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+xDes at Manly might be ending in tears, Bennett is chasing the Turbos. If Tommy goes to the Dolphins, and we have the opportunity, then make a play for Jake. As much as I would like to sign Tommy, I doubt that we can match the Dolphins offer. DCE also apparently not popular with some team mates. My only disappointment with Manly melting down isn't Parra. I hope Penrith burst Parra's bubble, we want to win our next premiership before they do. All teams in the finals are a chance. Sharks and Raiders are a bigger chance than many think. Offer DCE big coin. He is what we need. Perfect foil for Burto.
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+x+xDes at Manly might be ending in tears, Bennett is chasing the Turbos. If Tommy goes to the Dolphins, and we have the opportunity, then make a play for Jake. As much as I would like to sign Tommy, I doubt that we can match the Dolphins offer. DCE also apparently not popular with some team mates. My only disappointment with Manly melting down isn't Parra. I hope Penrith burst Parra's bubble, we want to win our next premiership before they do. All teams in the finals are a chance. Sharks and Raiders are a bigger chance than many think. Offer DCE big coin. He is what we need. Perfect foil for Burto. He is already on big coin. I doubt that he is a good fit for us.
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Marki
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe've clawed back to only being 4 points down but as you said Mdog...unwatchable...well almost! At least and finally saw a Burton hero moment . Took till the last round but the win was gutsy . The start was a nightmare but we did well to hang in an ice the finish. I thought that we looked better with Docker-Clay at dummy half. In reserve grade BBO off with a leg injury after a hip-drop tackle. Wakeham and ZDC steer the team to victory. Marty Taupau unsigned for next season, might be worth considering. Josh Reyolds train and trial, getting the band back together Blues Bothers style. Those car chase scenes in the Blue Bothers a epic, like Dman on an emergency trip to Dan Murphy's. I reckon ZDC is the halfback within the club that might (and should) get a chance next year. He has proven he can be the dummy half spark off the bench, even though Reed will likely be expected to play 80mins. He could be. But I prefer Flanno. Maybe BBO. But I would like the coach to decide before next year. That way the halfback trains with the club all offseason. I am happy to leave it to the coach. Hopefully a new coach will have sime new ideas. All of the top sides have a strong forward pack. This season is hard to judge we have had 3-4 props out for various reasons for most of the season, the end result was we lost many yardage and possession battles, that makes it hard for the halfback. Service from dummy-half also not ideal. But overall I am not sold on Flanno. You place far too much focus on the forwards and their domination. Let's face it. We've had good enough posession over the years to score tries, but our halves simply aren't good enough to create anything. The problem isn't the forwards. It's the inability to convert posession and pressure into points. Forwards is about winning the field position and posession battle. Also some trys come from forward dominance, offloads, linebreaks, barge overs. When Des was coach we gad good forwards and even made a GF, but the spine was inadequate. This season, the spine while not perfect has been good enough to be in some games and win a few games with the pack being dominated. But I do agree halfback is currently our biggest problem for 2023, if we had a pack like Des had in 2013 we could go deep into the semis with our cuurent spine. But to win a comp, we need to fix both problems. Picking a young inexperienced half like Hayward is difficult if our pack is being dominated. We made two GFs… Youre talking about Orgin winning halves… I don’t think you gave the referee enough credit for those GF losses… Hodkinson and Reynolds were highly overrated. Hodko couldn’t get a gig after we punted him. Reynolds looked like rubbish ever since he left. Our forwards made them look good. Because they were coached exceptionally well.
Remember our halves were Kas and Graham with Pritchard as second receiver. The fact of the matter is if we had Trent Hodkinson playing in 2012 we would have won ....he was injured in round 3 against Newcastle and Kris Keating who was a bench dummy half replacement for the Eels was foisted into the roll. Don't malign Hodkinson or if you do just don't do a Marki. I reckon it would have been how far would we win by. He is unfairly maligned but unfortunately that started a string of injuries...which did affect his play. Go back to 2011 and check some of his play...I think round 3 against the cheating rorters would be a good illustration. But then again.....as far as Reynolds go I believe he was a better bench player than a starting player and his enthusiasm was often the factor that lifted us...if I said one game in particular against St George the pundits could name the year.
If Hodko played half in 2012 we could have finished bottom half of the eight like we did every other year with him playing half. But we will never know. The guy was similar to Flanno. Great defensive half. But there wasn’t much else. Well said. Good enough player to steer a team on a grind and with scores below 18 points. But useless when the opposition intends to score at least 4 tries, like the 2014 GF
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Marki
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+x+xDes at Manly might be ending in tears, Bennett is chasing the Turbos. If Tommy goes to the Dolphins, and we have the opportunity, then make a play for Jake. As much as I would like to sign Tommy, I doubt that we can match the Dolphins offer. DCE also apparently not popular with some team mates. My only disappointment with Manly melting down isn't Parra. I hope Penrith burst Parra's bubble, we want to win our next premiership before they do. All teams in the finals are a chance. Sharks and Raiders are a bigger chance than many think. Offer DCE big coin. He is what we need. Perfect foil for Burto. Agreed
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Marki
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+x+x+xDes at Manly might be ending in tears, Bennett is chasing the Turbos. If Tommy goes to the Dolphins, and we have the opportunity, then make a play for Jake. As much as I would like to sign Tommy, I doubt that we can match the Dolphins offer. DCE also apparently not popular with some team mates. My only disappointment with Manly melting down isn't Parra. I hope Penrith burst Parra's bubble, we want to win our next premiership before they do. All teams in the finals are a chance. Sharks and Raiders are a bigger chance than many think. Offer DCE big coin. He is what we need. Perfect foil for Burto. He is already on big coin. I doubt that he is a good fit for us. I agree with Micko. DCE is exactly what Burton needs
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The Hayward Flegg highlights at the awards night are something else.
I can't think of a Dogs player with the same ability to set up tries off kicks.
Hayward is the best lower grade half I have seen since Thurston, class always stands out like a beacon.
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+xThe Hayward Flegg highlights at the awards night are something else. I can't think of a Dogs player with the same ability to set up tries off kicks. Hayward is the best lower grade half I have seen since Thurston, class always stands out like a beacon. Hayward could roll a joint on some plays, smoke it, and still put in the kick for a try. Reminds me of a young Dman. Well part of it does.
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We do not want, nor do we need DCE. He is toxic and we don't need to have distractions during this phase of the rebuild.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe've clawed back to only being 4 points down but as you said Mdog...unwatchable...well almost! At least and finally saw a Burton hero moment . Took till the last round but the win was gutsy . The start was a nightmare but we did well to hang in an ice the finish. I thought that we looked better with Docker-Clay at dummy half. In reserve grade BBO off with a leg injury after a hip-drop tackle. Wakeham and ZDC steer the team to victory. Marty Taupau unsigned for next season, might be worth considering. Josh Reyolds train and trial, getting the band back together Blues Bothers style. Those car chase scenes in the Blue Bothers a epic, like Dman on an emergency trip to Dan Murphy's. I reckon ZDC is the halfback within the club that might (and should) get a chance next year. He has proven he can be the dummy half spark off the bench, even though Reed will likely be expected to play 80mins. He could be. But I prefer Flanno. Maybe BBO. But I would like the coach to decide before next year. That way the halfback trains with the club all offseason. I am happy to leave it to the coach. Hopefully a new coach will have sime new ideas. All of the top sides have a strong forward pack. This season is hard to judge we have had 3-4 props out for various reasons for most of the season, the end result was we lost many yardage and possession battles, that makes it hard for the halfback. Service from dummy-half also not ideal. But overall I am not sold on Flanno. You place far too much focus on the forwards and their domination. Let's face it. We've had good enough posession over the years to score tries, but our halves simply aren't good enough to create anything. The problem isn't the forwards. It's the inability to convert posession and pressure into points. Forwards is about winning the field position and posession battle. Also some trys come from forward dominance, offloads, linebreaks, barge overs. When Des was coach we gad good forwards and even made a GF, but the spine was inadequate. This season, the spine while not perfect has been good enough to be in some games and win a few games with the pack being dominated. But I do agree halfback is currently our biggest problem for 2023, if we had a pack like Des had in 2013 we could go deep into the semis with our cuurent spine. But to win a comp, we need to fix both problems. Picking a young inexperienced half like Hayward is difficult if our pack is being dominated. We made two GFs… Youre talking about Orgin winning halves… I don’t think you gave the referee enough credit for those GF losses… Hodkinson and Reynolds were highly overrated. Hodko couldn’t get a gig after we punted him. Reynolds looked like rubbish ever since he left. Our forwards made them look good. Because they were coached exceptionally well.
Remember our halves were Kas and Graham with Pritchard as second receiver. The fact of the matter is if we had Trent Hodkinson playing in 2012 we would have won ....he was injured in round 3 against Newcastle and Kris Keating who was a bench dummy half replacement for the Eels was foisted into the roll. Don't malign Hodkinson or if you do just don't do a Marki. I reckon it would have been how far would we win by. He is unfairly maligned but unfortunately that started a string of injuries...which did affect his play. Go back to 2011 and check some of his play...I think round 3 against the cheating rorters would be a good illustration. But then again.....as far as Reynolds go I believe he was a better bench player than a starting player and his enthusiasm was often the factor that lifted us...if I said one game in particular against St George the pundits could name the year.
If Hodko played half in 2012 we could have finished bottom half of the eight like we did every other year with him playing half. But we will never know. The guy was similar to Flanno. Great defensive half. But there wasn’t much else. Well said. Good enough player to steer a team on a grind and with scores below 18 points. But useless when the opposition intends to score at least 4 tries, like the 2014 GF More than once the thought has gone through my head that Marki and Mick-0 are the same person....am I as delusional as they are?
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Marki
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+xThe Hayward Flegg highlights at the awards night are something else. I can't think of a Dogs player with the same ability to set up tries off kicks. Hayward is the best lower grade half I have seen since Thurston, class always stands out like a beacon. Wow. Only seen him in a couple of NSW cup games and honestly.... saw nothing. ZDC and even Wakeham looked better. I might pay more attention to him next year but was horrified this year when Gus said "the next halfback is already at the club"
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xWe've clawed back to only being 4 points down but as you said Mdog...unwatchable...well almost! At least and finally saw a Burton hero moment . Took till the last round but the win was gutsy . The start was a nightmare but we did well to hang in an ice the finish. I thought that we looked better with Docker-Clay at dummy half. In reserve grade BBO off with a leg injury after a hip-drop tackle. Wakeham and ZDC steer the team to victory. Marty Taupau unsigned for next season, might be worth considering. Josh Reyolds train and trial, getting the band back together Blues Bothers style. Those car chase scenes in the Blue Bothers a epic, like Dman on an emergency trip to Dan Murphy's. I reckon ZDC is the halfback within the club that might (and should) get a chance next year. He has proven he can be the dummy half spark off the bench, even though Reed will likely be expected to play 80mins. He could be. But I prefer Flanno. Maybe BBO. But I would like the coach to decide before next year. That way the halfback trains with the club all offseason. I am happy to leave it to the coach. Hopefully a new coach will have sime new ideas. All of the top sides have a strong forward pack. This season is hard to judge we have had 3-4 props out for various reasons for most of the season, the end result was we lost many yardage and possession battles, that makes it hard for the halfback. Service from dummy-half also not ideal. But overall I am not sold on Flanno. You place far too much focus on the forwards and their domination. Let's face it. We've had good enough posession over the years to score tries, but our halves simply aren't good enough to create anything. The problem isn't the forwards. It's the inability to convert posession and pressure into points. Forwards is about winning the field position and posession battle. Also some trys come from forward dominance, offloads, linebreaks, barge overs. When Des was coach we gad good forwards and even made a GF, but the spine was inadequate. This season, the spine while not perfect has been good enough to be in some games and win a few games with the pack being dominated. But I do agree halfback is currently our biggest problem for 2023, if we had a pack like Des had in 2013 we could go deep into the semis with our cuurent spine. But to win a comp, we need to fix both problems. Picking a young inexperienced half like Hayward is difficult if our pack is being dominated. We made two GFs… Youre talking about Orgin winning halves… I don’t think you gave the referee enough credit for those GF losses… Hodkinson and Reynolds were highly overrated. Hodko couldn’t get a gig after we punted him. Reynolds looked like rubbish ever since he left. Our forwards made them look good. Because they were coached exceptionally well.
Remember our halves were Kas and Graham with Pritchard as second receiver. The fact of the matter is if we had Trent Hodkinson playing in 2012 we would have won ....he was injured in round 3 against Newcastle and Kris Keating who was a bench dummy half replacement for the Eels was foisted into the roll. Don't malign Hodkinson or if you do just don't do a Marki. I reckon it would have been how far would we win by. He is unfairly maligned but unfortunately that started a string of injuries...which did affect his play. Go back to 2011 and check some of his play...I think round 3 against the cheating rorters would be a good illustration. But then again.....as far as Reynolds go I believe he was a better bench player than a starting player and his enthusiasm was often the factor that lifted us...if I said one game in particular against St George the pundits could name the year.
If Hodko played half in 2012 we could have finished bottom half of the eight like we did every other year with him playing half. But we will never know. The guy was similar to Flanno. Great defensive half. But there wasn’t much else. Well said. Good enough player to steer a team on a grind and with scores below 18 points. But useless when the opposition intends to score at least 4 tries, like the 2014 GF More than once the thought has gone through my head that Marki and Mick-0 are the same person....am I as delusional as they are? Funny you should say that. You are not alone.
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I find the statement by Gould that Taylan May should be congratulated amazing. Taylan May is lucky that he was not facing more serious charges. He was not part of the conversation, he approached and assaulted the victim from behind, hence the magistrate's cowardly description. As the victim fell backwards as a result of the assault the back of his head narrowly missed the squared off edge of what looks like a planter box . If the back of his head hits that edge, and it was only chance that it didn't, it could have resulted in death or brain injury. The consequences could have been a lot more serious.
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+x+x+x+xDes at Manly might be ending in tears, Bennett is chasing the Turbos. If Tommy goes to the Dolphins, and we have the opportunity, then make a play for Jake. As much as I would like to sign Tommy, I doubt that we can match the Dolphins offer. DCE also apparently not popular with some team mates. My only disappointment with Manly melting down isn't Parra. I hope Penrith burst Parra's bubble, we want to win our next premiership before they do. All teams in the finals are a chance. Sharks and Raiders are a bigger chance than many think. Offer DCE big coin. He is what we need. Perfect foil for Burto. He is already on big coin. I doubt that he is a good fit for us. I agree with Micko. DCE is exactly what Burton needs Exactly what he needs. DCE would make Burto the best player in the game. He could just run and pass to Kiks and the Fox.
But I doubt it happens. So I trust Gus and Ciro to find us the closest option available. A game managing half with a good kicking game will do.
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+xThe Hayward Flegg highlights at the awards night are something else. I can't think of a Dogs player with the same ability to set up tries off kicks. Hayward is the best lower grade half I have seen since Thurston, class always stands out like a beacon. I rate the kid. Could be a superstar. Has the best football nous I have seen of any junior for years. But I don’t know if he will transition to first grade. I hope he does though.
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+x+xThe Hayward Flegg highlights at the awards night are something else. I can't think of a Dogs player with the same ability to set up tries off kicks. Hayward is the best lower grade half I have seen since Thurston, class always stands out like a beacon. Wow. Only seen him in a couple of NSW cup games and honestly.... saw nothing. ZDC and even Wakeham looked better. I might pay more attention to him next year but was horrified this year when Gus said "the next halfback is already at the club" My guess is that Hayward is the one, if not BBO. But I expect Hayward to mostly play NSW cup next season. When he first came into NSW cup, he played on the left and did some nice passes and kicks. Later on he played a more passive role, not sure why they changed things, but they are not rushing him. Odviously he js totally dominant playing in his age group and that doesn't always transfer to NRL. His chip kicks seem to have backspin, the placement and length is close to perfect, not many players have that precision. But the pressure on the kicker in flegg is lacking.
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Aasistant coach Furner has signed with the Tigers for next year. Probably Ciraldo had a quiet word to Gus. How many coaches do Tigers have now? Lol.....
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+xAasistant coach Furner has signed with the Tigers for next year. Probably Ciraldo had a quiet word to Gus. How many coaches do Tigers have now? Lol..... Their problem is a level of administration above coachi.
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+x+x+xThe Hayward Flegg highlights at the awards night are something else. I can't think of a Dogs player with the same ability to set up tries off kicks. Hayward is the best lower grade half I have seen since Thurston, class always stands out like a beacon. Wow. Only seen him in a couple of NSW cup games and honestly.... saw nothing. ZDC and even Wakeham looked better. I might pay more attention to him next year but was horrified this year when Gus said "the next halfback is already at the club" My guess is that Hayward is the one, if not BBO. But I expect Hayward to mostly play NSW cup next season. When he first came into NSW cup, he played on the left and did some nice passes and kicks. Later on he played a more passive role, not sure why they changed things, but they are not rushing him. Odviously he js totally dominant playing in his age group and that doesn't always transfer to NRL. His chip kicks seem to have backspin, the placement and length is close to perfect, not many players have that precision. But the pressure on the kicker in flegg is lacking. Kicking has never been easier than it is in today's game. Defences 10 metres back, kicking tees, all weather balls, protection by refs. In years gone by the kicker would be belted into the next post code if they took as long to kick as they get today. As long as they have the ability to kick they should be able to do it a game.
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Calling it now… flat track bullies Parra can’t win after that try…
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+xCalling it now… flat track bullies Parra can’t win after that try… Ha Ha sucked in Parra, I always enjoy a Parra loss.
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Good call.
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What Cleary did tonight Burton will do for us. And in the big games.
They remind me of Johns and Fittler. Both fantastic kickers with all round games.
We need to surround Burto with players that compliment him. Kikau and Mahoney is a great start.
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+xWhat Cleary did tonight Burton will do for us. And in the big games.
They remind me of Johns and Fittler. Both fantastic kickers with all round games.
We need to surround Burto with players that compliment him. Kikau and Mahoney is a great start. Either Cleary will be an immortal or Burton isn't anywhere near the level coz the gap between them is huge. Yes he needs good platers around him, but Cleary is just as inexperienced and young and rarely plays a bad game and completely dominates. Chalk and cheese
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+x+xWhat Cleary did tonight Burton will do for us. And in the big games.
They remind me of Johns and Fittler. Both fantastic kickers with all round games.
We need to surround Burto with players that compliment him. Kikau and Mahoney is a great start. Either Cleary will be an immortal or Burton isn't anywhere near the level coz the gap between them is huge. Yes he needs good platers around him, but Cleary is just as inexperienced and young and rarely plays a bad game and completely dominates. Chalk and cheese Cleary has a lot more NRL experience in the halves, Burton has lots of improvement to come. Hayward is more of a specalist halfback, at a young age his kicking and passing is good. Hsyward might lack the floating bomb, but Burton has it. At the opponents end Hayward has the vision and skill to execute good kicks. Luai isn't a bad player, but Burton is a better player.
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The Panthers have particular tackle styles that they use.
One is - 2 players hold a guy upright and a 3rd guy lifts one leg only.
CC and Gus will bring those techniques here.
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+x+xWhat Cleary did tonight Burton will do for us. And in the big games.
They remind me of Johns and Fittler. Both fantastic kickers with all round games.
We need to surround Burto with players that compliment him. Kikau and Mahoney is a great start. Either Cleary will be an immortal or Burton isn't anywhere near the level coz the gap between them is huge. Yes he needs good platers around him, but Cleary is just as inexperienced and young and rarely plays a bad game and completely dominates. Chalk and cheese Cleary is on the right trajectory … but a long way off reaching those heights… His rare ordinary games have often come in big games… That said, re ‘the gap’ he’s a couple of years older than Burto, he plays a different position, the Panthers stifled his development for a year playing him in the centres, first year at new club, playing next to mostly plodders…
You’ve been down on Burto since rd 1…
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+xThe Panthers have particular tackle styles that they use. One is - 2 players hold a guy upright and a 3rd guy lifts one leg only. CC and Gus will bring those techniques here. They also are given more leniency in the ruck than most…
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+x+x+xWhat Cleary did tonight Burton will do for us. And in the big games.
They remind me of Johns and Fittler. Both fantastic kickers with all round games.
We need to surround Burto with players that compliment him. Kikau and Mahoney is a great start. Either Cleary will be an immortal or Burton isn't anywhere near the level coz the gap between them is huge. Yes he needs good platers around him, but Cleary is just as inexperienced and young and rarely plays a bad game and completely dominates. Chalk and cheese Cleary has a lot more NRL experience in the halves, Burton has lots of improvement to come. Hayward is more of a specalist halfback, at a young age his kicking and passing is good. Hsyward might lack the floating bomb, but Burton has it. At the opponents end Hayward has the vision and skill to execute good kicks. Luai isn't a bad player, but Burton is a better player. Luai clearly not well yesterday. Didn't see him do the "stacks-on" after the Penrith tries, although I missed the JFH try so not sure if he did it there. He wasn't even in the frame when the others scored. Luai is much more of a play maker than Burton right now and for the last few years. Doesn't kick long as well as Burton but he doesn't need to. He has Cleary for that. He's just a natural 5/8th.
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+xThe Panthers have particular tackle styles that they use. One is - 2 players hold a guy upright and a 3rd guy lifts one leg only. CC and Gus will bring those techniques here. Good observation. You forgot to add that they pirouette the player who is probably submitting in the tackle out of fear he might find his limb laying beside his face when hits the deck.
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+x+x+xWhat Cleary did tonight Burton will do for us. And in the big games.
They remind me of Johns and Fittler. Both fantastic kickers with all round games.
We need to surround Burto with players that compliment him. Kikau and Mahoney is a great start. Either Cleary will be an immortal or Burton isn't anywhere near the level coz the gap between them is huge. Yes he needs good platers around him, but Cleary is just as inexperienced and young and rarely plays a bad game and completely dominates. Chalk and cheese Cleary is on the right trajectory … but a long way off reaching those heights… His rare ordinary games have often come in big games… That said, re ‘the gap’ he’s a couple of years older than Burto, he plays a different position, the Panthers stifled his development for a year playing him in the centres, first year at new club, playing next to mostly plodders…
You’ve been down on Burto since rd 1… I'm sure Burton will improve in a better team. But I hate it when player and manager stick their hand out for a bigger pay check when the player hasn't delivered on his current pay check. Got no problems him asking for top money at left centre. But to ask it at 5/8th and still needing a top halfback in the team so he can be "unlocked" is where I call BS. We are simply paying him.for his boot. And even that has a price ceiling.
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