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Marki - 10 Sep 2022 12:09 PM
hounddog - 10 Sep 2022 6:27 AM

Luai clearly not well yesterday.
Didn't see him do the "stacks-on" after the Penrith tries, although I missed the JFH try so not sure if he did it there.

He wasn't even in the frame when the others scored.

Luai is much more of a play maker than Burton right now and for the last few years. Doesn't kick long as well as Burton but he doesn't need to. He has Cleary for that. He's just a natural 5/8th.

Can someone dig up the post from last year or the year before where the stated Romy was shit and he sit him on his arse please…
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Marki - 9 Sep 2022 10:58 PM
Micko - 9 Sep 2022 10:18 PM

Either Cleary will be an immortal or Burton isn't anywhere near the level coz the gap between them is huge.

Yes he needs good platers around him, but Cleary is just as inexperienced and young and rarely plays a bad game and completely dominates.

Chalk and cheese

You do realise that Cleary is almost three years older. Has played almost 150 games and has been playing with the players around him since he was a baby. 

Burton has just over fifty games. Half with his current team and has played out of position for most of his career in first grade so far. 

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Marki - 10 Sep 2022 12:16 PM
dman2018 - 10 Sep 2022 11:01 AM

I'm sure Burton will improve in a better team.
But I hate it when player and manager stick their hand out for a bigger pay check when the player hasn't delivered on his current pay check.

Got no problems him asking for top money at left centre. But to ask it at 5/8th and still needing a top halfback in the team so he can be "unlocked" is where I call BS.

We are simply paying him.for his boot. And even that has a price ceiling.

I can’t believe you can’t see the potential of Burto. DCE and Reynolds who you both think are superstars couldn’t take their teams to the finals. Burto was the main reason we won games this year. 
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dman2018 - 10 Sep 2022 11:02 AM
hounddog - 10 Sep 2022 6:30 AM

They also are given more leniency in the ruck than most…

Teams that get the leniency have a strategy to tip the odds in their favour.

The Panthers keep the guy upright but have strategies to drive them backwards and flip them over.

They also regularly drag plsyers on the ground backwards.

Once smart coaches realised that the game can be won at the ruck it was the begining of a blight on the game, surrendering in tackles, wrestle moves, moving off the mark, not standing before placing the ball, the list of bad crap is endless.

However, if we want to beat them, we need to join them. The best way to get something made illegal is for the Dogs to do it.
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Micko - 10 Sep 2022 1:16 PM
Marki - 10 Sep 2022 12:16 PM

I can’t believe you can’t see the potential of Burto. DCE and Reynolds who you both think are superstars couldn’t take their teams to the finals. Burto was the main reason we won games this year. 

Also Burto is a 5/8, not a halfback.

I would not swap him for any other 5/8 in the comp.

We need a good halfback, then Burton will reslly shine.
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hounddog - 10 Sep 2022 1:26 PM
dman2018 - 10 Sep 2022 11:02 AM

Teams that get the leniency have a strategy to tip the odds in their favour.

The Panthers keep the guy upright but have strategies to drive them backwards and flip them over.

They also regularly drag plsyers on the ground backwards.

Once smart coaches realised that the game can be won at the ruck it was the begining of a blight on the game, surrendering in tackles, wrestle moves, moving off the mark, not standing before placing the ball, the list of bad crap is endless.

However, if we want to beat them, we need to join them. The best way to get something made illegal is for the Dogs to do it.

It’s the dragging of players on the ground that should be stopped… they get away with second effort like that all the time…
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Micko - 10 Sep 2022 1:16 PM
Marki - 10 Sep 2022 12:16 PM

I can’t believe you can’t see the potential of Burto. DCE and Reynolds who you both think are superstars couldn’t take their teams to the finals. Burto was the main reason we won games this year. 

I saw the potential in Burton about 3 years ago where he was playing in the halves and nearly won a game in Golden point. Took about 5 field goals, hit the posts on 2 ocassions and missed the other 3 but I thought wow, this kid has potential.

But here we are 3 years later still thinking this kid has great potential. Sure he played most of last year at centre and did it exceptionally well. No one is arguing that. But he hasn't done enough for me to say he is a top level 5/8th that can command top 5/8th dollars nor can he organise a team.

For me, the jury is still out whether he is a Latrell or Manu or Inglis type player (better centre but can fill in at 5/8th) or he will make it as a top paid 5/8th.

How many years do you give him?

Do you think penrith has many regrets losing him after this year?



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Marki - 10 Sep 2022 3:17 PM
Micko - 10 Sep 2022 1:16 PM

I saw the potential in Burton about 3 years ago where he was playing in the halves and nearly won a game in Golden point. Took about 5 field goals, hit the posts on 2 ocassions and missed the other 3 but I thought wow, this kid has potential.

But here we are 3 years later still thinking this kid has great potential. Sure he played most of last year at centre and did it exceptionally well. No one is arguing that. But he hasn't done enough for me to say he is a top level 5/8th that can command top 5/8th dollars nor can he organise a team.

For me, the jury is still out whether he is a Latrell or Manu or Inglis type player (better centre but can fill in at 5/8th) or he will make it as a top paid 5/8th.

How many years do you give him?

Do you think penrith has many regrets losing him after this year?



Well that is a Clive Churchill medal and the Australian captaincy in the bag for Burto.

#TheMockIsPowerful
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hounddog - 10 Sep 2022 3:40 PM
Marki - 10 Sep 2022 3:17 PM

Well that is a Clive Churchill medal and the Australian captaincy in the bag for Burto.

#TheMockIsPowerful

You forgot several Nobel Prizes , Pulitzers and even Academy Awards. It is probably the usual thing...wanting to hear his own voice ...of course Penrith wish they still had him...as do the 14 other teams (soon to be 15))
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Bellamy has to switch Munster and Meaney.
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hounddog - 10 Sep 2022 6:26 PM
Bellamy has to switch Munster and Meaney.

Jamie Soward did teach Meaney tackle technique.
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Reserve grade had a good win.
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Good win by the Raiders.

Yes, the Raiders props definately set up the win.
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Exciting game, good semi final series, all ga mes are competitive.
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A lot of people from all different forums still think Burton is a centre, so I will keep sounding it out.... Burton is NOT a centre, he is a 5/8 that has had the luxury of being played out of position and absolutely killed it as a centre.
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ODF - 10 Sep 2022 10:32 PM
A lot of people from all different forums still think Burton is a centre, so I will keep sounding it out.... Burton is NOT a centre, he is a 5/8 that has had the luxury of being played out of position and absolutely killed it as a centre.

You can be good at both you know and he is.
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Re Taylan May. If he is suspended from Friday night can he serve the suspension in 2023, 4, 5 or 6? If he has to miss a match through injury can he bring it forward to the next game. If he has to miss more than  1 game through injury can he bring his 2 match  suspension forward to this year? PVL is obviously very selective in his application of the rules around suspensions. As I've  said before "flash as a rat with a gold tooth".
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ODF - 10 Sep 2022 10:32 PM
A lot of people from all different forums still think Burton is a centre, so I will keep sounding it out.... Burton is NOT a centre, he is a 5/8 that has had the luxury of being played out of position and absolutely killed it as a centre.

Outside Cleary and Kiks, inside To’o as well, behind a pack that dominated… I doubt a Dally M. At centre likely playing at the Tigers or say us…

Peoples expectations way too high in his full first year as a first grade half… We all saw what he is capable of, another off season to build combos and a little more consistency will make a huge difference…

A lot of people are idiots…


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Mooloolabadog - 10 Sep 2022 10:44 PM
Re Taylan May. If he is suspended from Friday night can he serve the suspension in 2023, 4, 5 or 6? If he has to miss a match through injury can he bring it forward to the next game. If he has to miss more than  1 game through injury can he bring his 2 match  suspension forward to this year? PVL is obviously very selective in his application of the rules around suspensions. As I've  said before "flash as a rat with a gold tooth".

He missed a few games injured in reserve grade last year.. that’s punishment enough…
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Caitlin Moran (or is it Moron) should be given a lifetime ban for comments she made about the Queen. It seems she is playing the indigenous card to justify the  terribly dumb and ill placed post. It is time the NRL showed a bit of gumption.  Ban her from playing in today's NRL Women's game. One post I read said it all...to paraphrase "it seems total stupidity is not the sole domain of the male Newcastle NRL team"
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Steveswr33333 - 11 Sep 2022 10:57 AM
Caitlin Moran (or is it Moron) should be given a lifetime ban for comments she made about the Queen. It seems she is playing the indigenous card to justify the  terribly dumb and ill placed post. It is time the NRL showed a bit of gumption.  Ban her from playing in today's NRL Women's game. One post I read said it all...to paraphrase "it seems total stupidity is not the sole domain of the male Newcastle NRL team"

As long as staunch pro republicans and Meghan Markel fans go to work on the 22nd or leave without pay I’ll be happy…

The post is in poor taste at very best… however deleting the post says more about the individuals character than the emotion driven content…




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dman2018 - 11 Sep 2022 12:13 PM
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As long as staunch pro republicans and Meghan Markel fans go to work on the 22nd or leave without pay I’ll be happy…

The post is in poor taste at very best… however deleting the post says more about the individuals character than the emotion driven content…



It was hardly emotion driven. She had plenty of time to think before she wrote. It just shows she is of exceptionally weak character and is totally lacking in class. 
Contrast with "By his own admission, Nelson Mandela was an anglophile, and in the years after his release from prison cultivated a close relationship with the Queen," the Nelson Mandela Foundation wrote in a statement, sending condolences to the royal family.

"They also talked on the phone frequently, using their first names with each other as a sign of mutual respect as well as affection."


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Steveswr33333 - 10 Sep 2022 4:54 PM
hounddog - 10 Sep 2022 3:40 PM

You forgot several Nobel Prizes , Pulitzers and even Academy Awards. It is probably the usual thing...wanting to hear his own voice ...of course Penrith wish they still had him...as do the 14 other teams (soon to be 15))

You didn't answer the question.

I didn't ask if Penrith still want him.
I asked if Penrith regret losing him?

Theres a difference. 
Of course they would want to have him. He was their best centre last year and helped them win a premiership. But now they have filled his spot (adequately) and charging towards another title. Do they regret losing him? Unlikely. 

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ODF - 10 Sep 2022 10:32 PM
A lot of people from all different forums still think Burton is a centre, so I will keep sounding it out.... Burton is NOT a centre, he is a 5/8 that has had the luxury of being played out of position and absolutely killed it as a centre.

Burton is certainly one of the better rising stars of the game.

But when he has plated 2 full seasons of first grade and has shown to be one of the top 3 centres in the game in 1 year but struggles to be one of top 6 5/8ths in the other year, you are drawing a long bow suggesting he is a 5/8th that was played out of position.

I'd suggest you wait till he proves himself at 5/8th before making wild predictions like that.

Even Lockyer and Inglis had to prove themselves over afew years before being considered suitable for 5/8th roles after excelling in other positions. Burton is no different. Prove yourself first.
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dman2018 - 11 Sep 2022 9:27 AM
ODF - 10 Sep 2022 10:32 PM

Outside Cleary and Kiks, inside To’o as well, behind a pack that dominated… I doubt a Dally M. At centre likely playing at the Tigers or say us…

Peoples expectations way too high in his full first year as a first grade half… We all saw what he is capable of, another off season to build combos and a little more consistency will make a huge difference…

A lot of people are idiots…


Its not the point.
He played enough games at 5/8th in that Panthers squad and didn't set the world on fire. Minute he plays centre for them (and even in origin) he excels. 

Like MDog stated below. He can be good at both. He has however only proven it in 1 position thus far. Potential is there. But it's also clear he needs a gun half to take responsibility away and unlock him. If we put our eggs in his basket and starve ourselves a top half, the decision can backfire.

I'm hoping Gus can make this clear to both Burton and his manager. 
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Marki - 11 Sep 2022 12:44 PM
Steveswr33333 - 10 Sep 2022 4:54 PM

You didn't answer the question.

I didn't ask if Penrith still want him.
I asked if Penrith regret losing him?

Theres a difference. 
Of course they would want to have him. He was their best centre last year and helped them win a premiership. But now they have filled his spot (adequately) and charging towards another title. Do they regret losing him? Unlikely. 

The answer is yes...a resounding yes. only a person auditioning for the role of village idiot would suggest otherwise. Taylan May would not play if Burton was an alternate choice. 
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Steveswr33333 - 11 Sep 2022 12:31 PM
dman2018 - 11 Sep 2022 12:13 PM

It was hardly emotion driven. She had plenty of time to think before she wrote. It just shows she is of exceptionally weak character and is totally lacking in class. 
Contrast with "By his own admission, Nelson Mandela was an anglophile, and in the years after his release from prison cultivated a close relationship with the Queen," the Nelson Mandela Foundation wrote in a statement, sending condolences to the royal family.

"They also talked on the phone frequently, using their first names with each other as a sign of mutual respect as well as affection."


Am in no way defending the comments… Agree it shows a lack of class… as said the sign of character for mine is more deleting the post and not displaying courage of conviction…

I never understand people wishing ill on others or celebrating someone’s death … it’s happened on here, this year… 

You only have to look at the headlines from MSM the last couple of days to see what plebeians are really concerned about.. what happens to our coins, do we get a public holiday, what happens to our existing public holiday, push for republic etc etc…

That said, generational trauma is real… and not exclusive to indigenous Australians… and it’s a thing my Aboriginal mates are trying to ensure they don’t pass on to their kids like it was passed on to them as they don’t believe it helpful…

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Marki - 11 Sep 2022 12:57 PM
dman2018 - 11 Sep 2022 9:27 AM

Its not the point.
He played enough games at 5/8th in that Panthers squad and didn't set the world on fire. Minute he plays centre for them (and even in origin) he excels. 

Like MDog stated below. He can be good at both. He has however only proven it in 1 position thus far. Potential is there. But it's also clear he needs a gun half to take responsibility away and unlock him. If we put our eggs in his basket and starve ourselves a top half, the decision can backfire.

I'm hoping Gus can make this clear to both Burton and his manager. 

So he’s playing his first games in 1st grade, in a side that was missing 7-9 players on origin duty and he’s supposed to set the world on fire???…

Do we really need a top half or just a good game manger to free up Burto???… I wouldn’t call the Cows halves guns… they’re one game from a GF…
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hounddog - 10 Sep 2022 10:10 PM
Exciting game, good semi final series, all ga mes are competitive.

Interesting how the bunker and red stayed right out of things in extra time with things that normally draw a penalty… Im glad they did.. they should adopt that approach every week…
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