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Zef
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+xMicko, we do and those people are ostracized for their observations and banished as crackpots or accused as " having an opposing agenda". All these experts are employed to do a job and know that they will no longer be employed if they don't do what their employer tells them. You have (or have had) a job so you know what is expected, and I am in the same boat with my employer. And why do you want a thumbs down button?, because what I say doesn't fit your narrative. Mate we have to get over our differences and move on. We have season of Rugba Leeg looming and at the moment it's the only thing to get excited about. Absolute typical conspiracy theory bullshit. “Oh but my job, I’ll lie through my teeth for my job”. Here’s the truth - any employee of any organisation that covers up or contributes to something, anything, that breaks the law or in this case according to you, contributes to something that could lead to injury or death is 110% open to criminal and civil prosecution. You can nit ever claim I did it because the boss said so and expect nothing but the full weight of the law to fall on your head. Your job will be the least of your worries. So just be clear that you’re accusing anyone and everyone involved in publishing said figures of a criminal act and if you got the balls for it publish your accusations with your name to it and see how the full weight of the law feels coming down on your head.
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Mooloolabadog
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+xMicko, we do and those people are ostracized for their observations and banished as crackpots or accused as " having an opposing agenda". All these experts are employed to do a job and know that they will no longer be employed if they don't do what their employer tells them. You have (or have had) a job so you know what is expected, and I am in the same boat with my employer. And why do you want a thumbs down button?, because what I say doesn't fit your narrative. Mate we have to get over our differences and move on. We have season of Rugba Leeg looming and at the moment it's the only thing to get excited about. Are you suggesting that all the academics that support vaccines are doing so to protect their job? This would have to be one of the most far fetched conspiracy theories of all time.
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ODF
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Zef, firstly I don't give a flying fuck what you think and yes I have publicly posted these same accusations on line and anyone can trace me (I can be tracked here also) so I don't give a flying fuck about them either. Stop being such a over opinionated drama queen and accept the fact that we all have a different point of view and we hold these opinions for different reasons. OK, you're vaxxed you have your reasons and I respect that, I have my reasons for my actions and I don't appreciate or expect anyone to force their opinions to tell me I am wrong. At the end if the day there is only two outcomes either you were right or I was right and we have to accept the results of our choice of action. With March just around the corner I would like to concentrate on our team and how it's performing, so let's agree to ditch the covid bullshit and turn our attention to V'Landyball.
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Mick O
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+xMicko, we do and those people are ostracized for their observations and banished as crackpots or accused as " having an opposing agenda". All these experts are employed to do a job and know that they will no longer be employed if they don't do what their employer tells them. You have (or have had) a job so you know what is expected, and I am in the same boat with my employer. And why do you want a thumbs down button?, because what I say doesn't fit your narrative. Mate we have to get over our differences and move on. We have season of Rugba Leeg looming and at the moment it's the only thing to get excited about. But you give no supporting evidence of these scientists. Without evidence we have nothing more than bullshit.
I would like a thumbs down button for when you and others share bullshit
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ODF
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+x+xAs some may know, I told you’s so about the coming plague yeeeeaaaars ago and have many times since. The thing is though, this isn’t it. Not the one we really got to fear, which is STILL coming. I actually came to be quite… don’t know the right word… “relieved”? that Covid hit because I seen it as the rehearsal. And I was, and still am, happy about the lessons for the REAL one to come, main and immediate ones being the closure of borders and suspension of all domestic and int travel as soon as it’s detected. I figured we’ll be ready and right on top of that next time. But the trouble is, it’s given all the conspiracy wacko’s their rehearsal and dry run too. No matter how dangerous and urgent the situation for the REAL DEAL when, not if, WHEN it comes. There’s gonna be wacko’s everywhere, in positions of influence and power, reflecting back on Covid and not taking it as the lesson we had to have and should learn from, but as their example of how we all over-reacted because we all didn’t die and so next time let’s all not make rash decisions that may interrupt holidays in France. We’re that stupid. There is a great podcast. ‘The end of the world’ by Josh Clark. Listened to it before the pandemic. Listen to it now please. It really hit the nail right on the head with what was coming and what is potentially worse.
Unfortunately you’re right. The political agendas and conspiracy theory wackjobs have really come out if the woodwork. Covid could have made it harder when the next big one hits. But also, for when even worse issues arise.
, any information or results of works by employees will be censored by their PR people before release. The absence of true and accurate information is just as damaging as "doctored" information.
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ODF
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What the fuck.... just like my post to Mooloolaba Dog has gone arse up half of my reply is missing with some random quote pasted on top.
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Mick O
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+xZef, firstly I don't give a flying fuck what you think and yes I have publicly posted these same accusations on line and anyone can trace me (I can be tracked here also) so I don't give a flying fuck about them either. Stop being such a over opinionated drama queen and accept the fact that we all have a different point of view and we hold these opinions for different reasons. OK, you're vaxxed you have your reasons and I respect that, I have my reasons for my actions and I don't appreciate or expect anyone to force their opinions to tell me I am wrong. At the end if the day there is only two outcomes either you were right or I was right and we have to accept the results of our choice of action. With March just around the corner I would like to concentrate on our team and how it's performing, so let's agree to ditch the covid bullshit and turn our attention to V'Landyball. The problem though is that you think this is simply a different point of view. You do not have a differing opinion on something that is simply ‘an opinion’ such as Burton being a good or bad player. You are offering up information that has no evidence. And then claiming it as correct. Eg accusing scientists of misleading the population for fear of job loss.
I’m not trying to attack you or anybody else. I’m simply debating a topic in which I am passionate about.
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ODF
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Micko, you can go and get fuck also, why always the "you provide no proof" crap that a lot go on with. I am not doing all your dirty work for you... I have done a hell of a lot of research and had to shift through mountains of conspiracy theory bullshit to find some sort of meaningful answers to questions I have about the validity of these do called vaccines. If you want proof get off your arse and researching this shit yourself... hint chsnnel 7, 9, 10 ABC, morning shows, Dr google or Dr facebook should remain off your list.
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Mick O
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+xMicko, you can go and get fuck also, why always the "you provide no proof" crap that a lot go on with. I am not doing all your dirty work for you... I have done a hell of a lot of research and had to shift through mountains of conspiracy theory bullshit to find some sort of meaningful answers to questions I have about the validity of these do called vaccines. If you want proof get off your arse and researching this shit yourself... hint chsnnel 7, 9, 10 ABC, morning shows, Dr google or Dr facebook should remain off your list. I’ll hit the Mrs up tonight. I’ll let you know how I go.
Where are these answers. Put up a link please. Or at the very least point me in the right direction. I’m quite interested
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Mick O
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Here is some evidence on my side of the ‘debate’ https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/9/989
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Mick O
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Another.
In layman’s. A meta analysis is a study of numerous study’s. So it is a very reliable way to get lots of information and put it together.
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ODF
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Your first site was informative and anyone reading it would get some knowledge of vaccines, especially mRNA type, but, there are two pieces of info that don't seem quite right and I quote: "In terms of vaccine safety, mRNA vaccines showed more relevance to serious adverse events than viral vector and inactivated vaccines, but no solid evidence indicated that COVID-19 vaccines directly caused serious adverse events". Really, so does that mean those that have died as a result from being injected aren't taken into consideration, or are they just those snippets of facts that are conveniently overlooked... you know the ones that I was talking about. And another quote from the same report: "The results indicate that two mRNA vaccine doses prevent SARS-COV-2 infection most effectively".. come on... that shit was debunked by a CEO of a major pharma himself. I know you are going to accuse me of taking information out of context blah blah blah, but, that is what I was saying previously. You have to sift through ALL sources of info and weed out what is bullshit or irrelevant before forming any opinion or coming to any conclusions.
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ODF
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So, where are we at... is this the Bulldogs Debate Page or the Covid 19 let's alienate one another and agrue about insignificant shit Debate Page.
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Mick O
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+xYour first site was informative and anyone reading it would get some knowledge of vaccines, especially mRNA type, but, there are two pieces of info that don't seem quite right and I quote: "In terms of vaccine safety, mRNA vaccines showed more relevance to serious adverse events than viral vector and inactivated vaccines, but no solid evidence indicated that COVID-19 vaccines directly caused serious adverse events". Really, so does that mean those that have died as a result from being injected aren't taken into consideration, or are they just those snippets of facts that are conveniently overlooked... you know the ones that I was talking about. And another quote from the same report: "The results indicate that two mRNA vaccine doses prevent SARS-COV-2 infection most effectively".. come on... that shit was debunked by a CEO of a major pharma himself. I know you are going to accuse me of taking information out of context blah blah blah, but, that is what I was saying previously. You have to sift through ALL sources of info and weed out what is bullshit or irrelevant before forming any opinion or coming to any conclusions. You mean the two supposed deaths that you told me about on an Internet forum? Not great evidence. However yes the deaths that may have occurred after vaccination could be taken into account. But then my logical thinking brain looks at the chance of death from Covid vs Vaccine and the answer is clear. The vaccine offers a greater chance of survival.
And no. Two doses protect very well against Covid infection from most variants but omicron requires a booster. The effectiveness of boosters and the new vaccine d for omicron needs future studies. Im still waiting on your evidence mate.
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+x+xYour first site was informative and anyone reading it would get some knowledge of vaccines, especially mRNA type, but, there are two pieces of info that don't seem quite right and I quote: "In terms of vaccine safety, mRNA vaccines showed more relevance to serious adverse events than viral vector and inactivated vaccines, but no solid evidence indicated that COVID-19 vaccines directly caused serious adverse events". Really, so does that mean those that have died as a result from being injected aren't taken into consideration, or are they just those snippets of facts that are conveniently overlooked... you know the ones that I was talking about. And another quote from the same report: "The results indicate that two mRNA vaccine doses prevent SARS-COV-2 infection most effectively".. come on... that shit was debunked by a CEO of a major pharma himself. I know you are going to accuse me of taking information out of context blah blah blah, but, that is what I was saying previously. You have to sift through ALL sources of info and weed out what is bullshit or irrelevant before forming any opinion or coming to any conclusions. You mean the two supposed deaths that you told me about on an Internet forum? Not great evidence. However yes the deaths that may have occurred after vaccination could be taken into account. But then my logical thinking brain looks at the chance of death from Covid vs Vaccine and the answer is clear. The vaccine offers a greater chance of survival.
And no. Two doses protect very well against Covid infection from most variants but omicron requires a booster. The effectiveness of boosters and the new vaccine d for omicron needs future studies. Im still waiting on your evidence mate. Beware the post hoc fallacy. After therefore because of. Most quoted example: after the rooster crows the sun comes up. Very powerful and influential that rooster. In other words more information or evidence needed.
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Mick O
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+x+x+xYour first site was informative and anyone reading it would get some knowledge of vaccines, especially mRNA type, but, there are two pieces of info that don't seem quite right and I quote: "In terms of vaccine safety, mRNA vaccines showed more relevance to serious adverse events than viral vector and inactivated vaccines, but no solid evidence indicated that COVID-19 vaccines directly caused serious adverse events". Really, so does that mean those that have died as a result from being injected aren't taken into consideration, or are they just those snippets of facts that are conveniently overlooked... you know the ones that I was talking about. And another quote from the same report: "The results indicate that two mRNA vaccine doses prevent SARS-COV-2 infection most effectively".. come on... that shit was debunked by a CEO of a major pharma himself. I know you are going to accuse me of taking information out of context blah blah blah, but, that is what I was saying previously. You have to sift through ALL sources of info and weed out what is bullshit or irrelevant before forming any opinion or coming to any conclusions. You mean the two supposed deaths that you told me about on an Internet forum? Not great evidence. However yes the deaths that may have occurred after vaccination could be taken into account. But then my logical thinking brain looks at the chance of death from Covid vs Vaccine and the answer is clear. The vaccine offers a greater chance of survival.
And no. Two doses protect very well against Covid infection from most variants but omicron requires a booster. The effectiveness of boosters and the new vaccine d for omicron needs future studies. Im still waiting on your evidence mate. Beware the post hoc fallacy. After therefore because of. Most quoted example: after the rooster crows the sun comes up. Very powerful and influential that rooster. In other words more information or evidence needed. Logical fallacies. Thank you. Can you point out exactly where I made that mistake. I’m trying to understand and I can’t see it.
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+x+x+x+xYour first site was informative and anyone reading it would get some knowledge of vaccines, especially mRNA type, but, there are two pieces of info that don't seem quite right and I quote: "In terms of vaccine safety, mRNA vaccines showed more relevance to serious adverse events than viral vector and inactivated vaccines, but no solid evidence indicated that COVID-19 vaccines directly caused serious adverse events". Really, so does that mean those that have died as a result from being injected aren't taken into consideration, or are they just those snippets of facts that are conveniently overlooked... you know the ones that I was talking about. And another quote from the same report: "The results indicate that two mRNA vaccine doses prevent SARS-COV-2 infection most effectively".. come on... that shit was debunked by a CEO of a major pharma himself. I know you are going to accuse me of taking information out of context blah blah blah, but, that is what I was saying previously. You have to sift through ALL sources of info and weed out what is bullshit or irrelevant before forming any opinion or coming to any conclusions. You mean the two supposed deaths that you told me about on an Internet forum? Not great evidence. However yes the deaths that may have occurred after vaccination could be taken into account. But then my logical thinking brain looks at the chance of death from Covid vs Vaccine and the answer is clear. The vaccine offers a greater chance of survival.
And no. Two doses protect very well against Covid infection from most variants but omicron requires a booster. The effectiveness of boosters and the new vaccine d for omicron needs future studies. Im still waiting on your evidence mate. Beware the post hoc fallacy. After therefore because of. Most quoted example: after the rooster crows the sun comes up. Very powerful and influential that rooster. In other words more information or evidence needed. Logical fallacies. Thank you. Can you point out exactly where I made that mistake. I’m trying to understand and I can’t see it. Not you. An earlier post. I assumed you were referring to an earlier post by I think ODF
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Zef
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BTW, the 11 deaths attributed to Covid vacc’s - all of them after the first dose of AZ. No other deaths reported.
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ODF
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Micko, let me spell it out in clear and concise English one last time and hope it sinks in..... I am not asking you to justify your decision, I am not interested whether you are right or you are wrong, I am not interested if you are vaccinated or unvaccinated, I don't care for covid and I am not interested in arguing the point with anyone over covid. It is here and we have to deal with it. So if you want to talk Bulldogs (and other sports when the Dogs are not playing) that's fine but please give this fucking virus thing a rest because we will keep going around in circles forever.
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+xBTW, the 11 deaths attributed to Covid vacc’s - all of them after the first dose of AZ. No other deaths reported. Well the 38 yo I knew was Pfizer but hey don't let the stats interefere with the truth.
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Zef
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+x we all have a different point of view and we hold these opinions for different reasons. These aren’t points of view or opinions. You’re posting bullshit, absolute bullshit, and claiming it as fact with absolutely nothing to back it up. Don’t cry to me about getting called out on it. If you don’t like it, don’t post bullshit.
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Zef
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+xWell the 38 yo I knew was Pfizer but hey don't let the stats interefere with the truth. They’re not stats. Stats are a way of getting a mean of a set of numbers. These are from coroner’s reports. Maybe your friend just died - in which case there’d be a coroners report. What did it say?
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Zef
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……. Of course, excepting the risk that the coroner might be just trying to keep his job and all that
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Zef, who the fuck do you think you are, you come in here calling bullshit and accusing people of not backing up claims.. well fuck you I know what I know and I don't have to justify it to anybody. As a point of interest I haven't seen one shred of "evidence" from you either. So fucking what that you have been jabbed it doesn't make you entitled so if have nothing intelligent to say then say fucking nothing and stop being a know-it-all- cvnt.
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Zef
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+xZef, who the fuck do you think you are, you come in here calling bullshit and accusing people of not backing up claims.. well fuck you I know what I know and I don't have to justify it to anybody. As a point of interest I haven't seen one shred of "evidence" from you either. So fucking what that you have been jabbed it doesn't make you entitled so if have nothing intelligent to say then say fucking nothing and stop being a know-it-all- cvnt. In answer by sentence - 1. Me. 2. Oh but you do if you want to be taken seriously. 3. I told you where I got the info, or evidence - Dept of Health/Therapeutic Drug Administration. 4. No, I’ll continue to say as I wish. Especially calling out bullshitters like you.
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It is time to drop the covid discussion here.
Besides we all know Des is to blame.
You are free to be unvaccinated and employers are free to say no vax no job, posting here will not change that.
Other rules from time to time are up to businesses and the government. If you don't like the government you are free to vote against thrm.
Of all the places where debating covid will change nothing anywhere, this forum is top of that list.
Points of view are clearly dug in and there is bugger all chance of anyone changing their mind.
So if you post on covid here, you are wasting your time and ours, but again Des is to blame for that.
Let's all get back to blaming Des.
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Zef
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And btw “know it all cvnt”
I do take offence to that.
I don’t quite know it all.
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+xAnd btw “know it all cvnt” I do take offence to that. I don’t quite know it all. Don't be modest.
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Zef
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+xOf all the places where debating covid will change nothing anywhere, this forum is top of that list.
Man, I hate to break it to you but…. There is absolutely nothing debated on here that will change anything anywhere. Never stopped us before though has it.
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ODF
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If you take offence to being called that then why keep acting like you do, and it certainly is bad on your behalf when you hate it but throw it back to me.
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