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+xMate his kicking has been pedestrian at best. Foran was a pretty average kicker too but Flano takes the cake. No height, no position, doesnt find space, doesn't test the receivers. Absolute garbage. When the makeshift player in Katoa outkicks you 2 games in a row, and a rookie in Averillo constantly does better, you have to take a look 8n the mirror. Other than that predicted inside pass back to a flat footed forward, he hadn't shown anything. There’s no reason he can’t rise to heights again.
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+xThing is with Flanaghan, most of the people now death-riding him were more than happy when we signed him. Happy with the form he showed at the Roosters but now claim he never had that form at all. That form's still there, just not right now. But if last year upon his signing you though he was a great acquisition, young but has already proven himself, there's no reason he cant rise to heights again, was one of Roosters best and just a victim of their end of season form and the deal sounds like top value and you congratulate the club for securing him.... .... well if you turn on your own opinion after 8 games.... no actually, it was 4 wasn't it.... that just goes to show how shallow your opinion was in the first place... or is that now? And btw, anyone else want to claim they were against the signing at the time, just remember it's all here in black & white and not hard to find. And it wasn't. Well lets not focus on last year and focus on 3 aspects of his game - THIS year... 1) Kicking - atrocious. As I have mentioned many times, his long kicks are not long. His short chips are useless, his cross field kicks dont hit the mark and his grubbers are equally as bad. He looked like he kicked better at the Roosters so he is well down on that form. 2) Creative play - not good enough Let's face it... he is the more recognized of the halves and expected to be the creator of points. But other than the inside pass to flat footed players or wide deep passes to equally flat footed players, he hasn't created shit. He doesn't run the ball and has been easily eclipsed by Averillo. I do think this aspect of his game is heavily dependent on players around him so the fact we dont have players in motion and running onto the ball is one of the reasons he looks so poor compared to at the Roosters. But as per my other posts... we either change our way to play to his strengths or we continue getting flogged until next year. He certainly isnt the player that can compliment our style of play or force a change. 3) Defence - average I dont have any particular concerns with his defence. For a small half he does alright. I'm undecided on his rushing defence. Part of me likes it coz it improves our line speed but as he's the only one rushing out the result is no different to Josh Reynolds and he was lambasted by you blokes for doing the same. So there you go. That's my honest take. I'm not pretending his form has not waned from last year. I appreciate the players around him arent creating options for him but I also think he's a player that may just not be suited to this team unless we change drastically. Next year might be a different story. But this year I have him well behind Lewis and Wakeham and I would put Cogget ahead of him too if he was still here...
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+x+x+x+x+x+xRumours are Burton’s let slip that he’s coming to the Dogs to play #7. Flanno, Avo, all the rest of them, they’re playing for #6. I recon we can pencil Avo in for 6. Wakeham will help his chances if he shows some ultilty value 7,6,14,9. I have more or less given up on Lewis and Flanno. Wakeham has this season and the next to make his case. Another player to watch is Rys Davies in reserve grade can play 7,6,14,9 infact more proven in those positions than Wakeham, if we are looking for depth 22 ownwards Wakeham and Davis have some appeal especially as Burton could shift to the centres when were were short staffed. Another interesting point is Kerin Moss has bumped Declan Casey out of the reserve grade fullback spot. Casey isn't a bad player, Moss was highly rated about 3 years ago and fast from memory. So ehat happened to Moss? Probably injuries, will be interesting to see how fast he is. Yep agreed on Avo. He runs and kicks well and that's what you need from your 5/8th. My concern with Barrett is that he has shown who he is willing to play. But I have yet to see him make the harder call of who to NOT play. It's been clear to me that Flano needed to be dropped around round 3 or 4. Yet here we are in round 8 and he gets a free ride. As I mentioned, he's not a bad player in a team like Storm, Panthers or even Parra. But he cant lift this team. He cant motivate or instruct them to play properly. Barrett seems to be backing him in the hope the players around him change and at the risk of not winning another game. In my opinion if you havent been able to change the team in 8 weeks, you either dont have the ability yourself (as coach) or the players dont have the ability themselves. How long you can continue like this is up to the club and its fans. Barrett looks like he'll pursue his endgame goal in as many years as it takes. That worries me unless we make wholesale changes to the team in 1 season. Hopefully it is next. The 2 players I reckon that can change the way this team plays in the fastest time are Reynolds and the Cheese. Both perfectly suited to our style but both high influencers on the players around them. What makes you think "our" style of play is the right style. Besides wasn't it you that said we need to change the way we play because the 80s and 90s style just doesn't cut it in the modern game. What I mean is If you actually said what you meant in your original post, every second post wouldn’t need to start with that line...,
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xRumours are Burton’s let slip that he’s coming to the Dogs to play #7. Flanno, Avo, all the rest of them, they’re playing for #6. I recon we can pencil Avo in for 6. Wakeham will help his chances if he shows some ultilty value 7,6,14,9. I have more or less given up on Lewis and Flanno. Wakeham has this season and the next to make his case. Another player to watch is Rys Davies in reserve grade can play 7,6,14,9 infact more proven in those positions than Wakeham, if we are looking for depth 22 ownwards Wakeham and Davis have some appeal especially as Burton could shift to the centres when were were short staffed. Another interesting point is Kerin Moss has bumped Declan Casey out of the reserve grade fullback spot. Casey isn't a bad player, Moss was highly rated about 3 years ago and fast from memory. So ehat happened to Moss? Probably injuries, will be interesting to see how fast he is. Yep agreed on Avo. He runs and kicks well and that's what you need from your 5/8th. My concern with Barrett is that he has shown who he is willing to play. But I have yet to see him make the harder call of who to NOT play. It's been clear to me that Flano needed to be dropped around round 3 or 4. Yet here we are in round 8 and he gets a free ride. As I mentioned, he's not a bad player in a team like Storm, Panthers or even Parra. But he cant lift this team. He cant motivate or instruct them to play properly. Barrett seems to be backing him in the hope the players around him change and at the risk of not winning another game. In my opinion if you havent been able to change the team in 8 weeks, you either dont have the ability yourself (as coach) or the players dont have the ability themselves. How long you can continue like this is up to the club and its fans. Barrett looks like he'll pursue his endgame goal in as many years as it takes. That worries me unless we make wholesale changes to the team in 1 season. Hopefully it is next. The 2 players I reckon that can change the way this team plays in the fastest time are Reynolds and the Cheese. Both perfectly suited to our style but both high influencers on the players around them. What makes you think "our" style of play is the right style. Besides wasn't it you that said we need to change the way we play because the 80s and 90s style just doesn't cut it in the modern game. What I mean is If you actually said what you meant in your original post, every second post wouldn’t need to start with that line..., It's people misunderstanding or not bothered to read my post to start off with and then going on the front foot with attacks that prompt me to say it. What I should have said was.... "if you bothered to read my post"......
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+x+xThing is with Flanaghan, most of the people now death-riding him were more than happy when we signed him. Happy with the form he showed at the Roosters but now claim he never had that form at all. That form's still there, just not right now. But if last year upon his signing you though he was a great acquisition, young but has already proven himself, there's no reason he cant rise to heights again, was one of Roosters best and just a victim of their end of season form and the deal sounds like top value and you congratulate the club for securing him.... .... well if you turn on your own opinion after 8 games.... no actually, it was 4 wasn't it.... that just goes to show how shallow your opinion was in the first place... or is that now? And btw, anyone else want to claim they were against the signing at the time, just remember it's all here in black & white and not hard to find. And it wasn't. Well lets not focus on last year and focus on 3 aspects of his game - THIS year... 1) Kicking - atrocious. As I have mentioned many times, his long kicks are not long. His short chips are useless, his cross field kicks dont hit the mark and his grubbers are equally as bad. He looked like he kicked better at the Roosters so he is well down on that form. 2) Creative play - not good enough Let's face it... he is the more recognized of the halves and expected to be the creator of points. But other than the inside pass to flat footed players or wide deep passes to equally flat footed players, he hasn't created shit. He doesn't run the ball and has been easily eclipsed by Averillo. I do think this aspect of his game is heavily dependent on players around him so the fact we dont have players in motion and running onto the ball is one of the reasons he looks so poor compared to at the Roosters. But as per my other posts... we either change our way to play to his strengths or we continue getting flogged until next year. He certainly isnt the player that can compliment our style of play or force a change. 3) Defence - average I dont have any particular concerns with his defence. For a small half he does alright. I'm undecided on his rushing defence. Part of me likes it coz it improves our line speed but as he's the only one rushing out the result is no different to Josh Reynolds and he was lambasted by you blokes for doing the same. So there you go. That's my honest take. I'm not pretending his form has not waned from last year. I appreciate the players around him arent creating options for him but I also think he's a player that may just not be suited to this team unless we change drastically. Next year might be a different story. But this year I have him well behind Lewis and Wakeham and I would put Cogget ahead of him too if he was still here... You have forgotten how many bad passes Lewis and Cogger threw. Cogger had a good running game and instincts. Lewis good kicking and defence. If we can make a Frankenstein half out of these 3 players, that is who we need. My honest take Flanagan didn't have to do much different the Roosters he had more time and space to pass and kick. Better kick chase and better players running on to his passes, also more help in defence. I am not that sure his actual play has changed that much, he did look better player for the Roosters, most probably that is due to kicking from better field position with more time and a better chase. Unlike Zef I'm not sure that he will get better this season, in a better team or with 2-3 more years of NRL he will be a better player. My guess is that Wakeham has a higher ceiling, the best of Wakeham may be better than the best of Flanagan, better now and in 3 years time. Baz is making the call and I respect his judgement, he us better plaved to judge.
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+x+xThing is with Flanaghan, most of the people now death-riding him were more than happy when we signed him. Happy with the form he showed at the Roosters but now claim he never had that form at all. That form's still there, just not right now. But if last year upon his signing you though he was a great acquisition, young but has already proven himself, there's no reason he cant rise to heights again, was one of Roosters best and just a victim of their end of season form and the deal sounds like top value and you congratulate the club for securing him.... .... well if you turn on your own opinion after 8 games.... no actually, it was 4 wasn't it.... that just goes to show how shallow your opinion was in the first place... or is that now? And btw, anyone else want to claim they were against the signing at the time, just remember it's all here in black & white and not hard to find. And it wasn't. He seems to be lacking in confidence as evidenced by his second conversion attempt. I do think he is okay and I doubt anyone would critcise his role in the first try of the year against Newcastle. He has been given virtually no support on the 5th tackle kicks...9 times out of ten we have virtually no chasers. Sorry Zef but i disagree 100% on the 5th ya joke kicks. It is HE who gives the outside backs NO chance to either contest the ball, tackle the player near the line and force a push back to the ingoal or sideline. Most times, the opposition take the kick with ease and return it. I'm struggling to think of a poorer kicker we've had in ages...
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+x+x+xThing is with Flanaghan, most of the people now death-riding him were more than happy when we signed him. Happy with the form he showed at the Roosters but now claim he never had that form at all. That form's still there, just not right now. But if last year upon his signing you though he was a great acquisition, young but has already proven himself, there's no reason he cant rise to heights again, was one of Roosters best and just a victim of their end of season form and the deal sounds like top value and you congratulate the club for securing him.... .... well if you turn on your own opinion after 8 games.... no actually, it was 4 wasn't it.... that just goes to show how shallow your opinion was in the first place... or is that now? And btw, anyone else want to claim they were against the signing at the time, just remember it's all here in black & white and not hard to find. And it wasn't. He seems to be lacking in confidence as evidenced by his second conversion attempt. I do think he is okay and I doubt anyone would critcise his role in the first try of the year against Newcastle. He has been given virtually no support on the 5th tackle kicks...9 times out of ten we have virtually no chasers. Sorry Zef but i disagree 100% on the 5th ya joke kicks. It is HE who gives the outside backs NO chance to either contest the ball, tackle the player near the line and force a push back to the ingoal or sideline. Most times, the opposition take the kick with ease and return it. I'm struggling to think of a poorer kicker we've had in ages... Josh Reynolds?
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+xSorry Zef but i disagree 100% on the 5th ya joke kicks. It is HE who gives the outside backs NO chance to either contest the ball, tackle the player near the line and force a push back to the ingoal or sideline. Most times, the opposition take the kick with ease and return it. I'm struggling to think of a poorer kicker we've had in ages... Wrong bloke
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Everyone on every forum has the answer and we are all experts. We can see what the problem is and we know how to fix it. Yeah right, I'm sure that TBaz can see there are issues and if was as easy as we say, don't you all think it would be rectified. It's a matter of perspective Marki sees it differently from Zef who sees it differently than dman etc etc etc and this includes every poster on every other Dogs forum. The forwards are the problem or the halves are sh!t or the backline is useless or even sack the coach. Barrett has an idea of what he wants the final product to look like and it may not be as easy as dropping and delgating players from the lower grades or even splashing out a motza on new players. Even I thought we would be in a better position this year than what we are but it is what it is and we just have to be patient, see what the coach and the team can do who knows we might just click one week and improve for the rest of the season. Plus and this is a big plus, Addo-Carr and Burton might just turn out sh!t with this side. I've seen it before where players change teams and superstars fail to fire and zeros become heros.
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+x+x+x+xOur problem tonight was Napa made about 30 meters and Thompson made about 80. Renouf and Ava off the bench made 100 plus’s and almost a hundred. We need more of them.
Thompson is a lock. We need to sign Tapau or somebody else similar. Plus about two more hard running props. I don't disagree, we were skinny in that area and Napa going off made it worse. Ava really improved on last week. Renouf is an improving player. My point is that some players are not improving, or play well 1 week out of 8, we can't win NRL games with 2-3 players playing badly, they drag the rest of the team down to the level. The forwards I thought had size and long term potential in reserve grade are on an extended bench, Guys like Britt, Odgen and Stimson are starting, The young guys are not ready and might not be good enough. We can fix it for next year, this season is a test of how players play in tough circumstances. My experience is that the good ones step up and the bad ones go backwards. We are already seeing this with Meaney and Averillo stepping up. Throw in Topine, Dietz seems to be improving. Elliott and Thompson are trying too hard, they are stepping up occasionally. Supercoach’s $600k + mate Elliott is one player that’s failed to deliver much in 2021 He’s not yet in the Hopoate/Napa class of being f#cking hopeless just yet, but at the same time in 8 rounds with a depleted forward pack, he’s done sweet FA except run his mouth like Flanagan.
Watching them live yesterday.... the Eels forwards just ran so much harder & we’re always looking for the 2nd phase play. Why is that so much to ask of our bloody forwards & especially Elliott who constantly thinks he’s got the No.6 on his back. Style of play my friend. We are the only team that sends players to the line 1 at a time. We are easy pickings for the defence, east to dominate the tackle, slow it down and easy for the defence to run back the 10 and get ready for another ambush. What our players need is to practice running in numbers so we have players our hookers can hit, players that can offer support for 2nd phase play, and for the defence to make decisions and hesitate from retreating the 10 until they have completed the tackle. This tires the defence out, slows their rushing advancements and forces errors. It's a snow ball effect. If I were coach, I'd get our players to the beach and I'd make them stand around 3m into the water where the shallow waves are. I'd make them stand to the side and tell them to watch wave after wave for 2hrs just so the fekking concept can become imprinted into their fekking pea brains. Then I'd get them to put into practice by running in numbers in the sad. No one goes home until I'm satisfied they are doing it right. Its footy 101 and if you cant do this, see ya later. That just is t true mate. Most teams run only one player fir hit ups most of the game. Only time we see more than one running off the dummy half is third it forth tackle in attacking positions. We even do that occasionally.
The problem is we get no field position. Not the plays
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+xEveryone on every forum has the answer and we are all experts. We can see what the problem is and we know how to fix it. Yeah right, I'm sure that TBaz can see there are issues and if was as easy as we say, don't you all think it would be rectified. It's a matter of perspective Marki sees it differently from Zef who sees it differently than dman etc etc etc and this includes every poster on every other Dogs forum. The forwards are the problem or the halves are sh!t or the backline is useless or even sack the coach. Barrett has an idea of what he wants the final product to look like and it may not be as easy as dropping and delgating players from the lower grades or even splashing out a motza on new players. Even I thought we would be in a better position this year than what we are but it is what it is and we just have to be patient, see what the coach and the team can do who knows we might just click one week and improve for the rest of the season. Plus and this is a big plus, Addo-Carr and Burton might just turn out sh!t with this side. I've seen it before where players change teams and superstars fail to fire and zeros become heros. Essentially I agree, I just think it is time for a few experiments, if Baz thinks differently, he is the man making the call. Until we try will will never know, what I think may work, may actually make things worse. If this is the best we have, we may was well experiment, this side in their current form, will not win many games. The Dragqueens look beatable if we can get our act together, certainly a step down in class from Parra. Lower grades are going ok and we may get some players back from injury. Outside of the top 6 the comp is fairly even, assuming we can step up and compete most weeks.
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+xThing is with Flanaghan, most of the people now death-riding him were more than happy when we signed him. Happy with the form he showed at the Roosters but now claim he never had that form at all. That form's still there, just not right now. But if last year upon his signing you though he was a great acquisition, young but has already proven himself, there's no reason he cant rise to heights again, was one of Roosters best and just a victim of their end of season form and the deal sounds like top value and you congratulate the club for securing him.... .... well if you turn on your own opinion after 8 games.... no actually, it was 4 wasn't it.... that just goes to show how shallow your opinion was in the first place... or is that now? And btw, anyone else want to claim they were against the signing at the time, just remember it's all here in black & white and not hard to find. And it wasn't. I was against the signing at the time. I wanted a more experienced halfback because I was fed up with losing and thought the team needed that. It I’m happy to stick with him now we are playing the long game
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xRumours are Burton’s let slip that he’s coming to the Dogs to play #7. Flanno, Avo, all the rest of them, they’re playing for #6. I recon we can pencil Avo in for 6. Wakeham will help his chances if he shows some ultilty value 7,6,14,9. I have more or less given up on Lewis and Flanno. Wakeham has this season and the next to make his case. Another player to watch is Rys Davies in reserve grade can play 7,6,14,9 infact more proven in those positions than Wakeham, if we are looking for depth 22 ownwards Wakeham and Davis have some appeal especially as Burton could shift to the centres when were were short staffed. Another interesting point is Kerin Moss has bumped Declan Casey out of the reserve grade fullback spot. Casey isn't a bad player, Moss was highly rated about 3 years ago and fast from memory. So ehat happened to Moss? Probably injuries, will be interesting to see how fast he is. Yep agreed on Avo. He runs and kicks well and that's what you need from your 5/8th. My concern with Barrett is that he has shown who he is willing to play. But I have yet to see him make the harder call of who to NOT play. It's been clear to me that Flano needed to be dropped around round 3 or 4. Yet here we are in round 8 and he gets a free ride. As I mentioned, he's not a bad player in a team like Storm, Panthers or even Parra. But he cant lift this team. He cant motivate or instruct them to play properly. Barrett seems to be backing him in the hope the players around him change and at the risk of not winning another game. In my opinion if you havent been able to change the team in 8 weeks, you either dont have the ability yourself (as coach) or the players dont have the ability themselves. How long you can continue like this is up to the club and its fans. Barrett looks like he'll pursue his endgame goal in as many years as it takes. That worries me unless we make wholesale changes to the team in 1 season. Hopefully it is next. The 2 players I reckon that can change the way this team plays in the fastest time are Reynolds and the Cheese. Both perfectly suited to our style but both high influencers on the players around them. What makes you think "our" style of play is the right style. Besides wasn't it you that said we need to change the way we play because the 80s and 90s style just doesn't cut it in the modern game. What I mean is If you actually said what you meant in your original post, every second post wouldn’t need to start with that line..., It's people misunderstanding or not bothered to read my post to start off with and then going on the front foot with attacks that prompt me to say it. What I should have said was.... "if you bothered to read my post"...... Good post , read every word.... it’s pretty big of you to come out on a public forum... I wish I was as strong...
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+x+xThing is with Flanaghan, most of the people now death-riding him were more than happy when we signed him. Happy with the form he showed at the Roosters but now claim he never had that form at all. That form's still there, just not right now. But if last year upon his signing you though he was a great acquisition, young but has already proven himself, there's no reason he cant rise to heights again, was one of Roosters best and just a victim of their end of season form and the deal sounds like top value and you congratulate the club for securing him.... .... well if you turn on your own opinion after 8 games.... no actually, it was 4 wasn't it.... that just goes to show how shallow your opinion was in the first place... or is that now? And btw, anyone else want to claim they were against the signing at the time, just remember it's all here in black & white and not hard to find. And it wasn't. I was against the signing at the time. I wanted a more experienced halfback because I was fed up with losing and thought the team needed that. It I’m happy to stick with him now we are playing the long game So who were you keen in signing that was available in November???::
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+xEveryone on every forum has the answer and we are all experts. We can see what the problem is and we know how to fix it. Yeah right, I'm sure that TBaz can see there are issues and if was as easy as we say, don't you all think it would be rectified. It's a matter of perspective Marki sees it differently from Zef who sees it differently than dman etc etc etc and this includes every poster on every other Dogs forum. The forwards are the problem or the halves are sh!t or the backline is useless or even sack the coach. Barrett has an idea of what he wants the final product to look like and it may not be as easy as dropping and delgating players from the lower grades or even splashing out a motza on new players. Even I thought we would be in a better position this year than what we are but it is what it is and we just have to be patient, see what the coach and the team can do who knows we might just click one week and improve for the rest of the season. Plus and this is a big plus, Addo-Carr and Burton might just turn out sh!t with this side. I've seen it before where players change teams and superstars fail to fire and zeros become heros. I have no answers, and know little.... how very dare you accuse me being an expert... I am just here to watch Villi and Marki make complete asses of themselves while I drink beer, tequila, sake etc... As Stevemsdsqi+ would say, I’m here for the lolz....
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+x+xSorry Zef but i disagree 100% on the 5th ya joke kicks. It is HE who gives the outside backs NO chance to either contest the ball, tackle the player near the line and force a push back to the ingoal or sideline. Most times, the opposition take the kick with ease and return it. I'm struggling to think of a poorer kicker we've had in ages... Wrong bloke What he meant was.... someone else.., Cos he’s reading and understanding.., #lookatmemum!!!.. #nohands... #noidea...
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That is weird, the score I gave for reserve grade was wrong.
The final score was a win 34-26, the website must have been broken.
The good news is my man Big Ben was in the team and scored the last 2 Mounties tries.
I guess Parra foolishly thought a tank would stop him.
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+x+x+xThing is with Flanaghan, most of the people now death-riding him were more than happy when we signed him. Happy with the form he showed at the Roosters but now claim he never had that form at all. That form's still there, just not right now. But if last year upon his signing you though he was a great acquisition, young but has already proven himself, there's no reason he cant rise to heights again, was one of Roosters best and just a victim of their end of season form and the deal sounds like top value and you congratulate the club for securing him.... .... well if you turn on your own opinion after 8 games.... no actually, it was 4 wasn't it.... that just goes to show how shallow your opinion was in the first place... or is that now? And btw, anyone else want to claim they were against the signing at the time, just remember it's all here in black & white and not hard to find. And it wasn't. I was against the signing at the time. I wanted a more experienced halfback because I was fed up with losing and thought the team needed that. It I’m happy to stick with him now we are playing the long game So who were you keen in signing that was available in November???:: Are we talking music, movies, ballet classes?
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+x+x+x+x+xOur problem tonight was Napa made about 30 meters and Thompson made about 80. Renouf and Ava off the bench made 100 plus’s and almost a hundred. We need more of them.
Thompson is a lock. We need to sign Tapau or somebody else similar. Plus about two more hard running props. I don't disagree, we were skinny in that area and Napa going off made it worse. Ava really improved on last week. Renouf is an improving player. My point is that some players are not improving, or play well 1 week out of 8, we can't win NRL games with 2-3 players playing badly, they drag the rest of the team down to the level. The forwards I thought had size and long term potential in reserve grade are on an extended bench, Guys like Britt, Odgen and Stimson are starting, The young guys are not ready and might not be good enough. We can fix it for next year, this season is a test of how players play in tough circumstances. My experience is that the good ones step up and the bad ones go backwards. We are already seeing this with Meaney and Averillo stepping up. Throw in Topine, Dietz seems to be improving. Elliott and Thompson are trying too hard, they are stepping up occasionally. Supercoach’s $600k + mate Elliott is one player that’s failed to deliver much in 2021 He’s not yet in the Hopoate/Napa class of being f#cking hopeless just yet, but at the same time in 8 rounds with a depleted forward pack, he’s done sweet FA except run his mouth like Flanagan.
Watching them live yesterday.... the Eels forwards just ran so much harder & we’re always looking for the 2nd phase play. Why is that so much to ask of our bloody forwards & especially Elliott who constantly thinks he’s got the No.6 on his back. Style of play my friend. We are the only team that sends players to the line 1 at a time. We are easy pickings for the defence, east to dominate the tackle, slow it down and easy for the defence to run back the 10 and get ready for another ambush. What our players need is to practice running in numbers so we have players our hookers can hit, players that can offer support for 2nd phase play, and for the defence to make decisions and hesitate from retreating the 10 until they have completed the tackle. This tires the defence out, slows their rushing advancements and forces errors. It's a snow ball effect. If I were coach, I'd get our players to the beach and I'd make them stand around 3m into the water where the shallow waves are. I'd make them stand to the side and tell them to watch wave after wave for 2hrs just so the fekking concept can become imprinted into their fekking pea brains. Then I'd get them to put into practice by running in numbers in the sad. No one goes home until I'm satisfied they are doing it right. Its footy 101 and if you cant do this, see ya later. That just is t true mate. Most teams run only one player fir hit ups most of the game. Only time we see more than one running off the dummy half is third it forth tackle in attacking positions. We even do that occasionally.
The problem is we get no field position. Not the plays It's fine to run 1 out with no support if you're winning the ruck and have the defence back pedalling from quick PTB or hitting the ball at speed. But unfortunately we dont do either. Everything seems slow motion with us.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xRumours are Burton’s let slip that he’s coming to the Dogs to play #7. Flanno, Avo, all the rest of them, they’re playing for #6. I recon we can pencil Avo in for 6. Wakeham will help his chances if he shows some ultilty value 7,6,14,9. I have more or less given up on Lewis and Flanno. Wakeham has this season and the next to make his case. Another player to watch is Rys Davies in reserve grade can play 7,6,14,9 infact more proven in those positions than Wakeham, if we are looking for depth 22 ownwards Wakeham and Davis have some appeal especially as Burton could shift to the centres when were were short staffed. Another interesting point is Kerin Moss has bumped Declan Casey out of the reserve grade fullback spot. Casey isn't a bad player, Moss was highly rated about 3 years ago and fast from memory. So ehat happened to Moss? Probably injuries, will be interesting to see how fast he is. Yep agreed on Avo. He runs and kicks well and that's what you need from your 5/8th. My concern with Barrett is that he has shown who he is willing to play. But I have yet to see him make the harder call of who to NOT play. It's been clear to me that Flano needed to be dropped around round 3 or 4. Yet here we are in round 8 and he gets a free ride. As I mentioned, he's not a bad player in a team like Storm, Panthers or even Parra. But he cant lift this team. He cant motivate or instruct them to play properly. Barrett seems to be backing him in the hope the players around him change and at the risk of not winning another game. In my opinion if you havent been able to change the team in 8 weeks, you either dont have the ability yourself (as coach) or the players dont have the ability themselves. How long you can continue like this is up to the club and its fans. Barrett looks like he'll pursue his endgame goal in as many years as it takes. That worries me unless we make wholesale changes to the team in 1 season. Hopefully it is next. The 2 players I reckon that can change the way this team plays in the fastest time are Reynolds and the Cheese. Both perfectly suited to our style but both high influencers on the players around them. What makes you think "our" style of play is the right style. Besides wasn't it you that said we need to change the way we play because the 80s and 90s style just doesn't cut it in the modern game. What I mean is If you actually said what you meant in your original post, every second post wouldn’t need to start with that line..., It's people misunderstanding or not bothered to read my post to start off with and then going on the front foot with attacks that prompt me to say it. What I should have said was.... "if you bothered to read my post"...... Good post , read every word.... it’s pretty big of you to come out on a public forum... I wish I was as strong... Dont worry. I'll take you under my wing and you'll be just fine.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xRumours are Burton’s let slip that he’s coming to the Dogs to play #7. Flanno, Avo, all the rest of them, they’re playing for #6. I recon we can pencil Avo in for 6. Wakeham will help his chances if he shows some ultilty value 7,6,14,9. I have more or less given up on Lewis and Flanno. Wakeham has this season and the next to make his case. Another player to watch is Rys Davies in reserve grade can play 7,6,14,9 infact more proven in those positions than Wakeham, if we are looking for depth 22 ownwards Wakeham and Davis have some appeal especially as Burton could shift to the centres when were were short staffed. Another interesting point is Kerin Moss has bumped Declan Casey out of the reserve grade fullback spot. Casey isn't a bad player, Moss was highly rated about 3 years ago and fast from memory. So ehat happened to Moss? Probably injuries, will be interesting to see how fast he is. Yep agreed on Avo. He runs and kicks well and that's what you need from your 5/8th. My concern with Barrett is that he has shown who he is willing to play. But I have yet to see him make the harder call of who to NOT play. It's been clear to me that Flano needed to be dropped around round 3 or 4. Yet here we are in round 8 and he gets a free ride. As I mentioned, he's not a bad player in a team like Storm, Panthers or even Parra. But he cant lift this team. He cant motivate or instruct them to play properly. Barrett seems to be backing him in the hope the players around him change and at the risk of not winning another game. In my opinion if you havent been able to change the team in 8 weeks, you either dont have the ability yourself (as coach) or the players dont have the ability themselves. How long you can continue like this is up to the club and its fans. Barrett looks like he'll pursue his endgame goal in as many years as it takes. That worries me unless we make wholesale changes to the team in 1 season. Hopefully it is next. The 2 players I reckon that can change the way this team plays in the fastest time are Reynolds and the Cheese. Both perfectly suited to our style but both high influencers on the players around them. What makes you think "our" style of play is the right style. Besides wasn't it you that said we need to change the way we play because the 80s and 90s style just doesn't cut it in the modern game. What I mean is If you actually said what you meant in your original post, every second post wouldn’t need to start with that line..., It's people misunderstanding or not bothered to read my post to start off with and then going on the front foot with attacks that prompt me to say it. What I should have said was.... "if you bothered to read my post"...... Good post , read every word.... it’s pretty big of you to come out on a public forum... I wish I was as strong... Dont worry. I'll take you under my wing and you'll be just fine. Would end in Icarus all-sorts...
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+x+x+xThing is with Flanaghan, most of the people now death-riding him were more than happy when we signed him. Happy with the form he showed at the Roosters but now claim he never had that form at all. That form's still there, just not right now. But if last year upon his signing you though he was a great acquisition, young but has already proven himself, there's no reason he cant rise to heights again, was one of Roosters best and just a victim of their end of season form and the deal sounds like top value and you congratulate the club for securing him.... .... well if you turn on your own opinion after 8 games.... no actually, it was 4 wasn't it.... that just goes to show how shallow your opinion was in the first place... or is that now? And btw, anyone else want to claim they were against the signing at the time, just remember it's all here in black & white and not hard to find. And it wasn't. I was against the signing at the time. I wanted a more experienced halfback because I was fed up with losing and thought the team needed that. It I’m happy to stick with him now we are playing the long game So who were you keen in signing that was available in November???:: I’m not saying there was another option. More that I thought we needed an experienced halfback back then. So I would have preferred not to sign a young kid. I think so far a few of Bazs signings seem questionable at best.
I’m happy to stick by what Baz is doing. But I’m not going to be surprised if we are not contending for a premiership during his time at the club. He is trying to put together a young squad. It could work long term but I feel that we desperately miss experience.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xOur problem tonight was Napa made about 30 meters and Thompson made about 80. Renouf and Ava off the bench made 100 plus’s and almost a hundred. We need more of them.
Thompson is a lock. We need to sign Tapau or somebody else similar. Plus about two more hard running props. I don't disagree, we were skinny in that area and Napa going off made it worse. Ava really improved on last week. Renouf is an improving player. My point is that some players are not improving, or play well 1 week out of 8, we can't win NRL games with 2-3 players playing badly, they drag the rest of the team down to the level. The forwards I thought had size and long term potential in reserve grade are on an extended bench, Guys like Britt, Odgen and Stimson are starting, The young guys are not ready and might not be good enough. We can fix it for next year, this season is a test of how players play in tough circumstances. My experience is that the good ones step up and the bad ones go backwards. We are already seeing this with Meaney and Averillo stepping up. Throw in Topine, Dietz seems to be improving. Elliott and Thompson are trying too hard, they are stepping up occasionally. Supercoach’s $600k + mate Elliott is one player that’s failed to deliver much in 2021 He’s not yet in the Hopoate/Napa class of being f#cking hopeless just yet, but at the same time in 8 rounds with a depleted forward pack, he’s done sweet FA except run his mouth like Flanagan.
Watching them live yesterday.... the Eels forwards just ran so much harder & we’re always looking for the 2nd phase play. Why is that so much to ask of our bloody forwards & especially Elliott who constantly thinks he’s got the No.6 on his back. Style of play my friend. We are the only team that sends players to the line 1 at a time. We are easy pickings for the defence, east to dominate the tackle, slow it down and easy for the defence to run back the 10 and get ready for another ambush. What our players need is to practice running in numbers so we have players our hookers can hit, players that can offer support for 2nd phase play, and for the defence to make decisions and hesitate from retreating the 10 until they have completed the tackle. This tires the defence out, slows their rushing advancements and forces errors. It's a snow ball effect. If I were coach, I'd get our players to the beach and I'd make them stand around 3m into the water where the shallow waves are. I'd make them stand to the side and tell them to watch wave after wave for 2hrs just so the fekking concept can become imprinted into their fekking pea brains. Then I'd get them to put into practice by running in numbers in the sad. No one goes home until I'm satisfied they are doing it right. Its footy 101 and if you cant do this, see ya later. That just is t true mate. Most teams run only one player fir hit ups most of the game. Only time we see more than one running off the dummy half is third it forth tackle in attacking positions. We even do that occasionally.
The problem is we get no field position. Not the plays It's fine to run 1 out with no support if you're winning the ruck and have the defence back pedalling from quick PTB or hitting the ball at speed. But unfortunately we dont do either. Everything seems slow motion with us. That’s because we are not winning the ruck. Because our forwards are soft. This in turn tires them out not allowing more than one player running forward and very little room to put on set plays.
It’s an easy fix. But decent forwards.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOur problem tonight was Napa made about 30 meters and Thompson made about 80. Renouf and Ava off the bench made 100 plus’s and almost a hundred. We need more of them.
Thompson is a lock. We need to sign Tapau or somebody else similar. Plus about two more hard running props. I don't disagree, we were skinny in that area and Napa going off made it worse. Ava really improved on last week. Renouf is an improving player. My point is that some players are not improving, or play well 1 week out of 8, we can't win NRL games with 2-3 players playing badly, they drag the rest of the team down to the level. The forwards I thought had size and long term potential in reserve grade are on an extended bench, Guys like Britt, Odgen and Stimson are starting, The young guys are not ready and might not be good enough. We can fix it for next year, this season is a test of how players play in tough circumstances. My experience is that the good ones step up and the bad ones go backwards. We are already seeing this with Meaney and Averillo stepping up. Throw in Topine, Dietz seems to be improving. Elliott and Thompson are trying too hard, they are stepping up occasionally. Supercoach’s $600k + mate Elliott is one player that’s failed to deliver much in 2021 He’s not yet in the Hopoate/Napa class of being f#cking hopeless just yet, but at the same time in 8 rounds with a depleted forward pack, he’s done sweet FA except run his mouth like Flanagan.
Watching them live yesterday.... the Eels forwards just ran so much harder & we’re always looking for the 2nd phase play. Why is that so much to ask of our bloody forwards & especially Elliott who constantly thinks he’s got the No.6 on his back. Style of play my friend. We are the only team that sends players to the line 1 at a time. We are easy pickings for the defence, east to dominate the tackle, slow it down and easy for the defence to run back the 10 and get ready for another ambush. What our players need is to practice running in numbers so we have players our hookers can hit, players that can offer support for 2nd phase play, and for the defence to make decisions and hesitate from retreating the 10 until they have completed the tackle. This tires the defence out, slows their rushing advancements and forces errors. It's a snow ball effect. If I were coach, I'd get our players to the beach and I'd make them stand around 3m into the water where the shallow waves are. I'd make them stand to the side and tell them to watch wave after wave for 2hrs just so the fekking concept can become imprinted into their fekking pea brains. Then I'd get them to put into practice by running in numbers in the sad. No one goes home until I'm satisfied they are doing it right. Its footy 101 and if you cant do this, see ya later. That just is t true mate. Most teams run only one player fir hit ups most of the game. Only time we see more than one running off the dummy half is third it forth tackle in attacking positions. We even do that occasionally.
The problem is we get no field position. Not the plays It's fine to run 1 out with no support if you're winning the ruck and have the defence back pedalling from quick PTB or hitting the ball at speed. But unfortunately we dont do either. Everything seems slow motion with us. That’s because we are not winning the ruck. Because our forwards are soft. This in turn tires them out not allowing more than one player running forward and very little room to put on set plays.
It’s an easy fix. But decent forwards. Buy decent forwards I meant.
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Damn you Charlie Staines.... and damn you Ricky Stuart for giving Ryan James just 20 mins last week And damn me for captaining bloody Munster
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+xI was against the signing at the time. I wanted a more experienced halfback because I was fed up with losing and thought the team needed that. It I’m happy to stick with him now we are playing the long game Well I’m not gonna continue to tell you blokes what you thought “at the time” when you can go back starting at page 784 and read it yourself.... or amend it.... or delete it (but before you do, consider a bloke with PDF writer might have been there too). You Mick, come in page 787. “The Flanno signing reminds me of the Hodko signing. Calm, composed general with a great kicking game.”
Yeah, sounds like you were against it “at the time”.
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The first 3 tries in reserve grade were from Lewis kicks, that is the kind of evidence that changes my mind.
His passing game has improved at least in reserve grade and if he attempts fewer long passes he is halfway there.
It only counts when players can do it in the NRL, and do it consistently.
We will get the most value this season from improving our 5th tackle kicks.
The other thing that will make a difference is one more prop or a big backrower.
Ava seafood salad has been a big success, we need one more like him.
After round 10 it seems that development players can play, I hope we can squeeze one more forward in somewhere.
Sooner or later Flanagan will improve or Baz will lose patience and give Lewis or Wakeham a shot.
I'll take the first one that can consistently put in good 4th/5th tackle kicks and as I said yesterday I hope the hookers can throw in a few more grubbers close to the try line.
My interest in reserve grade this year is I can see we need a bit more in the NRL this year.
It will be a much more enjoyable season and everyone at the club will be happier if we find that something extra.
The players we are missing don't need to be elite, just hard working and reliable.
Okunbor or another big winger might help.
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+xDamn you Charlie Staines.... and damn you Ricky Stuart for giving Ryan James just 20 mins last week And damn me for captaining bloody Munster You know Dman is rigging supercoach.
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+xThe first 3 tries in reserve grade were from Lewis kicks, that is the kind of evidence that changes my mind. His passing game has improved at least in reserve grade and if he attempts fewer long passes he is halfway there. It only counts when players can do it in the NRL, and do it consistently. We will get the most value this season from improving our 5th tackle kicks. The other thing that will make a difference is one more prop or a big backrower. Ava seafood salad has been a big success, we need one more like him. After round 10 it seems that development players can play, I hope we can squeeze one more forward in somewhere. Sooner or later Flanagan will improve or Baz will lose patience and give Lewis or Wakeham a shot. I'll take the first one that can consistently put in good 4th/5th tackle kicks and as I said yesterday I hope the hookers can throw in a few more grubbers close to the try line. My interest in reserve grade this year is I can see we need a bit more in the NRL this year. It will be a much more enjoyable season and everyone at the club will be happier if we find that something extra. The players we are missing don't need to be elite, just hard working and reliable. Okunbor or another big winger might help. He said he was gonna start rotating youngsters through the team after round 10, if they’ve earned the shot.
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+x+xThe first 3 tries in reserve grade were from Lewis kicks, that is the kind of evidence that changes my mind. His passing game has improved at least in reserve grade and if he attempts fewer long passes he is halfway there. It only counts when players can do it in the NRL, and do it consistently. We will get the most value this season from improving our 5th tackle kicks. The other thing that will make a difference is one more prop or a big backrower. Ava seafood salad has been a big success, we need one more like him. After round 10 it seems that development players can play, I hope we can squeeze one more forward in somewhere. Sooner or later Flanagan will improve or Baz will lose patience and give Lewis or Wakeham a shot. I'll take the first one that can consistently put in good 4th/5th tackle kicks and as I said yesterday I hope the hookers can throw in a few more grubbers close to the try line. My interest in reserve grade this year is I can see we need a bit more in the NRL this year. It will be a much more enjoyable season and everyone at the club will be happier if we find that something extra. The players we are missing don't need to be elite, just hard working and reliable. Okunbor or another big winger might help. He said he was gonna start rotating youngsters through the team after round 10, if they’ve earned the shot. Yeah I know. I think the team should go better and/or young players will get valuable experience. 10% improvement will have us in the mix to beat all but the top 6, and make the top 6 work harder for a win.
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