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Micko - 4 Sep 2022 4:42 PM
Great win. Great to see Burton ice the game. But he needs help. Hunt is not the answer for big money. We could miss better opportunities and I doubt we get him for less than three seasons. Two is too many. Do we need an experienced half? It didn’t work out that well for Brisbane. Or Saints. Canberra did better with a cheaper option. Cronulla also signed a great half who was playing fullback. Maybe a better option is available and we can’t see it yet. 

Our side has great fighting qualities and team spirit, but everything else needs a lot of work.

If CC can harness that team spirit and work ethic in the off season, we can start 2023 with better linespeed and defence. We can build a successful season on that.
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hounddog - 4 Sep 2022 5:47 PM
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Our side has great fighting qualities and team spirit, but everything else needs a lot of work.

If CC can hardness thst tesm spirit and work ethic in the off season, we can start 2023 with better linespeed and defence. We can build a successful season on that.

We didn't win too many forward battles this year. Hard to have success without a good base. That and a half with a bit of zip to go with some organising ability would be nice
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I hope our boys have an ansing World Cup if picked and the rest of them have a nice month off and then  have the absolute hell flogged out if ‘em fir 10 weeks…
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I hope our boys have an amazing World Cup if picked and the rest of them have a nice month off and then  have the absolute hell flogged out if ‘em for 10 weeks… they’ve earned it…
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What he said…
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Mooloolabadog - 4 Sep 2022 6:03 PM
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We didn't win too many forward battles this year. Hard to have success without a good base. That and a half with a bit of zip to go with some organising ability would be nice

Marki please help MDog understand it was a lack of fullbacks that lost the battle in the middle…
For line we were about 17 fullbacks short…
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dman2018 - 4 Sep 2022 7:43 PM
I hope our boys have an amazing World Cup if picked and the rest of them have a nice month off and then  have the absolute hell flogged out if ‘em for 10 weeks… they’ve earned it…

This post is strangely familiar 🤔
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hounddog - 4 Sep 2022 5:42 PM
Micko - 4 Sep 2022 4:44 PM

I am happy to leave it to the coach.

Hopefully a new coach will have sime new ideas.

All of the top sides have a strong forward pack.
This season is hard to judge we have had 3-4 props out  for various reasons for most of the season, the end result was we lost many yardage and possession battles, that makes it hard for the halfback.
Service from dummy-half also not ideal.

But overall I am not sold on Flanno.

Agree that I’m not sold either. But next year is make or break. If he performs with good service from dummy half he might be a keeper.

The team needs to improve the go forward. Improve set plays. And defence. Easy really 😆

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dman2018 - 4 Sep 2022 7:49 PM
Mooloolabadog - 4 Sep 2022 6:03 PM

Marki please help MDog understand it was a lack of fullbacks that lost the battle in the middle…
For line we were about 17 fullbacks short…

Better to have 30 fullbacks. Just in case of injury 
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Micko - 5 Sep 2022 11:23 AM
hounddog - 4 Sep 2022 5:42 PM

Agree that I’m not sold either. But next year is make or break. If he performs with good service from dummy half he might be a keeper.

The team needs to improve the go forward. Improve set plays. And defence. Easy really 😆

Knowing what to do and doing it are two different things unfortunately 
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My ‘Unsafe&defective’ team finished 634th of 140 odd thousand in SC this season… a fair result… 

For those who were backing Villi in, his Wolfpack finished just outside the top 10K… 

Now to sit back and finally enjoy some footy…
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dman2018 - 5 Sep 2022 3:15 PM
My ‘Unsafe&defective’ team finished 634th of 140 odd thousand in SC this season… a fair result… 

For those who were backing Villi in, his Wolfpack finished just outside the top 10K… 

Now to sit back and finally enjoy some footy…

I am proud to be too lazy and ignorant to do SC, but even happier to pile in and criticize Villi's lame efforts.

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hounddog - 4 Sep 2022 5:42 PM
Micko - 4 Sep 2022 4:44 PM

I am happy to leave it to the coach.

Hopefully a new coach will have sime new ideas.

All of the top sides have a strong forward pack.
This season is hard to judge we have had 3-4 props out  for various reasons for most of the season, the end result was we lost many yardage and possession battles, that makes it hard for the halfback.
Service from dummy-half also not ideal.

But overall I am not sold on Flanno.

You place far too much focus on the forwards and their domination.

Let's face it. We've had good enough posession over the years to score tries, but our halves simply aren't good enough to create anything.

The problem isn't the forwards. It's the inability to convert posession and pressure into points.

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dman2018 - 4 Sep 2022 7:49 PM
Mooloolabadog - 4 Sep 2022 6:03 PM

Marki please help MDog understand it was a lack of fullbacks that lost the battle in the middle…
For line we were about 17 fullbacks short…

17 Ben Hunts would certainly make us top 4 contenders...
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Mays 2 game NRLol suspension for assault off field doesn’t include finals…
Imagine a Dogs player did it… 3 years, club fined, -12 points…
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Marki - 5 Sep 2022 9:33 PM
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You place far too much focus on the forwards and their domination.

Let's face it. We've had good enough posession over the years to score tries, but our halves simply aren't good enough to create anything.

The problem isn't the forwards. It's the inability to convert posession and pressure into points.

Forwards is about winning the field position and posession battle.

Also some trys come from forward dominance, offloads, linebreaks, barge overs.

When Des was coach we gad good forwards and even made a GF, but the spine was inadequate.

This season, the spine while not perfect has been good enough to be in some games and win a few games with the pack being dominated.

But I do agree halfback is currently our biggest problem for 2023, if we had a pack like Des had in 2013 we could go deep into the semis with our cuurent spine.

But to win a comp, we need to fix both problems.

Picking a young inexperienced half like Hayward is difficult if our pack is being dominated.
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hounddog - 6 Sep 2022 5:17 PM
Marki - 5 Sep 2022 9:33 PM

Forwards is about winning the field position and posession battle.

Also some trys come from forward dominance, offloads, linebreaks, barge overs.

When Des was coach we gad good forwards and even made a GF, but the spine was inadequate.

This season, the spine while not perfect has been good enough to be in some games and win a few games with the pack being dominated.

But I do agree halfback is currently our biggest problem for 2023, if we had a pack like Des had in 2013 we could go deep into the semis with our cuurent spine.

But to win a comp, we need to fix both problems.

Picking a young inexperienced half like Hayward is difficult if our pack is being dominated.

We made two GFs…
Youre talking about Orgin winning halves…
I don’t think you gave the referee enough credit for those GF losses…
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Marki - 5 Sep 2022 9:33 PM
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You place far too much focus on the forwards and their domination.

Let's face it. We've had good enough posession over the years to score tries, but our halves simply aren't good enough to create anything.

The problem isn't the forwards. It's the inability to convert posession and pressure into points.

Not true at all mate. We have rarely had any dominance in the forwards since Hasler coached. 
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dman2018 - 6 Sep 2022 5:51 PM
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We made two GFs…
Youre talking about Orgin winning halves…
I don’t think you gave the referee enough credit for those GF losses…

Hodkinson and Reynolds were highly overrated. Hodko couldn’t get a gig after we punted him. Reynolds looked like rubbish ever since he left. Our forwards made them look good. Because they were coached exceptionally well. 

Remember our halves were Kas and Graham with Pritchard as second receiver. 

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Micko - 6 Sep 2022 7:40 PM
dman2018 - 6 Sep 2022 5:51 PM

Hodkinson and Reynolds were highly overrated. Hodko couldn’t get a gig after we punted him. Reynolds looked like rubbish ever since he left. Our forwards made them look good. Because they were coached exceptionally well. 

Remember our halves were Kas and Graham with Pritchard as second receiver. 

Sorry… add ;)
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Micko - 6 Sep 2022 7:25 PM
Marki - 5 Sep 2022 9:33 PM

Not true at all mate. We have rarely had any dominance in the forwards since Hasler coached. 

That's coz our hooker and halves dont rput our forwards over the advantage line.

We play flat footed and in the current landscape of gang tackling high and bending back flat footed players, it's no wonder we constantly lose the forward battle.

Not making line breaks also allows the defence to gang tackle, compounding the problem.

I'm expecting a significant improvement in the way we roll over the ad line with Reed.

I just hope our team collectively learns to play off him rather than he learns to play flat footed ffootball like the rest of our guys.....
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Marki - 6 Sep 2022 9:55 PM
Micko - 6 Sep 2022 7:25 PM

That's coz our hooker and halves dont rput our forwards over the advantage line.

We play flat footed and in the current landscape of gang tackling high and bending back flat footed players, it's no wonder we constantly lose the forward battle.

Not making line breaks also allows the defence to gang tackle, compounding the problem.

I'm expecting a significant improvement in the way we roll over the ad line with Reed.

I just hope our team collectively learns to play off him rather than he learns to play flat footed ffootball like the rest of our guys.....

Reed will give us the go forward to take on most teams. But he does need the forwards to be hitting the ad line. We really need to replace Vaughan. 

But if Pangai and Thommo play the majority or all games next year. We will be much better. I still think we are short a couple of hard running props though. 

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dman2018 - 6 Sep 2022 4:12 PM
Mays 2 game NRLol suspension for assault off field doesn’t include finals…
Imagine a Dogs player did it… 3 years, club fined, -12 points…

It is the NRL, so no surprises the way this organisation is run. Not so long ago there was no sanction for a guy (Gagai) belting the shit out of someone (Burto) while his mate (Tino) held him. You could go to gaol for that if it happened on the street.
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Mooloolabadog - 7 Sep 2022 9:17 AM
dman2018 - 6 Sep 2022 4:12 PM

It is the NRL, so no surprises the way this organisation is run. Not so long ago there was no sanction for a guy (Gagai) belting the shit out of someone (Burto) while his mate (Tino) held him. You could go to gaol for that if it happened on the street.

as very fair point you make
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Micko - 6 Sep 2022 7:40 PM
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Hodkinson and Reynolds were highly overrated. Hodko couldn’t get a gig after we punted him. Reynolds looked like rubbish ever since he left. Our forwards made them look good. Because they were coached exceptionally well. 

Remember our halves were Kas and Graham with Pritchard as second receiver. 

The fact of the matter is if we had Trent Hodkinson playing in 2012 we would have won ....he was injured in round 3 against Newcastle and Kris Keating who was a bench dummy half replacement for the Eels was foisted into the roll. Don't malign Hodkinson or if you do just don't do a Marki.  I reckon it would have been how far would we win by. He is unfairly maligned but unfortunately that started a string of injuries...which did affect his play. Go back to 2011 and check some of his play...I think round 3 against the cheating rorters would be a good illustration. But then again.....as far as Reynolds go I believe he was a better bench player than a starting player and his enthusiasm was often the factor that lifted us...if I said one game in particular against St George the pundits could name the year. 
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The NRLol will adjudicate however they see fit, as long as it fits in with their narrative and their agenda.
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Steveswr33333 - 7 Sep 2022 12:22 PM
Micko - 6 Sep 2022 7:40 PM

The fact of the matter is if we had Trent Hodkinson playing in 2012 we would have won ....he was injured in round 3 against Newcastle and Kris Keating who was a bench dummy half replacement for the Eels was foisted into the roll. Don't malign Hodkinson or if you do just don't do a Marki.  I reckon it would have been how far would we win by. He is unfairly maligned but unfortunately that started a string of injuries...which did affect his play. Go back to 2011 and check some of his play...I think round 3 against the cheating rorters would be a good illustration. But then again.....as far as Reynolds go I believe he was a better bench player than a starting player and his enthusiasm was often the factor that lifted us...if I said one game in particular against St George the pundits could name the year. 

Hodkinson was a good player, but injuries took a toll.

Reynolds was an ideal 14, and should have only been used in that role.

The fact remains that the last few years with Des coaching featured some of worst attacking football I have ever seen from a dogs side.

The pack and defence were good, so if the spine could have steered the side we would have won more games.
I also didn't agree with the recruitment of T-Rex and the way Des used him, while letting Taupau, Finucane and Pritchard go. The problem was a combination of the coach and the players, but mostly the coach.

What Des and Barrett seemed to have in common was a rigid, repetitive attacking style which was very limited, very slow and easy to defend against. All Des had was better defence. But since Des left our defence hasn't been up to speed, lots of reasons for that.

We need to look forward to the future, IMO we are only missing 2-3 key players, halfback and 1-2 starting props.
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Des at Manly might be ending in tears, Bennett is chasing the Turbos.

If Tommy goes to the Dolphins, and we have the opportunity, then make a play for Jake.

As much as I would like to sign Tommy, I doubt that we can match the Dolphins offer.

DCE also apparently not popular with some team mates.

My only disappointment with Manly melting down is it isn't Parra.

I hope Penrith burst Parra's bubble, we want to win our next premiership before they do.

All teams in the finals are a chance.

Sharks and Raiders are a bigger chance than many think.
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Steveswr33333 - 7 Sep 2022 12:22 PM
Micko - 6 Sep 2022 7:40 PM

The fact of the matter is if we had Trent Hodkinson playing in 2012 we would have won ....he was injured in round 3 against Newcastle and Kris Keating who was a bench dummy half replacement for the Eels was foisted into the roll. Don't malign Hodkinson or if you do just don't do a Marki.  I reckon it would have been how far would we win by. He is unfairly maligned but unfortunately that started a string of injuries...which did affect his play. Go back to 2011 and check some of his play...I think round 3 against the cheating rorters would be a good illustration. But then again.....as far as Reynolds go I believe he was a better bench player than a starting player and his enthusiasm was often the factor that lifted us...if I said one game in particular against St George the pundits could name the year. 

If Hodko played half in 2012 we could have finished bottom half of the eight like we did every other year with him playing half. But we will never know. The guy was similar to Flanno. Great defensive half. But there wasn’t much else. 
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Micko - 7 Sep 2022 7:22 PM
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If Hodko played half in 2012 we could have finished bottom half of the eight like we did every other year with him playing half. But we will never know. The guy was similar to Flanno. Great defensive half. But there wasn’t much else. 

Hodkinson had a better kicking game, and was slightly better at reading the attacking opportunity.
Lack of pace was a downside.

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