Rogic on 2 each. Mooy missed the UAE home game right? I can't recall the other two missing out. 

Wright is currently on 3 and that brought about his suspension. I thought it was 3? Milligan is now on 4 yellows. Would that mean another suspension after serving a ban for the first 2?

The card counts on that link go back to 2015. I guess there was a re-set some time, like between round 2 and round 3? But no rest between round 3 and this playoff tie.

If that is the case the 1st of Wright's cards would have been reset and the suspension was due to the 2 yellow cards in round 3.

That's my best guess, not sure though. I recon the Arabic language Syrian media and fan forums would be talking about the suspensions if I am correct.
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Syria are a very competitive side to say the least, and many teams would have struggled to beat them last night. I felt sure we would win up until the Juric misses..mid way through the second half we should have brought on defensive players to kill the game off and make sure of the win. Instead, Ange puts on Rukavitsya and Luongo- useless!

All to play for at home now, and at least we have an away goal. If it is true about the suspended Syrian players, surely we can be confident of winning.
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Bitedge - 6 Oct 2017 10:14 PM
I have more info on the suspension situation . This is from online research so could be wong.

2 yellow cards = suspention

The card count does not reset between rounds

Mark Milligan had 2 yellow cards and served a suspension, he then got another yellow card last night. This does not result in another suspension, the card count resets after a player serves a suspension.

Australia have no players suspended for game 2 of this tie.

Syria have 3 top players that got a 2nd card last night and are suspended for the next game.

Hadi Al Masri
Khaled Mobayed
Omar Khribin

They are all regular first team starters who play their club football abroad. I dont think the Syrian team is known for its depth.

Ok so it's two yellows then? I saw Mooy, Leckie and Rogic on 2 each. Mooy missed the UAE home game right? I can't recall the other two missing out. 

Wright is currently on 3 and that brought about his suspension. I thought it was 3? Milligan is now on 4 yellows. Would that mean another suspension after serving a ban for the first 2?
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I have more info on the suspension situation . This is from online research so could be wong.

2 yellow cards = suspention

The card count does not reset between rounds

Mark Milligan had 2 yellow cards and served a suspension, he then got another yellow card last night. This does not result in another suspension, the card count resets after a player serves a suspension.

Australia have no players suspended for game 2 of this tie.

Syria have 3 top players that got a 2nd card last night and are suspended for the next game.

Hadi Al Masri
Khaled Mobayed
Omar Khribin

They are all regular first team starters who play their club football abroad. I dont think the Syrian team is known for its depth.

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433 - 6 Oct 2017 8:27 PM
alvn1 - 6 Oct 2017 8:18 PM

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They were all over us second half? 


they tried hard after going behind, but i felt there was no fear we were going to lose the match, I could see syria just didnt have the belief
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alvn1 - 6 Oct 2017 8:18 PM
credit to ange when with the right formation and mission accomplished, could have been even better if not for very soft penalty award. never felt syria were likely to score otherwise

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They were all over us second half? 

For some reason we reverted to this pass-through-the-lines rubbish when we were being pressed, when really we should've kept bombing long balls in behind for our quick players. It beggars belief why we persisted with passing out from the back into midfielders with 2 Syrians at their back, when instead we should've done what we did in the first half and play on the break. 
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hotrod - 6 Oct 2017 7:54 PM
johnszasz - 6 Oct 2017 7:38 PM

Has it been confirmed we are playing away (if we win) in the inter-continental playoff first leg?

Asia has the home leg last. All confirmed I believe. The Wikipedia has been set up like that convincingly for quiet a while. 
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credit to ange when with the right formation and mission accomplished, could have been even better if not for very soft penalty award. never felt syria were likely to score otherwise
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johnszasz - 6 Oct 2017 7:38 PM
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries/statistics/asia/player/disciplinary.html

I trust this has been updated. Wright had 3 and was suspended. This would mean  Kharbin is out. Al Masri got a yellow but that might only be his 2nd?

Concerning is Mooy Rogic and Leckie are on two yellows and if they carry over, they'd miss the away leg. 

Has it been confirmed we are playing away (if we win) in the inter-continental playoff first leg?




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http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries/statistics/asia/player/disciplinary.html

I trust this has been updated. Wright had 3 and was suspended. This would mean  Kharbin is out. Al Masri got a yellow but that might only be his 2nd?

Concerning is Mooy Rogic and Leckie are on two yellows and if they carry over, they'd miss the away leg. 
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Watched the replay. That Juric chance just defies belief. It was all there. 1st half was solid and really the Syria chances were quite poor. Ryan made a good save early on and then Syria came well but with mostly offsides. 

The post rebound saw the ball was already out and the penalty, well... If only we'd held on we'd be much more buoyant. The squad appear more optimistic than we do. Sainsbury got a good header at the death. This stuff bodes well. 

The mention of 3 Syrians with suspensions. I can't find any info but would imagine some have hit their card limit. 
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Just here because of heavy traffic. Japan vs NZ on in two hours. 
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I know this team would lift so much more with a new manager. There's so much complacency and they're too comfortable. I think there's also a lack of leadership. Milligan is alright but I think we muss Jedinak's presence. He wouldn't be an automatic starter though. 
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syria has very strong mental strength perhaps because of their troubled national situation
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SMFC and proud - 6 Oct 2017 11:39 AM
Penalty wasn't there for sure but we got the rub of the green in the last match when Thailand had a clear penalty turned down. Fact of the matter is that Ange simply hasn't got a lot to play with. Not really his responsibility when supposed 'international' standard players can't trap a ball, can't make a basic pass, can't cross, can't finish basic chances, look cumbersome and lost on the field....... apart from Mooy the rest of the squad is sub standard. Not a good sign that there seems to be so many changes to the team from game to game at this stage of qualification. The last 2 matches have been completely embarrassing against such weak opponents. Struggling to put away Thailand and Syria!! Massive danger signs.I honestly don't think we are going to qualify.

When did we ever have good squad, even Hiddink said of the golden generation team, that they had heart but were lacking the basic skills.


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grazorblade - 6 Oct 2017 2:46 PM
southmelb - 6 Oct 2017 2:41 PM

good points. 

meanwhile as a queensland state of origin fan I'm baffled by comments that "we should focus on our performance rather than the ref"

queensland fans focus on the ref after every loss.....like every single time. And they have always played like champs

Seriously, you're making a comparison between a mob who play against the same adversaries year in year out? A sport whose head honcho thinks the "world" has 10 countries (or whatever the number is) and to qualify all you have to do is play the game? 
Champs? I know sfa about the game but I'm going to guess that the other mob have won a few as well.
Every code needs a bloke running around blowing a whistle, I'm just surprised that the Confeds cup & the Bundesliga use VAR, yet WCQ don't.
Personally I hate VAR but it looks like it works OK even if it does add 4-5 minutes.
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Bitedge - 6 Oct 2017 3:54 PM
I just chatted with some Syrian fans who say they have next to no chance of winning in Sydney because 3 of their best players are suspended after yellow cards last night. I had not heard anything about it and can't find any mention of suspensions in the english language media.

Does anyone know who is suspended from the Australian and Syran team for the next match?

feel bad for them (assuming they arent involved in ref corruption)
which they werent playing us so i could cheer for them to qualify
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I just chatted with some Syrian fans who say they have next to no chance of winning in Sydney because 3 of their best players are suspended after yellow cards last night. I had not heard anything about it and can't find any mention of suspensions in the english language media.

Does anyone know who is suspended from the Australian and Syran team for the next match?
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quickflick - 6 Oct 2017 3:04 PM
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If you complain about a single refereeing decision, it comes across as  poor sportsmanship. Sometimes the referee makes the wrong call and sometimes he makes a rough call (the latter being the case here, imo).

Particularly if you play poorly and that happens, then it just comes across as making excuses. It's more becoming of a gentleman to silently pissed off and not to make a fuss. Ricky Ponting style (barring the occasional outburst) and to praise the opponent if they deserve it.

By and large, there's no conspiracy.

The annoying thing is that we, Aussies, have a bit of a reputation for whinging.The reputation is largely unfair (we're no worse, or better, than anybody else). But if people go about making a fuss, particularly when this isn't exactly Graham Poll at the World Cup and we just play average for too much of the match, it really worsens that reputation.

who cares.
It was a terrible decision and probably corrupt so I'm calling it out. In the low scoring sport of football single decisions matter a lot
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southmelb - 6 Oct 2017 2:41 PM

good points. 

meanwhile as a queensland state of origin fan I'm baffled by comments that "we should focus on our performance rather than the ref"

queensland fans focus on the ref after every loss.....like every single time. And they have always played like champs

If you complain about a single refereeing decision, it comes across as  poor sportsmanship. Sometimes the referee makes the wrong call and sometimes he makes a rough call (the latter being the case here, imo).

Particularly if you play poorly and that happens, then it just comes across as making excuses. It's more becoming of a gentleman to silently pissed off and not to make a fuss. Ricky Ponting style (barring the occasional outburst) and to praise the opponent if they deserve it.

By and large, there's no conspiracy.

The annoying thing is that we, Aussies, have a bit of a reputation for whinging.The reputation is largely unfair (we're no worse, or better, than anybody else). But if people go about making a fuss, particularly when this isn't exactly Graham Poll at the World Cup and we just play average for too much of the match, it really worsens that reputation.
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SpongeBobFC - 6 Oct 2017 2:26 PM
Just looking at our 2015 game against Germany we played 433 and we always had a passing outlet with 1-2 touch passes.
Our triangles were evident right across the park and we shifted the ball with speed.
 Now we look clogged up in the middle and we have to fight to string passes together.
Watching Jurics goals for his team that usually has less than 50% possession the ball is swung in from deep or square with the opposition facing their own goals.
allowing Tomi to attack the space.
With Australia there doesn't seem to be that space to attack 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRcWVodzqIk

 

I guess ange changed to a 3-6-1 because our wingers weren't scoring and our fullbacks kept being beaten on the counter

it actually fixed those problems. We stopped conceding from counter attacks and started scoring from open play again

but it created just as many problems as it solved
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southmelb - 6 Oct 2017 2:41 PM
It's funny that people actually expect us to control an entire match on the road from start to finish, of course Syria are gonna get a bit of momentum at some point in the game, the expectations placed on a very average Socceroos outfit are laughable, we should be wrapped with the draw and away goal. These guys are no mugs, you don't get draws against South Korea, Iran and Japan (friendly) if you are completely rubbish.

good points. 

meanwhile as a queensland state of origin fan I'm baffled by comments that "we should focus on our performance rather than the ref"

queensland fans focus on the ref after every loss.....like every single time. And they have always played like champs
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It's funny that people actually expect us to control an entire match on the road from start to finish, of course Syria are gonna get a bit of momentum at some point in the game, the expectations placed on a very average Socceroos outfit are laughable, we should be wrapped with the draw and away goal. These guys are no mugs, you don't get draws against South Korea, Iran and Japan (friendly) if you are completely rubbish.
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I think some of you need to also realise we weren't the only team playing last night.
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Just looking at our 2015 game against Germany we played 433 and we always had a passing outlet with 1-2 touch passes.
Our triangles were evident right across the park and we shifted the ball with speed.
 Now we look clogged up in the middle and we have to fight to string passes together.
Watching Jurics goals for his team that usually has less than 50% possession the ball is swung in from deep or square with the opposition facing their own goals.
allowing Tomi to attack the space.
With Australia there doesn't seem to be that space to attack 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRcWVodzqIk

 
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I am over Ange and his three at the back stubborness.I fully expect him to fall on his sword Tue night.
All Syria need to do is score a goal and force us to try for two goals.We don't keep clean sheets so odds favour Syria scoring.
1-1 and we will be basket cases mentally and lose a penalty shootout.
I have zero confidence that Ryan can save penalties.
I think the fairytail for Syria is a real possibility.
Thankyou umpires,ballboys and goodnight .
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Ange has a motive that doing Plan A better is better than going to a Plan B? Is this mindset starting to affect the team especially away from home? i have a feeling it is.

We play one way for all 90 minutes, when it works its fantastics but when it doesn't we look vulnerable when teams change things up. 
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We fell apart when Ange decided to play a winger/striker who hasn't been anywhere near the squad for his entire tenure as a CAM for 20 minutes when he had two CAMs who have done well in that position in this formation at times sitting on the bench.

There's a difference between being 'bold' and being reckless. It was just mindless gambling and it didn't pay off.
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