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+x+xRisdon, Goodwin and Jurman are definitely considered newbies at the end of this campaign. Who's gone in their place? Spiranovic, Smith and Amini arguably. Not position for position but 3 for 3. Interesting to see Jeggo in there. Obviously good he's been playing but with so many centre mids it makes you wonder. Milligan will be kept and if Kruse or Leckie miss out, it'd be better to have Mabil or Maclaren handy. Left side is covered beautifully. 3 decent players. Could any of them be moved to the right? Unlikely. They are pros after all and should be able to adapt. I expect to see Ryan Degenek Sainsbury Jurman Risdon Mooy Jedinak Behich Irvine Troisi Juric I'd be happy with that for Honduras away. It's going to be a bone cruncher. Who knows how the match will develop? The pitch is likely to be rough that we won't be able to see great Rogic turns. Looking at the side it's actually criminal how good we are with the left side after years of torment there with McKay. We can't fit them all in. Our formation hurts in that we need to employ 3 CB. With the way our players have been currently Degenek Sainsbury Jurman Behich Jedinak Luongo Mooy Kruse Juric Goodwin This would be very interesting. McGowan and Jeggo aren't needed and should be dropped. I feel we should line up something like this, provided Ange sticking with his Back 3: R>L Ryan Degenek, Sainsbury, Jurman Risdon (RWB), Jedi, Irvine, Behich (LWB) Kruse, Mooy, Gersbach Juric (Or Cahill - torn as Cahill's pressing/defensive work against Chile impressive and Juric may do better to start in the Home leg) Gersbach a big call as Troisi or even Ruka more likely. Ange may go for Ruka given his pace on the counter and ability to harry their defence. Though I don't think Ruka brings enough of the quality needed and that showed against Syria. Troisi may be most likely to start in that area this match and he did alright against Chile - He will be Ange's pick. But for me, Behich + Gersbach makes for a more re-inforced flank while still having good effectiveness on the counter, with both well capable on the overlap, with good crossing capability and good turns of pace. Gersbach will be handier when we need to defend a bit deeper too, supporting Behich to double-team their wingers and wide players, to close that space as part of the wider defensive block. I'd rather Goodwin too, above all those options for the LW, but his lack of NT experience sadly counts against him for this big occasion. Risdon a big call too, but the biggest absence is Leckie and we need that defensive capability and support, as too as much experience as possible and Risdon is the clearest option of the rest, especially as reliable utility Milligan also out suspended. I'd rather Risdon over Ryan McGowan or Bailey Wright as their distribution errors in our defensive third have cost us goals before - if they aren't playing in the back three, they shouldn't be on the pitch. We need a specialist out there who has pace and capability to contribute on the counter, more a straight swap for Leckie as possible and Risdon is that player. I think a dual screening set up of Jedi with a fitter Irvine should balance better and alloy Mooy to link and do his thing infront, to unleash the overlapping runners and link up with who ever is upfront, Juric or the less match fit but fresher, big occasion player, Cahill. The back 3 sorted as Jurman really stood up and impressed last game. Here's hoping Kruse is fit enough too, all the more because Leckie is absent so we're lacking that quality and experience on the flanks and he's our primary, perhaps only, counter attacking outlet with his valuable off the ball runs behind opposing defences. Do you think they will notice the extra man?
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GloryPerth
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Woah, lol whoops - thanks Pat. Got confused trying to remember how we lined up recent times.
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Ange has done a brilliant job building depth. It may be a bit if quantity of quality but exposure to the set up is good. The number of players in the current squad who weren't in the Asian cup squad is large.
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Quite a few of them are already together http://www.diez.hn/fotogalerias/1121549-499/asi-fue-el-primer-entrenamiento-de-honduras-de-cara-a-duelos-de-repechaje-ante-australiaI think our lads get 4 days or so. Should be enough.
By now, American Samoa must have realised that Australias 22-0 win over Tonga two days earlier was no fluke.
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Can someone clear this up for me please
Socceroos Website:
2018 FIFA WORLD CUP RUSSIA™ ASIAN QUALIFIER INTERCONTINENTAL PLAY-OFFESTADIO OLÍMPICO METROPOLITANO
SAT 11 NOV, 8.30AM
Fox Sports Website:
Estadio Olimpico Metropolitano, San Pedro Sula, HondurasKick-off: 5pm (local) / 9am Sunday (AEDT)
So is it Sunday morning or Saturday morning our time?
BTW I get that the 9am vs 8:30am is just one being eastern states time vs adelaide time
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+xCan someone clear this up for me please Socceroos Website: 2018 FIFA WORLD CUP RUSSIA™ ASIAN QUALIFIER INTERCONTINENTAL PLAY-OFFESTADIO OLÍMPICO METROPOLITANO SAT 11 NOV, 8.30AMFox Sports Website: Estadio Olimpico Metropolitano, San Pedro Sula, HondurasKick-off: 5pm (local) / 9am Sunday (AEDT)So is it Sunday morning or Saturday morning our time? BTW I get that the 9am vs 8:30am is just one being eastern states time vs adelaide time It's Saturday 8:30 your time.
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Davide82
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+x+xCan someone clear this up for me please Socceroos Website: 2018 FIFA WORLD CUP RUSSIA™ ASIAN QUALIFIER INTERCONTINENTAL PLAY-OFFESTADIO OLÍMPICO METROPOLITANO SAT 11 NOV, 8.30AMFox Sports Website: Estadio Olimpico Metropolitano, San Pedro Sula, HondurasKick-off: 5pm (local) / 9am Sunday (AEDT)So is it Sunday morning or Saturday morning our time? BTW I get that the 9am vs 8:30am is just one being eastern states time vs adelaide time It's Saturday 8:30 your time. Gracias amigo
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Milligan and Leckie may not be the only Socceroos sidelined during the intercontinental playoffs. Perhaps more worrying is the fact nine players will be walking a suspension tightrope in Honduras, meaning they will miss the crucial return leg in Sydney on November 15 with a booking. Recalled captain Mile Jedinak, key players Tom Rogic, Tomi Juric, Robbie Kruse and Massimo Luongo, as well as Ryan McGowan, Jackson Irvine, Milos Degenek and Josh Risdon are all in the gun.
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The above info was on the world game website.
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+xMilligan and Leckie may not be the only Socceroos sidelined during the intercontinental playoffs. Perhaps more worrying is the fact nine players will be walking a suspension tightrope in Honduras, meaning they will miss the crucial return leg in Sydney on November 15 with a booking. Recalled captain Mile Jedinak, key players Tom Rogic, Tomi Juric, Robbie Kruse and Massimo Luongo, as well as Ryan McGowan, Jackson Irvine, Milos Degenek and Josh Risdon are all in the gun. Thanks for bringing that up john! Well we can be relieved that more than less of those are more rotation options and with a full strength side they're squaddies. Jedi filling in for Milligan, Risdon filling in for Leckie - both will be a clean slate and relatively fresh for the Home tie. Rogic more an impact sub or rotated starter who is more likely to feature more prominently in the second Home leg than the Away leg. Luongo really doesn't deserve to feature as he's disappointed with the NT recently, his form down or struggling to fit into our new system - we have better options infront of him like Mooy, Irvine and even Troisi. McGowan too, has dropped down the pecking order quite rightly, his contributions inferior to the form Degenek and Jurman have brought to the NT's defence. Irvine is another rotation option. So only Juric and Kruse are the primary concerns over both legs and even then, it's possible Cahill may start in one of the ties. Kruse has lingering fitness concerns with a niggling injury so may be subbed off before he can even get a card in the away fixture, due to the conditions and his own less than peak condition.
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I cannot believe Jedinak is in line to play the first match.
He has been injured all season, it is impossible that he is match fit and ready to play. DM is going to be a hugely important position in the away game and we don't need an underdone player there. I don't care if he is the captain, he is not match fit, he should not be playing. he should not even be the squad.
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Socceroos to play in extreme heat after Honduras ask for kick-off to be brought forwardThe Socceroos may have to play the away leg of their do-or-die play-off against Honduras in searing temperatures after the central Americans asked FIFA for the kick-off time to be brought forward half an hour due to predicted thunderstorms. Even though it is only 30 minutes earlier, the move could mean the first-half of the match on November 10 (November 11 AEDT) will be played in conditions that are so hot and humid that the match would have to be postponed or delayed if it was being staged in Australia.  Socceroos coach Ange Postecoglou. Photo: Dan HimbrechtsThe notice was submitted to FIFA and Football Federation Australia this week for the match to be moved from 4pm local time to 3.30pm, citing concerns for possible thunderstorms in San Pedro Sula in the afternoon, more than a week before the match is due to be played. The timing of the request has raised some concerns within the Australian camp that the Hondurans may be resorting to "dirty tricks" by trying to unsettle the Socceroos. There is little doubt a revised kick-off time would mean the match would be played at a time when the conditions are at their most uncomfortable for the visitors. Should FIFA approve the match being brought forward to 3.30pm, the temperature would typically be 30 degrees at kick-off, with humidity hovering around 60 per cent. That is the hottest possible conditions before FIFA will mandate drink breaks for players. Both FIFA and the FFA use Wet Bulb Globe Temperature readings to make decisions on delays, breaks and postponement of games during cases of extreme heat. The Wet Bulb Globe Temperature takes into account heat, humidity, wind chill and sunlight. The FFA postpones and/or delays games when the wet bulb reading is 28 degrees and mandates 90 second drink breaks when the WBGT is between 26 and 27.9 degrees. FIFA, however, is far more lenient on playing during heat and only mandates drink breaks at WBGT readings over 32 degrees. Should the first leg of the Socceroos' qualifier against Honduras be brought forward by 30 minutes, the first half will be played with a predicted WBGT of 31 degrees, well beyond what is deemed safe in Australia but at the hottest point before FIFA will sanction drink breaks. A match played in extreme heat could benefit the hosts, who do not have a single member of their 25-man squad playing club football in a cold climate. Sixteen players are based in Honduras, while their overseas players are based in Texas, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Greece and Spain. By contrast, just four members of the Socceroos squad play in Australia, with the overwhelming majority based in Europe. Seven players are in the UK, two in Germany with others playing in Norway, Switzerland, the Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, South Korea and Japan. It's understood Football Federation Australia are set to write to FIFA expressing their preference for the kick-off time to remain at 4pm but are holding little hope of that being the case. Precedence usually suggests preference goes towards home teams and given that the extreme heat will fall marginally below FIFA's more relaxed regulations, it's likely the match will be moved forward. Fairfax Media understands that while the Socceroos are disappointed with the approach from Honduras, the team is well placed to deal with a time shift due to the extensive work done by their fitness and conditioning staff. Fairfax Media sought comment from FFA and the players' union, Professional Footballers Australia but both declined to comment.
Socceroos to play in extreme heat after Honduras ask for kick-off to be brought forward
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as expected the excuses are flooding in early
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+xI cannot believe Jedinak is in line to play the first match. He has been injured all season, it is impossible that he is match fit and ready to play. DM is going to be a hugely important position in the away game and we don't need an underdone player there. I don't care if he is the captain, he is not match fit, he should not be playing. he should not even be the squad. That's a fair call Gruen, but he's featured for Villa very recently and may be just fit enough. This combined with Milligan's suspension calls for drastic action and Jedi's return can't come soon enough. You can't get a match occasion much bigger than this and more than just physical fitness will be required in those match conditions - the big occasion and mental strength and discipline will be needed to not be overcome and to stay composed and to task. Jedi's on-field leadership and assuredness will be especially important in that context.
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+xas expected the excuses are flooding in early These aren't excuses, but typcial gamesmanship by the hosts to edge every advantage. I'm sure Uruguay tried to do similar and more back in 2001 and 2005. We just fight for what our rights are under FIFA and roll with the variables. Adds to the adversity maybe, but also the character and it could back-fire for them too, with their own needed recovery and post-match travel plans. If we can survive that first-half, conditions relieve a bit and if the result isn't going their way, they get desperate and we get more counter-attacking chances.
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+x+xI cannot believe Jedinak is in line to play the first match. He has been injured all season, it is impossible that he is match fit and ready to play. DM is going to be a hugely important position in the away game and we don't need an underdone player there. I don't care if he is the captain, he is not match fit, he should not be playing. he should not even be the squad. That's a fair call Gruen, but he's featured for Villa very recently and may be just fit enough. This combined with Milligan's suspension calls for drastic action and Jedi's return can't come soon enough. You can't get a match occasion much bigger than this and more than just physical fitness will be required in those match conditions - the big occasion and mental strength and discipline will be needed to not be overcome and to stay composed and to task. Jedi's on-field leadership and assuredness will be especially important in that context. Fair point by Gruen, good counter by GP. I think that last point is the key, will be very difficult conditions (physically and mentally) and Jedi brings a lot to the table in this sort of environment. He's now played two 30 minute stints with one more game to come before the WC play-off. Jedi shouldn't be asked to play the whole 90, but I think 60 minutes is reasonable and what is required in this situation.
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+x+x+xI cannot believe Jedinak is in line to play the first match. He has been injured all season, it is impossible that he is match fit and ready to play. DM is going to be a hugely important position in the away game and we don't need an underdone player there. I don't care if he is the captain, he is not match fit, he should not be playing. he should not even be the squad. That's a fair call Gruen, but he's featured for Villa very recently and may be just fit enough. This combined with Milligan's suspension calls for drastic action and Jedi's return can't come soon enough. You can't get a match occasion much bigger than this and more than just physical fitness will be required in those match conditions - the big occasion and mental strength and discipline will be needed to not be overcome and to stay composed and to task. Jedi's on-field leadership and assuredness will be especially important in that context. Fair point by Gruen, good counter by GP. I think that last point is the key, will be very difficult conditions (physically and mentally) and Jedi brings a lot to the table in this sort of environment. He's now played two 30 minute stints with one more game to come before the WC play-off. Jedi shouldn't be asked to play the whole 90, but I think 60 minutes is reasonable and what is required in this situation. Which brings the next question. Do you start him, or have him come off the bench. If he starts, he won't last the full game, and will probably not be up to the trip back to Aust or the second leg. If he comes off the bench, the scores may be already blown. Given that there is a ready replacement in Milligan for the home leg, and the likes of Luongo or Irvine can do the job over the end game in Honduras, I would start him there and let him fly back to England after the game.
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+x+x+x+xI cannot believe Jedinak is in line to play the first match. He has been injured all season, it is impossible that he is match fit and ready to play. DM is going to be a hugely important position in the away game and we don't need an underdone player there. I don't care if he is the captain, he is not match fit, he should not be playing. he should not even be the squad. That's a fair call Gruen, but he's featured for Villa very recently and may be just fit enough. This combined with Milligan's suspension calls for drastic action and Jedi's return can't come soon enough. You can't get a match occasion much bigger than this and more than just physical fitness will be required in those match conditions - the big occasion and mental strength and discipline will be needed to not be overcome and to stay composed and to task. Jedi's on-field leadership and assuredness will be especially important in that context. Fair point by Gruen, good counter by GP. I think that last point is the key, will be very difficult conditions (physically and mentally) and Jedi brings a lot to the table in this sort of environment. He's now played two 30 minute stints with one more game to come before the WC play-off. Jedi shouldn't be asked to play the whole 90, but I think 60 minutes is reasonable and what is required in this situation. Which brings the next question. Do you start him, or have him come off the bench. If he starts, he won't last the full game, and will probably not be up to the trip back to Aust or the second leg. If he comes off the bench, the scores may be already blown. Given that there is a ready replacement in Milligan for the home leg, and the likes of Luongo or Irvine can do the job over the end game in Honduras, I would start him there and let him fly back to England after the game. I think like Griff1 said, he needs to start atleast and see how long he can last. Our team needs to ride out the first 60 minutes or so, weather the storm they will throw at us. We can sub him later with Irvine or another late game, depending on the needs of the situation too. Interesting idea to let him leave early for the second leg but that's a risk, these aren't Friendlies, especially as he's our best penalty taker. The second match could well come down to penalties again, ala 2005. Like Ange has said, it's all about these two games, so once these players are in the squad and camp environment, it's that narrow focus. Will be interesting to see how the line-up changes for the Home leg.
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Clearly Jedinak playing 2 times 30 minutes is better than no football at all in the lead in. I am not as convinced as others that it is a good idea to start a DM expecting him to last 60 minutes and use up one of 3 subs unless the other options for his position are not up to scratch. Not starting games would be the biggest problem given coming on in the last 30 of the game against tired players is slightly easier than playing the first 30-45 minutes.
I get that experience will be vital (see Cahill vs Syria) and with Leckie and Miligan suspended I expect at least one of Kruse or Jedinak to start the first leg if fit and Cahill to be a certainty if either of that duo are on the bench. Regardless of formation and personnel choices Australia need the starting 11 and subs to all play extremely well and be efficient in front of goal in the first 90 minutes.
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btw the request for an earlier kick off has been denied. The original kickoff time of 4:00pm Honduras time stands.
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we need Jedi, Luongo or Irvine will get dominated against Honduras.. very big physical team.
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+xwe need Jedi, Luongo or Irvine will get dominated against Honduras.. very big physical team. Luongo and Irvine are regular midfield starters in the English Championship, is there a more physical competition than that in Europe?
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+x+xwe need Jedi, Luongo or Irvine will get dominated against Honduras.. very big physical team. Luongo and Irvine are regular midfield starters in the English Championship, is there a more physical competition than that in Europe? Luongo in great form ATM. Wouldnt mind seeing in Midfield - similar to Chile lineup: Risdon - Jedinak - Luongo - Behich Irvine - Troisi
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Honduras is set to learn whether FIFA will eliminate the yellow cards preventing two star players from facing Australia in the first World Cup play-off leg. Captain Maynor Figueroa and striker Alberth Elis are both suspended for the match in San Pedro Sula after receiving too many cautions in previous World Cup qualifiers. Honduras submitted a request to have their yellow cards wiped away, like Peru and New Zealand’s players were ahead of their play-off, and Fenafuth secretary Jose Ernesto Meija confirmed FIFA will soon provide a verdict.
Considering Peru and NZ got it I can see it being granted. Ffs Leckie is still hurt and we can go a game without Milligan. Elis is a real gun and it's good he's out.
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So how does that work? I can understand wiping cards that haven't lead to a suspension prior to an inter-continental game, but if you have accumulated too many cards and then copped a suspension, then surely that has to be served?
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People really considering not playing kruse for mabil or burns? Quick flick are you smoking crack? You want to leave how highest assist player for mabil or burns ? Wtf I'd rather not play mooy then kruse even tho I think kruse will be ruled out. Not played last two games. Something is wrong. No leckie kruse Milligan. We in big trouble!
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Now no Cahill either. Add the cloud over Ange factor and we're gawn!
In a resort somewhere
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i'd go a hard taka sort of team. Assuming yellow cards are erased and everyone is fit
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it wouldnt be pretty but would probably neutralise the opposition away from home
in case of injuries
risdon for leckie, juric for cahill,
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Update today: Cahill still to travel to Honduras, but Kruse will go straight to Sydney.
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Football Federation Australia (FFA) can advise that Tim Cahill will join the Caltex Socceroos squad in San Pedro Sula, Honduras, this week.
Cahill will join his Caltex Socceroos teammates for the forthcoming 2018 FIFA World Cup Intercontinental Play-off (CONCACAF-Asian Zone) on Monday (local time), a day later than originally scheduled.
Cahill’s delayed departure to Honduras is part of the monitoring and rehabilitation process that has been put in place for an ankle injury that the Melbourne City FC attacker sustained on Friday night while playing in the Hyundai A-League.
Cahill was cleared of a fractured ankle on Saturday, however he will require continued assessment and treatment before a determination regarding his eligibility for the forthcoming matches is made by the Caltex Socceroos’ medical and coaching staff.
FFA can also advise that VfL Bochum attacker Robbie Kruse will not make the journey to Honduras.
Kruse remains part of the Caltex Socceroos’ squad for this month’s crunch play-off against Honduras, however like Mathew Leckie and Mark Milligan, Kruse will join the squad in Sydney ahead of the second-leg.
https://www.socceroos.com.au/news/caltex-socceroos-squad-update
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