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hounddog - 6 Oct 2018 9:23 AM
dman2018 - 6 Oct 2018 8:25 AM

Have you thought of running for PM, and making the redevelopment of Belmore a national priority, you have my vote :)

Make Belmore Great Again...


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Have just walked out of an emergency board meeting and would like to announce the company I work for will not be sponsoring the bulldogs next season...

While we have not previously sponsored the bulldogs or ever had any intention of sponsoring the bulldogs in future, we thought it important to take this opportunity to promote our alleged company values and product at any expense...

We were not contacted by the club in any way post mad Monday, and although not currently a sponsor, we think a phone call to all members of the Australian public as potential sponsors would have been appropriate...






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Steveswr1 - 5 Oct 2018 11:24 AM
BloodyNora - 5 Oct 2018 9:01 AM

If it can be taken...steal it, if it can't be... vandalise or graffiti it. 

The current condition Balmain Leagues Club is in might be an improvement on what Manly have been working with if the rumours are anything to go by.

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BloodyNora - 6 Oct 2018 4:48 PM
Steveswr1 - 5 Oct 2018 11:24 AM

The current condition Balmain Leagues Club is in might be an improvement on what Manly have been working with if the rumours are anything to go by.

Why would the Penn's invest in a place that has only 12 month lease remaining after selling to Chinese investors a couple of years ago for a sweet profit...
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dman2018 - 6 Oct 2018 5:13 PM
BloodyNora - 6 Oct 2018 4:48 PM

Why would the Penn's invest in a place that has only 12 month lease remaining after selling to Chinese investors a couple of years ago for a sweet profit...

Nothing was confirmed as recently as middle of this year. The gov was (until at least then, if not still) trying to use force to take control of the location for their traffic tunnel & the old clubs destiny was swinging back & forth like a see-saw between the gov & Chinese investors for a long time.  I think the Chinese investors might get their way with it, may have already, but only in recent months, not years ago. Having said that, don't tell Manly, we might be able to offer them a used harbour bridge as well, throw in boomerang man & anything else still laying around...

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Souths more professional than Bulldogs? That column aged well
ANDREW WEBSTER OCTOBER 06, 2018
A month ago, I wrote about the Bulldogs and how poorly they had handled their Mad Monday shenanigans, throwing a couple of drunk players under the bus and failing to take any action against senior staff, namely coach Dean Pay and team manager Gareth Holmes.

I also wrote about South Sydney and their new code of conduct, how they were hurtling towards a premiership at great speed, how they were a grown-up club and everything the Bulldogs were not.

“In just one week, Souths show Bulldogs how to be a professional footy club,” read the headline …

That column aged well, didn’t it?

In just one week, Souths players, including co-captain Sam Burgess, were implicated in a lewd video chat with a 23-year-old woman who complained to the club.

Then, earlier this week, co-captain Greg Inglis was charged with drink driving and speeding … on the same day he was announced as Kangaroos captain.

The inbox has been pinging with emails from angry Bulldogs fans ever since.

“You may have jinxed the Pride of League with their professionalism,” claimed one a few days ago. “Greg Inglis, drink driving and speeding. Your thoughts on this professional club now after the Sam Burgess issue sweeped [sic] under the carpet by all involved.”

Usually, I stop quality racehorses with a single bet. Turns out I can also jinx an entire football club with a single column.

With tail between my legs, let’s unpack some of this.

The initial $250,000 fine the NRL handed to the Bulldogs for their Mad Monday silliness was grossly excessive for an incident we wouldn’t have known about if a news organisation hadn’t strategically placed photographers with telephoto lenses outside a pub in The Rocks for eight hours.

Where the club lacked “professionalism” was that the loose behaviour of some of their players happened with coach Pay and manager Holmes watching on – at a function organised by the club. The NRL has repeatedly warned clubs about Mad Monday for several years.

In my view, the way Bulldogs chief executive Andrew Hill publicly admonished and then fined players Adam Elliott, Asipeli Fine, Marcelo Montoya and Zac Woolford was disgraceful.

The club then failed to say what sanctions, if any, had been taken against the senior staff in attendance.

It took some crowbar work, but this column finally got it out of the club that senior staff have fronted the board and been “sanctioned”. The club won’t make those details public because an employment contract is different to a playing contract.

Half of the Bulldogs fine was suspended after chairwoman Lynne Anderson pointed out the lack of consistency in the penalties handed out to other clubs for off-field misbehaviour.

She pointed out no action was taken against Burgess nor Souths for the lewd video chat that made its way into the public domain. The NRL says her claims had no bearing on them suspending $125,000 of their fine.

Was the Souths’ investigation swept under the carpet?

Souths set up a panel to investigate the claims, which is standard protocol. It included Karyn Murphy from the NRL’s integrity unit.

Murphy has shown many times that she’s someone who is thorough, credible and follows the letter of the law.

She interviewed the 23-year-old woman and was satisfied that Burgess and no other player had breached the code of conduct, despite the woman’s previous claims – via anonymous emails to the club and then to News Corp – that she was exposed to unwanted nudity.

Some aren’t satisfied with this. They wouldn’t be satisfied with a Royal Commission because it doesn’t suit their narrative.

In not sanctioning Souths or their players, the NRL sent a clear message: it will not judge the effect of a players’ actions on personal relationships.

But the damage to the game’s reputation is something altogether different and this is where the NRL’s excessive punishment of Mitchell Pearce for his Australia Day poodle antics two years ago has come back to bite it.

Regardless of whether the video chat between Souths players and the woman were consensual – which hasn’t been confirmed either way – there’s an argument that images of naked footballers leaking into the public domain is a horrible look for a game.

Pearce was fined $125,000 and suspended for eight matches for having silly simulated sex with a dog. Regardless of Pearce's history of off-field behaviour, does the Souths incident not fall into the same category?

The Rabbitohs and the NRL have countered this by claiming the images were illegally captured by screenshot and distributed without the players’ permission. That’s a matter for lawyers and the police.

But wasn't the video of Pearce taken and not only distributed but sold to Channel Nine’s A Current Affair without his knowledge or consent?

Pearce had the book thrown at him because of the damage he'd done to the “image of the game”. Because of the weirdness of the video, it went viral and was picked up by news organisations around the world.

That’s dangerous territory for the NRL. It means a player is partly sanctioned depending on the news values of others, as well as the news cycle.

What damage has been done to the “image of the game” because of Inglis’ drink-driving and speeding charges?

One of the game’s biggest names – who is the Queensland and Souths captain and, for a few hours, the Australian skipper – broke the law and it was front-page news.

Inglis has been stood down for two Test matches, which equates to $23,000 in match payments.

“Consistency is a theme which often comes up around these issues, but it’s important to be clear on what is meant by consistency," NRL chief operating officer Nick Weeks said. "Our rules and processes are consistent in each case, but that doesn’t mean the outcome is always the same. That only happens where you have the same set of facts in two matters, but that is almost never the case.”

Fair enough. The issues involved around this stuff are complex.

I stand by my initial column. The fundamental difference between the Bulldogs' and Souths' indiscretions is that senior staff were present in one case, not in the other



https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/souths-more-professional-than-bulldogs-that-column-aged-well-20181005-p507uw.html



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Is Andrew Webster related to Idiot Des?

That’s got to be one of his stupidest columns ever written!


So the fact that because Dean Pay was present at the Monday event, that makes the clubs management a shambles.... get stuffed!
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Villi - 6 Oct 2018 6:19 PM
Is Andrew Webster related to Idiot Des?That’s got to be one of his stupidest columns ever written!So the fact that because Dean Pay was present at the Monday event, that makes the clubs management a shambles.... get stuffed!

I'll say it again; greenburg, beattie, grant and co have done more to bring the game into disrepute than any player has this past couple of years...

#dismantletheARLC....
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Kamaryn - 6 Oct 2018 6:06 PM
Souths more professional than Bulldogs? That column aged well
ANDREW WEBSTER OCTOBER 06, 2018
A month ago, I wrote about the Bulldogs and how poorly they had handled their Mad Monday shenanigans, throwing a couple of drunk players under the bus and failing to take any action against senior staff, namely coach Dean Pay and team manager Gareth Holmes.

I also wrote about South Sydney and their new code of conduct, how they were hurtling towards a premiership at great speed, how they were a grown-up club and everything the Bulldogs were not.

“In just one week, Souths show Bulldogs how to be a professional footy club,” read the headline …

That column aged well, didn’t it?

In just one week, Souths players, including co-captain Sam Burgess, were implicated in a lewd video chat with a 23-year-old woman who complained to the club.

Then, earlier this week, co-captain Greg Inglis was charged with drink driving and speeding … on the same day he was announced as Kangaroos captain.

The inbox has been pinging with emails from angry Bulldogs fans ever since.

“You may have jinxed the Pride of League with their professionalism,” claimed one a few days ago. “Greg Inglis, drink driving and speeding. Your thoughts on this professional club now after the Sam Burgess issue sweeped [sic] under the carpet by all involved.”

Usually, I stop quality racehorses with a single bet. Turns out I can also jinx an entire football club with a single column.

With tail between my legs, let’s unpack some of this.

The initial $250,000 fine the NRL handed to the Bulldogs for their Mad Monday silliness was grossly excessive for an incident we wouldn’t have known about if a news organisation hadn’t strategically placed photographers with telephoto lenses outside a pub in The Rocks for eight hours.

Where the club lacked “professionalism” was that the loose behaviour of some of their players happened with coach Pay and manager Holmes watching on – at a function organised by the club. The NRL has repeatedly warned clubs about Mad Monday for several years.

In my view, the way Bulldogs chief executive Andrew Hill publicly admonished and then fined players Adam Elliott, Asipeli Fine, Marcelo Montoya and Zac Woolford was disgraceful.

The club then failed to say what sanctions, if any, had been taken against the senior staff in attendance.

It took some crowbar work, but this column finally got it out of the club that senior staff have fronted the board and been “sanctioned”. The club won’t make those details public because an employment contract is different to a playing contract.

Half of the Bulldogs fine was suspended after chairwoman Lynne Anderson pointed out the lack of consistency in the penalties handed out to other clubs for off-field misbehaviour.

She pointed out no action was taken against Burgess nor Souths for the lewd video chat that made its way into the public domain. The NRL says her claims had no bearing on them suspending $125,000 of their fine.

Was the Souths’ investigation swept under the carpet?

Souths set up a panel to investigate the claims, which is standard protocol. It included Karyn Murphy from the NRL’s integrity unit.

Murphy has shown many times that she’s someone who is thorough, credible and follows the letter of the law.

She interviewed the 23-year-old woman and was satisfied that Burgess and no other player had breached the code of conduct, despite the woman’s previous claims – via anonymous emails to the club and then to News Corp – that she was exposed to unwanted nudity.

Some aren’t satisfied with this. They wouldn’t be satisfied with a Royal Commission because it doesn’t suit their narrative.

In not sanctioning Souths or their players, the NRL sent a clear message: it will not judge the effect of a players’ actions on personal relationships.

But the damage to the game’s reputation is something altogether different and this is where the NRL’s excessive punishment of Mitchell Pearce for his Australia Day poodle antics two years ago has come back to bite it.

Regardless of whether the video chat between Souths players and the woman were consensual – which hasn’t been confirmed either way – there’s an argument that images of naked footballers leaking into the public domain is a horrible look for a game.

Pearce was fined $125,000 and suspended for eight matches for having silly simulated sex with a dog. Regardless of Pearce's history of off-field behaviour, does the Souths incident not fall into the same category?

The Rabbitohs and the NRL have countered this by claiming the images were illegally captured by screenshot and distributed without the players’ permission. That’s a matter for lawyers and the police.

But wasn't the video of Pearce taken and not only distributed but sold to Channel Nine’s A Current Affair without his knowledge or consent?

Pearce had the book thrown at him because of the damage he'd done to the “image of the game”. Because of the weirdness of the video, it went viral and was picked up by news organisations around the world.

That’s dangerous territory for the NRL. It means a player is partly sanctioned depending on the news values of others, as well as the news cycle.

What damage has been done to the “image of the game” because of Inglis’ drink-driving and speeding charges?

One of the game’s biggest names – who is the Queensland and Souths captain and, for a few hours, the Australian skipper – broke the law and it was front-page news.

Inglis has been stood down for two Test matches, which equates to $23,000 in match payments.

“Consistency is a theme which often comes up around these issues, but it’s important to be clear on what is meant by consistency," NRL chief operating officer Nick Weeks said. "Our rules and processes are consistent in each case, but that doesn’t mean the outcome is always the same. That only happens where you have the same set of facts in two matters, but that is almost never the case.”

Fair enough. The issues involved around this stuff are complex.

I stand by my initial column. The fundamental difference between the Bulldogs' and Souths' indiscretions is that senior staff were present in one case, not in the other



https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/souths-more-professional-than-bulldogs-that-column-aged-well-20181005-p507uw.html



Slow news week for the hacks... Easy answer rehash a dogs story, if you can't invent one...
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Seriously... How are these gutter dwellers; a mere level above the sewer that is social media... 

Can't believe this hack has to write an article to respond to a couple of emails...

No doubt Greenburg and co will have to fine the club for threatening fan behavior...
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NRL chief operating officer Nick Weeks said. "Our rules and processes are consistent in each case, but that doesn’t mean the outcome is always the same."

What a crock of hot shit... When was the last time anyone heard of a club panel being set up with integrity officers to investigate a complaint?

Thing with South's is, even if the complaint was bogus the real issue is they failed in their duty to inform the NRL (read swept under carpet) of a matter that would potentially bring the game into disrepute.






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Wasn't a fan of Smith, but Toddy boy could learn from this statement re tamou in 13 instead of having trotted out the crap he did...

NRL chief executive Dave Smith said the facts were not in dispute and the penalties reflect the seriousness of the offences."This is a high level, high risk, high penalty situation," Mr Smith said today."Drink driving puts lives at risk. Our players are well educated regarding alcohol management and there is no excuse for such behaviour"....

#sobravegreg...
#dismantletheARLC...
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Villi - 6 Oct 2018 6:19 PM
Is Andrew Webster related to Idiot Des?That’s got to be one of his stupidest columns ever written!So the fact that because Dean Pay was present at the Monday event, that makes the clubs management a shambles.... get stuffed!

Webster orginally though Souths were better than us because they had a whiteboard, he should have checked what was written on the whiteboard. 
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dman2018 - 6 Oct 2018 6:28 PM
Villi - 6 Oct 2018 6:19 PM

I'll say it again; greenburg, beattie, grant and co have done more to bring the game into disrepute than any player has this past couple of years...

#dismantletheARLC....

I'm buying it, bring back Kevin Humphries.
Gee there have been incompetents running the game for the last 20 years.
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dman2018 - 6 Oct 2018 6:32 PM
Kamaryn - 6 Oct 2018 6:06 PM

Slow news week for the hacks... Easy answer rehash a dogs story, if you can't invent one...

Let's face it and call a spade, a spade.
Inglis is aboriginal and that is why not much is said of it.

NRL wants to distance itself from ANY potential race card issues. There is no way they will act against Inglis.

Had it been a non indigenous player, they'd go to town on it. 
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Lets get back to Trump. Geez I can't believe this embarrassment is still there....some funny clips here :)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VTgwbGWfGQU

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Great work Beattie and co ensuring the PMs 13 vs PNG was accessible to the fans...
Apparently was able to be streamed on PNG Facebook page...

#beattie&comustgo...
#dismantletheARLC...
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I’m thinking we’ve still got a chance with snaring Segeyaro

Surely by now, cashed up Knights would have signed him by now if he really wanted to go there?


Would anyone be upset if we happened to move on contracted Lichaa & Fualalo before off-season training begins & we nail Segeyaro & Bevan French?


Renouf T has more skills & more impact than anything I’ve ever seen from 3yrs of Fualalo
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Villi - 7 Oct 2018 9:44 AM
I’m thinking we’ve still got a chance with snaring SegeyaroSurely by now, cashed up Knights would have signed him by now if he really wanted to go there?Would anyone be upset if we happened to move on contracted Lichaa & Fualalo before off-season training begins & we nail Segeyaro & Bevan French?Renouf T has more skills & more impact than anything I’ve ever seen from 3yrs of Fualalo

Playing French at FB or on the wing?...

Seggy over Lichaa is a no brained, I still can't believe he was given a two year contract extension...

As with all these things though it would require another club being interested in acquiring Danny and Lichaa; maybe Gold Coast, they seem to like other clubs duds...
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I'm not sold on French and indeed believe his best days are behind him at 22,

Why?

Well yes he has pace and plenty of it and some nice moves too, really nice. But FMD he gets pushed around, rag-dolled even. And teams have just figured that out and the higher the aggression applied to him in both A&D, the less effective he is. And do you think anyone's gonna start going soft on him?

He's 83kg's at 22, He's never gonna hit 90, not even close. And yes I known there's plenty of sub 90 players out there playing NRL even SOO and International - but they're tough b@stards.

Everything I've seen of Bevan French indicates when the going gets tough, he'll wait it out.



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Villi - 7 Oct 2018 9:44 AM
I’m thinking we’ve still got a chance with snaring SegeyaroSurely by now, cashed up Knights would have signed him by now if he really wanted to go there?Would anyone be upset if we happened to move on contracted Lichaa & Fualalo before off-season training begins & we nail Segeyaro & Bevan French?Renouf T has more skills & more impact than anything I’ve ever seen from 3yrs of Fualalo

Surely Rhys Martin has put a good word in th o Seggys ear in the PNG camp and has managed to sway him.

There is certainly some long term benefit to PNG if they can get 2 of their more well known players to train and play together in NRL. 

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Zef - 7 Oct 2018 10:36 AM
I'm not sold on French and indeed believe his best days are behind him at 22,

Why?

Well yes he has pace and plenty of it and some nice moves too, really nice. But FMD he gets pushed around, rag-dolled even. And teams have just figured that out and the higher the aggression applied to him in both A&D, the less effective he is. And do you think anyone's gonna start going soft on him?

He's 83kg's at 22, He's never gonna hit 90, not even close. And yes I known there's plenty of sub 90 players out there playing NRL even SOO and International - but they're tough b@stards.

Everything I've seen of Bevan French indicates when the going gets tough, he'll wait it out.



French has been one of Parra's better players last few seasons and has some x-factor. For a club like us which is dry when it comes to unearthing good outside backs, we'd be stupid to not make a play if the price isn't silly. 
I'm thinking max 300k per season. That's abit below the average with current SC. If we don't think a player like that is worth it, then we are obviously still wanting to waste money in other positions. 

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I think you’ll be surprised Zef that them points you highlighted about French were valid early on, but not recent.


He’s definitely got X Factor & can deliver up tries from nothing which is what we haven’t had in years..... and I think would compliment the guys we have here that are going forward


I’m not saying French is our bloody saviour, but as Marki said, if you can nail him on the cheap, why not offer him a 2yr deal?


I can see him & Lewis combining well together.... very well if they get an off-season together
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Villi - 7 Oct 2018 11:56 AM
I think you’ll be surprised Zef that them points you highlighted about French were valid early on, but not recent. 

There's something more recent than NRL Season '18?
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Villi - 7 Oct 2018 11:56 AM
I think you’ll be surprised Zef that them points you highlighted about French were valid early on, but not recent.He’s definitely got X Factor & can deliver up tries from nothing which is what we haven’t had in years..... and I think would compliment the guys we have here that are going forwardI’m not saying French is our bloody saviour, but as Marki said, if you can nail him on the cheap, why not offer him a 2yr deal?I can see him & Lewis combining well together.... very well if they get an off-season together

French has pace, and that always comes in handy.

If he is coming to us it is to play FB, and he is a better option than someone like Ben Barba.

Meaney is also a good prospect, and we have some good kids in the lower grades.

I have always thought Hoppa is too slow for FB, I honestly don't know where to play Hoppa.

Deano & Co will have a plan, I would not believe everything we read in the media.

I also don't think his efforts playing for a sometimes dysfunctional Parra team are the last word on French.


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Thanks to the Australian govt for producing yet another TV ad that infers all Australian men act in a violent manner towards women and train the sons to do the same... On behalf of my father, and grandfathers,  fvck off...
Interestingly the father in the ad looks a lot like Bill Shorten...
#mentoo...
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hounddog - 7 Oct 2018 12:09 PM
Villi - 7 Oct 2018 11:56 AM

French has pace, and that always comes in handy.

If he is coming to us it is to play FB, and he is a better option than someone like Ben Barba.

Meaney is also a good prospect, and we have some good kids in the lower grades.

I have always thought Hoppa is too slow for FB, I honestly don't know where to play Hoppa.

Deano & Co will have a plan, I would not believe everything we read in the media.

I also don't think his efforts playing for a sometimes dysfunctional Parra team are the last word on French.


The trouble with him at FB is kick returns. He drops the ball on impact, and if he hangs onto it he gets pushed back 10m.

He's an open field specialist and a good finisher. But seeing as those weakness's are just as exposed on a winger on kick returns I don't know where that puts him.
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HD.... Hoppa is destined for the forwards

He’s never to be put in the centres ever again
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Zef - 7 Oct 2018 12:14 PM
hounddog - 7 Oct 2018 12:09 PM

The trouble with him at FB is kick returns. He drops the ball on impact, and if he hangs onto it he gets pushed back 10m.

He's an open field specialist and a good finisher. But seeing as those weakness's are just as exposed on a winger on kick returns I don't know where that puts him.

Lots of smaller fullbacks do get pushed back, there are probably techniques he can work on, running fast, using footwork, going to ground.

I think there era of the small fast winger is just about over, as they have to stop the big fast winger one-on-one.

Meaney is a good prospect, French should not be offered an NRL FB spot, merely the chance to play for one. I'm happy to let these 2 duel for this position for the next few years, both are young enough to have a good career ahead of them.

Or perhaps it is all media BS and we are not even interested in French.

Hoppa to the bench/forwards makes a lot of sense to me, if he can;t fix up his defensive game in the centres.
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dman2018 - 7 Oct 2018 9:57 AM
Villi - 7 Oct 2018 9:44 AM

Playing French at FB or on the wing?...

Seggy over Lichaa is a no brained, I still can't believe he was given a two year contract extension...

As with all these things though it would require another club being interested in acquiring Danny and Lichaa; maybe Gold Coast, they seem to like other clubs duds...

I do regret Lichaa was given a 2 year extension...it should have been 3. Segeyaro had a couple good years for Penrith and he certainly didn't rise to the heights that some seem to think for the Sharks. Very suspect in defence and a bit more of a show pony than actual game breaker as some would erroneously indicate.

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