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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIs there a little more tolerance re six again tonight than there was in our game last week? The sin bin was a poor decision. But best to move on and leave everything in the past. Yes. We have to stop blaming the refs. Not blaming the ref for our loss, just asking the question. The refs are never consistent. Over the course of the season the best 2 sides normally contest the GF. Mostly the best side wins the GF. Occasionally sides are robbed, but they get a chance to right that next season. We have been on the wrong ebd of poor performances from Sutton over the years, but probably only 1-2 wins per season. You're right, but look at 20/21. Two points could change the top four and top eight. Four points could have changed the minor premiers. So its not insignificant. I've never been a believer in things evening up. Robbed in a grand final does not equate to getting the rub of the green in round one next season. The only way to correct a problem is to identify it, acknowledge it and take corrective action. I think the problem is that you believe that is possible.
Refs are human. Humans make errors. Humans have biases. Humans are inconsistent. While we have human refs we will have incorrect decisions.
Even with the video ref. The decisions are sometimes poor. What can the NRL do? They can stop making excuses for them for a start. Annersley either needs to address the issues and take the proper corrective action or resign and give the job to someone who will.
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hounddog
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIs there a little more tolerance re six again tonight than there was in our game last week? The sin bin was a poor decision. But best to move on and leave everything in the past. Yes. We have to stop blaming the refs. Not blaming the ref for our loss, just asking the question. The refs are never consistent. Over the course of the season the best 2 sides normally contest the GF. Mostly the best side wins the GF. Occasionally sides are robbed, but they get a chance to right that next season. We have been on the wrong ebd of poor performances from Sutton over the years, but probably only 1-2 wins per season. You're right, but look at 20/21. Two points could change the top four and top eight. Four points could have changed the minor premiers. So its not insignificant. I've never been a believer in things evening up. Robbed in a grand final does not equate to getting the rub of the green in round one next season. The only way to correct a problem is to identify it, acknowledge it and take corrective action. I think the problem is that you believe that is possible.
Refs are human. Humans make errors. Humans have biases. Humans are inconsistent. While we have human refs we will have incorrect decisions.
Even with the video ref. The decisions are sometimes poor. What can the NRL do? They can stop making excuses for them for a start. Annersley either needs to address the issues and take the proper corrective action or resign and give the job to someone who will. We know his job is essentially spin and trying to justify most decisions. The NRL can't have open slather on the refs. What is needed is proper professionalism and performance reviews, maybe making it easier to ref games and less subjective. Also tell refs to let the game flow. There are issues in a sports, but the best officials in any sport are barely noticed and rarely controversial. If a ref wants to be the star attraction, that is a bad start.
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hounddog
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The NRL also doesn't want to admit fans of some clubs have a particular dislike of a specific ref.
Denying the facts doesn't change anything, each game is more wood on the fire.
For semis the best refs need to be picked, for club games it is possible to avoid controversial matchups, if the NRL wants to. Even 1-2 years might be a sufficient circuit-breaker.
But when the rose coloured glasses are on reality is denied, and the NRL pretends there is no issue.
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Mick O
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I think what all of us fail to realise is that the majority of people who watch the NRL don’t understand the game like us as fans do. And those people are the ones the NRL want to keep.
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hounddog
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When fans are passionate it is hard to change your perceptions, especially when they are reinforced at regular intervals.
To be clear we might be wrong, but it doesn't make it easy to change our minds.
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Ahhh germoulists... Apparently Aussies twats are worth less than other twats...
"Musk has ambitions of owning the social media platform, on which he boasts more than 83 million ($A 112.6 million) followers because he believes it needs an internal revamp"
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+xAhhh germoulists... Apparently Aussies twats are worth less than other twats... "Musk has ambitions of owning the social media platform, on which he boasts more than 83 million ($A 112.6 million) followers because he believes it needs an internal revamp" Russian Twitter Bots are staging a communist uprising... bots of the world unite....
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Phoenix Ghost Drone - sure it can blow things up...
But can it bring home a slab of beer?
Asking for a friend, or maybe a casual acquaintance.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIs there a little more tolerance re six again tonight than there was in our game last week? The sin bin was a poor decision. But best to move on and leave everything in the past. Yes. We have to stop blaming the refs. Not blaming the ref for our loss, just asking the question. The refs are never consistent. Over the course of the season the best 2 sides normally contest the GF. Mostly the best side wins the GF. Occasionally sides are robbed, but they get a chance to right that next season. We have been on the wrong ebd of poor performances from Sutton over the years, but probably only 1-2 wins per season. You're right, but look at 20/21. Two points could change the top four and top eight. Four points could have changed the minor premiers. So its not insignificant. I've never been a believer in things evening up. Robbed in a grand final does not equate to getting the rub of the green in round one next season. The only way to correct a problem is to identify it, acknowledge it and take corrective action. Refs are human. Humans make errors. Humans have biases. Humans are inconsistent. While we have human refs we will have incorrect decisions. This is why rules are set in place. To give us humans direction on our inconsistent, incorrect, error prone decisions. If you have a bias, then you have no right to be controlling a contest because that bias will ensure an unfair advantage to one team. If you get the same ref, making the same "errors", with the same "biases" and the same "inconsistancies" against the same teams on a regular basis and the governing body fails to address the issue, then the governing body had failed in their duty and should be removed from the sport. This is what I consider as incompetence.
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+xAhhh germoulists... Apparently Aussies twats are worth less than other twats... "Musk has ambitions of owning the social media platform, on which he boasts more than 83 million ($A 112.6 million) followers because he believes it needs an internal revamp" On reflection, a lot of Aussie Germoulists do have split personalities, so natural bias IMO.
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Mick O
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Win or lose tonight? What are everyone’s thoughts. Is the team capable of winning?
I’m worried if the Bozos can push the ball to the edge quick Staggs and Farnworth will destroy us. If our middles can get up quick and stop the shift we could be a chance. I just don’t think our defence is good enough.
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+xWin or lose tonight? What are everyone’s thoughts. Is the team capable of winning?
I’m worried if the Bozos can push the ball to the edge quick Staggs and Farnworth will destroy us. If our middles can get up quick and stop the shift we could be a chance. I just don’t think our defence is good enough. Knock-on-bor is in the side, there'syour answer.....he gets turned around in defence faster than a turnstile at the Royal Easter show.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIs there a little more tolerance re six again tonight than there was in our game last week? The sin bin was a poor decision. But best to move on and leave everything in the past. Yes. We have to stop blaming the refs. Not blaming the ref for our loss, just asking the question. The refs are never consistent. Over the course of the season the best 2 sides normally contest the GF. Mostly the best side wins the GF. Occasionally sides are robbed, but they get a chance to right that next season. We have been on the wrong ebd of poor performances from Sutton over the years, but probably only 1-2 wins per season. You're right, but look at 20/21. Two points could change the top four and top eight. Four points could have changed the minor premiers. So its not insignificant. I've never been a believer in things evening up. Robbed in a grand final does not equate to getting the rub of the green in round one next season. The only way to correct a problem is to identify it, acknowledge it and take corrective action. I think the problem is that you believe that is possible.
Refs are human. Humans make errors. Humans have biases. Humans are inconsistent. While we have human refs we will have incorrect decisions.
Even with the video ref. The decisions are sometimes poor. What can the NRL do? Not ignore it
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+x+x+x+xIs there a little more tolerance re six again tonight than there was in our game last week? The sin bin was a poor decision. But best to move on and leave everything in the past. Yes. We have to stop blaming the refs. Not blaming the ref for our loss, just asking the question. If we are smart, we will figure it out within the first few sets. But if we are as dumb as we were last week and constantly push the envelope, ill be calling for the sin bin myself.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIs there a little more tolerance re six again tonight than there was in our game last week? The sin bin was a poor decision. But best to move on and leave everything in the past. Yes. We have to stop blaming the refs. Not blaming the ref for our loss, just asking the question. The refs are never consistent. Over the course of the season the best 2 sides normally contest the GF. Mostly the best side wins the GF. Occasionally sides are robbed, but they get a chance to right that next season. We have been on the wrong ebd of poor performances from Sutton over the years, but probably only 1-2 wins per season. You're right, but look at 20/21. Two points could change the top four and top eight. Four points could have changed the minor premiers. So its not insignificant. I've never been a believer in things evening up. Robbed in a grand final does not equate to getting the rub of the green in round one next season. The only way to correct a problem is to identify it, acknowledge it and take corrective action. All that can be done is go through official channels, then escalate. Level 1 - write a detailed complaint to the NRL about any suspect game. Level 2 - if 2 or more previous complaints about a particular ref, reference them in the latest complaint. Level 3 - leak 5 or more written complaints about a ref to the media. The NRL will not like level 3, I would expect fines / stripping of comp points. But officially the leak needs to be deniable and very much at arms length. IMO cases of a ref with a strong bias against a club are rare but do happen. If we can assemble strong evidence, then level 3 is acceptable as the last resort. I'd rather we focus our attention on improving the way we play than worry about refs bias. Like Micko says, refs are human and will naturally make errors. You just have to be become better and take their errors out the end result.
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Mick O
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIs there a little more tolerance re six again tonight than there was in our game last week? The sin bin was a poor decision. But best to move on and leave everything in the past. Yes. We have to stop blaming the refs. Not blaming the ref for our loss, just asking the question. The refs are never consistent. Over the course of the season the best 2 sides normally contest the GF. Mostly the best side wins the GF. Occasionally sides are robbed, but they get a chance to right that next season. We have been on the wrong ebd of poor performances from Sutton over the years, but probably only 1-2 wins per season. You're right, but look at 20/21. Two points could change the top four and top eight. Four points could have changed the minor premiers. So its not insignificant. I've never been a believer in things evening up. Robbed in a grand final does not equate to getting the rub of the green in round one next season. The only way to correct a problem is to identify it, acknowledge it and take corrective action. I think the problem is that you believe that is possible.
Refs are human. Humans make errors. Humans have biases. Humans are inconsistent. While we have human refs we will have incorrect decisions.
Even with the video ref. The decisions are sometimes poor. What can the NRL do? Not ignore it I don’t think they are ignoring it. That’s why they keep trying to change things. They just lack the personnel to do so. Finding great refs is very very hard.
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Sh!t refereeing is inexcusable. Most of us have had to take extracurricula courses during our adult working lives in order to continue in our career. If I was as sh!t in enforcing the rules in my chosen field as some of these pea blowing buffoons I wouldn't be in my job for too long I can assure you.
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Go Dogs, we sure need a win, will take a mighty effort, but no impossible.
Keep Okunbor well away from Herbie, Ok needs to be better than last time or we are long odds.
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Mick O
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+xSh!t refereeing is inexcusable. Most of us have had to take extracurricula courses during our adult working lives in order to continue in our career. If I was as sh!t in enforcing the rules in my chosen field as some of these pea blowing buffoons I wouldn't be in my job for too long I can assure you. Maybe you should sign up to be a ref mate. Even have a run in a local kids game, just to see what it’s like.
I would chose that as my last occupation of choice. I have reffed a few local games. It is fucked! Even if you are perfect you cop abuse from both sides.
And I think that’s the problem. Nobody wants to be a ref. So we have such a tiny talent pool. And therefore have poor standards at the top level.
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Go the Dogs. I have a good feeling tonight.
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hounddog
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIs there a little more tolerance re six again tonight than there was in our game last week? The sin bin was a poor decision. But best to move on and leave everything in the past. Yes. We have to stop blaming the refs. Not blaming the ref for our loss, just asking the question. The refs are never consistent. Over the course of the season the best 2 sides normally contest the GF. Mostly the best side wins the GF. Occasionally sides are robbed, but they get a chance to right that next season. We have been on the wrong ebd of poor performances from Sutton over the years, but probably only 1-2 wins per season. You're right, but look at 20/21. Two points could change the top four and top eight. Four points could have changed the minor premiers. So its not insignificant. I've never been a believer in things evening up. Robbed in a grand final does not equate to getting the rub of the green in round one next season. The only way to correct a problem is to identify it, acknowledge it and take corrective action. All that can be done is go through official channels, then escalate. Level 1 - write a detailed complaint to the NRL about any suspect game. Level 2 - if 2 or more previous complaints about a particular ref, reference them in the latest complaint. Level 3 - leak 5 or more written complaints about a ref to the media. The NRL will not like level 3, I would expect fines / stripping of comp points. But officially the leak needs to be deniable and very much at arms length. IMO cases of a ref with a strong bias against a club are rare but do happen. If we can assemble strong evidence, then level 3 is acceptable as the last resort. I'd rather we focus our attention on improving the way we play than worry about refs bias. Like Micko says, refs are human and will naturally make errors. You just have to be become better and take their errors out the end result. Players are coaches need to do that. Fans are free to express their opinion. IMO we have had a rough run under Sutton for close to 10 years. Maybe our team doesn't suit a showpony whistle happy ref.
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+x+xSh!t refereeing is inexcusable. Most of us have had to take extracurricula courses during our adult working lives in order to continue in our career. If I was as sh!t in enforcing the rules in my chosen field as some of these pea blowing buffoons I wouldn't be in my job for too long I can assure you. Maybe you should sign up to be a ref mate. Even have a run in a local kids game, just to see what it’s like.
I would chose that as my last occupation of choice. I have reffed a few local games. It is fucked! Even if you are perfect you cop abuse from both sides.
And I think that’s the problem. Nobody wants to be a ref. So we have such a tiny talent pool. And therefore have poor standards at the top level. Refs need to be full time professionals, well trained and well paid. So a career path for young guys and a decent career for 10-20 years, if they are good enough.
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Good start
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+x+xSh!t refereeing is inexcusable. Most of us have had to take extracurricula courses during our adult working lives in order to continue in our career. If I was as sh!t in enforcing the rules in my chosen field as some of these pea blowing buffoons I wouldn't be in my job for too long I can assure you. Maybe you should sign up to be a ref mate. Micko been there, done that. I was s schoolboy ref in the late 60's early 70's under the old 4 tackle rule. It is a thankless job both teams hate you and both sets of fans hate you. I'm in my mid 60's now, so way too late for me.
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2nd try was great. Nice execution.
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Shame about the sloppy play the ball from Okunbor.
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Mick O
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+x+x+xSh!t refereeing is inexcusable. Most of us have had to take extracurricula courses during our adult working lives in order to continue in our career. If I was as sh!t in enforcing the rules in my chosen field as some of these pea blowing buffoons I wouldn't be in my job for too long I can assure you. Maybe you should sign up to be a ref mate. Micko been there, done that. I was s schoolboy ref in the late 60's early 70's under the old 4 tackle rule. It is a thankless job both teams hate you and both sets of fans hate you. I'm in my mid 60's now, so way too late for me. Lol. Fair enough mate.
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Mick O
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We are looking great. Get the ball to Fox quick. That’s what we need. We are winning the battle in the middle. Just need to take our chances.
Jacob ‘creeks’ Kiraz is having a great debut. If he keeps playing with this much aggression he could be a superstar.
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+x,We are looking great. Get the ball to Fox quick. That’s what we need. We are winning the battle in the middle. Just need to take our chances.
Jacob ‘creeks’ Kiraz is having a great debut. If he keeps playing with this much aggression he could be a superstar. We should win from here, it will be a shame if we don't. Okunbor is the major worry.
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Now THAT was a bullsh!t try.
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