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+x+x+x Souths more professional than Bulldogs? That column aged well ANDREW WEBSTER OCTOBER 06, 2018 A month ago, I wrote about the Bulldogs and how poorly they had handled their Mad Monday shenanigans, throwing a couple of drunk players under the bus and failing to take any action against senior staff, namely coach Dean Pay and team manager Gareth Holmes. I also wrote about South Sydney and their new code of conduct, how they were hurtling towards a premiership at great speed, how they were a grown-up club and everything the Bulldogs were not. “In just one week, Souths show Bulldogs how to be a professional footy club,” read the headline … That column aged well, didn’t it? In just one week, Souths players, including co-captain Sam Burgess, were implicated in a lewd video chat with a 23-year-old woman who complained to the club. Then, earlier this week, co-captain Greg Inglis was charged with drink driving and speeding … on the same day he was announced as Kangaroos captain. The inbox has been pinging with emails from angry Bulldogs fans ever since. “You may have jinxed the Pride of League with their professionalism,” claimed one a few days ago. “Greg Inglis, drink driving and speeding. Your thoughts on this professional club now after the Sam Burgess issue sweeped [sic] under the carpet by all involved.” Usually, I stop quality racehorses with a single bet. Turns out I can also jinx an entire football club with a single column. With tail between my legs, let’s unpack some of this.
The initial $250,000 fine the NRL handed to the Bulldogs for their Mad Monday silliness was grossly excessive for an incident we wouldn’t have known about if a news organisation hadn’t strategically placed photographers with telephoto lenses outside a pub in The Rocks for eight hours. Where the club lacked “professionalism” was that the loose behaviour of some of their players happened with coach Pay and manager Holmes watching on – at a function organised by the club. The NRL has repeatedly warned clubs about Mad Monday for several years. In my view, the way Bulldogs chief executive Andrew Hill publicly admonished and then fined players Adam Elliott, Asipeli Fine, Marcelo Montoya and Zac Woolford was disgraceful. The club then failed to say what sanctions, if any, had been taken against the senior staff in attendance. It took some crowbar work, but this column finally got it out of the club that senior staff have fronted the board and been “sanctioned”. The club won’t make those details public because an employment contract is different to a playing contract. Half of the Bulldogs fine was suspended after chairwoman Lynne Anderson pointed out the lack of consistency in the penalties handed out to other clubs for off-field misbehaviour. She pointed out no action was taken against Burgess nor Souths for the lewd video chat that made its way into the public domain. The NRL says her claims had no bearing on them suspending $125,000 of their fine. Was the Souths’ investigation swept under the carpet? Souths set up a panel to investigate the claims, which is standard protocol. It included Karyn Murphy from the NRL’s integrity unit. Murphy has shown many times that she’s someone who is thorough, credible and follows the letter of the law. She interviewed the 23-year-old woman and was satisfied that Burgess and no other player had breached the code of conduct, despite the woman’s previous claims – via anonymous emails to the club and then to News Corp – that she was exposed to unwanted nudity. Some aren’t satisfied with this. They wouldn’t be satisfied with a Royal Commission because it doesn’t suit their narrative. In not sanctioning Souths or their players, the NRL sent a clear message: it will not judge the effect of a players’ actions on personal relationships. But the damage to the game’s reputation is something altogether different and this is where the NRL’s excessive punishment of Mitchell Pearce for his Australia Day poodle antics two years ago has come back to bite it. Regardless of whether the video chat between Souths players and the woman were consensual – which hasn’t been confirmed either way – there’s an argument that images of naked footballers leaking into the public domain is a horrible look for a game. Pearce was fined $125,000 and suspended for eight matches for having silly simulated sex with a dog. Regardless of Pearce's history of off-field behaviour, does the Souths incident not fall into the same category? The Rabbitohs and the NRL have countered this by claiming the images were illegally captured by screenshot and distributed without the players’ permission. That’s a matter for lawyers and the police. But wasn't the video of Pearce taken and not only distributed but sold to Channel Nine’s A Current Affair without his knowledge or consent? Pearce had the book thrown at him because of the damage he'd done to the “image of the game”. Because of the weirdness of the video, it went viral and was picked up by news organisations around the world. That’s dangerous territory for the NRL. It means a player is partly sanctioned depending on the news values of others, as well as the news cycle. What damage has been done to the “image of the game” because of Inglis’ drink-driving and speeding charges? One of the game’s biggest names – who is the Queensland and Souths captain and, for a few hours, the Australian skipper – broke the law and it was front-page news. Inglis has been stood down for two Test matches, which equates to $23,000 in match payments. “Consistency is a theme which often comes up around these issues, but it’s important to be clear on what is meant by consistency," NRL chief operating officer Nick Weeks said. "Our rules and processes are consistent in each case, but that doesn’t mean the outcome is always the same. That only happens where you have the same set of facts in two matters, but that is almost never the case.” Fair enough. The issues involved around this stuff are complex. I stand by my initial column. The fundamental difference between the Bulldogs' and Souths' indiscretions is that senior staff were present in one case, not in the other https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/souths-more-professional-than-bulldogs-that-column-aged-well-20181005-p507uw.html Slow news week for the hacks... Easy answer rehash a dogs story, if you can't invent one... Let's face it and call a spade, a spade. Inglis is aboriginal and that is why not much is said of it. NRL wants to distance itself from ANY potential race card issues. There is no way they will act against Inglis. Had it been a non indigenous player, they'd go to town on it. Well Elliott is also an indigenous player but certainly less so than Inglis.
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+x+x+xI’m thinking we’ve still got a chance with snaring SegeyaroSurely by now, cashed up Knights would have signed him by now if he really wanted to go there?Would anyone be upset if we happened to move on contracted Lichaa & Fualalo before off-season training begins & we nail Segeyaro & Bevan French?Renouf T has more skills & more impact than anything I’ve ever seen from 3yrs of Fualalo Playing French at FB or on the wing?... Seggy over Lichaa is a no brained, I still can't believe he was given a two year contract extension... As with all these things though it would require another club being interested in acquiring Danny and Lichaa; maybe Gold Coast, they seem to like other clubs duds... I do regret Lichaa was given a 2 year extension...it should have been 3. Expecting rounds 24 and 25 of season 2020 to be his career defining moment eh???...
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You’ve continued to stick solid by Lichaa there Steve...
I’m sure once you see a quality No9 that’ll add another few dimensions to our team & attack, you’ll jump off the Lichaa bandwagon
Anyway...... did anyone just witness the end of the Khabib fight??
It was like watching Dman’s gig at Gymea RSL
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+x+x+x+x Souths more professional than Bulldogs? That column aged well ANDREW WEBSTER OCTOBER 06, 2018 A month ago, I wrote about the Bulldogs and how poorly they had handled their Mad Monday shenanigans, throwing a couple of drunk players under the bus and failing to take any action against senior staff, namely coach Dean Pay and team manager Gareth Holmes. I also wrote about South Sydney and their new code of conduct, how they were hurtling towards a premiership at great speed, how they were a grown-up club and everything the Bulldogs were not. “In just one week, Souths show Bulldogs how to be a professional footy club,” read the headline … That column aged well, didn’t it? In just one week, Souths players, including co-captain Sam Burgess, were implicated in a lewd video chat with a 23-year-old woman who complained to the club. Then, earlier this week, co-captain Greg Inglis was charged with drink driving and speeding … on the same day he was announced as Kangaroos captain. The inbox has been pinging with emails from angry Bulldogs fans ever since. “You may have jinxed the Pride of League with their professionalism,” claimed one a few days ago. “Greg Inglis, drink driving and speeding. Your thoughts on this professional club now after the Sam Burgess issue sweeped [sic] under the carpet by all involved.” Usually, I stop quality racehorses with a single bet. Turns out I can also jinx an entire football club with a single column. With tail between my legs, let’s unpack some of this.
The initial $250,000 fine the NRL handed to the Bulldogs for their Mad Monday silliness was grossly excessive for an incident we wouldn’t have known about if a news organisation hadn’t strategically placed photographers with telephoto lenses outside a pub in The Rocks for eight hours. Where the club lacked “professionalism” was that the loose behaviour of some of their players happened with coach Pay and manager Holmes watching on – at a function organised by the club. The NRL has repeatedly warned clubs about Mad Monday for several years. In my view, the way Bulldogs chief executive Andrew Hill publicly admonished and then fined players Adam Elliott, Asipeli Fine, Marcelo Montoya and Zac Woolford was disgraceful. The club then failed to say what sanctions, if any, had been taken against the senior staff in attendance. It took some crowbar work, but this column finally got it out of the club that senior staff have fronted the board and been “sanctioned”. The club won’t make those details public because an employment contract is different to a playing contract. Half of the Bulldogs fine was suspended after chairwoman Lynne Anderson pointed out the lack of consistency in the penalties handed out to other clubs for off-field misbehaviour. She pointed out no action was taken against Burgess nor Souths for the lewd video chat that made its way into the public domain. The NRL says her claims had no bearing on them suspending $125,000 of their fine. Was the Souths’ investigation swept under the carpet? Souths set up a panel to investigate the claims, which is standard protocol. It included Karyn Murphy from the NRL’s integrity unit. Murphy has shown many times that she’s someone who is thorough, credible and follows the letter of the law. She interviewed the 23-year-old woman and was satisfied that Burgess and no other player had breached the code of conduct, despite the woman’s previous claims – via anonymous emails to the club and then to News Corp – that she was exposed to unwanted nudity. Some aren’t satisfied with this. They wouldn’t be satisfied with a Royal Commission because it doesn’t suit their narrative. In not sanctioning Souths or their players, the NRL sent a clear message: it will not judge the effect of a players’ actions on personal relationships. But the damage to the game’s reputation is something altogether different and this is where the NRL’s excessive punishment of Mitchell Pearce for his Australia Day poodle antics two years ago has come back to bite it. Regardless of whether the video chat between Souths players and the woman were consensual – which hasn’t been confirmed either way – there’s an argument that images of naked footballers leaking into the public domain is a horrible look for a game. Pearce was fined $125,000 and suspended for eight matches for having silly simulated sex with a dog. Regardless of Pearce's history of off-field behaviour, does the Souths incident not fall into the same category? The Rabbitohs and the NRL have countered this by claiming the images were illegally captured by screenshot and distributed without the players’ permission. That’s a matter for lawyers and the police. But wasn't the video of Pearce taken and not only distributed but sold to Channel Nine’s A Current Affair without his knowledge or consent? Pearce had the book thrown at him because of the damage he'd done to the “image of the game”. Because of the weirdness of the video, it went viral and was picked up by news organisations around the world. That’s dangerous territory for the NRL. It means a player is partly sanctioned depending on the news values of others, as well as the news cycle. What damage has been done to the “image of the game” because of Inglis’ drink-driving and speeding charges? One of the game’s biggest names – who is the Queensland and Souths captain and, for a few hours, the Australian skipper – broke the law and it was front-page news. Inglis has been stood down for two Test matches, which equates to $23,000 in match payments. “Consistency is a theme which often comes up around these issues, but it’s important to be clear on what is meant by consistency," NRL chief operating officer Nick Weeks said. "Our rules and processes are consistent in each case, but that doesn’t mean the outcome is always the same. That only happens where you have the same set of facts in two matters, but that is almost never the case.” Fair enough. The issues involved around this stuff are complex. I stand by my initial column. The fundamental difference between the Bulldogs' and Souths' indiscretions is that senior staff were present in one case, not in the other https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/souths-more-professional-than-bulldogs-that-column-aged-well-20181005-p507uw.html Slow news week for the hacks... Easy answer rehash a dogs story, if you can't invent one... Let's face it and call a spade, a spade. Inglis is aboriginal and that is why not much is said of it. NRL wants to distance itself from ANY potential race card issues. There is no way they will act against Inglis. Had it been a non indigenous player, they'd go to town on it. Well Elliott is also an indigenous player but certainly less so than Inglis. Really? Well in that case our club erred in their response to the NRL. Our letter should have simply said, "our players were performing an indigenous tribal dance at the time the DT photographers took their snaps, one that required the players to strip down and use whatever means available to them as utensils". It should have then gone on the front foot and say "the DT disrespected the players' ancestral tribes and sent back the Reconciliation process by 2 decades. A full public apology would be expected and the DT should donate 125k to Indigenous programs" Failing that, they should have just warned the NRL they will go to A Current Affair and expose this racism
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+x+x+x+xI’m thinking we’ve still got a chance with snaring SegeyaroSurely by now, cashed up Knights would have signed him by now if he really wanted to go there?Would anyone be upset if we happened to move on contracted Lichaa & Fualalo before off-season training begins & we nail Segeyaro & Bevan French?Renouf T has more skills & more impact than anything I’ve ever seen from 3yrs of Fualalo Playing French at FB or on the wing?... Seggy over Lichaa is a no brained, I still can't believe he was given a two year contract extension... As with all these things though it would require another club being interested in acquiring Danny and Lichaa; maybe Gold Coast, they seem to like other clubs duds... I do regret Lichaa was given a 2 year extension...it should have been 3. Expecting rounds 24 and 25 of season 2020 to be his career defining moment eh???... Which career is that? Coz it certainly wont be rugby league!!!
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Like most hyped up main event fights they turn out to be a fizzer. Happy to see the after fight action with the Khabib Harveynormangorbachev and McGregor
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I thought it was a good fight Slink.... your comrade absolutely dominated McGregor
Then to see all of Putin’s sidekicks jump into the ring & punch on with McGregor was exciting to watch... only in America
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+xI thought it was a good fight Slink.... your comrade absolutely dominated McGregor Then to see all of Putin’s sidekicks jump into the ring & punch on with McGregor was exciting to watch... only in America UFC. Forgive me, but I'd rather watch repeats of Easts win the premiership...
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+x+xI thought it was a good fight Slink.... your comrade absolutely dominated McGregor Then to see all of Putin’s sidekicks jump into the ring & punch on with McGregor was exciting to watch... only in America UFC. Forgive me, but I'd rather watch repeats of Easts win the premiership... Or neither. I would rather watch the Sound of Music in perferance to both, and I hate that movie. Actually I'ld go watch Dman play live, how bad could that be?
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+x+x+xI thought it was a good fight Slink.... your comrade absolutely dominated McGregor Then to see all of Putin’s sidekicks jump into the ring & punch on with McGregor was exciting to watch... only in America UFC. Forgive me, but I'd rather watch repeats of Easts win the premiership... Or neither. I would rather watch the Sound of Music in perferance to both, and I hate that movie. Actually I'ld go watch Dman play live, how bad could that be? You're more than welcome however this months setlist includes several renditions of hits from the sound of music... When the dog bites when the bee stings when I'm feeling sad...
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+x+x+x+xI thought it was a good fight Slink.... your comrade absolutely dominated McGregor Then to see all of Putin’s sidekicks jump into the ring & punch on with McGregor was exciting to watch... only in America UFC. Forgive me, but I'd rather watch repeats of Easts win the premiership... Or neither. I would rather watch the Sound of Music in perferance to both, and I hate that movie. Actually I'ld go watch Dman play live, how bad could that be? You're more than welcome however this months setlist includes several renditions of hits from the sound of music... When the dog bites when the bee stings when I'm feeling sad... Damn, I'll cut the grass with nail sissors instead.
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+x+x+x+x+xI thought it was a good fight Slink.... your comrade absolutely dominated McGregor Then to see all of Putin’s sidekicks jump into the ring & punch on with McGregor was exciting to watch... only in America UFC. Forgive me, but I'd rather watch repeats of Easts win the premiership... Or neither. I would rather watch the Sound of Music in perferance to both, and I hate that movie. Actually I'ld go watch Dman play live, how bad could that be? You're more than welcome however this months setlist includes several renditions of hits from the sound of music... When the dog bites when the bee stings when I'm feeling sad... Damn, I'll cut the grass with nail sissors instead. If you wouldn't mind pruning the edelweiss while your at it...
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Villi
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Hahaha Douglas....
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This from fox sports, full story in terrorcrap which I don't need to read cos I've seen enough already...
Beattie revealed plans to double punishments for salary cap cheats, improve pathways for participation with a focus on women’s league and touch football, more consistently address poor player behaviour, and expand the sport across the country and the Pacific region
Bwahahaha... Double $C punishments???? Fix TPAs you jokers!!!... Plus double nothing is nothing for roosters and broncs...
Pathways???.... You fools killed the traditional pathways to our game... I enjoy watching the ladies play, but touch football is not of interest....
Expand across Australia and pacific region... Where's the money gonna come from?.. you guys will be in at least 20 million debt by end of this TV agreement...
Keep retired politicians away from sport!!!... #dismantletheARLC... #beattie&comustgo....
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Vote 1 Dman
Keep them b@stards honest...
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+xThis from fox sports, full story in terrorcrap which I don't need to read cos I've seen enough already... Beattie revealed plans to double punishments for salary cap cheats, improve pathways for participation with a focus on women’s league and touch football, more consistently address poor player behaviour, and expand the sport across the country and the Pacific region Bwahahaha... Double $C punishments???? Fix TPAs you jokers!!!... Plus double nothing is nothing for roosters and broncs... Pathways???.... You fools killed the traditional pathways to our game... I enjoy watching the ladies play, but touch football is not of interest.... Expand across Australia and pacific region... Where's the money gonna come from?.. you guys will be in at least 20 million debt by end of this TV agreement... Keep retired politicians away from sport!!!... #dismantletheARLC... #beattie&comustgo.... Sports like touch are great to play, but not great to watch. There are a few sports like that. But overall ... Vote 1 Dman for PM and head of the NRL #RelocateRoostersToBurnie
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I agree with pi$$ing Beattie off. Politicians have absolutely no place in sport. As soon as he was announced as being associated with the NRL I knew it was doomed. On his way out the door, he can grab that other buffoon Greenberg and take him with him.
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+xI agree with pi$$ing Beattie off. Politicians have absolutely no place in sport. As soon as he was announced as being associated with the NRL I knew it was doomed. On his way out the door, he can grab that other buffoon Greenberg and take him with him. Beattie is the most glib (or is it glibbest) politician I can think of (and isn't there a lot to choose from)...he is never short of anything to say but does he really mean what he says or have any passion in relation thereto. Couple this with the unbridled self interest of Greenberg and you know why NRL is in the potty.
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More from the super genius with no idea about rugby league, its tradition, or its fan base..
On Expansion: “It’s a lot harder than I first thought,” Beattie said. “It’s one of the reasons why I’m pushing so hard in other areas. We can’t be landlocked in two states."
Can't count to 3 and is in charge of the game!!!!!!!....
#dismantlethe ARLC.. #beattie&comustgo....
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+xMore from the super genius with no idea about rugby league, its tradition, or its fan base.. On Expansion:“It’s a lot harder than I first thought,” Beattie said. “It’s one of the reasons why I’m pushing so hard in other areas. We can’t be landlocked in two states."
Can't count to 3 and is in charge of the game!!!!!!!....
#dismantlethe ARLC.. #beattie&comustgo.... Not to mention a territory and a whole other country you complete nonce!!!!.. #beattie&comustgo.... #dismantletheARLC....
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2 days ago... NRL chief operating officer Nick Weeks said. "Our rules and processes are consistent in each case, but that doesn’t mean the outcome is always the same."
Beattie today... “If you have a rough criteria then no one will be surprised and, more to the point, no one will have excuses. “If we can’t have consistency and regulation of these sorts of behaviour, we won’t have a game.”
Do these jokers even talk to each other....
Can't even send a consistent message..
#beattie&comustgo....
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+x+xMore from the super genius with no idea about rugby league, its tradition, or its fan base.. On Expansion:“It’s a lot harder than I first thought,” Beattie said. “It’s one of the reasons why I’m pushing so hard in other areas. We can’t be landlocked in two states."
Can't count to 3 and is in charge of the game!!!!!!!....
#dismantlethe ARLC.. #beattie&comustgo.... 2 days ago... NRL chief operating officer Nick Weeks said. "Our rules and processes are consistent in each case, but that doesn’t mean the outcome is always the same." Beattie today... “If you have a rough criteria then no one will be surprised and, more to the point, no one will have excuses. “If we can’t have consistency and regulation of these sorts of behaviour, we won’t have a game.” Do these jokers even talk to each other.... Can't even send a consistent message. Honest answer, the outcome depends heavily on the club/player involved.
Vote 1 - Dman.
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Hey Dman...
Will you have the usual Bus with your Election Promises slogans all over it or are you doing something different this time around?
Vote 1 Dman
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+xHey Dman...Will you have the usual Bus with your Election Promises slogans all over it or are you doing something different this time around?Vote 1 Dman If a reasonable candidate presents Ill be content working in the background like I did with the club board elections... Hillary should have enlisted me when she had her chance...
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+x+xHey Dman...Will you have the usual Bus with your Election Promises slogans all over it or are you doing something different this time around?Vote 1 Dman If a reasonable candidate presents Ill be content working in the background like I did with the club board elections... Hillary should have enlisted me when she had her chance... Dman - Putin suggested you might need some help, I suggested he comes to a gig, and buys you a beer afterwards. I know you are desperate for a bigger audience, and the free beer is a bonus.
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That is the thing with Jacko, no one noticed him playing injured. We should have better depth in 2019, so hopefully we can ease him back in.
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I was wondering why the hell would anyone select him at this stage of his career, but then you think about the injuries and where we were going and maybe not so mad...
Peter Siddle on an absolute road in a desert: 20-10-27-2
for comparison Mitch Starc who has not bowled badly either on this flat as a flat track: 26-9-68-0
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+xThat is the thing with Jacko, no one noticed him playing injured. We should have better depth in 2019, so hopefully we can ease him back in. All the clubs have to be careful now. Too many players argue that there's nothing wrong with them & insist they're alright to be on the field. James Graham is another one that springs to mind.
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+xI was wondering why the hell would anyone select him at this stage of his career, but then you think about the injuries and where we were going and maybe not so mad... Peter Siddle on an absolute road in a desert: 20-10-27-2 for comparison Mitch Starc who has not bowled badly either on this flat as a flat track: 26-9-68-0 I'm sure Siddle went to school with my Granddad, good effort from the old bloke. The game looks set up to be a high scoring draw, or Aussie vulnerability against spin will see us get flogged. I get the impression we don't quite have the cattle, Australian cricket 2018-2020, is like the Dogs 2018, they need to find the equivalent of Lewis, Martin, Ogden & Smith to start to climb the ladder. Four is about the right number, you never know what talented kids are around. I still have the impression the problem is coaching at state and grade level, or too much easy money in 20/20. But the upside is I'll be pleasantly surprised if we win a lot of games.
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