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+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Apparently we can just sign Hint or DCE at a whim according to some… Hint has been dropping.... And the Broncs fans will never forget… If we get a discount for past chokes,, we can afford Hint, Moses and a big mac.
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+xI am expecting the Burton / Fox combo to bounce back in 2024. Burto is the best attacking kicker in the game, Fox still has the speed to turn half chances into tries. I hope Critter plays left centre he can also pass and kick for Fox, Critter will fix the defence on that side. Throw in Kicks and it is a potent left edge. Right edge needs the fullback joining the line to be potent... Yes, I would like to see Burto answer his critic (singular) in the best possible way. Lol. Don't hold your breathe. He's had 2 years to prove himself. Another year or two at the Panthers, although they quickly realised he didn't show enough and moved him out of the key position. To be a worthy 5/8ty you need a minimum of 2 of 4 attributes: Kicking, Passing, Running, Defence Burton has 1 of these. He is badly lacking in Passing ability (doesn't look like he'll ever have it) and Defence (one of the poorest 5/8th defenders. His running game is also absent when he plays 5/8th and nowhere near the level it is needed. He would have to improve drastically in at least one of the 3 missing attributes above if he is to be a recognised 5/8th. Technically needs to cover 3 of them well, but I just don't think he has it....time will tell I suppose, but I don't think we have the time to waste anymore.
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+x+x+x+xI still say a lot of our tries in 2022 were from Burto Kicks for Fox. Try scoring in 2023 was mixed, but Averillo and Reed featured more highly... Fox and Burto didn't have a great start to 2023 and that lingered on. Burto most try assists for the Team… just not as many with Fox who was injured for a bit… 3rd highest TA for 5/8 in the comp from memory… And from memory had more assists than both $6M men… admittedly played a few more games… but relatively speaking there or there abouts… 2nd year as a 1st grade half syndrome… You're sugar coating those stats. But I will give you that he is /was our best available halves player in the list. Obviously when you have neglected the spine for so many years and coach too stubborn to play the right man at FB, you rely heavily on your one best half and naturally his stats are stacked given no one else gets to share those stats. The issue is, he is not improving any near what everyone anticipated. In fact IMO he is going backwards. I saw it before Gus extended his deal. Now we have an overpriced player in a key position. He could easily become one of the most overrated players of all time. But it's up to him. In no way sugar coated… If he had no one around him for the D to focus on it probably makes it tougher to get TAs… As for becoming one of the most overrated players, he has many years of failure and a few significant salary increases before he leap frogs Mutch Misses and a few other current halves currently playing, let alone ever… You're entitled to your opinion. But I truly believe Moses has him covered at the same age.
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+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards
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+x+xI am expecting the Burton / Fox combo to bounce back in 2024. Burto is the best attacking kicker in the game, Fox still has the speed to turn half chances into tries. I hope Critter plays left centre he can also pass and kick for Fox, Critter will fix the defence on that side. Throw in Kicks and it is a potent left edge. Right edge needs the fullback joining the line to be potent... Yes, I would like to see Burto answer his critic (singular) in the best possible way. Lol. Don't hold your breathe. He's had 2 years to prove himself. Another year or two at the Panthers, although they quickly realised he didn't show enough and moved him out of the key position. To be a worthy 5/8ty you need a minimum of 2 of 4 attributes: Kicking, Passing, Running, Defence Burton has 1 of these. He is badly lacking in Passing ability (doesn't look like he'll ever have it) and Defence (one of the poorest 5/8th defenders. His running game is also absent when he plays 5/8th and nowhere near the level it is needed. He would have to improve drastically in at least one of the 3 missing attributes above if he is to be a recognised 5/8th. Technically needs to cover 3 of them well, but I just don't think he has it....time will tell I suppose, but I don't think we have the time to waste anymore. Passing is his weakest area. Defence needs improvement but way better than Moses for the first 7-8 years of his career.
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What ever happened to Villi?
His team is flying high. Thought he'd be in here telling us about it. Especially since Dman loves soccer and all....
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+xWhat ever happened to Villi? His team is flying high. Thought he'd be in here telling us about it. Especially since Dman loves soccer and all.... Dman's sister has Villi chained up in a dungeon.... apparently...
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+x+xWhat ever happened to Villi? His team is flying high. Thought he'd be in here telling us about it. Especially since Dman loves soccer and all.... Dman's sister has Villi chained up in a dungeon.... apparently... Sexual Vilification?
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+x+xI am expecting the Burton / Fox combo to bounce back in 2024. Burto is the best attacking kicker in the game, Fox still has the speed to turn half chances into tries. I hope Critter plays left centre he can also pass and kick for Fox, Critter will fix the defence on that side. Throw in Kicks and it is a potent left edge. Right edge needs the fullback joining the line to be potent... Yes, I would like to see Burto answer his critic (singular) in the best possible way. Another year or two at the Panthers, although they quickly realised he didn't show enough and moved him out of the key position. You talk about me sugar coating stats, and then you come up with this nonsense… He filled in on the odd occasion for Romy when required, and did a reasonable job… To suggest he played 5/8 for two years and was dropped is bullsh1t coating…
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+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus.
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+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. I don't think Gus and the club are looking for a quick fix. We are looking for sustainable success which is a different target. I am not claiming CC got everything right, but with the squad we had and the injuries we copped, we finished about where we should have, but some performances were well below what they should have been,. Some of the suggested quick fix player signings are similar, we might make the 8 for a season or 2, but as the signings reach their use-by date or as a lack of cap space bites we would have tumbled back down the table.
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The issue with the Tigers signing Romy is, do they have a premiership window?
They have a lot of good young players, their squad is better than recent results.
One player and a bit more leadership can make a difference...
Our squad isn't at the level where all that we need is a good half.
We need to sort the forwards out and build depth.
I am sure Hutch will mentor a few young guys and turn them into better players. We may be able to develop a half,
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Massive Bats… pads.. helmets… gloves… arm guards… thigh pads… box… inner thigh guard… chest guard… two bouncers an over… carpets for outfields… only 2 behind square on the leg..
Youd think 22 blokes were in hospital the way some are carrying on…
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+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???…
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+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???…
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+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???… I meant the players from this year that were here last year played worse. Barrett got more out of some of the players than Ciro did.
I’m happy to give Ciro a year or two to teach the players his systems. But it was a shame most of them looked poor under his coaching.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???… We should have signed Reynolds when we had the chance. But agree with your point there weren’t many options.
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+x+x+xI am expecting the Burton / Fox combo to bounce back in 2024. Burto is the best attacking kicker in the game, Fox still has the speed to turn half chances into tries. I hope Critter plays left centre he can also pass and kick for Fox, Critter will fix the defence on that side. Throw in Kicks and it is a potent left edge. Right edge needs the fullback joining the line to be potent... Yes, I would like to see Burto answer his critic (singular) in the best possible way. Another year or two at the Panthers, although they quickly realised he didn't show enough and moved him out of the key position. You talk about me sugar coating stats, and then you come up with this nonsense… He filled in on the odd occasion for Romy when required, and did a reasonable job… To suggest he played 5/8 for two years and was dropped is bullsh1t coating… I wasn't suggesting he played 2 full seasons there in the halves. We all know he was a fill-in in the halves, but once they moved him into the centres they didn't immediately go to him in the halves again and opted for May and others ahead of him when Cleary and/or Luai were unavailable. That's my point.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???… We've been through this before..... We had a chance to sign AR, Hunt (second time) and possibly even DCE. We had our eggs in the Burton-Flanagan basket and both have been underwhelming. This rhetoric of "who could we realistically sign" is just hogwash. You are and I are not tasked with making it happen. Gus is and the GM before him. I honestly don't know why you keep defending the issue. We gambled and Burton and Flanagan and lost. Simple
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???… I meant the players from this year that were here last year played worse. Barrett got more out of some of the players than Ciro did.
I’m happy to give Ciro a year or two to teach the players his systems. But it was a shame most of them looked poor under his coaching. This is the greatest disappointment. Our roster improves on paper but the results are getting poorer. Hopefully Ciraldo has come to realise he can't just expect the players to miraculously play the way he envisages. He either has to inherit the whole Penrith team for that or change his tune and coach the players to their best ability. Or he'll be under the pump.
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+x+x+x+xI am expecting the Burton / Fox combo to bounce back in 2024. Burto is the best attacking kicker in the game, Fox still has the speed to turn half chances into tries. I hope Critter plays left centre he can also pass and kick for Fox, Critter will fix the defence on that side. Throw in Kicks and it is a potent left edge. Right edge needs the fullback joining the line to be potent... Yes, I would like to see Burto answer his critic (singular) in the best possible way. Another year or two at the Panthers, although they quickly realised he didn't show enough and moved him out of the key position. You talk about me sugar coating stats, and then you come up with this nonsense… He filled in on the odd occasion for Romy when required, and did a reasonable job… To suggest he played 5/8 for two years and was dropped is bullsh1t coating… I wasn't suggesting he played 2 full seasons there in the halves. We all know he was a fill-in in the halves, but once they moved him into the centres they didn't immediately go to him in the halves again and opted for May and others ahead of him when Cleary and/or Luai were unavailable. That's my point. Just make your point succinctly the first time instead of bullsh1tting to suit your point and walking it back…
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???… I meant the players from this year that were here last year played worse. Barrett got more out of some of the players than Ciro did.
I’m happy to give Ciro a year or two to teach the players his systems. But it was a shame most of them looked poor under his coaching. Fair enough… a couple of players at best… and guys like Kiraz and King weren’t hampered by injury like they were last year…
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???… We've been through this before..... We had a chance to sign AR, Hunt (second time) and possibly even DCE. We had our eggs in the Burton-Flanagan basket and both have been underwhelming. This rhetoric of "who could we realistically sign" is just hogwash. You are and I are not tasked with making it happen. Gus is and the GM before him. I honestly don't know why you keep defending the issue. We gambled and Burton and Flanagan and lost. Simple So by eggs in one basket you mean we had already signed players or already had contracted players before ARey became available… Flanno was contracted before Gus and Co were even here… There is such a thing as the cap… and both current and former Board explained how hamstrung we were courtesy of Dib and Co… and who could we realistically sign ain’t hogwash… I mean FFS you just claimed we could’ve signed DCE… what a fantasy land you live in… Arey wasn’t available when we signed Flanno… He was still working with Souths to stay there when we signed Burto… he wanted multi year and even his own club didn’t offer him that… Broncs missed the 8 in his first year with a blooming pack and backline… and made the GF behind close to the pack in the comp with him missing half a dozen games through the year (funny how Mutch Misses missing a couple of games was enough for you to make excuses for Parra with a very good side not making the 8)… let’s see what happens next year before calling it an out and out success… Hunt same boat re when he became available… and they already had en extension in front of him… he never went to market… and the current leadership spoke to him when the chance presented, but it didn’t matter cos Dragons weren’t meeting him go… Plus his squad has been better than ours overall and how have they gone???… DCE was available???… More absolute complete and utter bullsh1t…
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Hey Mockstradamus…
Funny how you can predict the future at the same time as getting the past and present completely arse up…
Pre 2020 club in turmoil courtesy of Dib and Co… Club in the way to the bottom… who would have wanted to come here???…
October 2020 Flanno signs…
Jan 2021 new board???…
November 2020 Burton signs with us for 22 onwards…
July 2021 Gus signs…
We sign Kiks, Critter, Curran and a bunch of other available players… yea, available… and get rid of a bunch of flops…
October 2021 Hunt re-signs not going to market…
Stop blaming current leaders fir dap they had no control over…
Stop expecting us to literally break the law by inducing someone to break contract..
And stop inventing sh1t…
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x2024 will be a true indicator of where we are at. In 2023 I noticed some good individual performances by our forwards, Preston, King, Patolo, Hughes, Morrin (especially) and Edwards. These ultimately came to nothing because our spine or other players fumbled the play we ended up losing the field position and possession battle. Another issue was King got injured, Hughes and Patolo were battling long term injuries, even Preston got injured eventually. Next issue the young guys were inconsistent and often backed up a good performance with a below average performance or after a few good weeks dropped off the pace. Averillo and Kiraz in the backs were similar. Burton and Fox were good in 2022, but didn't hit that standard in 2023. A lot is going to come down to completions, end of set options and execution in 2024. If there is no improvement in those areas, our spine needs a major overhaul and we need to look at expensive options like Luai. 10 weeks might be long enough to judge, I think that the forwards can give the spine a bit more help. If is a chicken and egg situation. Team-mates can help each other out, or make life harder for each other. Fence sitter! C'mon mate. We were rubbish both years. Rubbish. We need improvement and we need it alot quicker than the guts have served up. Player improvement is minimal and in fact offset badly by the significant amount of players who went backwards. Our ladder position is no mirage. We are a bottom ladder team and lucky to not have more spoons given Broncos took it with a poor F/A a couple of years ago and Tigers/Dragons were in disarray last few years also. No doubt CC and Gus have their work cut out. I expect a decent amount of improvement in 2024 otherwise my support of those 2 will be gone Is it really fair that you expect the team to play better but you believe our roster isn’t any better or even worse?
I’m annoyed as much as any other fan but there is little else that Gus can do to improve our team next year. There simply isn’t anything special on the market. Just need the players to play near the potential mate. Not expecting miracles. I know the roster isn't the greatest (that's on Gus and CC by the way). But they can at least have the players playing near their potential. It was unacceptable to have nearly 85% of the roster going backwards Agree with you there. That’s why I didn’t mention Ciro. He could certainly do a better job at coaching the team. A lot of players have played better under other coaches. But I’m willing to give him time as a rookie coach. My preference was always signing an experienced coach and halfback. We did neither and that’s on Gus. The players who played better under other coaches, were they also playing with a better, more experienced line up???… Which experienced available 7 should Gus have signed???… Which experienced available Coach should we have signed???… I meant the players from this year that were here last year played worse. Barrett got more out of some of the players than Ciro did.
I’m happy to give Ciro a year or two to teach the players his systems. But it was a shame most of them looked poor under his coaching. This is the greatest disappointment. Our roster improves on paper but the results are getting poorer. Hopefully Ciraldo has come to realise he can't just expect the players to miraculously play the way he envisages. He either has to inherit the whole Penrith team for that or change his tune and coach the players to their best ability. Or he'll be under the pump. You fail to acknowledge the massive injury toll last year… I’ve never, ever seen anything like it… ever… our 7 never got better on paper… a very young side, one that was forced to play 300 players through the year (thought I’d embellish that number as embellishment is your go to)… First year coach, probably should be given a year at least to find his feet, especially with such a poor pack and inexperienced squad… You call it excuses, fine… suits the negative narrative… The only actual bad move I see the current leaders have made was signing TPJ…
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Is there a single person here that wouldn’t have been concerned about Areys injury history had we signed him???…
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The best boy about next year other than the actual positives is we only have to finish in the first 16 for Mockstradamus to be wrong… again…
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+xThe best boy about next year other than the actual positives is we only have to finish in the first 16 for Mockstradamus to be wrong… again… Best bot*
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+x+xThe best boy about next year other than the actual positives is we only have to finish in the first 16 for Mockstradamus to be wrong… again… Best bot* Fekking magic phones… Best Bit*
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+x+x+x+x+xI am expecting the Burton / Fox combo to bounce back in 2024. Burto is the best attacking kicker in the game, Fox still has the speed to turn half chances into tries. I hope Critter plays left centre he can also pass and kick for Fox, Critter will fix the defence on that side. Throw in Kicks and it is a potent left edge. Right edge needs the fullback joining the line to be potent... Yes, I would like to see Burto answer his critic (singular) in the best possible way. Another year or two at the Panthers, although they quickly realised he didn't show enough and moved him out of the key position. You talk about me sugar coating stats, and then you come up with this nonsense… He filled in on the odd occasion for Romy when required, and did a reasonable job… To suggest he played 5/8 for two years and was dropped is bullsh1t coating… I wasn't suggesting he played 2 full seasons there in the halves. We all know he was a fill-in in the halves, but once they moved him into the centres they didn't immediately go to him in the halves again and opted for May and others ahead of him when Cleary and/or Luai were unavailable. That's my point. Just make your point succinctly the first time instead of bullsh1tting to suit your point and walking it back… I did. You just misinterpreted it the first time. My point still stands.
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