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+x+xI watched the Panthers game, they were not quite as impressive as the score line suggests. The Cows kept shooting themselves in both feet, reloading and doing it again. Payten might be the first coach sacked this season, funky team selection and strategy, that was an abysmal failure. They showed some grit in defence, but threw a lot of hopeless forward passes, that were honesty comical. Felt stuffed up 2 kicks offs and the Panthers stuffed up 2-3 tries. Cows almost succeeded in draging the Panthers down to their level. I think Payten is on thin edge when he sticks the boot into arguably his best player and one of the best running forwards of the last 5 years. He really shouldnt have gone public with his comments about Talmalolo. He could rub off badly with his players and create internal rift Exactly if a coach isn't happy with a player, call him in for a frank one-on-one. He selected 3 hookers, left the grub Maguire on the bench and benched big JT for a lot of minutes. The Cows were ordinary, their attack was clunky, it was a poor performance, so it is a bad time for a coach to come out with ill consdered comments. Big JT is a legend at the Cows he has been great for them, that is the worst game I've seen him play, by some margin and he didn't look happy. Good coaching is keeping your players happy and motivated, all of them, but particularly the leaders. The Roosters, Storm, Rabbits and Panthers already look the goods. Some of the other teams look like they could be set for a bad season. We need to climb a few rungs on the ladder, the opportunity is there, any win against a top 6 side is a bonus, but make sure we beat the bottom 4 every game.
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+xI watched the Panthers game, they were not quite as impressive as the score line suggests. The Cows kept shooting themselves in both feet, reloading and doing it again. Payten might be the first coach sacked this season, funky team selection and strategy, that was an abysmal failure. They showed some grit in defence, but threw a lot of hopeless forward passes, that were honesty comical. Felt stuffed up 2 kicks offs and the Panthers stuffed up 2-3 tries. Cows almost succeeded in draging the Panthers down to their level. I think Payten is on thin edge when he sticks the boot into arguably his best player and one of the best running forwards of the last 5 years. He really shouldnt have gone public with his comments about Talmalolo. He could rub off badly with his players and create internal rift
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+xI reckon there’s a sneaky chance Burton may be here Rnd 3. I base it on nothing more than Penrith being narky enough not to let him play against them early season.
But maybe they’re narkier than that too. I tend to have the same belief. James Hooper touched on it on MMM today. Once round 2 is over, the negotiations will recommence.
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+x+xTolman just gave a shout out to Marki as he walked off for halftime Tols will probably score 3 tries in the 2nd half and get 3 try assists. When interviewed after the match he will say ....."ha ha haaa .. Marki ... I was just winding you up" Close but no cigar....😁
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+xTolman just gave a shout out to Marki as he walked off for halftime Tols will probably score 3 tries in the 2nd half and get 3 try assists. When interviewed after the match he will say ....."ha ha haaa .. Marki ... I was just winding you up"
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Tolman just gave a shout out to Marki as he walked off for halftime
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I watched the Panthers game, they were not quite as impressive as the score line suggests.
The Cows kept shooting themselves in both feet, reloading and doing it again.
Payten might be the first coach sacked this season, funky team selection and strategy, that was an abysmal failure.
They showed some grit in defence, but threw a lot of hopeless forward passes, that were honesty comical.
Felt stuffed up 2 kicks offs and the Panthers stuffed up 2-3 tries.
Cows almost succeeded in draging the Panthers down to their level.
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I reckon there’s a sneaky chance Burton may be here Rnd 3. I base it on nothing more than Penrith being narky enough not to let him play against them early season.
But maybe they’re narkier than that too.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI reckon every prop in the club who’s played NRL excepting Hetherington and Thompson have had their chance. Ogden, Renouf are never gonna make it, Napa’s past it. And I don’t necessarily think “size” is the answer. Napa has size, so does Klemmer, but they’re two styles of prop I think the modern game is gonna pass by, too much just hit ups and nothing else, no steps, no skills and then tiring out. The prototypes for the future can bend the line yet still have mobility and have skill - Paulo and Papa are two good examples, and yeah I know their big, but there’s bigger. Thommo’s got a great chance of joining them. Napa is well past his best. We are missing a good starting prop. Odgen and Renouf are ok off the bench and occasionally starting, both have improvement in them, NRL bench props of their quality are not common. Best to keep what we have. Tommo should be starting lock, unfortunately that means Jacko coming off the bench. But like Odgen and Renouf, Jacko is a more than handy squad player. We need a bit more size impact and skill, mobility is important for the starting prop, but no necessarily long minutes. If that prop helps set the tone the rest of side can keep it going. Essentially replace Napa with a proper senior prop we are mostly there. We also need a couple of young guys with a bit of size to contend for bench positions. You guys are still missing the point. We have too few players that have the urgency to hit the line and go for a quick run. Thompson, RFM, Elliott, Dietz and DWZ. The rest just dont have it and never will. If they play in a team full of players that hit the offence line running, they might lift themselves to do the same. But to take the initiative themselves - no chance. Inability to win the territorial battle has been hindering this team for the last 20 years. Dietz needs to work on his defence. About 3 bad missed tackles in a row, a big part of 2 second half knights tries. Came off HIA, so might have been affected. His attack is good, defence is a potential problem. The team actually attacked way better than games in recent seasons, but defence up the middle was soft. Posession, Dietz, a lack of Tommo and Tolman all problems. In fact Tommo will do a lot to improve this side in attack and defence. We need to do a bit of work on defence and cutting out silly dropped balls. Our side has points in it for the first time in ages, stop the last Knights try in the first half and get a bit more possession in the first 20 of the 2nd half, we might have been right in it. But no team can afford soft defence up the middle, that is why no NRL coach picks 17 Ben Barbas. HD I'm sure every coach thinks "if we just did abit more of this or abit less of that, it would have been a different result. Well duh.... Rugby league is about preparing yourself to beat the opposition and if the game is in the balance, taking your chances when they present themselves or forcing the chances to come. At the moment, we cant force anything. Barrett knows this. Pay knew this. The challenge is to change the way the team plays to be able to adjust to whatever the situation is. It was disappointing to have lost yesterdays game well before the 60min mark. No doubt the 6 again rule played a part, but we need to be better at nullifying it Actually Pay and Baz are reasonably good a pinpointing what went wrong. Baz has more options and quality in key spine positions. We need more of the defensive grit we had last year. Most disappointing for me was Hoppa's miss on Best, I think a centre should make that one-on-one stop, I don't expect Hoppa to make that kind of miss often. For one other try Dietz was left posted with a low one on one on a prop. Many players miss that kind of tackle, but JMK, Wakeham and Lewis have at least a 50% success ratio. Defense is easier to fix, a lot of it was bad reads, leaving a team mate posted in a one on one, and a lack of numbers and shoulders in tackles. However we did also make some good try savers... I'll be happy if we score onky 3-4 tries each week, provided we only concede 1 or 2. One key difference is Lewis and Flanagan, Lewis will prevent opposition points, Flanagan might concede a few, but hopefully sets up more tries than he concedes. Ditto for Averillo We had limited ball at the Newcastle end, in spite of that 3 tries and another couple of good opportunities. Couldn’t agree more with everything you say except that defence isn’t that easy a fix. It’s hard work snd the boys need to dig a bit deeper.
But that game was a lot closer than the score line showed. Fair point, When I said easy to fix, I really ment that it is easy to identify what needs to be fixed. Fixing it means players need to learn and adapt. The try Barnett scored before half time (which really hurt us) was a bad read by Flano. Hetherington had the ball player covered and you can see his reaction when Flano also went for him only to allow Barnett a free run at the tryline. He was pissed off. Those kind of adjustments arent difficult to make. I'm sure Barrett will spot it on the video session and talk to Flano. All he needs to do is have confidence in his inside defender and only assist in the tackle once his inside defender has a hold of the player. Dietz 1 on 1 with Saifiti running at him 5m from the line was always going to be difficult. Not many would stop that. He did in fact slow him.down by an ankle tackle but needed someone with him to stop him before the tryline. Slippery conditions didnt help. Newcastle scored afew tries from miss or poor tackles. We on the other hand scored tries from creating numbers out wide and cut out passes. I'll wait to see us play in dry conditions to assess how we go defensively. One thing for sure is that our tackling isnt aggressive. It's very passive and allows opposition to make easy metres even after contact with our defenders. Hopefully we can change this through the year. As always Marki sounds like he is quoting from the worst self-help guru around but could you imagine how the criticism would have been had someone else rather than his new best friend Brad Deitz been beaten all ends up as he was when Saffiti scored his second. Not sure what you're smoking Steve, but Dman wants some... I just rewatched the replay of that Saifiti 2nd try and there really wasn't much chance of stopping that try. Dietz shot out of the line to meet Saifiti 5m out but he was too big. It was a well rehearsed move as Saifiti was the second man running, with a decoy inside him, who if he also got the ball (3m out) would have scored also. If that was the Dogs, we would send a single forward on a settler into the waiting defence who would bend him back and we'd see the slowest play the ball. We have done that move in the past with Lichaa or JMK finding a 2nd runner in a 1 on 1 and we have also scored, but it's rare. It just goes to show that if you keep pushing up in attack, you can alienate defenders and give yourself a chance to break the tackle. Dietz' size disadvantage was there to see on that one, but you can hardly blame him for not trying. I do think our attack looks much better already. Even Katoa looked to put on a few decent passes. Most players were pushing up in attack and defence. It was just the lack of possession and the dropped ball that beat us. If we hold into the ball and get a fair go by the ref we could knock over Penrith. It is an interesting season because we don't know what to expect. We need some improvement in defence and posession or the Panthers could carve us up. The difference this year is we have the potential to carve teams up, if we get a run of posession, score sone tries and keep completing. If we can drag the Panthers into a close contest Averillo, Elliott and Cotric have the X-factor to make the match winning play. On the other side, the Panthers have 6-7 players with X-factor. We can't win a high scoring shoot out, the Panthers have too many points in them. One way we can win is a low scoring defensive dog fight, with our players delivering the match winning score. Or we can win but getting a run of possession, taking our opportunities and holding on. I am not expecting a win, but fans need to be optimistic. But I do think this is a good time to play them, with them coming off a big win. If the Panthers lead by 12 or more at any stage our chances of a win drop to close to zero. I do think we have the team to come back from 12-18 down agianst bottom half of the table clubs. Yes attack is a lot better, but Baz needs to get the defence up to scratch. Any poor defenders will be well and truly exposed by the Panthers. If that happens time to consider changes. I am mainly talking about Dietz, Katoa, Hoppa, Napa and DWZ here, the sum total of their trial and round 1 form is marginal. If we get some possession we certainly look likely to score. Let’s hope we get a good run and it may be an enjoyable game.
Hoppa and DWZ certainly will be replaced next year. I just don’t know if they can be this year. We don’t look well stocked in the backs. Napa might be in reserves when Thompson comes back but once again not great depth. JMK will come in for one of Dietz no matter what unfortunately.
I just am looking forward to watching some entertaining footy. Next year I’ll be expecting more on the park and some very big signings
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It wasnt so much dropped ball.... it was losing the ball in a tackle.
Just before kickoff I was worried for DWZ who notoriously loses the ball in tackles but he became the least of the problem, while guys like Allan who are typically solid with ball just couldnt stop spilling it.
Knights did get a try when DWZ knocked on in front of his own goal posts. In the 1st half I thought he might've been "cured" of the constant turnovers, but there it was...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI reckon every prop in the club who’s played NRL excepting Hetherington and Thompson have had their chance. Ogden, Renouf are never gonna make it, Napa’s past it. And I don’t necessarily think “size” is the answer. Napa has size, so does Klemmer, but they’re two styles of prop I think the modern game is gonna pass by, too much just hit ups and nothing else, no steps, no skills and then tiring out. The prototypes for the future can bend the line yet still have mobility and have skill - Paulo and Papa are two good examples, and yeah I know their big, but there’s bigger. Thommo’s got a great chance of joining them. Napa is well past his best. We are missing a good starting prop. Odgen and Renouf are ok off the bench and occasionally starting, both have improvement in them, NRL bench props of their quality are not common. Best to keep what we have. Tommo should be starting lock, unfortunately that means Jacko coming off the bench. But like Odgen and Renouf, Jacko is a more than handy squad player. We need a bit more size impact and skill, mobility is important for the starting prop, but no necessarily long minutes. If that prop helps set the tone the rest of side can keep it going. Essentially replace Napa with a proper senior prop we are mostly there. We also need a couple of young guys with a bit of size to contend for bench positions. You guys are still missing the point. We have too few players that have the urgency to hit the line and go for a quick run. Thompson, RFM, Elliott, Dietz and DWZ. The rest just dont have it and never will. If they play in a team full of players that hit the offence line running, they might lift themselves to do the same. But to take the initiative themselves - no chance. Inability to win the territorial battle has been hindering this team for the last 20 years. Dietz needs to work on his defence. About 3 bad missed tackles in a row, a big part of 2 second half knights tries. Came off HIA, so might have been affected. His attack is good, defence is a potential problem. The team actually attacked way better than games in recent seasons, but defence up the middle was soft. Posession, Dietz, a lack of Tommo and Tolman all problems. In fact Tommo will do a lot to improve this side in attack and defence. We need to do a bit of work on defence and cutting out silly dropped balls. Our side has points in it for the first time in ages, stop the last Knights try in the first half and get a bit more possession in the first 20 of the 2nd half, we might have been right in it. But no team can afford soft defence up the middle, that is why no NRL coach picks 17 Ben Barbas. HD I'm sure every coach thinks "if we just did abit more of this or abit less of that, it would have been a different result. Well duh.... Rugby league is about preparing yourself to beat the opposition and if the game is in the balance, taking your chances when they present themselves or forcing the chances to come. At the moment, we cant force anything. Barrett knows this. Pay knew this. The challenge is to change the way the team plays to be able to adjust to whatever the situation is. It was disappointing to have lost yesterdays game well before the 60min mark. No doubt the 6 again rule played a part, but we need to be better at nullifying it Actually Pay and Baz are reasonably good a pinpointing what went wrong. Baz has more options and quality in key spine positions. We need more of the defensive grit we had last year. Most disappointing for me was Hoppa's miss on Best, I think a centre should make that one-on-one stop, I don't expect Hoppa to make that kind of miss often. For one other try Dietz was left posted with a low one on one on a prop. Many players miss that kind of tackle, but JMK, Wakeham and Lewis have at least a 50% success ratio. Defense is easier to fix, a lot of it was bad reads, leaving a team mate posted in a one on one, and a lack of numbers and shoulders in tackles. However we did also make some good try savers... I'll be happy if we score onky 3-4 tries each week, provided we only concede 1 or 2. One key difference is Lewis and Flanagan, Lewis will prevent opposition points, Flanagan might concede a few, but hopefully sets up more tries than he concedes. Ditto for Averillo We had limited ball at the Newcastle end, in spite of that 3 tries and another couple of good opportunities. Couldn’t agree more with everything you say except that defence isn’t that easy a fix. It’s hard work snd the boys need to dig a bit deeper.
But that game was a lot closer than the score line showed. Fair point, When I said easy to fix, I really ment that it is easy to identify what needs to be fixed. Fixing it means players need to learn and adapt. The try Barnett scored before half time (which really hurt us) was a bad read by Flano. Hetherington had the ball player covered and you can see his reaction when Flano also went for him only to allow Barnett a free run at the tryline. He was pissed off. Those kind of adjustments arent difficult to make. I'm sure Barrett will spot it on the video session and talk to Flano. All he needs to do is have confidence in his inside defender and only assist in the tackle once his inside defender has a hold of the player. Dietz 1 on 1 with Saifiti running at him 5m from the line was always going to be difficult. Not many would stop that. He did in fact slow him.down by an ankle tackle but needed someone with him to stop him before the tryline. Slippery conditions didnt help. Newcastle scored afew tries from miss or poor tackles. We on the other hand scored tries from creating numbers out wide and cut out passes. I'll wait to see us play in dry conditions to assess how we go defensively. One thing for sure is that our tackling isnt aggressive. It's very passive and allows opposition to make easy metres even after contact with our defenders. Hopefully we can change this through the year. As always Marki sounds like he is quoting from the worst self-help guru around but could you imagine how the criticism would have been had someone else rather than his new best friend Brad Deitz been beaten all ends up as he was when Saffiti scored his second. Not sure what you're smoking Steve, but Dman wants some... I just rewatched the replay of that Saifiti 2nd try and there really wasn't much chance of stopping that try. Dietz shot out of the line to meet Saifiti 5m out but he was too big. It was a well rehearsed move as Saifiti was the second man running, with a decoy inside him, who if he also got the ball (3m out) would have scored also. If that was the Dogs, we would send a single forward on a settler into the waiting defence who would bend him back and we'd see the slowest play the ball. We have done that move in the past with Lichaa or JMK finding a 2nd runner in a 1 on 1 and we have also scored, but it's rare. It just goes to show that if you keep pushing up in attack, you can alienate defenders and give yourself a chance to break the tackle. Dietz' size disadvantage was there to see on that one, but you can hardly blame him for not trying. I do think our attack looks much better already. Even Katoa looked to put on a few decent passes. Most players were pushing up in attack and defence. It was just the lack of possession and the dropped ball that beat us. If we hold into the ball and get a fair go by the ref we could knock over Penrith. It is an interesting season because we don't know what to expect. We need some improvement in defence and posession or the Panthers could carve us up. The difference this year is we have the potential to carve teams up, if we get a run of posession, score sone tries and keep completing. If we can drag the Panthers into a close contest Averillo, Elliott and Cotric have the X-factor to make the match winning play. On the other side, the Panthers have 6-7 players with X-factor. We can't win a high scoring shoot out, the Panthers have too many points in them. One way we can win is a low scoring defensive dog fight, with our players delivering the match winning score. Or we can win but getting a run of possession, taking our opportunities and holding on. I am not expecting a win, but fans need to be optimistic. But I do think this is a good time to play them, with them coming off a big win. If the Panthers lead by 12 or more at any stage our chances of a win drop to close to zero. I do think we have the team to come back from 12-18 down agianst bottom half of the table clubs. Yes attack is a lot better, but Baz needs to get the defence up to scratch. Any poor defenders will be well and truly exposed by the Panthers. If that happens time to consider changes. I am mainly talking about Dietz, Katoa, Hoppa, Napa and DWZ here, the sum total of their trial and round 1 form is marginal.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI reckon every prop in the club who’s played NRL excepting Hetherington and Thompson have had their chance. Ogden, Renouf are never gonna make it, Napa’s past it. And I don’t necessarily think “size” is the answer. Napa has size, so does Klemmer, but they’re two styles of prop I think the modern game is gonna pass by, too much just hit ups and nothing else, no steps, no skills and then tiring out. The prototypes for the future can bend the line yet still have mobility and have skill - Paulo and Papa are two good examples, and yeah I know their big, but there’s bigger. Thommo’s got a great chance of joining them. Napa is well past his best. We are missing a good starting prop. Odgen and Renouf are ok off the bench and occasionally starting, both have improvement in them, NRL bench props of their quality are not common. Best to keep what we have. Tommo should be starting lock, unfortunately that means Jacko coming off the bench. But like Odgen and Renouf, Jacko is a more than handy squad player. We need a bit more size impact and skill, mobility is important for the starting prop, but no necessarily long minutes. If that prop helps set the tone the rest of side can keep it going. Essentially replace Napa with a proper senior prop we are mostly there. We also need a couple of young guys with a bit of size to contend for bench positions. You guys are still missing the point. We have too few players that have the urgency to hit the line and go for a quick run. Thompson, RFM, Elliott, Dietz and DWZ. The rest just dont have it and never will. If they play in a team full of players that hit the offence line running, they might lift themselves to do the same. But to take the initiative themselves - no chance. Inability to win the territorial battle has been hindering this team for the last 20 years. Dietz needs to work on his defence. About 3 bad missed tackles in a row, a big part of 2 second half knights tries. Came off HIA, so might have been affected. His attack is good, defence is a potential problem. The team actually attacked way better than games in recent seasons, but defence up the middle was soft. Posession, Dietz, a lack of Tommo and Tolman all problems. In fact Tommo will do a lot to improve this side in attack and defence. We need to do a bit of work on defence and cutting out silly dropped balls. Our side has points in it for the first time in ages, stop the last Knights try in the first half and get a bit more possession in the first 20 of the 2nd half, we might have been right in it. But no team can afford soft defence up the middle, that is why no NRL coach picks 17 Ben Barbas. HD I'm sure every coach thinks "if we just did abit more of this or abit less of that, it would have been a different result. Well duh.... Rugby league is about preparing yourself to beat the opposition and if the game is in the balance, taking your chances when they present themselves or forcing the chances to come. At the moment, we cant force anything. Barrett knows this. Pay knew this. The challenge is to change the way the team plays to be able to adjust to whatever the situation is. It was disappointing to have lost yesterdays game well before the 60min mark. No doubt the 6 again rule played a part, but we need to be better at nullifying it Actually Pay and Baz are reasonably good a pinpointing what went wrong. Baz has more options and quality in key spine positions. We need more of the defensive grit we had last year. Most disappointing for me was Hoppa's miss on Best, I think a centre should make that one-on-one stop, I don't expect Hoppa to make that kind of miss often. For one other try Dietz was left posted with a low one on one on a prop. Many players miss that kind of tackle, but JMK, Wakeham and Lewis have at least a 50% success ratio. Defense is easier to fix, a lot of it was bad reads, leaving a team mate posted in a one on one, and a lack of numbers and shoulders in tackles. However we did also make some good try savers... I'll be happy if we score onky 3-4 tries each week, provided we only concede 1 or 2. One key difference is Lewis and Flanagan, Lewis will prevent opposition points, Flanagan might concede a few, but hopefully sets up more tries than he concedes. Ditto for Averillo We had limited ball at the Newcastle end, in spite of that 3 tries and another couple of good opportunities. Couldn’t agree more with everything you say except that defence isn’t that easy a fix. It’s hard work snd the boys need to dig a bit deeper.
But that game was a lot closer than the score line showed. Fair point, When I said easy to fix, I really ment that it is easy to identify what needs to be fixed. Fixing it means players need to learn and adapt. The try Barnett scored before half time (which really hurt us) was a bad read by Flano. Hetherington had the ball player covered and you can see his reaction when Flano also went for him only to allow Barnett a free run at the tryline. He was pissed off. Those kind of adjustments arent difficult to make. I'm sure Barrett will spot it on the video session and talk to Flano. All he needs to do is have confidence in his inside defender and only assist in the tackle once his inside defender has a hold of the player. Dietz 1 on 1 with Saifiti running at him 5m from the line was always going to be difficult. Not many would stop that. He did in fact slow him.down by an ankle tackle but needed someone with him to stop him before the tryline. Slippery conditions didnt help. Newcastle scored afew tries from miss or poor tackles. We on the other hand scored tries from creating numbers out wide and cut out passes. I'll wait to see us play in dry conditions to assess how we go defensively. One thing for sure is that our tackling isnt aggressive. It's very passive and allows opposition to make easy metres even after contact with our defenders. Hopefully we can change this through the year. As always Marki sounds like he is quoting from the worst self-help guru around but could you imagine how the criticism would have been had someone else rather than his new best friend Brad Deitz been beaten all ends up as he was when Saffiti scored his second. Not sure what you're smoking Steve, but Dman wants some... I just rewatched the replay of that Saifiti 2nd try and there really wasn't much chance of stopping that try. Dietz shot out of the line to meet Saifiti 5m out but he was too big. It was a well rehearsed move as Saifiti was the second man running, with a decoy inside him, who if he also got the ball (3m out) would have scored also. If that was the Dogs, we would send a single forward on a settler into the waiting defence who would bend him back and we'd see the slowest play the ball. We have done that move in the past with Lichaa or JMK finding a 2nd runner in a 1 on 1 and we have also scored, but it's rare. It just goes to show that if you keep pushing up in attack, you can alienate defenders and give yourself a chance to break the tackle. Dietz' size disadvantage was there to see on that one, but you can hardly blame him for not trying. I do think our attack looks much better already. Even Katoa looked to put on a few decent passes. Most players were pushing up in attack and defence. It was just the lack of possession and the dropped ball that beat us. If we hold into the ball and get a fair go by the ref we could knock over Penrith. It wasnt so much dropped ball.... it was losing the ball in a tackle. Not sure if Knights were intent on tackling us in the ribcage area but in slippery conditions it's a very smart play - and it worked. Just before kickoff I was worried for DWZ who notoriously loses the ball in tackles but he became the least of the problem, while guys like Allan who are typically solid with ball just couldnt stop spilling it. You can easily pinpoint afew reasons for why we lost so easily, so hopefully the team is better prepared in the wet next time.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI reckon every prop in the club who’s played NRL excepting Hetherington and Thompson have had their chance. Ogden, Renouf are never gonna make it, Napa’s past it. And I don’t necessarily think “size” is the answer. Napa has size, so does Klemmer, but they’re two styles of prop I think the modern game is gonna pass by, too much just hit ups and nothing else, no steps, no skills and then tiring out. The prototypes for the future can bend the line yet still have mobility and have skill - Paulo and Papa are two good examples, and yeah I know their big, but there’s bigger. Thommo’s got a great chance of joining them. Napa is well past his best. We are missing a good starting prop. Odgen and Renouf are ok off the bench and occasionally starting, both have improvement in them, NRL bench props of their quality are not common. Best to keep what we have. Tommo should be starting lock, unfortunately that means Jacko coming off the bench. But like Odgen and Renouf, Jacko is a more than handy squad player. We need a bit more size impact and skill, mobility is important for the starting prop, but no necessarily long minutes. If that prop helps set the tone the rest of side can keep it going. Essentially replace Napa with a proper senior prop we are mostly there. We also need a couple of young guys with a bit of size to contend for bench positions. You guys are still missing the point. We have too few players that have the urgency to hit the line and go for a quick run. Thompson, RFM, Elliott, Dietz and DWZ. The rest just dont have it and never will. If they play in a team full of players that hit the offence line running, they might lift themselves to do the same. But to take the initiative themselves - no chance. Inability to win the territorial battle has been hindering this team for the last 20 years. Dietz needs to work on his defence. About 3 bad missed tackles in a row, a big part of 2 second half knights tries. Came off HIA, so might have been affected. His attack is good, defence is a potential problem. The team actually attacked way better than games in recent seasons, but defence up the middle was soft. Posession, Dietz, a lack of Tommo and Tolman all problems. In fact Tommo will do a lot to improve this side in attack and defence. We need to do a bit of work on defence and cutting out silly dropped balls. Our side has points in it for the first time in ages, stop the last Knights try in the first half and get a bit more possession in the first 20 of the 2nd half, we might have been right in it. But no team can afford soft defence up the middle, that is why no NRL coach picks 17 Ben Barbas. HD I'm sure every coach thinks "if we just did abit more of this or abit less of that, it would have been a different result. Well duh.... Rugby league is about preparing yourself to beat the opposition and if the game is in the balance, taking your chances when they present themselves or forcing the chances to come. At the moment, we cant force anything. Barrett knows this. Pay knew this. The challenge is to change the way the team plays to be able to adjust to whatever the situation is. It was disappointing to have lost yesterdays game well before the 60min mark. No doubt the 6 again rule played a part, but we need to be better at nullifying it Actually Pay and Baz are reasonably good a pinpointing what went wrong. Baz has more options and quality in key spine positions. We need more of the defensive grit we had last year. Most disappointing for me was Hoppa's miss on Best, I think a centre should make that one-on-one stop, I don't expect Hoppa to make that kind of miss often. For one other try Dietz was left posted with a low one on one on a prop. Many players miss that kind of tackle, but JMK, Wakeham and Lewis have at least a 50% success ratio. Defense is easier to fix, a lot of it was bad reads, leaving a team mate posted in a one on one, and a lack of numbers and shoulders in tackles. However we did also make some good try savers... I'll be happy if we score onky 3-4 tries each week, provided we only concede 1 or 2. One key difference is Lewis and Flanagan, Lewis will prevent opposition points, Flanagan might concede a few, but hopefully sets up more tries than he concedes. Ditto for Averillo We had limited ball at the Newcastle end, in spite of that 3 tries and another couple of good opportunities. Couldn’t agree more with everything you say except that defence isn’t that easy a fix. It’s hard work snd the boys need to dig a bit deeper.
But that game was a lot closer than the score line showed. Fair point, When I said easy to fix, I really ment that it is easy to identify what needs to be fixed. Fixing it means players need to learn and adapt. The try Barnett scored before half time (which really hurt us) was a bad read by Flano. Hetherington had the ball player covered and you can see his reaction when Flano also went for him only to allow Barnett a free run at the tryline. He was pissed off. Those kind of adjustments arent difficult to make. I'm sure Barrett will spot it on the video session and talk to Flano. All he needs to do is have confidence in his inside defender and only assist in the tackle once his inside defender has a hold of the player. Dietz 1 on 1 with Saifiti running at him 5m from the line was always going to be difficult. Not many would stop that. He did in fact slow him.down by an ankle tackle but needed someone with him to stop him before the tryline. Slippery conditions didnt help. Newcastle scored afew tries from miss or poor tackles. We on the other hand scored tries from creating numbers out wide and cut out passes. I'll wait to see us play in dry conditions to assess how we go defensively. One thing for sure is that our tackling isnt aggressive. It's very passive and allows opposition to make easy metres even after contact with our defenders. Hopefully we can change this through the year. As always Marki sounds like he is quoting from the worst self-help guru around but could you imagine how the criticism would have been had someone else rather than his new best friend Brad Deitz been beaten all ends up as he was when Saffiti scored his second. Not sure what you're smoking Steve, but Dman wants some... I just rewatched the replay of that Saifiti 2nd try and there really wasn't much chance of stopping that try. Dietz shot out of the line to meet Saifiti 5m out but he was too big. It was a well rehearsed move as Saifiti was the second man running, with a decoy inside him, who if he also got the ball (3m out) would have scored also. If that was the Dogs, we would send a single forward on a settler into the waiting defence who would bend him back and we'd see the slowest play the ball. We have done that move in the past with Lichaa or JMK finding a 2nd runner in a 1 on 1 and we have also scored, but it's rare. It just goes to show that if you keep pushing up in attack, you can alienate defenders and give yourself a chance to break the tackle. Dietz' size disadvantage was there to see on that one, but you can hardly blame him for not trying. I do think our attack looks much better already. Even Katoa looked to put on a few decent passes. Most players were pushing up in attack and defence. It was just the lack of possession and the dropped ball that beat us. If we hold into the ball and get a fair go by the ref we could knock over Penrith.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI reckon every prop in the club who’s played NRL excepting Hetherington and Thompson have had their chance. Ogden, Renouf are never gonna make it, Napa’s past it. And I don’t necessarily think “size” is the answer. Napa has size, so does Klemmer, but they’re two styles of prop I think the modern game is gonna pass by, too much just hit ups and nothing else, no steps, no skills and then tiring out. The prototypes for the future can bend the line yet still have mobility and have skill - Paulo and Papa are two good examples, and yeah I know their big, but there’s bigger. Thommo’s got a great chance of joining them. Napa is well past his best. We are missing a good starting prop. Odgen and Renouf are ok off the bench and occasionally starting, both have improvement in them, NRL bench props of their quality are not common. Best to keep what we have. Tommo should be starting lock, unfortunately that means Jacko coming off the bench. But like Odgen and Renouf, Jacko is a more than handy squad player. We need a bit more size impact and skill, mobility is important for the starting prop, but no necessarily long minutes. If that prop helps set the tone the rest of side can keep it going. Essentially replace Napa with a proper senior prop we are mostly there. We also need a couple of young guys with a bit of size to contend for bench positions. You guys are still missing the point. We have too few players that have the urgency to hit the line and go for a quick run. Thompson, RFM, Elliott, Dietz and DWZ. The rest just dont have it and never will. If they play in a team full of players that hit the offence line running, they might lift themselves to do the same. But to take the initiative themselves - no chance. Inability to win the territorial battle has been hindering this team for the last 20 years. Dietz needs to work on his defence. About 3 bad missed tackles in a row, a big part of 2 second half knights tries. Came off HIA, so might have been affected. His attack is good, defence is a potential problem. The team actually attacked way better than games in recent seasons, but defence up the middle was soft. Posession, Dietz, a lack of Tommo and Tolman all problems. In fact Tommo will do a lot to improve this side in attack and defence. We need to do a bit of work on defence and cutting out silly dropped balls. Our side has points in it for the first time in ages, stop the last Knights try in the first half and get a bit more possession in the first 20 of the 2nd half, we might have been right in it. But no team can afford soft defence up the middle, that is why no NRL coach picks 17 Ben Barbas. HD I'm sure every coach thinks "if we just did abit more of this or abit less of that, it would have been a different result. Well duh.... Rugby league is about preparing yourself to beat the opposition and if the game is in the balance, taking your chances when they present themselves or forcing the chances to come. At the moment, we cant force anything. Barrett knows this. Pay knew this. The challenge is to change the way the team plays to be able to adjust to whatever the situation is. It was disappointing to have lost yesterdays game well before the 60min mark. No doubt the 6 again rule played a part, but we need to be better at nullifying it Actually Pay and Baz are reasonably good a pinpointing what went wrong. Baz has more options and quality in key spine positions. We need more of the defensive grit we had last year. Most disappointing for me was Hoppa's miss on Best, I think a centre should make that one-on-one stop, I don't expect Hoppa to make that kind of miss often. For one other try Dietz was left posted with a low one on one on a prop. Many players miss that kind of tackle, but JMK, Wakeham and Lewis have at least a 50% success ratio. Defense is easier to fix, a lot of it was bad reads, leaving a team mate posted in a one on one, and a lack of numbers and shoulders in tackles. However we did also make some good try savers... I'll be happy if we score onky 3-4 tries each week, provided we only concede 1 or 2. One key difference is Lewis and Flanagan, Lewis will prevent opposition points, Flanagan might concede a few, but hopefully sets up more tries than he concedes. Ditto for Averillo We had limited ball at the Newcastle end, in spite of that 3 tries and another couple of good opportunities. Couldn’t agree more with everything you say except that defence isn’t that easy a fix. It’s hard work snd the boys need to dig a bit deeper.
But that game was a lot closer than the score line showed. Fair point, When I said easy to fix, I really ment that it is easy to identify what needs to be fixed. Fixing it means players need to learn and adapt. The try Barnett scored before half time (which really hurt us) was a bad read by Flano. Hetherington had the ball player covered and you can see his reaction when Flano also went for him only to allow Barnett a free run at the tryline. He was pissed off. Those kind of adjustments arent difficult to make. I'm sure Barrett will spot it on the video session and talk to Flano. All he needs to do is have confidence in his inside defender and only assist in the tackle once his inside defender has a hold of the player. Dietz 1 on 1 with Saifiti running at him 5m from the line was always going to be difficult. Not many would stop that. He did in fact slow him.down by an ankle tackle but needed someone with him to stop him before the tryline. Slippery conditions didnt help. Newcastle scored afew tries from miss or poor tackles. We on the other hand scored tries from creating numbers out wide and cut out passes. I'll wait to see us play in dry conditions to assess how we go defensively. One thing for sure is that our tackling isnt aggressive. It's very passive and allows opposition to make easy metres even after contact with our defenders. Hopefully we can change this through the year. Our defence was aggressive from what I saw. They were moving up quick at first. Putting on shots with plenty of momentum. Problem was when Newcastle got on the front foot and milked plenty of six agains.
Reading numbers is always going to be a struggle when your trying to get back the ten. One on one misses cost us and will only be fixed by replacing the poor defenderswith better players. Fixing dropped balls is as much a problem. Dry conditions should help.
I’m also looking forward to watching us in dry conditions and getting a fair go from the ref. We looked great in attack with very few opportunities. When Burton arrives we will be very dangerous. JAC can’t come soon enough. And we desperately need Thompson in the field.
We are still short two props and a hooker. But there is a lot of improvement in the current team and enough upside to enjoy the season.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI reckon every prop in the club who’s played NRL excepting Hetherington and Thompson have had their chance. Ogden, Renouf are never gonna make it, Napa’s past it. And I don’t necessarily think “size” is the answer. Napa has size, so does Klemmer, but they’re two styles of prop I think the modern game is gonna pass by, too much just hit ups and nothing else, no steps, no skills and then tiring out. The prototypes for the future can bend the line yet still have mobility and have skill - Paulo and Papa are two good examples, and yeah I know their big, but there’s bigger. Thommo’s got a great chance of joining them. Napa is well past his best. We are missing a good starting prop. Odgen and Renouf are ok off the bench and occasionally starting, both have improvement in them, NRL bench props of their quality are not common. Best to keep what we have. Tommo should be starting lock, unfortunately that means Jacko coming off the bench. But like Odgen and Renouf, Jacko is a more than handy squad player. We need a bit more size impact and skill, mobility is important for the starting prop, but no necessarily long minutes. If that prop helps set the tone the rest of side can keep it going. Essentially replace Napa with a proper senior prop we are mostly there. We also need a couple of young guys with a bit of size to contend for bench positions. You guys are still missing the point. We have too few players that have the urgency to hit the line and go for a quick run. Thompson, RFM, Elliott, Dietz and DWZ. The rest just dont have it and never will. If they play in a team full of players that hit the offence line running, they might lift themselves to do the same. But to take the initiative themselves - no chance. Inability to win the territorial battle has been hindering this team for the last 20 years. Dietz needs to work on his defence. About 3 bad missed tackles in a row, a big part of 2 second half knights tries. Came off HIA, so might have been affected. His attack is good, defence is a potential problem. The team actually attacked way better than games in recent seasons, but defence up the middle was soft. Posession, Dietz, a lack of Tommo and Tolman all problems. In fact Tommo will do a lot to improve this side in attack and defence. We need to do a bit of work on defence and cutting out silly dropped balls. Our side has points in it for the first time in ages, stop the last Knights try in the first half and get a bit more possession in the first 20 of the 2nd half, we might have been right in it. But no team can afford soft defence up the middle, that is why no NRL coach picks 17 Ben Barbas. HD I'm sure every coach thinks "if we just did abit more of this or abit less of that, it would have been a different result. Well duh.... Rugby league is about preparing yourself to beat the opposition and if the game is in the balance, taking your chances when they present themselves or forcing the chances to come. At the moment, we cant force anything. Barrett knows this. Pay knew this. The challenge is to change the way the team plays to be able to adjust to whatever the situation is. It was disappointing to have lost yesterdays game well before the 60min mark. No doubt the 6 again rule played a part, but we need to be better at nullifying it Actually Pay and Baz are reasonably good a pinpointing what went wrong. Baz has more options and quality in key spine positions. We need more of the defensive grit we had last year. Most disappointing for me was Hoppa's miss on Best, I think a centre should make that one-on-one stop, I don't expect Hoppa to make that kind of miss often. For one other try Dietz was left posted with a low one on one on a prop. Many players miss that kind of tackle, but JMK, Wakeham and Lewis have at least a 50% success ratio. Defense is easier to fix, a lot of it was bad reads, leaving a team mate posted in a one on one, and a lack of numbers and shoulders in tackles. However we did also make some good try savers... I'll be happy if we score onky 3-4 tries each week, provided we only concede 1 or 2. One key difference is Lewis and Flanagan, Lewis will prevent opposition points, Flanagan might concede a few, but hopefully sets up more tries than he concedes. Ditto for Averillo We had limited ball at the Newcastle end, in spite of that 3 tries and another couple of good opportunities. Couldn’t agree more with everything you say except that defence isn’t that easy a fix. It’s hard work snd the boys need to dig a bit deeper.
But that game was a lot closer than the score line showed. Fair point, When I said easy to fix, I really ment that it is easy to identify what needs to be fixed. Fixing it means players need to learn and adapt. The try Barnett scored before half time (which really hurt us) was a bad read by Flano. Hetherington had the ball player covered and you can see his reaction when Flano also went for him only to allow Barnett a free run at the tryline. He was pissed off. Those kind of adjustments arent difficult to make. I'm sure Barrett will spot it on the video session and talk to Flano. All he needs to do is have confidence in his inside defender and only assist in the tackle once his inside defender has a hold of the player. Dietz 1 on 1 with Saifiti running at him 5m from the line was always going to be difficult. Not many would stop that. He did in fact slow him.down by an ankle tackle but needed someone with him to stop him before the tryline. Slippery conditions didnt help. Newcastle scored afew tries from miss or poor tackles. We on the other hand scored tries from creating numbers out wide and cut out passes. I'll wait to see us play in dry conditions to assess how we go defensively. One thing for sure is that our tackling isnt aggressive. It's very passive and allows opposition to make easy metres even after contact with our defenders. Hopefully we can change this through the year. As always Marki sounds like he is quoting from the worst self-help guru around but could you imagine how the criticism would have been had someone else rather than his new best friend Brad Deitz been beaten all ends up as he was when Saffiti scored his second. Tolman would’ve been there in cover to stop that try... Maybe, maybe not. To stop that try you needed to be prepared before the ball was played. And that meant numbering up tight in the middle with more space on the edges. Hoppas miss on Best was worse as he was marked up squarer on Best, made contact at least 10m out and even with 3 other cover defenders, Best still scored. Its round 1 with relatively match unfit players and the game played in wet conditions. I put it down to the players not adjusting to the conditions well enough. In the wet, we should have been tighter in and around the middle and forced Knights to throw the risky passes around the edges. Lesson to be learnt.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI reckon every prop in the club who’s played NRL excepting Hetherington and Thompson have had their chance. Ogden, Renouf are never gonna make it, Napa’s past it. And I don’t necessarily think “size” is the answer. Napa has size, so does Klemmer, but they’re two styles of prop I think the modern game is gonna pass by, too much just hit ups and nothing else, no steps, no skills and then tiring out. The prototypes for the future can bend the line yet still have mobility and have skill - Paulo and Papa are two good examples, and yeah I know their big, but there’s bigger. Thommo’s got a great chance of joining them. Napa is well past his best. We are missing a good starting prop. Odgen and Renouf are ok off the bench and occasionally starting, both have improvement in them, NRL bench props of their quality are not common. Best to keep what we have. Tommo should be starting lock, unfortunately that means Jacko coming off the bench. But like Odgen and Renouf, Jacko is a more than handy squad player. We need a bit more size impact and skill, mobility is important for the starting prop, but no necessarily long minutes. If that prop helps set the tone the rest of side can keep it going. Essentially replace Napa with a proper senior prop we are mostly there. We also need a couple of young guys with a bit of size to contend for bench positions. You guys are still missing the point. We have too few players that have the urgency to hit the line and go for a quick run. Thompson, RFM, Elliott, Dietz and DWZ. The rest just dont have it and never will. If they play in a team full of players that hit the offence line running, they might lift themselves to do the same. But to take the initiative themselves - no chance. Inability to win the territorial battle has been hindering this team for the last 20 years. Dietz needs to work on his defence. About 3 bad missed tackles in a row, a big part of 2 second half knights tries. Came off HIA, so might have been affected. His attack is good, defence is a potential problem. The team actually attacked way better than games in recent seasons, but defence up the middle was soft. Posession, Dietz, a lack of Tommo and Tolman all problems. In fact Tommo will do a lot to improve this side in attack and defence. We need to do a bit of work on defence and cutting out silly dropped balls. Our side has points in it for the first time in ages, stop the last Knights try in the first half and get a bit more possession in the first 20 of the 2nd half, we might have been right in it. But no team can afford soft defence up the middle, that is why no NRL coach picks 17 Ben Barbas. HD I'm sure every coach thinks "if we just did abit more of this or abit less of that, it would have been a different result. Well duh.... Rugby league is about preparing yourself to beat the opposition and if the game is in the balance, taking your chances when they present themselves or forcing the chances to come. At the moment, we cant force anything. Barrett knows this. Pay knew this. The challenge is to change the way the team plays to be able to adjust to whatever the situation is. It was disappointing to have lost yesterdays game well before the 60min mark. No doubt the 6 again rule played a part, but we need to be better at nullifying it Actually Pay and Baz are reasonably good a pinpointing what went wrong. Baz has more options and quality in key spine positions. We need more of the defensive grit we had last year. Most disappointing for me was Hoppa's miss on Best, I think a centre should make that one-on-one stop, I don't expect Hoppa to make that kind of miss often. For one other try Dietz was left posted with a low one on one on a prop. Many players miss that kind of tackle, but JMK, Wakeham and Lewis have at least a 50% success ratio. Defense is easier to fix, a lot of it was bad reads, leaving a team mate posted in a one on one, and a lack of numbers and shoulders in tackles. However we did also make some good try savers... I'll be happy if we score onky 3-4 tries each week, provided we only concede 1 or 2. One key difference is Lewis and Flanagan, Lewis will prevent opposition points, Flanagan might concede a few, but hopefully sets up more tries than he concedes. Ditto for Averillo We had limited ball at the Newcastle end, in spite of that 3 tries and another couple of good opportunities. Couldn’t agree more with everything you say except that defence isn’t that easy a fix. It’s hard work snd the boys need to dig a bit deeper.
But that game was a lot closer than the score line showed. Fair point, When I said easy to fix, I really ment that it is easy to identify what needs to be fixed. Fixing it means players need to learn and adapt. The try Barnett scored before half time (which really hurt us) was a bad read by Flano. Hetherington had the ball player covered and you can see his reaction when Flano also went for him only to allow Barnett a free run at the tryline. He was pissed off. Those kind of adjustments arent difficult to make. I'm sure Barrett will spot it on the video session and talk to Flano. All he needs to do is have confidence in his inside defender and only assist in the tackle once his inside defender has a hold of the player. Dietz 1 on 1 with Saifiti running at him 5m from the line was always going to be difficult. Not many would stop that. He did in fact slow him.down by an ankle tackle but needed someone with him to stop him before the tryline. Slippery conditions didnt help. Newcastle scored afew tries from miss or poor tackles. We on the other hand scored tries from creating numbers out wide and cut out passes. I'll wait to see us play in dry conditions to assess how we go defensively. One thing for sure is that our tackling isnt aggressive. It's very passive and allows opposition to make easy metres even after contact with our defenders. Hopefully we can change this through the year. As always Marki sounds like he is quoting from the worst self-help guru around but could you imagine how the criticism would have been had someone else rather than his new best friend Brad Deitz been beaten all ends up as he was when Saffiti scored his second. Tolman would’ve been there in cover to stop that try...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI reckon every prop in the club who’s played NRL excepting Hetherington and Thompson have had their chance. Ogden, Renouf are never gonna make it, Napa’s past it. And I don’t necessarily think “size” is the answer. Napa has size, so does Klemmer, but they’re two styles of prop I think the modern game is gonna pass by, too much just hit ups and nothing else, no steps, no skills and then tiring out. The prototypes for the future can bend the line yet still have mobility and have skill - Paulo and Papa are two good examples, and yeah I know their big, but there’s bigger. Thommo’s got a great chance of joining them. Napa is well past his best. We are missing a good starting prop. Odgen and Renouf are ok off the bench and occasionally starting, both have improvement in them, NRL bench props of their quality are not common. Best to keep what we have. Tommo should be starting lock, unfortunately that means Jacko coming off the bench. But like Odgen and Renouf, Jacko is a more than handy squad player. We need a bit more size impact and skill, mobility is important for the starting prop, but no necessarily long minutes. If that prop helps set the tone the rest of side can keep it going. Essentially replace Napa with a proper senior prop we are mostly there. We also need a couple of young guys with a bit of size to contend for bench positions. You guys are still missing the point. We have too few players that have the urgency to hit the line and go for a quick run. Thompson, RFM, Elliott, Dietz and DWZ. The rest just dont have it and never will. If they play in a team full of players that hit the offence line running, they might lift themselves to do the same. But to take the initiative themselves - no chance. Inability to win the territorial battle has been hindering this team for the last 20 years. Dietz needs to work on his defence. About 3 bad missed tackles in a row, a big part of 2 second half knights tries. Came off HIA, so might have been affected. His attack is good, defence is a potential problem. The team actually attacked way better than games in recent seasons, but defence up the middle was soft. Posession, Dietz, a lack of Tommo and Tolman all problems. In fact Tommo will do a lot to improve this side in attack and defence. We need to do a bit of work on defence and cutting out silly dropped balls. Our side has points in it for the first time in ages, stop the last Knights try in the first half and get a bit more possession in the first 20 of the 2nd half, we might have been right in it. But no team can afford soft defence up the middle, that is why no NRL coach picks 17 Ben Barbas. HD I'm sure every coach thinks "if we just did abit more of this or abit less of that, it would have been a different result. Well duh.... Rugby league is about preparing yourself to beat the opposition and if the game is in the balance, taking your chances when they present themselves or forcing the chances to come. At the moment, we cant force anything. Barrett knows this. Pay knew this. The challenge is to change the way the team plays to be able to adjust to whatever the situation is. It was disappointing to have lost yesterdays game well before the 60min mark. No doubt the 6 again rule played a part, but we need to be better at nullifying it Actually Pay and Baz are reasonably good a pinpointing what went wrong. Baz has more options and quality in key spine positions. We need more of the defensive grit we had last year. Most disappointing for me was Hoppa's miss on Best, I think a centre should make that one-on-one stop, I don't expect Hoppa to make that kind of miss often. For one other try Dietz was left posted with a low one on one on a prop. Many players miss that kind of tackle, but JMK, Wakeham and Lewis have at least a 50% success ratio. Defense is easier to fix, a lot of it was bad reads, leaving a team mate posted in a one on one, and a lack of numbers and shoulders in tackles. However we did also make some good try savers... I'll be happy if we score onky 3-4 tries each week, provided we only concede 1 or 2. One key difference is Lewis and Flanagan, Lewis will prevent opposition points, Flanagan might concede a few, but hopefully sets up more tries than he concedes. Ditto for Averillo We had limited ball at the Newcastle end, in spite of that 3 tries and another couple of good opportunities. Couldn’t agree more with everything you say except that defence isn’t that easy a fix. It’s hard work snd the boys need to dig a bit deeper.
But that game was a lot closer than the score line showed. Fair point, When I said easy to fix, I really ment that it is easy to identify what needs to be fixed. Fixing it means players need to learn and adapt. The try Barnett scored before half time (which really hurt us) was a bad read by Flano. Hetherington had the ball player covered and you can see his reaction when Flano also went for him only to allow Barnett a free run at the tryline. He was pissed off. Those kind of adjustments arent difficult to make. I'm sure Barrett will spot it on the video session and talk to Flano. All he needs to do is have confidence in his inside defender and only assist in the tackle once his inside defender has a hold of the player. Dietz 1 on 1 with Saifiti running at him 5m from the line was always going to be difficult. Not many would stop that. He did in fact slow him.down by an ankle tackle but needed someone with him to stop him before the tryline. Slippery conditions didnt help. Newcastle scored afew tries from miss or poor tackles. We on the other hand scored tries from creating numbers out wide and cut out passes. I'll wait to see us play in dry conditions to assess how we go defensively. One thing for sure is that our tackling isnt aggressive. It's very passive and allows opposition to make easy metres even after contact with our defenders. Hopefully we can change this through the year. As always Marki sounds like he is quoting from the worst self-help guru around but could you imagine how the criticism would have been had someone else rather than his new best friend Brad Deitz been beaten all ends up as he was when Saffiti scored his second. Not sure what you're smoking Steve, but Dman wants some... Where do u think he got it???...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI reckon every prop in the club who’s played NRL excepting Hetherington and Thompson have had their chance. Ogden, Renouf are never gonna make it, Napa’s past it. And I don’t necessarily think “size” is the answer. Napa has size, so does Klemmer, but they’re two styles of prop I think the modern game is gonna pass by, too much just hit ups and nothing else, no steps, no skills and then tiring out. The prototypes for the future can bend the line yet still have mobility and have skill - Paulo and Papa are two good examples, and yeah I know their big, but there’s bigger. Thommo’s got a great chance of joining them. Napa is well past his best. We are missing a good starting prop. Odgen and Renouf are ok off the bench and occasionally starting, both have improvement in them, NRL bench props of their quality are not common. Best to keep what we have. Tommo should be starting lock, unfortunately that means Jacko coming off the bench. But like Odgen and Renouf, Jacko is a more than handy squad player. We need a bit more size impact and skill, mobility is important for the starting prop, but no necessarily long minutes. If that prop helps set the tone the rest of side can keep it going. Essentially replace Napa with a proper senior prop we are mostly there. We also need a couple of young guys with a bit of size to contend for bench positions. You guys are still missing the point. We have too few players that have the urgency to hit the line and go for a quick run. Thompson, RFM, Elliott, Dietz and DWZ. The rest just dont have it and never will. If they play in a team full of players that hit the offence line running, they might lift themselves to do the same. But to take the initiative themselves - no chance. Inability to win the territorial battle has been hindering this team for the last 20 years. Dietz needs to work on his defence. About 3 bad missed tackles in a row, a big part of 2 second half knights tries. Came off HIA, so might have been affected. His attack is good, defence is a potential problem. The team actually attacked way better than games in recent seasons, but defence up the middle was soft. Posession, Dietz, a lack of Tommo and Tolman all problems. In fact Tommo will do a lot to improve this side in attack and defence. We need to do a bit of work on defence and cutting out silly dropped balls. Our side has points in it for the first time in ages, stop the last Knights try in the first half and get a bit more possession in the first 20 of the 2nd half, we might have been right in it. But no team can afford soft defence up the middle, that is why no NRL coach picks 17 Ben Barbas. HD I'm sure every coach thinks "if we just did abit more of this or abit less of that, it would have been a different result. Well duh.... Rugby league is about preparing yourself to beat the opposition and if the game is in the balance, taking your chances when they present themselves or forcing the chances to come. At the moment, we cant force anything. Barrett knows this. Pay knew this. The challenge is to change the way the team plays to be able to adjust to whatever the situation is. It was disappointing to have lost yesterdays game well before the 60min mark. No doubt the 6 again rule played a part, but we need to be better at nullifying it Actually Pay and Baz are reasonably good a pinpointing what went wrong. Baz has more options and quality in key spine positions. We need more of the defensive grit we had last year. Most disappointing for me was Hoppa's miss on Best, I think a centre should make that one-on-one stop, I don't expect Hoppa to make that kind of miss often. For one other try Dietz was left posted with a low one on one on a prop. Many players miss that kind of tackle, but JMK, Wakeham and Lewis have at least a 50% success ratio. Defense is easier to fix, a lot of it was bad reads, leaving a team mate posted in a one on one, and a lack of numbers and shoulders in tackles. However we did also make some good try savers... I'll be happy if we score onky 3-4 tries each week, provided we only concede 1 or 2. One key difference is Lewis and Flanagan, Lewis will prevent opposition points, Flanagan might concede a few, but hopefully sets up more tries than he concedes. Ditto for Averillo We had limited ball at the Newcastle end, in spite of that 3 tries and another couple of good opportunities. Couldn’t agree more with everything you say except that defence isn’t that easy a fix. It’s hard work snd the boys need to dig a bit deeper.
But that game was a lot closer than the score line showed. Fair point, When I said easy to fix, I really ment that it is easy to identify what needs to be fixed. Fixing it means players need to learn and adapt. The try Barnett scored before half time (which really hurt us) was a bad read by Flano. Hetherington had the ball player covered and you can see his reaction when Flano also went for him only to allow Barnett a free run at the tryline. He was pissed off. Those kind of adjustments arent difficult to make. I'm sure Barrett will spot it on the video session and talk to Flano. All he needs to do is have confidence in his inside defender and only assist in the tackle once his inside defender has a hold of the player. Dietz 1 on 1 with Saifiti running at him 5m from the line was always going to be difficult. Not many would stop that. He did in fact slow him.down by an ankle tackle but needed someone with him to stop him before the tryline. Slippery conditions didnt help. Newcastle scored afew tries from miss or poor tackles. We on the other hand scored tries from creating numbers out wide and cut out passes. I'll wait to see us play in dry conditions to assess how we go defensively. One thing for sure is that our tackling isnt aggressive. It's very passive and allows opposition to make easy metres even after contact with our defenders. Hopefully we can change this through the year. As always Marki sounds like he is quoting from the worst self-help guru around but could you imagine how the criticism would have been had someone else rather than his new best friend Brad Deitz been beaten all ends up as he was when Saffiti scored his second. Not sure what you're smoking Steve, but Dman wants some... I just rewatched the replay of that Saifiti 2nd try and there really wasn't much chance of stopping that try. Dietz shot out of the line to meet Saifiti 5m out but he was too big. It was a well rehearsed move as Saifiti was the second man running, with a decoy inside him, who if he also got the ball (3m out) would have scored also. If that was the Dogs, we would send a single forward on a settler into the waiting defence who would bend him back and we'd see the slowest play the ball. We have done that move in the past with Lichaa or JMK finding a 2nd runner in a 1 on 1 and we have also scored, but it's rare. It just goes to show that if you keep pushing up in attack, you can alienate defenders and give yourself a chance to break the tackle. Dietz' size disadvantage was there to see on that one, but you can hardly blame him for not trying.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI reckon every prop in the club who’s played NRL excepting Hetherington and Thompson have had their chance. Ogden, Renouf are never gonna make it, Napa’s past it. And I don’t necessarily think “size” is the answer. Napa has size, so does Klemmer, but they’re two styles of prop I think the modern game is gonna pass by, too much just hit ups and nothing else, no steps, no skills and then tiring out. The prototypes for the future can bend the line yet still have mobility and have skill - Paulo and Papa are two good examples, and yeah I know their big, but there’s bigger. Thommo’s got a great chance of joining them. Napa is well past his best. We are missing a good starting prop. Odgen and Renouf are ok off the bench and occasionally starting, both have improvement in them, NRL bench props of their quality are not common. Best to keep what we have. Tommo should be starting lock, unfortunately that means Jacko coming off the bench. But like Odgen and Renouf, Jacko is a more than handy squad player. We need a bit more size impact and skill, mobility is important for the starting prop, but no necessarily long minutes. If that prop helps set the tone the rest of side can keep it going. Essentially replace Napa with a proper senior prop we are mostly there. We also need a couple of young guys with a bit of size to contend for bench positions. You guys are still missing the point. We have too few players that have the urgency to hit the line and go for a quick run. Thompson, RFM, Elliott, Dietz and DWZ. The rest just dont have it and never will. If they play in a team full of players that hit the offence line running, they might lift themselves to do the same. But to take the initiative themselves - no chance. Inability to win the territorial battle has been hindering this team for the last 20 years. Dietz needs to work on his defence. About 3 bad missed tackles in a row, a big part of 2 second half knights tries. Came off HIA, so might have been affected. His attack is good, defence is a potential problem. The team actually attacked way better than games in recent seasons, but defence up the middle was soft. Posession, Dietz, a lack of Tommo and Tolman all problems. In fact Tommo will do a lot to improve this side in attack and defence. We need to do a bit of work on defence and cutting out silly dropped balls. Our side has points in it for the first time in ages, stop the last Knights try in the first half and get a bit more possession in the first 20 of the 2nd half, we might have been right in it. But no team can afford soft defence up the middle, that is why no NRL coach picks 17 Ben Barbas. HD I'm sure every coach thinks "if we just did abit more of this or abit less of that, it would have been a different result. Well duh.... Rugby league is about preparing yourself to beat the opposition and if the game is in the balance, taking your chances when they present themselves or forcing the chances to come. At the moment, we cant force anything. Barrett knows this. Pay knew this. The challenge is to change the way the team plays to be able to adjust to whatever the situation is. It was disappointing to have lost yesterdays game well before the 60min mark. No doubt the 6 again rule played a part, but we need to be better at nullifying it Actually Pay and Baz are reasonably good a pinpointing what went wrong. Baz has more options and quality in key spine positions. We need more of the defensive grit we had last year. Most disappointing for me was Hoppa's miss on Best, I think a centre should make that one-on-one stop, I don't expect Hoppa to make that kind of miss often. For one other try Dietz was left posted with a low one on one on a prop. Many players miss that kind of tackle, but JMK, Wakeham and Lewis have at least a 50% success ratio. Defense is easier to fix, a lot of it was bad reads, leaving a team mate posted in a one on one, and a lack of numbers and shoulders in tackles. However we did also make some good try savers... I'll be happy if we score onky 3-4 tries each week, provided we only concede 1 or 2. One key difference is Lewis and Flanagan, Lewis will prevent opposition points, Flanagan might concede a few, but hopefully sets up more tries than he concedes. Ditto for Averillo We had limited ball at the Newcastle end, in spite of that 3 tries and another couple of good opportunities. Couldn’t agree more with everything you say except that defence isn’t that easy a fix. It’s hard work snd the boys need to dig a bit deeper.
But that game was a lot closer than the score line showed. Fair point, When I said easy to fix, I really ment that it is easy to identify what needs to be fixed. Fixing it means players need to learn and adapt. The try Barnett scored before half time (which really hurt us) was a bad read by Flano. Hetherington had the ball player covered and you can see his reaction when Flano also went for him only to allow Barnett a free run at the tryline. He was pissed off. Those kind of adjustments arent difficult to make. I'm sure Barrett will spot it on the video session and talk to Flano. All he needs to do is have confidence in his inside defender and only assist in the tackle once his inside defender has a hold of the player. Dietz 1 on 1 with Saifiti running at him 5m from the line was always going to be difficult. Not many would stop that. He did in fact slow him.down by an ankle tackle but needed someone with him to stop him before the tryline. Slippery conditions didnt help. Newcastle scored afew tries from miss or poor tackles. We on the other hand scored tries from creating numbers out wide and cut out passes. I'll wait to see us play in dry conditions to assess how we go defensively. One thing for sure is that our tackling isnt aggressive. It's very passive and allows opposition to make easy metres even after contact with our defenders. Hopefully we can change this through the year. As always Marki sounds like he is quoting from the worst self-help guru around but could you imagine how the criticism would have been had someone else rather than his new best friend Brad Deitz been beaten all ends up as he was when Saffiti scored his second.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI reckon every prop in the club who’s played NRL excepting Hetherington and Thompson have had their chance. Ogden, Renouf are never gonna make it, Napa’s past it. And I don’t necessarily think “size” is the answer. Napa has size, so does Klemmer, but they’re two styles of prop I think the modern game is gonna pass by, too much just hit ups and nothing else, no steps, no skills and then tiring out. The prototypes for the future can bend the line yet still have mobility and have skill - Paulo and Papa are two good examples, and yeah I know their big, but there’s bigger. Thommo’s got a great chance of joining them. Napa is well past his best. We are missing a good starting prop. Odgen and Renouf are ok off the bench and occasionally starting, both have improvement in them, NRL bench props of their quality are not common. Best to keep what we have. Tommo should be starting lock, unfortunately that means Jacko coming off the bench. But like Odgen and Renouf, Jacko is a more than handy squad player. We need a bit more size impact and skill, mobility is important for the starting prop, but no necessarily long minutes. If that prop helps set the tone the rest of side can keep it going. Essentially replace Napa with a proper senior prop we are mostly there. We also need a couple of young guys with a bit of size to contend for bench positions. You guys are still missing the point. We have too few players that have the urgency to hit the line and go for a quick run. Thompson, RFM, Elliott, Dietz and DWZ. The rest just dont have it and never will. If they play in a team full of players that hit the offence line running, they might lift themselves to do the same. But to take the initiative themselves - no chance. Inability to win the territorial battle has been hindering this team for the last 20 years. Dietz needs to work on his defence. About 3 bad missed tackles in a row, a big part of 2 second half knights tries. Came off HIA, so might have been affected. His attack is good, defence is a potential problem. The team actually attacked way better than games in recent seasons, but defence up the middle was soft. Posession, Dietz, a lack of Tommo and Tolman all problems. In fact Tommo will do a lot to improve this side in attack and defence. We need to do a bit of work on defence and cutting out silly dropped balls. Our side has points in it for the first time in ages, stop the last Knights try in the first half and get a bit more possession in the first 20 of the 2nd half, we might have been right in it. But no team can afford soft defence up the middle, that is why no NRL coach picks 17 Ben Barbas. HD I'm sure every coach thinks "if we just did abit more of this or abit less of that, it would have been a different result. Well duh.... Rugby league is about preparing yourself to beat the opposition and if the game is in the balance, taking your chances when they present themselves or forcing the chances to come. At the moment, we cant force anything. Barrett knows this. Pay knew this. The challenge is to change the way the team plays to be able to adjust to whatever the situation is. It was disappointing to have lost yesterdays game well before the 60min mark. No doubt the 6 again rule played a part, but we need to be better at nullifying it Actually Pay and Baz are reasonably good a pinpointing what went wrong. Baz has more options and quality in key spine positions. We need more of the defensive grit we had last year. Most disappointing for me was Hoppa's miss on Best, I think a centre should make that one-on-one stop, I don't expect Hoppa to make that kind of miss often. For one other try Dietz was left posted with a low one on one on a prop. Many players miss that kind of tackle, but JMK, Wakeham and Lewis have at least a 50% success ratio. Defense is easier to fix, a lot of it was bad reads, leaving a team mate posted in a one on one, and a lack of numbers and shoulders in tackles. However we did also make some good try savers... I'll be happy if we score onky 3-4 tries each week, provided we only concede 1 or 2. One key difference is Lewis and Flanagan, Lewis will prevent opposition points, Flanagan might concede a few, but hopefully sets up more tries than he concedes. Ditto for Averillo We had limited ball at the Newcastle end, in spite of that 3 tries and another couple of good opportunities. Couldn’t agree more with everything you say except that defence isn’t that easy a fix. It’s hard work snd the boys need to dig a bit deeper.
But that game was a lot closer than the score line showed. Fair point, When I said easy to fix, I really ment that it is easy to identify what needs to be fixed. Fixing it means players need to learn and adapt. The try Barnett scored before half time (which really hurt us) was a bad read by Flano. Hetherington had the ball player covered and you can see his reaction when Flano also went for him only to allow Barnett a free run at the tryline. He was pissed off. Those kind of adjustments arent difficult to make. I'm sure Barrett will spot it on the video session and talk to Flano. All he needs to do is have confidence in his inside defender and only assist in the tackle once his inside defender has a hold of the player. Dietz 1 on 1 with Saifiti running at him 5m from the line was always going to be difficult. Not many would stop that. He did in fact slow him.down by an ankle tackle but needed someone with him to stop him before the tryline. Slippery conditions didnt help. Newcastle scored afew tries from miss or poor tackles. We on the other hand scored tries from creating numbers out wide and cut out passes. I'll wait to see us play in dry conditions to assess how we go defensively. One thing for sure is that our tackling isnt aggressive. It's very passive and allows opposition to make easy metres even after contact with our defenders. Hopefully we can change this through the year.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI reckon every prop in the club who’s played NRL excepting Hetherington and Thompson have had their chance. Ogden, Renouf are never gonna make it, Napa’s past it. And I don’t necessarily think “size” is the answer. Napa has size, so does Klemmer, but they’re two styles of prop I think the modern game is gonna pass by, too much just hit ups and nothing else, no steps, no skills and then tiring out. The prototypes for the future can bend the line yet still have mobility and have skill - Paulo and Papa are two good examples, and yeah I know their big, but there’s bigger. Thommo’s got a great chance of joining them. Napa is well past his best. We are missing a good starting prop. Odgen and Renouf are ok off the bench and occasionally starting, both have improvement in them, NRL bench props of their quality are not common. Best to keep what we have. Tommo should be starting lock, unfortunately that means Jacko coming off the bench. But like Odgen and Renouf, Jacko is a more than handy squad player. We need a bit more size impact and skill, mobility is important for the starting prop, but no necessarily long minutes. If that prop helps set the tone the rest of side can keep it going. Essentially replace Napa with a proper senior prop we are mostly there. We also need a couple of young guys with a bit of size to contend for bench positions. You guys are still missing the point. We have too few players that have the urgency to hit the line and go for a quick run. Thompson, RFM, Elliott, Dietz and DWZ. The rest just dont have it and never will. If they play in a team full of players that hit the offence line running, they might lift themselves to do the same. But to take the initiative themselves - no chance. Inability to win the territorial battle has been hindering this team for the last 20 years. Dietz needs to work on his defence. About 3 bad missed tackles in a row, a big part of 2 second half knights tries. Came off HIA, so might have been affected. His attack is good, defence is a potential problem. The team actually attacked way better than games in recent seasons, but defence up the middle was soft. Posession, Dietz, a lack of Tommo and Tolman all problems. In fact Tommo will do a lot to improve this side in attack and defence. We need to do a bit of work on defence and cutting out silly dropped balls. Our side has points in it for the first time in ages, stop the last Knights try in the first half and get a bit more possession in the first 20 of the 2nd half, we might have been right in it. But no team can afford soft defence up the middle, that is why no NRL coach picks 17 Ben Barbas. HD I'm sure every coach thinks "if we just did abit more of this or abit less of that, it would have been a different result. Well duh.... Rugby league is about preparing yourself to beat the opposition and if the game is in the balance, taking your chances when they present themselves or forcing the chances to come. At the moment, we cant force anything. Barrett knows this. Pay knew this. The challenge is to change the way the team plays to be able to adjust to whatever the situation is. It was disappointing to have lost yesterdays game well before the 60min mark. No doubt the 6 again rule played a part, but we need to be better at nullifying it Actually Pay and Baz are reasonably good a pinpointing what went wrong. Baz has more options and quality in key spine positions. We need more of the defensive grit we had last year. Most disappointing for me was Hoppa's miss on Best, I think a centre should make that one-on-one stop, I don't expect Hoppa to make that kind of miss often. For one other try Dietz was left posted with a low one on one on a prop. Many players miss that kind of tackle, but JMK, Wakeham and Lewis have at least a 50% success ratio. Defense is easier to fix, a lot of it was bad reads, leaving a team mate posted in a one on one, and a lack of numbers and shoulders in tackles. However we did also make some good try savers... I'll be happy if we score onky 3-4 tries each week, provided we only concede 1 or 2. One key difference is Lewis and Flanagan, Lewis will prevent opposition points, Flanagan might concede a few, but hopefully sets up more tries than he concedes. Ditto for Averillo We had limited ball at the Newcastle end, in spite of that 3 tries and another couple of good opportunities. Couldn’t agree more with everything you say except that defence isn’t that easy a fix. It’s hard work snd the boys need to dig a bit deeper.
But that game was a lot closer than the score line showed. Fair point, When I said easy to fix, I really ment that it is easy to identify what needs to be fixed. Fixing it means players need to learn and adapt.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI reckon every prop in the club who’s played NRL excepting Hetherington and Thompson have had their chance. Ogden, Renouf are never gonna make it, Napa’s past it. And I don’t necessarily think “size” is the answer. Napa has size, so does Klemmer, but they’re two styles of prop I think the modern game is gonna pass by, too much just hit ups and nothing else, no steps, no skills and then tiring out. The prototypes for the future can bend the line yet still have mobility and have skill - Paulo and Papa are two good examples, and yeah I know their big, but there’s bigger. Thommo’s got a great chance of joining them. Napa is well past his best. We are missing a good starting prop. Odgen and Renouf are ok off the bench and occasionally starting, both have improvement in them, NRL bench props of their quality are not common. Best to keep what we have. Tommo should be starting lock, unfortunately that means Jacko coming off the bench. But like Odgen and Renouf, Jacko is a more than handy squad player. We need a bit more size impact and skill, mobility is important for the starting prop, but no necessarily long minutes. If that prop helps set the tone the rest of side can keep it going. Essentially replace Napa with a proper senior prop we are mostly there. We also need a couple of young guys with a bit of size to contend for bench positions. You guys are still missing the point. We have too few players that have the urgency to hit the line and go for a quick run. Thompson, RFM, Elliott, Dietz and DWZ. The rest just dont have it and never will. If they play in a team full of players that hit the offence line running, they might lift themselves to do the same. But to take the initiative themselves - no chance. Inability to win the territorial battle has been hindering this team for the last 20 years. Dietz needs to work on his defence. About 3 bad missed tackles in a row, a big part of 2 second half knights tries. Came off HIA, so might have been affected. His attack is good, defence is a potential problem. The team actually attacked way better than games in recent seasons, but defence up the middle was soft. Posession, Dietz, a lack of Tommo and Tolman all problems. In fact Tommo will do a lot to improve this side in attack and defence. We need to do a bit of work on defence and cutting out silly dropped balls. Our side has points in it for the first time in ages, stop the last Knights try in the first half and get a bit more possession in the first 20 of the 2nd half, we might have been right in it. But no team can afford soft defence up the middle, that is why no NRL coach picks 17 Ben Barbas. HD I'm sure every coach thinks "if we just did abit more of this or abit less of that, it would have been a different result. Well duh.... Rugby league is about preparing yourself to beat the opposition and if the game is in the balance, taking your chances when they present themselves or forcing the chances to come. At the moment, we cant force anything. Barrett knows this. Pay knew this. The challenge is to change the way the team plays to be able to adjust to whatever the situation is. It was disappointing to have lost yesterdays game well before the 60min mark. No doubt the 6 again rule played a part, but we need to be better at nullifying it Actually Pay and Baz are reasonably good a pinpointing what went wrong. Baz has more options and quality in key spine positions. We need more of the defensive grit we had last year. Most disappointing for me was Hoppa's miss on Best, I think a centre should make that one-on-one stop, I don't expect Hoppa to make that kind of miss often. For one other try Dietz was left posted with a low one on one on a prop. Many players miss that kind of tackle, but JMK, Wakeham and Lewis have at least a 50% success ratio. Defense is easier to fix, a lot of it was bad reads, leaving a team mate posted in a one on one, and a lack of numbers and shoulders in tackles. However we did also make some good try savers... I'll be happy if we score onky 3-4 tries each week, provided we only concede 1 or 2. One key difference is Lewis and Flanagan, Lewis will prevent opposition points, Flanagan might concede a few, but hopefully sets up more tries than he concedes. Ditto for Averillo We had limited ball at the Newcastle end, in spite of that 3 tries and another couple of good opportunities. Couldn’t agree more with everything you say except that defence isn’t that easy a fix. It’s hard work snd the boys need to dig a bit deeper.
But that game was a lot closer than the score line showed.
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The only thing worse than a team that used to be coached by Des is ....
A team currently coached by Des.
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+xMarki are you really a Bulldogs supporter? One game, one fvcking game and you're thrusting the knife into Barrett. Yes we were our own worse enemy yesterday. The referee helped starve us of possession but when we did have the ball we either were too gassed to do anything or we handed it back to them. All the preparation in the world will not save you if the person who is calling the shots is only scrutinising one side. The way I saw the game, as bad as we were it would have only been a matter of us stopping two very soft tries, and a bit of luck going our way with a no try and the result would have been so much different, even with all that possession they had. You have completely misread my posts. I'm fully in support of Barrett. It's the ingrained style of play I have a problem with and some of the individuals that just fall into bad habits. I have faith in Barrett transforming this team.
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Marki are you really a Bulldogs supporter? One game, one fvcking game and you're thrusting the knife into Barrett. Yes we were our own worse enemy yesterday. The referee helped starve us of possession but when we did have the ball we either were too gassed to do anything or we handed it back to them. All the preparation in the world will not save you if the person who is calling the shots is only scrutinising one side. The way I saw the game, as bad as we were it would have only been a matter of us stopping two very soft tries, and a bit of luck going our way with a no try and the result would have been so much different, even with all that possession they had.
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+x+x+x+x+xI reckon every prop in the club who’s played NRL excepting Hetherington and Thompson have had their chance. Ogden, Renouf are never gonna make it, Napa’s past it. And I don’t necessarily think “size” is the answer. Napa has size, so does Klemmer, but they’re two styles of prop I think the modern game is gonna pass by, too much just hit ups and nothing else, no steps, no skills and then tiring out. The prototypes for the future can bend the line yet still have mobility and have skill - Paulo and Papa are two good examples, and yeah I know their big, but there’s bigger. Thommo’s got a great chance of joining them. Napa is well past his best. We are missing a good starting prop. Odgen and Renouf are ok off the bench and occasionally starting, both have improvement in them, NRL bench props of their quality are not common. Best to keep what we have. Tommo should be starting lock, unfortunately that means Jacko coming off the bench. But like Odgen and Renouf, Jacko is a more than handy squad player. We need a bit more size impact and skill, mobility is important for the starting prop, but no necessarily long minutes. If that prop helps set the tone the rest of side can keep it going. Essentially replace Napa with a proper senior prop we are mostly there. We also need a couple of young guys with a bit of size to contend for bench positions. You guys are still missing the point. We have too few players that have the urgency to hit the line and go for a quick run. Thompson, RFM, Elliott, Dietz and DWZ. The rest just dont have it and never will. If they play in a team full of players that hit the offence line running, they might lift themselves to do the same. But to take the initiative themselves - no chance. Inability to win the territorial battle has been hindering this team for the last 20 years. Dietz needs to work on his defence. About 3 bad missed tackles in a row, a big part of 2 second half knights tries. Came off HIA, so might have been affected. His attack is good, defence is a potential problem. The team actually attacked way better than games in recent seasons, but defence up the middle was soft. Posession, Dietz, a lack of Tommo and Tolman all problems. In fact Tommo will do a lot to improve this side in attack and defence. We need to do a bit of work on defence and cutting out silly dropped balls. Our side has points in it for the first time in ages, stop the last Knights try in the first half and get a bit more possession in the first 20 of the 2nd half, we might have been right in it. But no team can afford soft defence up the middle, that is why no NRL coach picks 17 Ben Barbas. HD I'm sure every coach thinks "if we just did abit more of this or abit less of that, it would have been a different result. Well duh.... Rugby league is about preparing yourself to beat the opposition and if the game is in the balance, taking your chances when they present themselves or forcing the chances to come. At the moment, we cant force anything. Barrett knows this. Pay knew this. The challenge is to change the way the team plays to be able to adjust to whatever the situation is. It was disappointing to have lost yesterdays game well before the 60min mark. No doubt the 6 again rule played a part, but we need to be better at nullifying it Actually Pay and Baz are reasonably good a pinpointing what went wrong. Baz has more options and quality in key spine positions. We need more of the defensive grit we had last year. Most disappointing for me was Hoppa's miss on Best, I think a centre should make that one-on-one stop, I don't expect Hoppa to make that kind of miss often. For one other try Dietz was left posted with a low one on one on a prop. Many players miss that kind of tackle, but JMK, Wakeham and Lewis have at least a 50% success ratio. Defense is easier to fix, a lot of it was bad reads, leaving a team mate posted in a one on one, and a lack of numbers and shoulders in tackles. However we did also make some good try savers... I'll be happy if we score onky 3-4 tries each week, provided we only concede 1 or 2. One key difference is Lewis and Flanagan, Lewis will prevent opposition points, Flanagan might concede a few, but hopefully sets up more tries than he concedes. Ditto for Averillo We had limited ball at the Newcastle end, in spite of that 3 tries and another couple of good opportunities.
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+x+x+x+x+xI reckon every prop in the club who’s played NRL excepting Hetherington and Thompson have had their chance. Ogden, Renouf are never gonna make it, Napa’s past it. And I don’t necessarily think “size” is the answer. Napa has size, so does Klemmer, but they’re two styles of prop I think the modern game is gonna pass by, too much just hit ups and nothing else, no steps, no skills and then tiring out. The prototypes for the future can bend the line yet still have mobility and have skill - Paulo and Papa are two good examples, and yeah I know their big, but there’s bigger. Thommo’s got a great chance of joining them. Napa is well past his best. We are missing a good starting prop. Odgen and Renouf are ok off the bench and occasionally starting, both have improvement in them, NRL bench props of their quality are not common. Best to keep what we have. Tommo should be starting lock, unfortunately that means Jacko coming off the bench. But like Odgen and Renouf, Jacko is a more than handy squad player. We need a bit more size impact and skill, mobility is important for the starting prop, but no necessarily long minutes. If that prop helps set the tone the rest of side can keep it going. Essentially replace Napa with a proper senior prop we are mostly there. We also need a couple of young guys with a bit of size to contend for bench positions. You guys are still missing the point. We have too few players that have the urgency to hit the line and go for a quick run. Thompson, RFM, Elliott, Dietz and DWZ. The rest just dont have it and never will. If they play in a team full of players that hit the offence line running, they might lift themselves to do the same. But to take the initiative themselves - no chance. Inability to win the territorial battle has been hindering this team for the last 20 years. Dietz needs to work on his defence. About 3 bad missed tackles in a row, a big part of 2 second half knights tries. Came off HIA, so might have been affected. His attack is good, defence is a potential problem. The team actually attacked way better than games in recent seasons, but defence up the middle was soft. Posession, Dietz, a lack of Tommo and Tolman all problems. In fact Tommo will do a lot to improve this side in attack and defence. We need to do a bit of work on defence and cutting out silly dropped balls. Our side has points in it for the first time in ages, stop the last Knights try in the first half and get a bit more possession in the first 20 of the 2nd half, we might have been right in it. But no team can afford soft defence up the middle, that is why no NRL coach picks 17 Ben Barbas. Well duh... Most intelligent utterance of yours since the season started... ;)
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So Des is responsible for at least 2 losses this weekend 😎
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+x+x+x+xI reckon every prop in the club who’s played NRL excepting Hetherington and Thompson have had their chance. Ogden, Renouf are never gonna make it, Napa’s past it. And I don’t necessarily think “size” is the answer. Napa has size, so does Klemmer, but they’re two styles of prop I think the modern game is gonna pass by, too much just hit ups and nothing else, no steps, no skills and then tiring out. The prototypes for the future can bend the line yet still have mobility and have skill - Paulo and Papa are two good examples, and yeah I know their big, but there’s bigger. Thommo’s got a great chance of joining them. Napa is well past his best. We are missing a good starting prop. Odgen and Renouf are ok off the bench and occasionally starting, both have improvement in them, NRL bench props of their quality are not common. Best to keep what we have. Tommo should be starting lock, unfortunately that means Jacko coming off the bench. But like Odgen and Renouf, Jacko is a more than handy squad player. We need a bit more size impact and skill, mobility is important for the starting prop, but no necessarily long minutes. If that prop helps set the tone the rest of side can keep it going. Essentially replace Napa with a proper senior prop we are mostly there. We also need a couple of young guys with a bit of size to contend for bench positions. You guys are still missing the point. We have too few players that have the urgency to hit the line and go for a quick run. Thompson, RFM, Elliott, Dietz and DWZ. The rest just dont have it and never will. If they play in a team full of players that hit the offence line running, they might lift themselves to do the same. But to take the initiative themselves - no chance. Inability to win the territorial battle has been hindering this team for the last 20 years. Dietz needs to work on his defence. About 3 bad missed tackles in a row, a big part of 2 second half knights tries. Came off HIA, so might have been affected. His attack is good, defence is a potential problem. The team actually attacked way better than games in recent seasons, but defence up the middle was soft. Posession, Dietz, a lack of Tommo and Tolman all problems. In fact Tommo will do a lot to improve this side in attack and defence. We need to do a bit of work on defence and cutting out silly dropped balls. Our side has points in it for the first time in ages, stop the last Knights try in the first half and get a bit more possession in the first 20 of the 2nd half, we might have been right in it. But no team can afford soft defence up the middle, that is why no NRL coach picks 17 Ben Barbas. HD I'm sure every coach thinks "if we just did abit more of this or abit less of that, it would have been a different result. Well duh.... Rugby league is about preparing yourself to beat the opposition and if the game is in the balance, taking your chances when they present themselves or forcing the chances to come. At the moment, we cant force anything. Barrett knows this. Pay knew this. The challenge is to change the way the team plays to be able to adjust to whatever the situation is. It was disappointing to have lost yesterdays game well before the 60min mark. No doubt the 6 again rule played a part, but we need to be better at nullifying it
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Jackson Topine played 9 in reserve grade.
Played some 9 growing up.
Training at 9, lock and backrow.
Kind of like homegrown Cheese.
Great kid and a real talent.
If he can put some good games together he is a chance of an NRL bench spot.
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