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hounddog - 20 Apr 2022 5:54 PM
Villi - 20 Apr 2022 5:50 PM

That comment about Dman reminded me of the good old days.

When we used to sing his praises, and celebrate his lack of virtue.

How is Dman?

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Villi - 20 Apr 2022 6:05 PM
hounddog - 20 Apr 2022 5:54 PM

How is Dman?

Probably drunk some where?

Since you are posting less, he is lacking inspiration and guidance.


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hounddog - 20 Apr 2022 6:15 PM
Villi - 20 Apr 2022 6:05 PM

Probably drunk some where?

Since you are posting less, he is lacking inspiration and guidance.


Well hopefully Dr Marki has been kind & polite to Dman
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Villi - 20 Apr 2022 6:20 PM
hounddog - 20 Apr 2022 6:15 PM

Well hopefully Dr Marki has been kind & polite to Dman

Dr Marki is now Tolman's biggest fan, quite a change.
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hounddog - 20 Apr 2022 6:27 PM
Villi - 20 Apr 2022 6:20 PM

Dr Marki is now Tolman's biggest fan, quite a change.

I bet Doc had a lazy $100 on Tol’s to be first tryscorer in his 300th game 
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Villi - 20 Apr 2022 7:09 PM
hounddog - 20 Apr 2022 6:27 PM

I bet Doc had a lazy $100 on Tol’s to be first tryscorer in his 300th game 

The only lazy one in Tolmans 300th was Tolman himself.

In fairness, I caught a fair bit of the Storm-Sharks game and I noticed Tolman was playing the Isaah Yeo role and in fact was doing it better than Jacko!

Who would have thunk that Tolman had a pass in him? The prick never passed once when he played for us and was just a roadblock for nearly a decade.....
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Marki - 20 Apr 2022 10:17 PM
Villi - 20 Apr 2022 7:09 PM

The only lazy one in Tolmans 300th was Tolman himself.

In fairness, I caught a fair bit of the Storm-Sharks game and I noticed Tolman was playing the Isaah Yeo role and in fact was doing it better than Jacko!

Who would have thunk that Tolman had a pass in him? The prick never passed once when he played for us and was just a roadblock for nearly a decade.....

Just maybe the problem lay elsewhere. Possibly coaching/direction, it was tolerated for a long time.
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If the reports that the covid source was the Tuesday night dinner is there more to come. 30% fale readings for RAT tests and the delay between exposure and positive test result is a worry.
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This covid outbreak could be a "get out of jail free" card for a lot of people at the club... though it seems the club just can't take a trick at the moment... things have got to turn around for the better soon.
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Villi - 20 Apr 2022 6:05 PM
hounddog - 20 Apr 2022 5:54 PM

How is Dman?

Im well thank you for asking ...
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dman2018 - 21 Apr 2022 9:35 AM
Villi - 20 Apr 2022 6:05 PM

Im well thank you for asking ...

You’re welcome 
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Mooloolabadog - 21 Apr 2022 7:07 AM
Marki - 20 Apr 2022 10:17 PM

Just maybe the problem lay elsewhere. Possibly coaching/direction, it was tolerated for a long time.

My best guess is Tols and our dummy-halfs developed bad habits under Des which later coaches found hard to eradicate.

Baz probably decided early Tols was going.

It is no surprise that after a wake up call and reset in a new environment he is playing better.

Sometimes it is just best for both parties to move on and try another option.

If we go back a few seasons when the defence was great, the cornerstone of that was Jacko, Lichaa, Tols and Jimmy Graham.

Jacko is last man standing, we needed to fix the attack and getting the attack right before the defence makes sense.

But I wonder if someone like Topine should come into the side.

For Tols had he stayed I doubt that he would have been any better.

A smart coach might have had Tols playing as s ballplaying lock 5 years ago. Getting him to pass at least stops him running it up. His defence was always great.
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Mooloolabadog - 21 Apr 2022 7:07 AM
Marki - 20 Apr 2022 10:17 PM

Just maybe the problem lay elsewhere. Possibly coaching/direction, it was tolerated for a long time.

Tolman always had a pass, he displayed that in 2012 when our pack was playing out the back quite often. He has no post-contact metres and gets in the way too often in attack.
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dogbone - 21 Apr 2022 1:30 PM
Mooloolabadog - 21 Apr 2022 7:07 AM

Tolman always had a pass, he displayed that in 2012 when our pack was playing out the back quite often. He has no post-contact metres and gets in the way too often in attack.

Yes. I think we have to get over this desball bullsh#t. This is the fifth season, almost 100 games and two coaches since Hasler. 
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Mooloolabadog - 21 Apr 2022 4:16 PM
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Yes. I think we have to get over this desball bullsh#t. This is the fifth season, almost 100 games and two coaches since Hasler. 

And I think probably only Jacko & RFM of the players
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Mooloolabadog - 21 Apr 2022 5:23 PM
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And I think probably only Jacko & RFM of the players

Next season with Reed on board completely different spine.

I don't think that our attack is much like DesBall these days, we are trying to be Penrith.

Burton kicks some great bombs, Duffty is a dangerous ball runner and a good passer.

Mostly the attack is much better.

The defence was much better when Des was coach, more work required.

Best to rule a line on the past, take this season as it comes and don't have unrealistic expectations.

Next season with a proper starting hooker and building on this season I expect a lot more.

My gut feel is we might beat the Broncos, our team is improving, and the new players will want to take their chance.
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hounddog - 21 Apr 2022 5:53 PM
Mooloolabadog - 21 Apr 2022 5:23 PM

Next season with Reed on board completely different spine.

I don't think that our attack is much like DesBall these days, we are trying to be Penrith.

Burton kicks some great bombs, Duffty is a dangerous ball runner and a good passer.

Mostly the attack is much better.

The defence was much better when Des was coach, more work required.

Best to rule a line on the past, take this season as it comes and don't have unrealistic expectations.

Next season with a proper starting hooker and building on this season I expect a lot more.

My gut feel is we might beat the Broncos, our team is improving, and the new players will want to take their chance.

I hope you’re right… we need a win & if JMK & Jackson can keep the hell away from the ball, then we’re a chance!

Barrett trying to make Jackson into our I Yeo version is not working! Jackson can’t pass if his life depends on it. 
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Mooloolabadog - 21 Apr 2022 4:16 PM
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Yes. I think we have to get over this desball bullsh#t. This is the fifth season, almost 100 games and two coaches since Hasler. 

I have been over the bullshit since it started. Hasler was sacked because the board was scared of the fans. The fans of every club make emotional and ignorant statements about their footy club. And like a great man once said. If you listen to the fans you’ll soon be sitting next to them in the stands. 

Haslers record as coach with us is one of the best of any coach for us. Made finals every year. One minor premiership and two grand finals. Would have been better if his control of football operations wasn’t given then restricted. 

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hounddog - 21 Apr 2022 5:53 PM
Mooloolabadog - 21 Apr 2022 5:23 PM

Next season with Reed on board completely different spine.

I don't think that our attack is much like DesBall these days, we are trying to be Penrith.

Burton kicks some great bombs, Duffty is a dangerous ball runner and a good passer.

Mostly the attack is much better.

The defence was much better when Des was coach, more work required.

Best to rule a line on the past, take this season as it comes and don't have unrealistic expectations.

Next season with a proper starting hooker and building on this season I expect a lot more.

My gut feel is we might beat the Broncos, our team is improving, and the new players will want to take their chance.

We are a good chance against the Bozos. Would be better with a full team. But no excuses. If we lose we are going to get the spoon
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Why would Manly leave a one legged Dylan Walker on the field?
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Is there a little more tolerance re six again tonight than there was in our game last week?
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Mooloolabadog - 21 Apr 2022 9:22 PM
Is there a little more tolerance re six again tonight than there was in our game last week?

The sin bin was a poor decision.

But best to move on and leave everything in the past.
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hounddog - 21 Apr 2022 9:33 PM
Mooloolabadog - 21 Apr 2022 9:22 PM

The sin bin was a poor decision.

But best to move on and leave everything in the past.

Yes. We have to stop blaming the refs. 
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Micko - 21 Apr 2022 9:41 PM
hounddog - 21 Apr 2022 9:33 PM

Yes. We have to stop blaming the refs. 

Not blaming the ref for our loss, just asking the question.
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Sharks look invincible with the ball in the first half and vulnerable without it in the second.
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Mooloolabadog - 21 Apr 2022 9:44 PM
Micko - 21 Apr 2022 9:41 PM

Not blaming the ref for our loss, just asking the question.

The refs are never consistent.

Over the course of the season the best 2 sides normally contest the GF.

Mostly the best side wins the GF. 

Occasionally sides are robbed, but they get a chance to right that next season.

We have been on the wrong ebd of poor performances from Sutton over the years, but probably only 1-2 wins per season.
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hounddog - 21 Apr 2022 9:52 PM
Mooloolabadog - 21 Apr 2022 9:44 PM

The refs are never consistent.

Over the course of the season the best 2 sides normally contest the GF.

Mostly the best side wins the GF. 

Occasionally sides are robbed, but they get a chance to right that next season.

We have been on the wrong ebd of poor performances from Sutton over the years, but probably only 1-2 wins per season.

You're  right, but look at 20/21. Two points could change the top four and top eight. Four points could have changed the minor premiers. So its not insignificant. I've  never been a believer  in things evening  up. Robbed in a grand final does not equate to getting the rub of the green in round one next  season.
The only way to correct a problem is to identify it, acknowledge  it and take corrective action.
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Mooloolabadog - 21 Apr 2022 10:32 PM
hounddog - 21 Apr 2022 9:52 PM

You're  right, but look at 20/21. Two points could change the top four and top eight. Four points could have changed the minor premiers. So its not insignificant. I've  never been a believer  in things evening  up. Robbed in a grand final does not equate to getting the rub of the green in round one next  season.
The only way to correct a problem is to identify it, acknowledge  it and take corrective action.

I think the problem is that you believe that is possible. 

Refs are human. Humans make errors. Humans have biases. Humans are inconsistent. While we have human refs we will have incorrect decisions. 

Even with the video ref. The decisions are sometimes poor. What can the NRL do? 

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Mooloolabadog - 21 Apr 2022 10:32 PM
hounddog - 21 Apr 2022 9:52 PM

You're  right, but look at 20/21. Two points could change the top four and top eight. Four points could have changed the minor premiers. So its not insignificant. I've  never been a believer  in things evening  up. Robbed in a grand final does not equate to getting the rub of the green in round one next  season.
The only way to correct a problem is to identify it, acknowledge  it and take corrective action.

I don’t think their is a sport in the world that doesn’t have fans blaming officials for bad decisions. It’s best to try not to take the sport to seriously  
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Mooloolabadog - 21 Apr 2022 10:32 PM
hounddog - 21 Apr 2022 9:52 PM

You're  right, but look at 20/21. Two points could change the top four and top eight. Four points could have changed the minor premiers. So its not insignificant. I've  never been a believer  in things evening  up. Robbed in a grand final does not equate to getting the rub of the green in round one next  season.
The only way to correct a problem is to identify it, acknowledge  it and take corrective action.

All that can be done is go through official channels, then escalate.

Level 1 - write a detailed complaint to the NRL about any suspect game.

Level 2 - if 2 or more previous complaints about a particular ref, reference them in the latest complaint.

Level 3 - leak 5 or more written  complaints about a ref to the media.

The NRL will not like level 3, I would expect fines / stripping of comp points. But officially the leak needs to be deniable and very much at arms length.

IMO cases of a ref with a strong bias against a club are rare but do happen.
If we can assemble strong evidence, then level 3 is acceptable as the last resort.
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